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TOMMYIRLEY ???SIMONRILEY!??MR RILEY !!! cw for mentions of abuse child neglect and sa.. i amsorry

i REALLY really like this interpretation of him .. it makes a lot of sense and honestly. SO FUCKING REAL with the generational trauma with mr riley to simon riley. i do genuinely think that there is a long line of that fatherly hatred that he was sadly unfortunately doomed to follow and perhaps simon is fated to break. ((IF we allow him a happy ending but activison said his bloodline is dying with him so.)) i guess his absence in his son's lives and his attempt at avoiding it at All costs is probably also because he doesn't like. being vulnerable. and commitment.

these issues are also soon developed by simon funnily enough. hating vulnerability. feeling exposed. scared. afraid to commit. but i guess simon's line of thinking is that he's afraid of commitment, because what if he loses everything again? or i guess when he's a teenager and his family isn't 6 feet under, what if he becomes his father? angst.y.

but i guess for mr riley in my headcanon differs. he's not afraid of it, per se. he doesn't like commitment because he's genuinely fucking clueless and stupid. when it comes to emotional availability and stuff. his upbringing in a very controlling household made him lash out and bratty but also . you know. if you're genuinely as insane as i am i like to think he's also a victim of child sa with his father being. very involved with him. but dealt with it in perhaps the worst coping mechanism(s) possible which can be either Drugs (though i don't like this route personally) and Avoiding Dealing With The Problem. i really like the sa route because it's . it makes sense that he would want to be as little involved with his children as possible and is generally really uncomfortable (he will not admit it) and a general disinterest in intimacy.

still i think he also fears to want to be involved with his children. to care. it makes him .. i don't think it's because he's generally Just Abusive and an asshole he's just super fucked. he doesn't really know what love is or know how to properly care for someone, nonetheless his own children. because of his father's bad example and his mother basically letting him do whatever. (i like to think his mother died pretty early on from a lobotomy. because lobotomies were really prevalent back then. and also i like to Think that it was because his mum was depressed and that was just the go to on how uncaring husbands treated their sad housewives. back then. which kind of affected how he views women, and his own wife in particular.)

i do think he's just generally super fucking stupid and clueless and his emotional intelligence is just below the earths crater. i like to think he Tried to be involved with simon once which was why he brought simon to that club with the rock music. but well that went nowhere. like he tries but he really shouldn't. like for his childrens' sake he should Not attempt it.

it also ties into the "got out of the house as SOON as possible" which made him cut off from his family or whatever (i always like to think he eloped with mrs riley against his parents wishes but then he proved his father right all along with how the relationship fizzled out and now their family is doomed. ahahha. which could also make him Extra insufferable.)

for mrs riley though my own feelings differ. i think that simon and tommy both have the, "i hate my mother but i understand her i just wish things weren't so difficult for us" and the "i hate my father fuck that guy." simon doesn't exactly hate his mother though i just put that there because its word for word on that one instagram post.

he sympathises with her a lot, but i Like to be silly about it and make simon a mama's boy which leads to Favouritism with their mum generally being more affectionate with simon (also because she feels bad) with tommy usually being left in the sidelines. its sad to think about. but i dont think she does it because she's a bad person but because she's generally just tired and simon looks at her like she's everything to him and tommy. tommy doesn't. because she never really was there for tommy when he was born , it was just simon. so his mum was a fleeting figure in his life. his life was just . Simon. simon raised him, simon cares for him. that's all that matters to tommy.

(he's also a liar he definitely craves love and attention but can't get it from his dad or his mum so he tries it with simon. leading to very unfortunate events.)

however even with how much of an avoidant, emotionally absent figure mr riley is i do think at Some level he tries to care for his wife. i like to think he cooks whenever he's home and that mrs riley can only cook the bare basics--but she never really has time to do that from her work so its always takeout for dinner and stuff if mr riley is absent. simon eventually tries to learn to cook for tommy but he sucks at it and can only really cook instant noodles and fried eggs. their dad buys a hotpot in a rare case of attempted affection where you can just throw ingredients in it.

here's where i am Going to be stoned because this is just me being fucking silly/insane about mr riley because these are all just. me Having fun and making stupid little headcanons

you clicked on it.. okay well you asked for it so don't blame me. i don't think mr riley is physically abusive. well i mean. on paper.because he doesn't like to involve himself with his children, right. so that means he Actually just is absent and doesn't try to communicate with them or whatever. bad grades? doesn't affect him, so inflicting punishment on them to him is also like Being involved and he doesn't really care/want for that. however, when they do something stupid which affects him? yeah, to the trashbin. he'd probably berate them but that's Emotional abuse. not physical. i also don'tthinkhe's strong enough to be physically abusive lmao he's a fucking twink. some plate smashing does happen though. but never on their faces.

so to Me his main crimes are emotional abuse and emotional neglect. i do think sometimes mrs riley hits her children, but "out of love". quotation marks. she always cries and kisses them afterwards, aftercare and stuff, she just thinks they Need to learn consequences and whatever. i don't think simon or tommy really cared for it after growing up. they can forgive their mother. their father though, maybe not..,.

i Like to also think that mrs riley definitely gets very bad emotionally when she eventually breaks and has a downward spiral when simon leaves for the army. obviously tommy's the youngest so he's still there, but simon was her favourite. so she has a really bad state of mind and doesn't really think straight - drugs and alcohol are her main coping mechanisms. because i am also insane this is where Mr and Mrs riley's roles switch--suddenly mr riley is Not the absent parent (which he is Not happy with) and mrs riley is (because she genuinely cannot care for tommy in her state of mind.) i am very normal about this part, of course, and have not written anything regarding it. i am also a liar.

for a highschool setting, au if you will, what upbringing do you think the 141 would have? im really curious to know what you think of personally :)c

oooooh!! to be completely honest, i didn't have any concrete ideas i could put into words before seeing this ask so this is gonna be two things: completely unresearched and based solely off of vibes

i have to emphasise i am clueless about UK demographics. i am still researching (snail pace) but i didnt want to make you wait :(

i'm big on soap growing up lower middle class catholic with siblings. to me, he's a classic middle child - he may have naturally felt a bit neglected and jealous of his younger sibling as a kid, but he gets over it once he hit hits teens.

his parents are warm and welcoming people, but there is a little awkwardness when it comes to queer topics as well as johnny's neurodivergence. they're fully supportive of his endeavors in sports and entertain his interest in engineering. although awkwardly at first, johnny was encouraged to be upfront about his emotions and opinions (which fired back terribly during his teens, but led to more open conversations later). his parents do remind him to mind his manners often though.

his relationship with his siblings can be a bit tumultuous, especially with the youngest, but ultimately he would give his life for them. there's a lot of roughousing involved, but also caring touches, hugs, pats on the back, doing eachothers hair, helping with makeup and so on. johnny grew up with lots of affectionate physical touch from both his parents and siblings.

johnny has always struggled with the catholicism bit though. his parents aren't strict about faith by any means, but there are unspoken expectations that he sometimes has trouble with. he learned early that his grandparents should see him as nothing but masculine and ready for marriage, lest all hell broke loose.

ghost gets the unfortunate working class dysfunctional household in every universe. i am so sorry my boy. he always gets the irresponsible and ungovernable dad and the tortured madonna mum.

his dad doesn't really know what to do with a kid or how to tend to its needs and doesn't have enough emotional capacity to learn. as a person, i think deep down he is really scared to care. he thinks it makes him vulnerable - his own dad (simons grandfather) was a mean patriarch, controlling, while his mum was emotionally absent. he got out and rebeled as fast as possible, but that left him with knowing nothing but fear, anger and tricks.

he "lets" the mum do the housework and take care of the kids after her shift. simon grows up seeing his mum work herself to the bone taking care of them, including his dad. unlike his brother, tommy, simon finds himself taking his mothers side and offering to help her. he grows more and more disgusted with his father as time goes on. tommy just tries to shut it out and escape it for the most part, but there are exceptions when he won't.

the mum tries her best to provide food, clean clothes and a smile for her children, but there's a backdrop of grief to it all. they used to hug and comfort eachother, but that stopped when simon hit puberty and closed himself off physically. simon sees her suffering and it angers him, but he splits that anger in half and aims it at his dad and himself.

the trauma bond simon and tommy have makes tommy irreplaceable in simons life. unlike simon, tommy has insane charisma and a desperate need to self-sabotage, and this combo more often than not brings him amongst the worst groups in the neighbourhood. simon makes his disapproval known often and tries to be a positive force in tommys life, which doesn't always work out.

at home, whenever the opportunity arises, tommy tries to take the abuse instead of simon, who will (as a teen) openly fight his dad. tommy doesn't mind sitting down and taking it in an effort to make it end faster.

i personally can't help but see price as an only child in an upper middle class family. albeit very disciplined, he's used to getting his way and tends to hold grudges when someone opposes him, and he has a talent for finding loopholes in rule systems.

his dad and mum divorced in his preteens due to his mum having cheated. although it was an amicable divorce (at least to outsiders' eyes), it did leave an impression on young john and a doubt in his mind about love and marriage.

his parents decided to keep the cause of their divorce from him, and he visited his mum often up until his highschool years, when his mum let it slip. since then, his visits have been kept to a minimum, and he's grown bitter about her as she's tried to reach out multiple times. his mum feels extremely guilty for what she's done. she truly loves her son and john knows, but he can't help himself.

his dad would be a very stern and almost dictatorial person to him if it wasn't for the way he openly shows his love for his current wife. this also leaves a bitter aftertaste in his mouth, as he has never considered his dads second wife his "mum". they are good friends though, and they live together. his dad and her take interest in johns school life and get involved with the school itself often, which john doesn't mind much, because it gets him a foot in the door with the teachers.

he was raised manners first, so it doesn't show, but he has a healthy disrespect for authority. he often prefers to corner his superiors with malicious compliance rather than rebel outright. he's not selfish however - he has a strong moral code of his own, which contradicts itself at times, but he is very stubborn about it - and just like his father, he's very loyal to people who have gained his respect, but quick to "dispose" of people who have lost it. it is difficult to gain his respect, and very easy to lose it.

gaz would come from a lower middle class catholic family as well as johnny, but unlike him, he doesn't feel as though he has many obligations towards god. after a stern talking to from his mum however, he keeps his opinions to himself.

his dad is exmilitary and kyle has witnessed the PTSD from a young age, along with his mum comforting his dad as well as she could. his dad would sometimes do self sabotaging things he'd regret, and once kyle became older, he took care of him in those moments along with his mum. the therapy helps, sometimes.

kyle has some trouble coming to terms with the love his dad still expresses for the military though, despite the aftermath. kyle knows his dad would really like it if kyle joined the military as well. his brain is swimming with stories of his dads military buddies and the "grand ol time" they had, and with the nights he spent up at the kitchen table hugging his dad back from a damn near suicide attempt.

most of the time though, his dad is a warm and friendly fellow who has many friends in the community and often likes to include his children in the activities. kyle grew up very popular among his peers.

his mum is very goal oriented and faithful, but rather emotionally stunted. she cares for her children and her husband very deeply, but she doesn't show it well in her daily life. she resorts to showing love through favours and food whenever she can. she loves to sit with them when they're having a difficult time and listen.

i think he has a younger sister, who he has a classic love hate sibling relationship with. she often annoys him about the boys in his class and introducing them to her maybe, and kyle tells her that she'd just get bullied. in reality, he's fiercely overprotective. not only towards her, but his entire family.

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