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aroaceleovaldez · 11 months ago
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just read the plot summary for Wrath of the Triple Goddess and. wow this is. painful this just sounds painful to read.
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Why is Grover the incompetent inciting incident character? That is not his narrative role ever, really. That's like, the fanon conceptualization of his character where he's reduced down to comedic relief and nothing more. He's mostly exposition and support. Why not have the inciting incident be something about Annabeth's hubris - something that has gotten the gang into situations tons of times before in a way that doesn't put down any of the characters? Heck you could have even tied it into some Sea of Monsters stuff, like Circe having told Annabeth that she'd make a good sorceress. That'd be perfect for how this book literally just exists to be advertising for s2 of PJOTV. Or maybe call-back to Percy's introduction, where he talks about how he doesn't try to cause problems but problems tend to find him. Or use the established personalities of Hecate's animal companions from HoO, since we know they have attitudes. Just what are you even doing here????
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sceebybeeby · 2 months ago
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can't watch one hundo until a week and a half from now, andromeda shenanigans to cope
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hanzajesthanza · 7 months ago
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geralt of rivia thoughts summarized
this city is too congested and loud
i don’t like the way my clothes feel
it’s super hot out right now but i’m gonna keep my outerwear on
i’m just gonna sit in the corner and do my thang
what’s wrong with me why do i feel emotions so strongly
people keep telling me i was made wrong
there are so many smells out here right now
i don’t like the way these clothes feel either
i don’t know how to break up with my girlfriend so i’m just going to leave i guess
wrong decision i’m going to apologize now. … by giving her some cool rocks
i kind of messed things up with my girlfriend again but i want to talk to her BUT i don’t know how to address her. we made passionate love many times. can i call her my… hmm… ummm… friend…?
i could piss in this flowerpot but… that wouldn’t be nice to the flowers
it’s time for a scathingly eloquent rant
never mind i forgot how to say words
i’m just going to tell you what happened straight up. no poetics from me
but let’s critique society
I HATE INJUSTICE AND UNFAIRNESS !!!
why are people so corrupt and evil. i don’t get it.
more importantly. WHY do i keep falling for it.
i am a relic of an older time. change is already here and i’m not ready
apart from my immediate family i’ve had one best friend for a decade and that’s my extent of socializing.
unless someone comes to me first with that. and we have shared interests. then we can roll together for a bit
i have not changed my sense of style or the type of clothes i wear since i was eighteen. i even tie my hair in the same way
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katherinakaina · 5 months ago
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Okay, another controversial Bachelor take.
It's totally fine that he says he has high intelligence in p2.
To me it makes more sense than his weird humbleness in p1. I do not think this specific aspect of his is strictly better in p1.
Not all people who think they're smart are actually smart. But actually smart people usually know they're smart. You don't become an ambitious scientist believing you are above average at best. The only reason to withhold this information is because it's considered socially unacceptable. It's all about modesty. You basically pretend that you don't know how brilliant you are for the comfort of people around you. And we know that Daniil is not good with lying and pretending.
I admit, it does make me cringe a bit when he says that so openly. But that's because I've internalized some social rules against my will, not because there's something objectively wrong with it. I mostly cheer for him from the shadows, like, yes king know your worth don't let them shame you!
You can still consider this a character flaw of course. Daniil doesn't understand envy and resentment (he's never jealous of Artemy's success for one) so he doesn't get that he's supposed to hide his privileges. He ends up flaunting his education, his expensive clothing and, yes, his intelligence. All the while fully believing that he's the one being oppressed (a trait he shares with Aglaya).
On the other hand, in p1 Daniil constantly belittles himself. And I think that's not out of humbleness. Kinda the opposite. He honestly expected himself to defeat death by 30. He thinks he's stupid for failing at this task.
(or it's a legacy character trait from when he was Benedict, a fraud who knew nothing about medicine, or so I've been told)
For me, it doesn't make his character that much more deep or interesting. It's maybe super relatable for former gifted children with constant impostor syndrome but Daniil's not that, is he? He has his career that is only stalled by malicious government. To rage and persevere in such a situation one must believe themselves very smart indeed.
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borgialucrezia · 5 months ago
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we really don't talk enough about how cesare (who proclaims himself to be honorable) actually has an extreme level of self-absorption and narcissism. they jump out on different situations especially in his vindictive sexual harassment of the women he slept with for wounding his ego. like his abuse of ursula (who was deceived by his chivalrous façade) for leaving him and taking a will of her own vs. his aggressive grabbing of caterina's breast when she taunted him at his sister's wedding (shows that he's still bitter over her rejecting him at forli).
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gravitywonagain · 5 months ago
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Mountain Immortal
(a Fresh Powder in the Pine Trees story)
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Wei Ying is in the zone. 
It’s after lessons have closed on a Tuesday and he’s sitting at a table in the main lodge, editing his and Nie Huaisang’s latest video footage while waiting for Wen Qing to close up the clinic for the day. “Tangerine” is blasting in his headphones and his beat up laptop hasn’t overheated yet. The clips he’s working on are the fails, the attempts, the outtakes. They’re probably his favorites to go through because the pain has passed, but the lesson lives on, and, most of the time, they’re just really funny. Watching Jiang Cheng eat shit off a rail, while knowing that he’s fine, will never get old. 
So he’s totally in the zone. Which is probably why he doesn’t notice Lan Zhan over his shoulder until he feels a hand shaking him gently.
There’s something like panic in Lan Zhan’s voice when Wei Ying removes his headphones.
“When was this?” he asks.
“Ah? Lan Zhan…?”
“Are you hurt?”
“Am I — Lan Zhan, what’s wrong?”
Lan Zhan points to the screen where the Wei Ying of a little over a week ago just landed hard on his ass after a failed rail slide. 
“Ah, no, it’s fine. Wen Qing said all the bleeding was internal. That’s where the blood is supposed to be!”
Alarm lights in Lan Zhan's eyes, his eyebrows twitch toward his hairline.
“It’s a reference!" Wei Ying says, backpedaling hard and fast. "A bad reference. And a joke! Importantly, it’s a joke. I’m fine. I promise. No bleeding, internally or externally. Just a giant bruise on my ass. And on my pride."
Lan Zhan's expression settles out again, and Wei Ying takes a breath. He scoots his laptop over as Lan Zhan takes a seat, pressing play on the clip so that Lan Zhan can see the Wei Ying on the screen roll on the ground for a minute before hopping back up to his feet and trying the rail slide again.
"Nie Huaisang edits all of the good stuff," Wei Ying says. "I get to play with all the stuff he cuts out."
Lan Zhan hums as he watches Wei Ying fall off the rail a second time, though much less spectacularly than the first. "I didn't know you filmed snowboarding movies."
"Movies?" Wei Ying laughs. "You make me sound like Uncle Xiao. No, no. Just stupid little shit like this. Clips and compilations for YouTube. Huaisang just didn't want to go to film school."
“Uncle Xiao?” Of course he would pick up on that. Wei Ying can see him putting it together. He’s so smart. He can’t not. “Xiao Xingchen?”
Wei Ying really does try not to flaunt his connection to living legend Xiao Xingchen, backcountry snowboarder and filmmaker of many a ski resort employees' dreams. But Lan Zhan is Lan Zhan. His family does own this entire mountain. He won't likely be prone to the same starstruck jealousy as many of Uncle Song's rental techs.
“Uh, yeah. He was a close friend of my mom’s.”
Lan Zhan nods.
“He, uh. He used to film me when I was just learning. And then when I was getting better. He didn’t,” Wei Ying has to clear his throat against the memories before he continues, “he didn’t get into making movies for the money. He’s just always liked filming. Uncle Song fucking hates it. I still don’t know how Uncle Xiao convinced him to be in Distant Snow and Cold Frost.”
“Mr. Song does not seem the type to enjoy being filmed.”
“‘Mr. Song.’ So formal, Lan Zhan!”
“He is my coworker. And a department head.” 
“Sure, but he’s also a fucking knuckle-dragger. Just call him Song Lan. For me.”
Lan Zhan hesitates, and Wei Ying can see the impropriety of it eating away at him. But, after a moment, he acquiesces with a quiet, “Mn.”
“Have you seen any of Xiao Xingchen’s films?”
“I have. We screened Mountain Immortal here after it won an award at Banff.”
“Ah! I can’t watch that one without crying, like a lot.”
“It was a beautiful tribute.”
It was a beautiful tribute. Cangse Sanren, as she’s known in the world of winter sports, and Wei Changze had died in an avalanche in Colorado while Xiao Xingchen had been filming in Alaska. When he heard about it, Uncle Xiao had taken his movie about the history of splitboarding and made it into a memorial to his sister and her husband. Of course, it still flowed really well because he just made it a family thing. Grandma Baoshan was still a main feature as the inventor of the splitboard. She passed her backcountry spirit onto her kids and on down. 
There was so much home-video footage from Xiao Xingchen’s teenage fascination with cameras, so much footage of Wei Ying’s mom. Less of Wei Changze, but there was enough. 
Wei Ying pauses, considering how he wants to take this conversation. He could just pass this off as a passing interest, or shift to talking about outdoor sports in the film industry. But he’s been pushing Lan Zhan out of his comfort zone a lot. Possibly too much. He’s earned this, if he wants it. So Wei Ying takes a deep breath and says, “It’s my family.”
“Your… You’re Cangse Sanren’s son?”
“I am!” He smiles as bright and wide as he used to for her. It almost doesn't hurt to do it for Lan Zhan.
“So when you said ‘uncle,’ you meant…”
“Yeah! Mama was never formally adopted by Grandma Baoshan, but yeah. I meant jiujiu.”
This is the moment, usually, when someone will lavish him with sympathy, condolences or whatever. Wei Ying hates it, but he understands. Death is hard, but more than that it's weird. It lingers, haunting every relationship for the rest of forever.
But Lan Zhan doesn't say all the uncertain placating things that Wei Ying is used to. His face draws in, not in discomfort but in… understanding.
He hums, a small sad noise and then says, “My mom died when I was young, too.”
Wei Ying could almost fall over with relief. Which is. Not the reaction he should have to that. “Do you remember her?” he asks.
“A little. I was six.”
“Oh, I was fourteen.”
“Tell me about her?”
Wei Ying gasps a little, despite himself. “Really?”
“You don’t hav—”
“No, I’d like to. I just." Nobody has ever asked him that before. "Yeah! Okay.” 
Wei Ying takes a deep breath. He doesn’t really know where to start, so he just talks. He tells Lan Zhan stories from his childhood. Stories about snow and laughter and family. 
He talks about her smile and the way she always seemed to have snow in her braid. She used to spray him with powder every time he beat her down the hill. It was funny and very Mama, but it also taught him to go slower, to take his time on the slope. She refused to let anybody else teach him how to ride. She taught him to carve, first on groomers and then in powder. She used to put hand warmers in her boots because her toes were always cold. And she was just constantly losing pairs of goggles. 
He tells Lan Zhan the story of how Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze met. How they shared a chair at Park City and Wei Changze, a skier, had waited for Cangse to strap in. How he had followed her, kept up with her, impressed her. How she’d invited him for a drink at the lodge but, when they figured out that neither of them could afford ski resort alcohol, they’d crawled into the back of Wei Changze’s beat up station wagon and smoked weed in the parking lot. 
He tells him about skiing between his baba’s legs when he was too young to snowboard. About Wei Changze’s impressive will power and consistency, like how he would just quit drinking coffee occasionally when he felt he was too addicted. And his lifelong commitment to skis, despite his wife’s family’s many attempts to convert him. It won him great esteem from one of his mothers-in-law and… something else from the other. 
“Grandma Baoshan always called him an ‘unrepentant skier’ and I was never sure if she meant that as a compliment or an insult.”
He tells him about his first backcountry trip when he was 9. About the absurdly small splitboard Baoshan Sanren had built for him in her garage. And then about Baoshan Sanren’s garage. The things she made, the prototypes she’d scrapped. How Song Lan was, and still is, the only one she allowed to fully access the garage, not even her wife is allowed in there unsupervised. And the way she’d chase Xiao Xingchen away any time he’d tried to point a camera in her general direction. 
He talks about Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan and going on full family outings with all seven of them packing into two cars and driving to the slopes in the early morning dark. How little Wei Ying would just cruise up the skin tracks once they’d been broken in. How he’d built his muscles surrounded by family and fresh powder. How he’d learned early to earn his turns. 
“I’ll take you up a mountain the fun way sometime,” he offers, and then laughs, delighted by Lan Zhan’s eager acceptance. 
He tells stories of Song Lan teaching him how to do all of the practical maintenance on skis and snowboards and splitboards because he basically did all of it for the whole family. Wei Changze would help and Wei Ying would get the skins all tangled and stuck to each other. How difficult it can be to get that adhesive out of hair. Or hair out of the adhesive. 
“There’s actually a picture in Mountain Immortal,” he says, “of me sitting in a pile of probably ten pairs of skins that Baba and Uncle Song had piled on me because I was causing so much trouble.”
He tells Lan Zhan that his favorite memory, the one he always goes back to, is of just the three of them. They’re at a resort, actually. Which one doesn’t matter, Wei Ying wouldn’t be able to recall the name anyway. All he sees is Wei Changze with his ski poles stuck out behind him for his wife and son to hold onto as he skates the three of them over the flats. 
“I was probably eleven at the time? Mama was squatting low, keeping her board flat, but she kept reaching over and poking at my knees trying to make me fall over.”
He’s crying, he realizes. Laughing and crying. He wonders how long that’s been going on as he wipes the tears from his cheeks. 
It’s that motion that finally pulls him back into the present. The lodge is empty, there’s a red and white paper tray half-full of fries between him and Lan Zhan that he doesn’t remember either of them getting up to buy, but he can taste the salt on his tongue so he knows he’s eaten some. His laptop is dead, but its battery was low anyway. Still, it must have been at least an hour since Lan Zhan found him here. 
“Sorry,” Wei Ying says, “that was probably a lot more than you were prepared for.”
Lan Zhan’s eyes are rimmed red and it’s possible he was crying at some point, too. He smiles. It’s small but real in a way few smiles are. It makes Wei Ying’s heart jump into his throat. 
“Thank you for telling me about your family, Wei Ying,” says Lan Zhan with an honesty that matches his smile. 
Wei Ying sniffs and rubs his hands against his snow pants. He shakes his head to shake away the ghosts. "You should really come out to one of our sessions some time," he says, gesturing toward the laptop. "You would look great on film."
Lan Zhan doesn't roll his eyes. Instead he looks pointedly toward the black screen where Wei Ying was just editing videos of him falling on his ass.
Another laugh jolts its way out of Wei Ying's lungs. This one isn't sad at all. And Lan Zhan is smiling again.
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sage-nebula · 19 days ago
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Spinel's Beheeyem:
is female
likes watching TV, but only the static snow that appears when there's no cable connection
likes watching people sleep, the closer the better
likes wearing accessories, such as hats
likes to play with people by altering their memories and thoughts and seeing what happens
does not like being told "no"
does not like being touched
does not care for food; just eats enough to survive
loves dubwool and wants to own a whole flock; often teleports them into Spinel's apartment in a bid to convince him to let her keep them
loves spying and is excited whenever she's sent to do it; she's nosy
thinks it's funny when confused and addled people get into accidents, especially if she's the one who confused and addled them
would love the sound of the spirit box from og Buzzfeed Unsolved if she was ever able to hear it.
Spinel's Umbreon:
is male
is extremely food driven, but also very picky; loves to eat, but will only eat the most exquisite and high quality of treats and food (because Spinel spoiled him by only giving him this)
takes two several hour long naps per day, at around the same time each day; is grumpy if these naps are interrupted
loves to be petted and cuddled
is very proud of himself, in part due to the compliments Spinel lavishes on him about how pretty and strong and good he is
gets hangry very easily if he is not fed at roughly the same times every day
is playful, and will play-fight with other pokémon whether they want to or not
could stop Beheeyem from repeatedly stealing dubwool, but chooses not to because Beheeyem being naughty ensures his place as Spinel's favorite in his eyes
would be the favorite regardless
Both Beheeyem and Umbreon:
love Spinel so much that they'll do whatever he asks of them no question*; their morality begins and ends with, "does this make Spinel happy? ok <3 yay <3"
(*except for when he asks Beheeyem to not teleport dubwool into his house. she will never stop.)
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natsumiikan · 1 month ago
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I just finished the natlan archon quest after putting it off forever and it was mind-blowingly mid but I think I realized what the problem is. There's no Yuri 💔
#☁️🌕☁️.txt#ok that's only part of the issue mainly the writing was flat and the characterization (ESP of mavuika) felt so... bland#like i watched minsleif's mavuika vid bc i felt like i needed someone to word it well and she was completely correct#she does TECHNICALLY have character flaws. but she never grows never changes and these flaws never affect the story in a meaningful way#we only see her being “wrong” ONCE and it's when capitano takes the metaphorical bullet for her#she's just not portrayed as interesting...#i would have loved to see a moment of hesitation and grief before she burned her mementos#a moment of abject fear and dread when only 4 heros were known#even in the private of her own space! other characters could have seen her as perfect! but even in her memory road scenes she still didn't#have much depth. like when she was explaining to her family her plan to leave and come back 500 years later#i feel like the little sister could've been a really good character to Show mavuika's inherent hypocrisy that isn't really touched on much#if her sister in that scene said something like “in natlan nobody fights alone and you're leaving us to fight ALONE” and mavuika sort of#floundered and maybe even snapped a little and there was never a good resolution UNTIL they met again in the final fight sequence#that would've been so much more interesting!! showing mavuika's hypocrisy and martyr complex having an IMPACT on both her and her loved ones#also a moment of showing the stress in moments of being alone. she's a perfectionist but she isn't perfect#the pressure Would make her a little crazy even if she doesn't outwardly display it#like she's an inverse to furina who was characterized SOOOO well#she had. SO much potential for the same#and we got a cardboard cutout 😕#AND on top of all of that there's no real yuri in natlan#there were moments a true himejoshi could spin a whole yarn from#but there wasn't any that wouldn't require an in depth hear me out#like jeanlisa eimiko beiguang clorivia these all went without saying pretty much#like OH yeah that's yuri obviously come on now#and having that dynamic adds tension and interest! it makes the characters more interesting#idk natlan rlly flopped hard sorry :( i liked the Lore i liked ronova and the lord of the night and everything#just the actual characters and dynamics felt so... uninteresting. paimon felt the most interesting in the whole aq#maybe kachina as a close second or chasca#or ororon tbh. both of whom i have character design gripes with but their writing was pretty good!#thinking abt it now sumeru didn't really have good yuri either but nahida and wanderer rlly carried the plot. but lowkey lumine and jeht...
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kiyomitakada · 6 months ago
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it actually really annoys me how well death note fits into dracula because i don’t like writing l/light as a predatory dynamic even though i do enjoy reading fics with that interpretation sometimes but like the correspondence is so so clear. dracula (L) and his three roommates (near mello matt). mina “haha i bet those newfangled feminists will be the one doing the proposing not like me i am polite and normal” “holds her husband’s arm instead of the traditional other way around” harker is obviously kiyomi takada since they are both the repressed butches of all time and id really like to see kiyomi have a breakdown about holy items leaving scars in her skin. i actually cannot decide between jonathan-light and lucy-misa or the other way around because lucy “i fancy myself a tough nut to crack” “my entire personality is masks and i die by suffocation under them” westenra could fit both of them so well but jonathan’s manic devotion is honestly very misacore. renfield mikami is very important to me not just because disciple god etc but because renfield tries so hard to get everyone else to take him seriously by acting the part of the refined gentleman he once was and because his last act is a futile attempt at resisting his god (and as a bonus he gets along with mina-kiyomi). the suitors are also there i guess
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cacw · 6 months ago
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frostpaw isnt some sweetheart idiot catholic schoolgirl shes smart shes an adult and she knows better now and shes not completely clueless she never really was and she does have a personality that doesnt solely revolve around hating her mom and having a windclan girlfriend. frostpaw is angry and lonely. frostpaw killed somebody
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fiona-fififi · 3 months ago
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#being a little petty again probably i don't know#but here's the thing#yeah things in literature/art/film/tv can often be interpreted in multiple different ways#but also there are absolutely multiple factors that go into interpreting a text#and there ARE incorrect interpretations#and if your interpretation hinges on assigning disproportionate significance#to a side character who has been shown time and time again to serve no purpose other than driving forward the narrative of another characte#even though the text had ample opportunity to build that character into the narrative and make them a character in their own right#intead of just a vehicle for a main#then. well. your interpretation really IS less valid#because texual analysis requires a consideration of a multitude of literary elements#and ignoring character type and overall characterization for a side character who has no true significance of their own#really just. isn't it.#anyway#anti bucktommy#anti tommy kinard#911 discourse#for real if one of my students handed me a paper with the interpretation that this dude is somehow buck's great love#i'd have an 'aww bless their heart' moment and likely give it a c#because there just isn't sufficient textual evidence if we take character type and characterization into account#especially with all of the other context around eddie#but even taking eddie and buddie completely out of the equation#this would read like just another flat side character meant to move buck forward#anyway anyway#like enjoy what you like but also maybe recognize the limitations of textual analysis and interpretation#instead of pretending that every interpretation is of equal validity because they just aren't#now that could change eventually as this is an ongoing text. but the chances seem slim#when they've admitted to extending the arc and yet the character's significance has not actually changed
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kacchanbiased · 11 months ago
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saying Bakugou's fluctuating hero ranking placements is because "he doesn't gaf about the hero rankings unless izuku isn't there with him" is making my ass itch really badly 😭 completely losing the plot over Bakugou's character sorry are we talking about the same bakugou.
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ghostlycleric · 1 year ago
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It’s really really interesting that they left El’s feelings to be resolved in season 5.
The last time we hear about El’s feelings towards Mike it’s in her letter: “I have gone to become a superhero again. From, El”. That is quite literally El saying she doesn’t love Mike anymore.
She considers writing love to be the bare minimum. “You can’t even write it, Mike.” She thought Mike not saying or writing it meant he didn’t love her anymore. So, she stopped writing it too. While it wasn’t necessarily a breakup letter, that was her telling Mike that she is done waiting for him.
That would’ve immediately lead to their breakup if it weren’t for Will. (That’s why she doesn’t even try to kiss him during their reunion in the desert.) Will talked Mike into giving that monologue, Will lied about who had his feelings. The same feelings that Mike was reassured by and called back to in his monologue to El. The relationship we’ll see Mike and El in at the beginning of season 5 will be built on a lie.
How long this lie lasts is mainly based on the painting, but also on El herself.
Will’s feelings are solidified. Mike’s seem solidified. El’s are unconfirmed. (But, last we saw it seemed she’d lost feelings.) We never see how she responds to the monologue, but we do know some things about after it.
She’s distant. Will has reason to believe that Mike and El haven’t talked at all since the monologue. He asks Mike, kind of timidly, “has she talked to you at all?” and Mike says “not much”. He then reveals that they talked about the supernatural stuff, about her loss. We don’t hear anything about the state of their relationship.
They choose to have Mike and Will have another heart to heart at the end of the season instead of Mike and El. They choose to have El walk out on that hill independently with Mike staying by Will’s side behind her.
I don’t think they’ll pull an off camera breakup for them. But, we saw from how El acted in the desert reunion that she won’t be hostile to Mike after a mature breakup. In the pizza place right before the monologue, she holds his hands and appears to be trying to gently tell him something. I’ve never gotten anything but breakup vibes from that moment. They get interrupted, then the monologue happens. If they didn’t let it get interrupted, Mike and El would’ve broken up.
They’re set up to start yet another season with a rocky relationship built on a lie and an I love you. We saw from the way seasons 3 and 4 happened, that is a recipe for disaster.
I can’t wait to see how they decide to reveal El’s feelings and the painting. In what order? How? How long do Mike and El stay together? How does Will react? How does Mike react? How does El react? There’s so much volume in this love triangle it’s insane.
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takemebacktowheniwassane · 1 year ago
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forgot I still knew how to do art traditionally
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demonsfate · 11 months ago
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like the whole point of jin's creation was that he's supposed to be a foil to kazuya, not the same. like kazuya was supposed to look at jin and see everything he could've been. jin was NOT supposed to look at kazuya and see himself because they've both hurt people. no, that ruins the entire point. that ruins the point that jin was raised with love, that jin knew what compassion was and kazuya didn't, that jin is what kazuya could've been had kazuya been given the same nurturing as a child.
the fact that tk8 had the whole jin looking at kazuya and sees himself, remembering the war, actually does ruin his character and everything he was supposed to be, and it's always mind boggling to me that a lotta ppl can't see that or some ppl legit believe that tk6 "improved" jin's character.
love him or hate him in the earlier tekken games, but it's objective that tk6 ruined everything jin was. what was once something original and different was made into something repetitive and frustratingly inconsistent.
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bluegarners · 2 years ago
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Which one do you dislike more? Himbo adult Dick Grayson or Tiny angry baby Dick Grayson?
oh hmm, good question anon
the thing is is that i can appreciate the pros and cons of both. i like it when dick grayson, this big, lean, athletic looking man has kind, humble eyes and an easy smile and a "devil may care, im just here to have a good time" attitude. it's sweet and i think it plays to his character well- but only as a general persona and not as his like "one true character" bit. he has facets, he has different faces he shows to certain people, and that doesnt make any one of them any more real or false than the other. he's not going to bring the same level of intensity he might have with batman to a random civilian. he's not going to make silly mistakes and laugh at himself like he would with the titans in front of batman (well sometimes, but i think there's a difference in how he feels/acts around both that it can be percieved)
and i also like the abstract concept of a much younger, freshly traumatized dick grayson. it's a very compelling first look at his character, the first one anyone ever gets to see of him, including himself! i like the idea of this raw, potent, violent anger being something dick is also newly discovering. i like the idea of self-realization through anger and grief as a propelling force, not only between himself and bruce, but also how he chooses to act to and in the world from then on. it's a beautiful progression of horrible grief, aching, festering anger, and then a gradual evolution into someone who still feels things powerfully but can now decide how he wants to portray those feelings and how to act on them. it's especially compelling when he reverts back to that instinctual anger again when he's overwhelmed and stressed, something that doesn't happen frequently in his adult self
however.
if we are describing these qualities as flat "himbo adult" and "feral baby", then i would just never interact ever again because they are so lacking and so boring-- ive always wondered if people who genuinely enjoy such basic character interpretations even enjoy complexity and how that affects how they interact with people irl
but, ultimately, to answer your question anon, i dislike himbo adult dick grayson more. it infantilizes him so much and disregards his years of expertise, ability, and emotional growth to the point of making him an entirely different character. i honestly am not sure when this characterization of him got started or got popular because its so absurd and different from his real character. i get the feeling it was just another instance of people wanting to assign each of the bat-family members a certain role, and since "intelligent" was relegated to tim, "brute/strong" to jason, and then "feral" to damian, the only "personality" left over was cinnamon roll. eurgh
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