#gnc cis

[transmascpolls]

This is a poll on perceptions and assumptions of transmasculinity open to people of all genders. Do people around you tend to assume you’re transmasculine? Feel free to share relevant experiences in the notes.

[juney-blues]

there is, famously, a huge amount of social pressure on gnc cis people to transition. society just wants more trans people, trans women especially. this is a real and serious problem. there are just too many trans women making egg jokes. we have to protect the poor cis people from being compared to us (which is clearly and self evidently a horrible thing to do clearly)

[project-sekai-facts]

i'm curious why you feel confident in saying that mizuki was trans, it feels like the story itself only explicitly stated that she's amab - i would really like for it to be confirmed but it feels a bit like jumping the gun

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but considering how uncomfortable Mizuki is with classmates calling her a boy, and how she's gone out of her way to not have N25 know this, and how she reacted to Ena being asked "If you're friends with Mizuki, are you [a cis girl] a boy too?", idk man I think I can jump the gun.

Plus everything in the trans Mizuki post. The blatant use of the trans flag colors, people calling younger Mizuki "weird" and asking "isn't it odd for you to wear that" when she goes into school in typically girly clothes for the first time, Mizuki having short hair and boys clothes in middle school but long hair and girls clothes in high school, her sister encouraging her to stop repressing and live her life on her own terms.

Like. This is Mizuki's reaction to classmates telling Ena that Mizuki is a guy. It's the fact they asked a cis girl if she was a boy to try and justify why she was friends with Mizuki. Like there's some sort of implication there that they think Mizuki is pretending to be a girl. Yeah sure maybe they'll turn around and say Mizuki is a crossdresser despite everything, but Mizuki being told "isn't it weird for you to dress [like a girl]", "it's just for attention" "it's just a phase". It resonates so much with the trans experience, these are word for word things that trans people hear, and then you can couple that with clpl saying they aim to portray their character's struggles realistically.

Like. Let's get this straight. The boys who ask Ena if "[she's] a guy too" are presumably the same ones who have been showing up in the story since the beginning, being portrayed as bullies. Them calling Mizuki a boy, and making fun of her for dressing in a feminine way, is presented as bullying. Going off that translation doc since sekaibest still doesn't have the script, they follow up that scene by saying that Ena is a "normal girl". Normal is the key word here. Ena is a "normal" (cis) girl to them which implies they view Mizuki as an "abnormal girl" (trans girl), or they outright just call her a guy. Yikes.

Again. Mizuki's reaction to the bullying speaks volumes. Mizuki had gone through such lengths to hide this from her friends. It feels way too much for them to just say she's a gnc cis boy at the end of it. Listen, if gender wasn't related here, she wouldn't have nearly this much issue with her friend being told she's a gender the story has repeatedly proven that she doesn't want to identify as and have other people identify her with. Simply from the perspective of a screenwriter.

...also mizuki is literally grouped as a girl for gameplay purposes and always has been? And ensekai at least at launch made the executive decision to use she/her for Mizuki.

But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[sualne]

your body isn't your own

[gnc-culture-is]

Being gender non conforming and cis doesn’t mean somebody is a trans egg AND also they are not a traitor to their previous identity if they end up being one.

Being gender non conforming and trans doesn’t mean somebody is about to detransition AND they are not a traitor if they end up detransitioning.

Being a man and a woman or any other kind of multigender is not a contradictory state of being, likewise. Being isogender or cistrans is a fine thing to be and I love you.

Throw off the shackles that suggest you must be one or the other and that transformation of any kind is a betrayal of how you once were.

[lesbianb]

disabled butches who aren't physically strong, who need help from caretakers, who use mobility aids, wear medical braces, etc... you're wonderful butches just as you are, and don't need to prove yourself to anyone

[marzipanandminutiae]

I have a question, where would gnc/trans people get their clotges in the days before the selling of premade clothes? I assume some was stealing from relatives, and that soem of them did know how to make clothes, but that doesn't seem at all likely to be the most common method

That is an amazing question!

Unfortunately for a lot of people, we don't really know- many trans folks flew under the radar and as such details of their lives are unclear. Legendary stagecoach driver Charley Parkhurst, for example, left no sort of record as to where he got his clothes (especially since he lived in a cabin in the middle of nowhere for many years of his life). And figures like Mary Jones, a Black trans sex worker from the early 19th century, flit into and out of the pages of history so quickly that there's barely enough info to get their vital statistics, let alone shopping habits.

However, my guesses would be as follows:

Secondhand shops. These have existed for a very long time, and if you already have at least one outfit that makes you read as the correct gender, nobody would question you going through that section of the store/market/whatever.

Sympathetic conventional tailors or dressmakers. This is almost certainly where middle- and upper-class GNC or trans people got their clothing- one can hardly imagine legendary writer George Sand buying her suits secondhand, after all. And since humans have always been human, and Let People Dress How They Please; They Aren't Hurting Anyone is a sentiment I've seen at least as far back as the 19th century, I suspect there were far more of these than many people might think.

Clothing workshops catering to the demimonde- that is, to theatrical companies for costumes, or to sex workers. Certainly this is where drag performers got their stage gear, and one imagines people for whom gender variance crossed the line from performance to identity- like Fanny Park and Stella Boulton -might have turned to their costumers for everyday attire, too. And catering to sex workers probably got all sorts of requests that were seen as outre for the time (in a roleplay capacity- most sex workers dressed conventionally while not actively Doing Sex), but their money was as good as anyone else's.

Friends and relatives. Some families knowingly supported their crossdressing or trans loved ones. Even partners who married the person in question as the binary opposite gender could fall into this category- Lili Elbe (though she lived after premade dresses began to rise in popularity) first experimented with feminine attire in dresses and jewelry loaned by her enthusiastically supportive wife Gerta Gottlieb. In fact, Gottlieb was bisexual, and their marriage was only annulled because Lili was a woman now and same-gender marriage was illegal in Denmark at the time.

Also yes stealing from your relatives was also an option, of course. if they were less than sympathetic

The king of France???? this is the wildcard, and my absolute favorite: the Chevaliere d'Eon, when she transitioned in the 1770s, got the king to not only formally state that she had been assigned female at birth (there had been speculation about her physical sex for years at this point) but to pay for her new wardrobe of gowns. Absolute Queen.

"but didn't her mantua-makers notice Some Physical Things?" she's believed to have had some form of gynecomastia, based on her autopsy, and they'd never have cause to see her in less than her calf-length chemise. if they did see anything, they kept their mouths shut, and rightly so.

[david-goldrock]

Since this is tumblr, I just wanna check

Please reblog to enlarge the sample size

[apas-95]

'transmisogyny is the intersection between the axes of misogyny and transphobia, the specific oppression applied to trans people who are also women, composite of those social systems of repression directed against those two groups separately, but also possessing unique character greater than the sum of its parts' vs 'transmisogyny is a vague ideological miasma, that aren't we really *all* victims of? how are cis people and men in the intersection of transphobia and misogyny? no clue. and really aren't some white men victims of misogynoir too?'

[wavesalwayscrash]

3/4ths of the trans cats in wac r yellow....

gender is stored in the Yellow

what are you talking about......Warbler's yellow too.....How could you exclude her like that....

[gideonisms]

It's crazy how much people still don't understand that you can be a woman and wear masculine clothing or have a short and practical hairstyle. I really feel like even though most people even here in texas understand that a person can be gay or a lesbian, we haven't at all made progress in accepting that people can dress how they want regardless of their gender

[justdavina]

Stunning transgender goddess! She's absolutely perfect! I LOVE her so much!

[mukuberry]

How can you say things like "forcemasc is stupid because masculinity is seen as inherently good" and not realise that you know absolutely nothing about the transmasc experience. Do you hear yourselves

[t4tails]

"i dont think anybody has considered this character is (thing they explicitly are in canon) instead of (marginalized identity that makes me uncomfortable)"

[from-ib-to-asshai]

controversial take and i in no way wanna take away from queer brienne headcanons, but i think its actually kinda cool and good if brienne is straight and cis. i think it's important that we have masculine women characters that are straight as well as queer mascline women characters because that is real life baby!! the same way you can't look at every feminine man and call him gay for that either, because thats not how sexuality works at all.

i think there is that correlation tho due to the fact that queer people are usually more willing and open to gnc presentation due to already being, you know, gnc to begin with, but i always wonder how many more non-queer identifying people we would see presenting more openly as gnc if we stopped trying to correlate the two things (i see a lot of jokes about it on tiktok by queer people that kinda pisses me off)

anyways, back to the babygirl at hand: a worse writer would have written brienne to be cold, hard and masculine on the outside, and then having a soft, feminine inside hidden away (which is also honestly what i first thought of he was going for when reading her first few mentions) but she just straight up is not that. her "masculine" associated traits of her strength, her honor and bravery segway flawlessly into her "feminine" associated traits of being caring, kind and gentle. they coexist on the same level because these aren't masculine or feminine traits, these are just straight up her traits. it has little relevance to her how these traits are sided up since she is so strongly led by her sense of what is right. to live the life she wants to she had to give those notions up; to become her true self she had to give those up.

brienne is not feminine "in spite" of her masculine presentation, nor is she masculine "despite" her femininity: she is brienne and a fantastic human being in spite and despite the feminity and masculinity everyone else tries to force her to be, or percieves her as.

sozs if this is very rambly and not quite coherent

[gnc-culture-is]

You don’t have to transition to present how you want.

You can transition if you want, god knows I am in no place to deny people that right, but you do not have to transition to present how you want.

The right people will respect you regardless.

This is about being trans and gnc but the same applies for other modalities: not wanting to transition or just not being trans doesn’t make you Less gnc. It just makes you cis or iso or ipso.