#fuck tim drake all my homies hate tim drake

[nenehyuuchiha]

Tim Drake is DC Taylor Swift

[im-a-lil-bitch-boi]

EDIT: after bein explaimed to the affects lobotomy can have on someone, ill have to amend this post by sayin i would not lobotomize the joker. i would srill do SMTH, jus not like. . . this. makin this edit as i still agree w alot here aside from the lobotomy and vegetable comment(which have neen explained to me as ableist). also another reason for this edit is so others can see this w out me havin to take this down but also so i dont have to do major edits whilst half asleep 👍

ngl of i was Batman i woulda lobotomized the joker i,f he kill my son. fuck him, and fuck Superman! that mfer aint finna srop me

Supes: u cant kill the joker

me: ik that y ima lobotomize him, he killed my son. u think ima let him get away w that?

tbh i woulda lobotomized him the 2nd time he commited mass murder ngl, i ain fuckin round w thqt shit. Barbaras not gonna become disabled bc of him, Tim aint gonna become joker jr, amd Jason sure as hell aint finna die bc the jokers gonna become a fuckin vegetable when Dick is still Robin

ALSO i woulda gotten therapy the moment i realized i was fuckin up Dicks n i's relationship. i woulda offered him to join me in some family therapy n not do wut emotionally constipated Bruce "I am Vengence" Wayne did tf

[timblrdrake]

Who's Catalina? I heard ya on tha phone with bernie

oh. you weren’t supposed to hear that.. it’s not my place to say

she’s…

she’s a terrible person and she hurt your dad.

[shamelesstragedyenjoyer]

Chat, Euphoria (2024) by Kendrik Lamar is SO Jason Todd's and Duke Thomas's diss track to Tim Drake. Litteraly get a load of this;

The very first time I shot me a Drake, the homies had told me to aim it this way I didn't point down enough, today, I'll show you I learned from those mistakes.

Let me say I'm your biggest hater

I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, I hate the way that you dress

We hate the bitches you fuck, 'cause they confuse themselves with real women

And notice, I said "we," it's not just me, I'm what the culture feelin'

When I see you stand by Sexyy Red, I believe you see two bad bitches You don't even like women, it's real competition, you might pop ass with 'em

Have you ever walked your enemy down, like, with a poker face? Have you ever paid five hundred thou' ,like, to an open case? Well, I have [...] you just want the praise I hate when a bitch talks about guns, then somebody die They turn into nuns, then hop online, like "Pray for my city"

I'm knowin' they call you The Boy, wonder where is the man? 'Cause I ain't seen him yet. Matter fact, I ain't even bleed him yet, can I bleed him? Bet

I like Drake with the melodies, I don't like Drake when he act tough You gon' make a nigga bring back Puff, let me see if Chubbs really crash somethin' My first one's like my last one, it's a classic, you don't have one Let your core audience stomach that, then tell 'em where you get your abs from V12, it's a fast one, baow-baow-baow, last one Headshot for the year, you better walk around like Daft Punk

The crown is heavy I pray they my real friends, if not, I'm YNW Melly I don't like you poppin' shit at Big Red, for him, I inherit the beef Yeah, fuck all that pushin' P, let me see you push a T You better off spinnin' again on him, you think about pushin' ME

[oneofgothamsinsane]

I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH TIM-

I know his addiction first hand. He sat next to me throughout all of highschool, middleschool, and college.

He at least sleeps through free periods and english. He can tell me the date if I ask. He can tell you what month it is. I have an amazing feeling that you cannot.

Go. To. Sleep.

BMHC members, we meet on Tuesday next week at the BatBurger on Main.

We will be plotting pranks against the Furry, Exp; Stealing loose batarangs, hijacking the batmobile, and and turning Red Robin(YUM) to the dark side.

@super-powerd-gothamight

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Choice

by The_4am_Writer Jason was tired of feeling like a second choice after another fight with Bruce leads him directly into Joker's hands and leaves him bloody and broken the Batfamily and outlaws need to convince Jason that they really do love and care about him Words: 3569, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Characters: Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Duke Thomas, Alfred Pennyworth, Leslie Thompkins, Roy Harper, Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, Bizarro, Koriand'r, Joker, Harleen Quinzel, Pamela Isley, Selina Kyle, Kate Kane Relationships: Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne, Batfamily Members & Jason Todd, Roy Harper & Jason Todd Additional Tags: Jason Todd Needs A Hug, Miscommunication, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Bruce Wayne is Bad at Communicating, Jason Todd Needs Help, Dick Grayson Tries to Be a Good Older Sibling, Suicidal Thoughts, Self-Esteem Issues, Self-Hatred, the pit fucked up jason mental health, Jason Todd is Not Okay, Jason Todd is Red Hood, Roy Harper & Jason Todd are Best Friends, Roy Harper & Jason Todd Bromance, Minor Roy Harper/Jason Todd, the outlaws love Jason so much, Good Sibling Cassandra Cain, she loves her brothers so much, jason except her damn love, Platonic Cuddling, Blood and Injury, fuck joker all my homies hate joker, the bat family needs to get their shit together via https://ift.tt/1h3dCLY

[batarangsoundsdumb]

"dick grayson is gay",,,, okay wow, so you think a straight man can't fondle a guy's butt sometimes- can't kiss his best friend goodnight, can't suck a homie's dick?? heterophobia at its finest

[mooneehoodee]

i’ve been reading the 90s Robin comic and there’s this issue early on where Tim has to team up with Dick’s Robin for some reason

and it’s a really neat concept for a team-up but i just wish we could get something like that including Jason bc DC likes to pretend like little Jason was just grumpy and antisocial all the time even after Bruce took him in

[oneofgothamsinsane]

1

HELL YEAH FUCK LEX LOSER

2

Which Wayne were you friends with? Like- I knew 2. Jason Todd-Wayne (Loml, my bbg) and Tim Drake-Wayne(Bro needs sleep, i saw him mix a 5 hour energy, monster(Ultra Red AND Mean Bean Java), and coffee)

3

Bruce has paid off damn near the entire city’s student loans. He came over to one of my friend’s family restaurant(Dead God Gothams’, go eat there and order a bloody batman its rlly good), he had a joker jambalaya, $5 meal, and a Batwoman Brandy, $2. He tipped $100. the normal tip would be like$2-3, he tipped over 100%.

stan the poor little meow meow Bruce, if you raise your voice at me I’ll cry, wayne.

Some days I see the “lex Luther is spreading the homophobic message /pos” posts and I have to physically restrain my self from telling them that he literally had a biological child with super man

[forestlingincorporated]

OVER THE GODDAMN PHONE

[punchyfeeley]

Batfam folks y'all have been slacking

[mxrekai]

*deep breath*

Yknow what I’m just gonna say it,

 The favortism that Bruce and the DC writers show Damian compared to the others is fucking disgusting and REEKS. Tim knows it, Jason sure as HELL know it, and Dick knows doesn’t really give a fuck.

Don’t believe me? Okay, how about where Bruce assaults Jason to near death in RHATO #25? And doesn’t apologize and instead just tracks Jason down to justify it saying “oh! I did it because I love you!” Yet he can apologize to Damian for literally anything and everything.

Or how when Damian died Bruce wanted to go on a mission with Jason in Batman Vol 2 #20 and he was glad because he thought his dad wanted to spend time with him. WRONG. He just wanted to trigger him in hopes he remembers something and when Jason is obviously uncomfortable he… starts a fist fight with Jason and starts yelling about how he wants his son back? Sir this is a Wendy’s.

This ^ and all the other crazy things he did to bring Damian back left a bad taste in my mouth because I don’t recall him going to this length AT ALL to bring Jason back.

Cutting Jason’s throat in Under the Red Hood to save Joker of all people and leaving Jason to explode in a building.

 How the DC writers legit named the movie “Son of Batman” WHEN BRUCE HAS 3 ADOPTED BOYS AND A DAUGHTER??? I don’t remember Dick’s movie being named son of Batman? Or Tim’s, or Jason’s?

So where was Dick and Bruce’s rage when Damian was killing people? And attacking Tim who didn’t even do anything? Where was it huh? Oh wait! I know! It was non-existent.

I am so sick and tired of the way the writers and Bruce handle Bruce’s terrible parenting skills. It is so unsightly and toxic.

[autisticcassandracain]

DC Pride Special 2022 skimming for stories takeaways:

Fuck Devin Grayson, all my homies hate Devin Grayson

PRE-FLASHPOINT MISTER MIRACLE CANON TO THE CURRENT TIMELINE

Big Barda and Nubia friends :D

Jackson story REALLY GOOD I love Ha’wea’s family and I think it was a really good move to have Ha’wea and Jackson bond in New Mexico. Has pacing issues but I don’t care I love it

Jo’s story is def the most technically competent I read! Really love the Noir approach to it, I enjoy Jo as a private eye, the way it built on Far Sector was great, the story was short but pretty strong imo, and I enjoyed the use of colour a lot!! 10/10 rlly

Tim Drake sure exists

[oldfritz]

this was surprisingly hard because half of them I wanted to throw in f, but then felt guilty about it so here’s where we are. explanations under the cut to be nice (fair warning: I’m writing this while tipsy so this is a journey)

S-tier

Old Fritz: look me in the eyes. look at me. are you looking? good. where else was I was going to put him? where? in C with the other losers? foolish. I am ruining my life for this man, I’m going to go into debt so I can be moderately qualified to write books on him so Tim Blanning and Christopher Clark don’t boo my off the stage. I sit here sometimes and I’m like ‘y’know, I would start a podcast to talk about his life’ as if I’m some straight white guy who thinks any of you want to listen to me for an hour. he’s a bastard, a smug bastard, and is the epitome of self-destructive tendencies. and, honestly, I wouldn’t mind if he wasn’t so fucking misogynistic all the time. ‘oh women aren’t fit to rule’ shut up Fritz before I time travel to fuck your wife and make her have one night where life feels worthwhile. but he’s funny, I enjoy how he does foreign policy, and he’s unfortunately relatable to me. cheers, Fritz. here’s to never being satisfied from one gay disaster with anger issues to another. may we burn in hell together

A-tier

Friedrich iii: “Suzanne, he was only on the throne for 99 days!! how can he be this high up when some of these bastards refused to die?” I hear you, my friends, and I have answers. I’ll tell you two words you’ll be shocked to hear put together: liberal Hohenzollern. a rare breed, isn’t it? imagine, friends, a world where he got over his throat cancer because he listened to a doctor and we get through the 1910s, 20s, even the 30s without Wilhelm II Electric Boogaloo being in power. Prussia is still on the map, the Anglo-Prussian alliance is strong, and I live in peace. but no. this stupid man had to keep smoking. because he’s selfish and doesn’t care about my needs. you know, he actually loved his wife. rare in this family. loved her and wasn’t abusive. the bar is so low, guys. and his wife is amazing too, Victoria. the world would’ve been in competent hands if they’d been in power longer (and Bismarck would’ve been out of a job still but at least these guys are smart. their son inherited grandma Vicki’s IQ). I would sleep with both of them and would thank them for the honor (when it should always be the other way around, remember that)

B-tier

Friedrich I: if your name is Friedrich and only Friedrich, we’re buds. that’s my rule. I have to give him credit where credit’s due. he was the first. while I agree with Fritz in his proscription that he was ‘small in big ways and big in small ways’ (I may have flipped that around), he wasn’t a bad guy. he just was born into the wrong job for him. I appreciate that he rode on his father’s coattails of proving useful to the Habsburgs and did a little himself to get that sweet, sweet kingship. smart move. I also like that he saw Louis XIV and said to himself “I stan, I kin, on God we’re gonna do that’ and tried. only for have his stupid, ungrateful, unclassy son to do away with that. I, too, am a woman of luxury and self-indulgance and if I had all the riches of Brandenburg and Prussia at the time (not much), I would spend them ridiculously on outfits and music and art. now, what did he do as king? what policy legacy did he leave behind? that’s a good one :)

C-tier

Friedrich Wilhelm III: now as a king he sucks. and I stand by this because, you know, he lost to him *imagine me pretending to be short and saying ‘oui, oui’ in a bad french accent*. and as any proper Englishwoman I can’t support a monarch who goes around losing to the French unless their name is Mary I. but, he’s a pathetic little man. he really is. so indecisive, so unsure of himself. what are you doing little guy? you think because your last name is Hohenzollern, God thinks you’re a good king? well it is like 1805 and, while divine right isn’t really being used as much, it’s as good as any reason on why you’re the chosen one and my family is eating dirt in Sicily and on the Scottish border. he’s really just a dude, nothing extraordinary about him except that his wife was the only one with brains and was the first to establish that (sorry Wilhelm I). he cried when he found out that his children didn’t call him ‘papa’ and went into a deep depressive state when his wife suddenly died. he’s an average man, of average abilities, but of big heart. and the big heart is what bumps him up, for me, from his old place as an F to a C. though, his moralizing is tedious

Friedrich Wilhelm II: this man should have partied with Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. everyone’s got that one ruler whose all about sex, drugs, and rock ‘n roll. for the US it’s JFK, for the UK it’s Margaret Thatcher Charles II, France has Louis XIV. Prussia has this guy and we should thank him. so many mistresses, so much sex, so much revelry and debauchery and sin! this guy’s personal life is like a treasure trove of political and sexual intrigue. if you’re into that - as I am as a town gossip - you’ll love him. I am constantly amazed by the fact that some STD didn’t kill him. syphilis, herpes, crabs. something, man, anything. but he didn’t. he’s a shit king though. absolutely horrible. all he did was whine that he didn’t get taught anything by Uncle Fritz and, yes, that’s not good if it’s true (but it’s not completely because the treatises are detailed but I guess he didn’t have time to read) but c’mon. actually apply yourself and learn on the job. I know that would’ve required him to not be balls deep somewhere, but unfortunately he’s not Dorian Gray. there’s work that needed to be done and he didn’t do it. boo!!

D-tier

Wilhelm I: apparently he was a good guy, unlike the other 3 who populate the lowest rungs of Prussian kinghood. so I give him that and I can respect that. but what did he do? what were his own ideas? I thought about putting Bismarck as king instead because, really, he was. Bismarck was a minister who ran around the king’s back to set things up exactly as he liked and it fucking worked because he was the brains. his wife was intelligent too, but theirs wasn’t a wamr and loving marriage. and Bismarck worked to get Wilhelm to distrust her because she was liberal and the fact that Wilhelm would listen to Otto even if it meant allowing himself to be drowned in the Rhine is pathetic. fun party at Versailles though. hope it was worth the war reparations

F-tier (bastard time) I’m going in a different order because I want to go from the ones I hate least to most xoxo

Friedrich Wilhelm IV: “I won’t accept a crown from the gutter” then you won’t accept a crown at all, stupid idiot! god, the smugness. the authoritarian impulses. I know it was the cool thing in 1848 to put down any revolts/protests with as much force as possible, but man, at least the Habsburgs were transparent. homie was like “yeah guys lol I’ll make a constitution and it’ll be epic! you’ll have so many rights! xoxo gossip girl” and then...nope. and AND he wanted the Habsburgs in charge of things too! Mr. ‘I’m Nostalgic For When HRE Was Great And We Blew Austrian Dick!’ grow up man. it’s Prussia time buddy, Austria is beginning to fall apart. don’t look to the past, look to the future, but you didn’t have that vision did you?

Wilhelm II: *banging pots and pans* I blame this man for everything! now, intellectually, does Germany take all the blame for WWI? no, that’s foolish and propaganda of the Allies only. if you’re a European power in 1914, you get to share the blame (ex: why did UK need to make this a naval arms race? Austria should’ve declared war on Serbia sooner if that’s what it wished to do. Russia, please stay out of the Balkans then and forever). but does my irrational hatred of Wilhelm blind me to this truth when I see his stupid face and that ugly fucking mustache that I wish to yank off? my god, yes. I see him and Rule Britannia and The Yanks Are Coming start playing so loud in my head and I’m like ‘yeah, the kaiser’s gonna pay.’ I’m sorry that Bismarck’s ego was bigger than yours but did you have to prove him right by getting incompetent buffoons who were playing checkers when he set the board up for chess to replace him? Did you have to prove Freud right by displacing private problems onto public life with your little tit-for-tat with George IV (VI?) because his mummy loved you more? Why did you need to fuck every naval vessel you saw like an inferior of Peter the Great who believed he was Sir Francis Drake? but that’s just the first war and he lived to see things setting up for the second. wasn’t in convenient for you to be close with the N@zis when you thought they might want a king back on the throne and you could reclaim your little tyrant. like every goddamn Prussian conservative or Junker, you thought you could play the tyrannical cockroach. sure, you figured out earlier that he was no pal, but you still collaborated and you still allowed yourself to get played like the weak man of conscience you are. cheers!

Friedrich Wilhelm I: ladies and gentleman, the moment you’ve all been waiting for! the biggest bastard straight outta Berlin, FW1! and who doesn’t love an abusive father? who doesn’t love a man, so insecure and pathetic, that he needs to terrorize children to be able to look at himself and have a little pride. I understand that it was because he wanted his kids, specifically Fritz, to be best. but being best and perfect meant being miniature versions of him and aren’t we supposed to want our children to be better than a carbon-copy of a small man? honestly, I could live with the occasional smack for this time period. it’s within the norm and, while horrible, isn’t irreparably damaging. this guy really had to beat the shit out of Fritz and Wilhelmina and I’m sure Augustus and Henry and Amalia and all the others (so many kids) didn’t get spared either because if you hit one, you’ll hit ‘em all. and I judge them for their flaws all the same but, for some of them, it gets hard to. because what fighting chance did they have when their father was telling them how worthless they were and beating them senseless and threatening death and life imprisonment on some? I’m constantly impressed by Henry and Fritz and Wilhelmina for amounting to any semblance of maturity, even though it’s always fleeting, because this man didn’t give them the tools to be functioning adults. but each of them managed to be greater than their father, as did Amalia managing a really cool coup in Sweden. and what did FW1 get? he built up his army, had a tall guy fetish, increased the treasury, and made the cabinet and executive offices more efficient. there used to be this one guy on here that would argue that that was all a good king made and that this lowlife didn’t deserve the contempt he got by some on here (an obvious vague of me) for his behavior as a father. and maybe I’m a crackpot, but I believe the quality of a man outshines all those other achievements and that that’s meaningless to me, in my personal life. and when I get to hell, before I go to any of these other men, I’ll go to him and ask him how hell’s fires feel because, if his God was real, it would never love him. and that’s beautiful

[fantastic-nonsense]

So here's the thing (well...three things):

One, that coffee panel is one of approximately 3-4 times across the entirety of Tim's appearances that we've seen him buy and/or drink coffee on panel. This is, mind you, despite Tim having a 183-issue solo series as Robin, a 26-issue solo series as Red Robin, and co-starring in both Batman comics and two team books (Young Justice and Teen Titans) regularly for 33 years. It does not, in fact, "have its roots in the comics."

Canonically, Tim enjoys tea (which is coincidentally what he's taking from Alfred in your first panel, if I remember correctly) and loves Zesti soda, which is (more-or-less) the in-universe equivalent of Pepsi:

Tim definitely has sleep issues, but they are not the result of a coffee addiction; rather, they're the result of purposeful, forced late nights to engage in case work. Actually, frankly his chronic "falling asleep in random locations" issue wouldn't be possible if he were a coffee addict.

Canonically, Barbara is the coffee addict of the Batfam, to the point where she has canonically been teased about it. Babs' ever-present coffee cup in her hands and/or next to her computer was a running gag for quite literally years, even in the New 52 era when DC refused acknowledge Oracle existed:

So like...if you want a coffee addict, Babs is right there.

Two, the problem is not necessarily the fanon that Tim loves and is slightly addicted to coffee. The problem is that fanon warps that otherwise harmless headcanon into a personality trait, where Tim's depiction in fandom content revolves around coffee and his love of it. It's obnoxious at the best of times, and significantly worse when it (as it often is) the harbinger of several other fanon!Tim traits. Which of course, brings me to...

Three, the backlash to coffee addict!Tim isn't actually about whether or not he actually likes coffee, but because it's an effective shorthand for all of the stuff that encompasses fanon!Tim, which people in the fandom who actually read comics tend to REALLY dislike. It was a small but obviously noticable thing people could point to that signaled to comic readers that so many fans not only don't read comics but go "fuck reading comics, all my homies hate reading comics," especially when it came to a) characterizing Tim and b) depicting canon events in fan-produced content.

The point is not really "does Tim actually canonically like coffee" or "is there a basis in canon for saying so." The point is "this is a small but very visible sign that you are probably about to encounter a version of Tim Drake written by someone who genuinely has no fucking clue how Tim Drake actually canonically acts, nor do they understand the actual context behind certain canon events and interactions they are about to attempt to depict."

To put it a much simpler way: comic readers think fanon Tim sucks, and fanon!Tim's coffee addiction became a flashpoint for how we talk about our dislike for fanon Tim because it's a very simple and obvious thing people can point to and say "that's simply wrong."

I’ve heard some people say that they hate the “caffeine addict” Tim head canon but I’d like to remind people that the head canon actually has roots to the comics:

Tim is known to have a lot of sleeplessness due to stress and his perfectionism

We don’t really see a lot of coffee cups lay around the batcave or whatever

But it’s safe to say that he definitely stays up late at night for detective work

If Tim says in a future comic that he’s a “caffeine addict” it wouldn’t be a stretch

I don’t know if fans understood Tim’s character that well that they coincidentally headcanoned him loving coffee but it definitely holds merit

Hopefully this stops unnecessary debates ✌🏼

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Choice

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/1h3dCLY by The_4am_Writer Jason was tired of feeling like a second choice after another fight with Bruce leads him directly into Joker's hands and leaves him bloody and broken the Batfamily and outlaws need to convince Jason that they really do love and care about him Words: 3569, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Characters: Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Duke Thomas, Alfred Pennyworth, Leslie Thompkins, Roy Harper, Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, Bizarro, Koriand'r, Joker, Harleen Quinzel, Pamela Isley, Selina Kyle, Kate Kane Relationships: Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne, Batfamily Members & Jason Todd, Roy Harper & Jason Todd Additional Tags: Jason Todd Needs A Hug, Miscommunication, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Bruce Wayne is Bad at Communicating, Jason Todd Needs Help, Dick Grayson Tries to Be a Good Older Sibling, Suicidal Thoughts, Self-Esteem Issues, Self-Hatred, the pit fucked up jason mental health, Jason Todd is Not Okay, Jason Todd is Red Hood, Roy Harper & Jason Todd are Best Friends, Roy Harper & Jason Todd Bromance, Minor Roy Harper/Jason Todd, the outlaws love Jason so much, Good Sibling Cassandra Cain, she loves her brothers so much, jason except her damn love, Platonic Cuddling, Blood and Injury, fuck joker all my homies hate joker, the bat family needs to get their shit together read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/1h3dCLY