#fable theory

[d1sc0-1nfern0]

Wild theory just hang on with me for a minute :

Fable already killed Ven once.

Think about it :

1. Ven is the same age as he was when he conveniently dropped off the face of the earth and STILL has no memories of the time between the war and his sudden appearance in s2.

2. Wolf at least has an explanation why he's younger than he should be (was dog). And everyone else clearly aged normally during the resets (Athena aged normally for their species and the World sisters don't age). So what happened to Ven?

3. The last correspondence we have from Ven clearly states that his life is in danger, that Fable is going to kill them very very soon.

4. Fable has revived Icarus many, many times using "As It Is."

Theory: Fable killed Ven a long time ago, and revived him like he did Icarus. Thanks to Ven's memory issues, they wouldn't remember their death and would thus still be loyal and incredibly helpful for when Fable got out (which he intended to do that reset.)

I think he'd have zero qualms about doing it again, too, if he wasn't already desperate for allies. Maybe he still will if he's enough of an idiot (he is).

[terrymelody]

FABLE TRAILER FABLE TRAILER FABLE TRAILER

WE WON GANG AND I ALREADY HAVE A THEORY.

My friend and I had a rant after we saw the trailer cuz she is the only person I know who likes the game. And I was rewatching the trailer for the 10000th time and I noticed something. Every npc that the player talks to speaks in some way. All except one, the guy who puts his hand on the hero’s shoulder when Humphrey says ‘chancers’.

Now.

I might be being delusional. Or too in love to accept anything else. But I KNOW THAT PRETTY BROWN HAIR. I KNOW THAT NOSE. And I am CONVINCED that that mf has to be my boy Reaver.

He is the only npc that doesn’t speak, even the player speaks. Reaver has the most recognisable voice in the entire franchise (Therese being closely behind) thanks to the goat that is Stephen Fry. If Reaver was in the game they wouldn’t show any voice lines, they’d wanna have a semi big reveal like they did in Fable 3. Leaving hints throughout the game before they introduce him into the story.

And with this game being set before 2 (the guild being very much alive and very much not burned) this potentially being Reaver means that’ll be before Oakvale burned. MEANING WE MIGHT SEE IT.

And the hand on shoulder? The look? THE SUNSET? ROMANTIC MUCH?

WHAT IF???? JUST WHAT IF???? The ‘her’ that Reaver talks about in his diary entries in Fable 2 is the hero we play as in this game. It’s not as likely mainly because we don’t know if the hero will be strictly female, we may get a gender selection. But imagine!!!!! I will take any excuse to romance reaver! Even if that means I’ll be killed in a town spread fire after he sacrificed me to stay a pretty boy forever!

REAVER! I SEE YOU!

[queerfables]

There's a story of questionable veracity about Harry Houdini performing an escape in which his wife passes him a key with a kiss.

I keep thinking about this story when I think about the kiss Crowley and Aziraphale share.

For me, it comes down to this: the fight between them is real. It has to be, because handwaving such an emotional scene as "for show" would be deeply unsatisfying. On top of that, it's consistent with the flawed beliefs that each of them carry. Crowley wants to run away to the stars, Aziraphale wants to Speak to the Manager about Heaven. There's no reason to think the scene is a lie, because if they were both telling the truth, that's what it would look like.

And yet. In a season that's all about misdirection and performance, I can't help but think there's something more going on. I haven't been fully convinced by any theory I've come across yet, including my own, but I do think there's an undeniable sense of waiting, of watching for the twist.

If the fight was real then where is the performance? Could the kiss have been real, and still misdirection? It's all an appeal, Crowley begging Aziraphale to stay, but maybe it's something else too. Maybe it's, stay, please stay, but if you won't, at least hold onto a way back to me. I'm not gonna pretend I know anything for sure. I just keep thinking about Houdini's wife kissing him, and slipping him a key.

As for what Crowley might have given Aziraphale, all I have is speculation. I've thought about this a lot and I can't come up with anything obvious placed earlier in the story that might help. But if I were going to guess? I'd say Crowley gave him the same thing he asked Aziraphale for back in 1862.

Insurance.

[d1sc0-1nfern0]

I HAVE BEEN THEORIZING ABOUT THIS FOR WEEKS NOW. SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT I’M NOT CRAZY FOR CONNECTING THESE DOTS LETS GO.

I have avoided saying anything because I felt like it was too out there of a theory but but but-

There are so many characters that would fit perfectly as gods with how their stories have developed. Like…so perfectly. I have a list with explanations and everything. And we lost so many gods in the war and resets..why not fill the ranks back out?

Also Centross is a psychopomp of some kind and you can’t convince me otherwise. I was thinking Redemption or something, but Change is a good theory, too.

Y’all I went full Rae sign arc on 5 full sheets of paper yesterday theorizing. I’m doing great.

Spoilers for Cathedral of War lore

I finally watched centross pov of the cutscene and man I love this so much.

I have had a theory for a bit now, since we know Mortal people can become minor gods and have to die to do so, what if that is how Fable smp ends. What if Fable smp ends with them becoming minor gods and well with how the lore ended it doesn't seem that strange anymore...

maybe not everyone will become a minor god, most likely not ocie and momboo but I can still see it happen for many.

As sad as I will be when Fable SMP ends. I am honestly already so excited for the S3 or just entire smp QnA stream.

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guys. guys.

god of change Centross?!

[ya-boi-haru]

As an enjoyer of those hour/s long ramble/facts/explaining videos, I think Fable fans (and creators) should make some based on Fable.

Give me *all* your headcannons, all your thoughts, give me your essays on characters, plots, arcs

ALL THE CONTENT-

[panpanix]

Spoilers for fable smp s2 I guess

so I just learned Rae is the child of Enderian and Sherbert is the child of fable. Since Athena is the child of nethrum I think that Luce is Allerion AND that Will is his child since I guess the gods are all simps. Also dam I never thought I would like c!Centross at the beginning but god damnit he’s growing on me tbh

[chronicallysmalll]

AHHHHH SO EXCITED FOR ECHOES OF WISDOM!!!!!!

Here’s something I was thinking about?

Is it just me or does the Zelda from Echoes of Wisdom look very similar to a previously seen Zelda design?

(This really only makes sense for linked universe fans) Between the alike designs and similar game style to links awakening, are we having an adventure centered around Legend and Fable from the downfall timeline? Or do yall think there is a new vein of hero’s/Zeldas being born from this game?

I mean- the siblings headcannon would really make this killer since now we would have both royal siblings taking an adventurer/hero role

(Aka badass royal twins)

Also I know it would be more Fables adventure, but also it kind of creates yet ANOTHER adventure/altercation for Legends story

Anyways I’m convinced this is a downfall timeline game cuz of the art style 😋

(So excited omg)

[jvstbrokenglassss]

maybe Fable never actually cared about bringing people back to life. at least not in any emotional way. He created humans. it's his fault they're mortal. the Aether was a safe haven for the departed souls to go to. but it was away from the overworld, and away from Fable's domain. it was never about grief. maybe it was always just a need for control

[burnt-outtransgender]

What if the wack is Icarus, not Quixis

Hear me out:

When Icarus burned the Ominous banners, it reminded them of Ominous bane, making the banners appear.

When they apologized to Rae, orchids appeared, the symbol of their connection.

Icarus can’t do what Fable does because they don’t have control of their powers.

In Sherb’s CMV “gold”, Quixis takes their hands away from the colorful wall and suddenly Icarus falls out of the sky with their wings changing.

I think Quixis is holding back Icarus’s powers until they figure out how to use them properly and/or so Fable can’t weaponize Icarus or so they don’t hurt themselves. (Maybe because that’s what Quixis wished someone did for them)

[lemonduckisnowawake]

Over the Garden Wall is SUCH a fascinating show to me for a myriad of reasons. But one of the things that stuck with me was the symbolism of the Woodsman and his lantern. TW for discussions on grief and unhealthy coping mechanisms (that I might get wrong, just as a warning).

I'm sure this has been said before, but to me it's just such a fascinating representation of how we unintentionally keep despair alive by clinging to our overwhelming grief of those we lost. Maybe I'm misinterpreting something or looking too deeply into it, but it's just. The lantern that the Woodsman keeps lighting in the hopes that his daughter's soul will be kept alive through it is, in actuality, keeping the Beast alive. And in a similar way I've read tales and actually studied grief theories about how people keep the memory of their loved one alive; at first, it's a good thing, and it can take however long or short you need to it be since grief seems to be something that generally never really goes away.

But there can come a point where all you live for is the dead, which is what the Woodsman was doing in laboring day and night to keep the lantern alive. And in doing so, you start to poison yourself and, rather than keeping the person you lost in living memory, you start to keep alive the despair and darkness. You start to keep alive the Beast rather than the soul of your daughter, in other words. Sometimes, it's intentional, though. "If I let go of this despair and anguish of mine, doesn't that mean I'll forever lose that person I loved?" And sometimes, it's unintentional.

The conclusion of it is that you have to let them go...you have to let that despair (not grief, but the poisonous and hopeless grief) go. Maybe, like Wirt did, through unflinching practicality and sheer knowledge rather than emotion. Or something else. But maybe, then, you'll find that when the lantern of your despair is gone, it'll be dark at first but you'll slowly start to see a grander light. And maybe, you'll find that your daughter is still alive anyway, in the light rather than in the darkness.

[d1sc0-1nfern0]

Philosophy With Disco: The Importance of Death in a World with Immortality (And Subsequently Why Fable is an Idiot)

On Fable SMP, Fable is on the warpath in a grief-driven, mad attempt to usurp the primordials and end death forever. This is single-handedly the worst thing he could do for himself, the other gods, and the world as a whole, and it all comes down to how the finite nature of death is vital in a world with immortality. This is a long one, so get comfy.

Immortality is a curse. To us mortals, it seems like the most amazing thing ever, but when you actually stop and think about it, immortality is a miserable existence. There are no stakes. Unless you are killed, you will live forever. Anything you create will rot and fall apart, so you won’t be able to enjoy it forever. There’s only so many skills you can develop in an eternity. Boredom is inevitable. Eternity stretches on forever. There are no deadlines, no concrete timeline. Every day is the same, weeks pass without noticing, centuries drift by as easily as a leaf in the wind, because there’s nothing to hold on to. Nothing will last except for you, the immortal, a constant presence in an ever shifting landscape, a pointless permanence.

You see, in a world where there are beings who live forever, the introduction of beings who don’t live forever is crucial. An immortal needs someone else to focus on, something fleeting and temporary and interactable to take their focus off their own impending eternity, something to give life meaning. Mortals live for such a short time, a blink of an eye for an immortal, yet they live and love and laugh and cry and then they’re gone. Caring for mortals and assisting them is the most fulfilling thing an immortal can do.

The immortal won’t be able to enjoy art for eternity, but several generations of mortals will. The immortal doesn’t need food or water to sustain themself, but mortals rely on it. The powers of an immortal don’t seem like anything spectacular, but to mortals they’re an awe-inspiring, terrifying force worthy of respect.

To mortals, an immortal force brings help in trouble and feelings of safety, protection, and a reason to come together in communities. To immortals, mortal life brings meaning, urgency, and a tangible timeline to disrupt the mind-numbing monotony of eternity. They are mutually beneficial.

The most common trap that gods fall into is the trap of thinking of mortal beings as “lesser,” but that couldn’t be further from the truth. To immortals, mortal beings are the most important thing in existence. In fact, it's safe to say that immortals need mortals more than those mortals need them. Interestingly, Fable has the opposite problem. Fable absolutely adores the mortals he created with every fiber of his being. But that love blinded him, and he lost sight of the reason mortals are necessary to begin with. His love turned obsessive, similarly to Perix but infinitely more destructive, as his desperate drive to save the mortals he loves from their inevitable fates upends the system that kept the immortal world stable to begin with.

At least, that’s my thoughts, and I’d love to hear what others have to say about it. :)

[nagarashi]

Oh my gosh, that sounds great..... I want it to be true.

Imagine seeing the same Reaver still so-- alive, not violent, soft. And then to see his heart die with "her" in the fire... * theatrically holding her breath*.

Most likely our hopes will be shattered by reality, but... suddenly.

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WE WON GANG AND I ALREADY HAVE A THEORY.

My friend and I had a rant after we saw the trailer cuz she is the only person I know who likes the game. And I was rewatching the trailer for the 10000th time and I noticed something. Every npc that the player talks to speaks in some way. All except one, the guy who puts his hand on the hero’s shoulder when Humphrey says ‘chancers’.

Now.

I might be being delusional. Or too in love to accept anything else. But I KNOW THAT PRETTY BROWN HAIR. I KNOW THAT NOSE. And I am CONVINCED that that mf has to be my boy Reaver.

He is the only npc that doesn’t speak, even the player speaks. Reaver has the most recognisable voice in the entire franchise (Therese being closely behind) thanks to the goat that is Stephen Fry. If Reaver was in the game they wouldn’t show any voice lines, they’d wanna have a semi big reveal like they did in Fable 3. Leaving hints throughout the game before they introduce him into the story.

And with this game being set before 2 (the guild being very much alive and very much not burned) this potentially being Reaver means that’ll be before Oakvale burned. MEANING WE MIGHT SEE IT.

And the hand on shoulder? The look? THE SUNSET? ROMANTIC MUCH?

WHAT IF???? JUST WHAT IF???? The ‘her’ that Reaver talks about in his diary entries in Fable 2 is the hero we play as in this game. It’s not as likely mainly because we don’t know if the hero will be strictly female, we may get a gender selection. But imagine!!!!! I will take any excuse to romance reaver! Even if that means I’ll be killed in a town spread fire after he sacrificed me to stay a pretty boy forever!

REAVER! I SEE YOU!

[queerfables]

A dash of nutmeg...

Look I feel a bit like I'm throwing soup at a dart board and calling it analysis, but I have some thoughts about Aziraphale's magic words in episode 4, and it's going to kill me if I don't share.

The thing is, these words have been nagging at me since I heard them. They sounded familiar, and I've been trying to figure out why. Today, it finally clicked.

Banana. Fish. Gorilla.

Those initial three words are all key words from Crowley and Aziraphale's drunken conversation about Armageddon. It's right at the start of things, when Crowley convinces Aziraphale to help him stop the world from ending.

We'll start with the fish, because they come up first.

"The point I'm trying to make," [Crowley] said, brightening, "is the dolphins. That's my point." "Kind of fish," said Aziraphale.

Their entire exchange here is hilarious and iconic but I'll try to keep this to the point. After some banter about the difference between fish and mammals, Crowley argues that dolphins don't deserve to be caught in the crossfire when the kraken rises and the seas boil. Which conveniently brings us to:

"Same with gorillas. Whoops, they say, sky gone all red, stars crashing to ground, what they putting in the bananas these days?"

Banana. Fish. Gorilla. It got me curious, so I searched for other places these words show up in the book. There's nothing I think is really significant: a couple of things are described as banana flavoured, fish show up in rains that herald the impending doomsday, gorillas aren't ever mentioned again. If I'm on the right track at all, I think this part is here to signpost a connection between this string of words from the show and the specific moments in the book.

If that's true, it must be pointing to something. What's left? Shoe lace and nutmeg.

Shoe lace.

The word "shoelace" isn't actually in Good Omens. Neither is "shoe lace" with a space in between. There's a couple of unremarkable descriptions involving shoes, and one miraculously conjured lace handkerchief, and then - and then. Right at the very end of the story, we have Adam, grounded by his parents, being described as "a scruffy Napoleon with his laces trailing, exiled to a rose-trellissed Elba". It's tenuous. I could dismiss that as nothing. Except Adam's laces show up again, and it's the very last passage of the book.

If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boy and his dog and his friends. And a summer that never ends. And if you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot . . . no, imagine a sneaker, laces trailing, kicking a pebble; imagine a stick, to poke at interesting things, and throw for a dog that may or may not decide to retrieve it; imagine a tuneless whistle, pounding some luckless popular song into insensibility; imagine a figure, half angel, half devil, all human . . . Slouching hopefully towards Tadfield . . . . . . forever.

I'm not ready to say much about what I think the significance of this passage might be. But an allusion to the book's ending does feel significant, doesn't it?

The one thing I will say, for people who may not know, is that this passage is riffing on a line from Orwell's 1984. The line it's playing on is a lot darker: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever." I think it's probably relevant that this is referencing a book about a totalitarian regime. I also think it's probably relevant that it's taking that reference and twisting it into something much sweeter, more optimistic and empowered.

I'm still thinking through all the connections and implications, though.

Nutmeg.

And that brings us to "nutmeg". I have to be honest, I wasn't hopeful. I didn't remember any references to it and if I were betting, I wouldn't have put money on it appearing in the book at all. But the word does show up, and it shows up exactly once. Crowley is reminiscing about a cocktail he had once, made out of fermented date-palms. It's part of a conversation with Aziraphale, where they discuss losing the Antichrist. And here's the really interesting part:

"You said it was him!" moaned Aziraphale, abstractedly picking the final lump of cream-cake from his lapel. He licked his fingers clean. "It was him," said Crowley. "I mean, I should know, shouldn't I?" "Then someone else must be interfering." "There isn't anyone else! There's just us, right? Good and Evil. One side or the other." He thumped the steering wheel. "You'll be amazed at the kind of things they can do to you, down there," he said. "I imagine they're very similar to the sort of things they can do to one up there," said Aziraphale. "Come off it. Your lot get ineffable mercy," said Crowley sourly. "Yes? Did you ever visit Gomorrah?" "Sure," said the demon. "There was this great little tavern where you could get these terrific fermented date-palm cocktails with nutmeg and crushed lemongrass-" "I meant afterwards." "Oh."

Book Aziraphale differs from his characterisation in the show in a few ways, and this is the big one. In the book, Aziraphale is much more cynical about his own side, and much more aware of heaven's flaws. Here, he's convincing Crowley that the threat heaven poses is just as serious as any threat from hell.

If I'm right about any of this, if these nonsense words mean anything at all, I think they are saying that heaven and hell are two sides of the same very nasty coin, and more to the point, that maybe Aziraphale is more aware of it than he seems.

I need to think about this more, still. I'm not sure if I really think this connection is something, and if it is, I'm still figuring out what sorts of conclusions we might draw from it. But if the script is trying to point us to these three sections of the book, maybe there's a deeper analysis to be had here.

I do think it's interesting that the last two words each only show up in one section of the book. It's not like I'm skipping around trying to decide which passage involving shoe laces is most relevant - it shows up twice, only in the last few pages of the book and only in relation to Adam (and in particular, humanising Adam. He's Napoleon in exile, but he's a kid with trailing laces. His future isn't a boot stamping on a human face, it's a sneaker with those same trailing laces - and a stick that his dog can choose whether or not to chase).

I could talk myself in circles on this point, so I guess I've got to open it up to the floor. Am I making something out of nothing with this? Or do you think there could be something here?

[lynxthewolf1]

Spoiler warning for Fable Smp Finale specificity based on Ari’s epilogue cutscene

I have a theory I what happened to Ven and why his face was glitched in the picture of the co-workers. I’m gonna paste the message I sent in the discord spoilers chat.

theoreticly when the world fixed itself and Icuras took the mantle the timeline fixed itself to how it was meant before Mitis(Quixis) changed stuff so Ven died at the time he was suppose to? it makes sense with cc!Ven's discord status (the perfect loop. The finale page.) in my brain the perfect loop. everything comes back around history that was already written as it was and will be set in stone the finale chapter finally being unpaused so the end can be written even if it isn't a happily ever after

This series started with the world resetting itself to a certain point over and over and maybe for c!Ven that’s how it was always meant to truly end the same way the story started

[ya-boi-haru]

Thinking about how Icarus went through everything they did in the finale - and the build up to it - all the while never properly dealing with it, cause they were going *through it.*

How after the finale, they had to mask the truth of their situation to everyone, then quickly say goodbye to his brother and best friend before going to die.

How, even though Icarixis is very happy and proud of their role now, they probably spent the first few years dealing with everything that happened, alone with no way to talk to anyone.

But when Icarus is finished being Quixis, they'll return to Fable (smp) and pick up where they left off, but they've forgotten *all* their time in the WorldPort, including the grieving and coping stages they went through and will have to do it all over again, having felt like it was just yesterday, but at least this time they have their friends and family with them....

[panpanix]

new theories

so I don’t think will was the princess who fell in love with a god (I don’t know how that would work anyway, it was a stupid theory)

my new theory is that orchid (Rae’s mum) was a overworld princess who fell in love with an end god (possibly endarian lol) but then they left to a different realm (the gold/rainbow one with sherb, the blue one or the grey) cuz in notes #3 she says they won’t go to the end nor the nether and that orchid sometimes has a green aura which probably wouldn’t be weird if they were in the overworld

I don’t know what I’m doing but hey

that’s just a theory, a fable theory. Thanks for reading