#etm spoilers

[circusinarun]

Dangerous in the new vengeance saga sounds so vaporwavey! Like... Damn,it's like "blinded by the lights" or smth!

[wolfnight2012]

The way Odysseus smiled when he first heard Polites' voice & seemed to want to lean into it/greet it with open arms until he realized this meant he was fucking dying!

The first thing he EVER feels when hearing Polites' voice is joy!

In "Full Speed Ahead", in "Underworld", & now in "600 Strike"

[sloanslone]

Last saga...

[sonchop]

what to do if you met poseidon (feat odysseus)

1. scream and run ❌️ (nah)

2. beg for mercy ❌️ (no use)

3. poseidon why you know I'm too shy~ ❌️ (nice try but no)

4. conversation ❌️ (would be great but still no use)

5. give up ❌️❌️❌️ (I must see my wife)

6. stab him with his own trident ✅️✅️✅️ (nice and epic choice)

[lavenderfairiez]

my son, I'm finally home!

father, how I've longed to see you!

[the-stars-were-his]

for you.

simpler version under the cut!

[xixovart]

even before the wisdom saga and the love in paradise moment, i always thought that odysseus claiming he’d die for penelope and/or telemachus was kind of. yk. far off? not that he wouldn’t die for them, because he would, that just doesn’t mean much coming from him.

idk if i make sense, but what i mean is the threat of dying isn’t so heavy on odysseus as it is on everyone else. he doesn’t edge away from death. especially after thunder bringer, odysseus would welcome death with open arms (i didn’t realize tyat until i typed it i am so, so sorry. not gonna erase it though. it enhances my point.) it’s not something he fears, it’s something he longs for. he wants to let go. he wants to close his eyes and be done with all this. with the suffering and heartache. so saying he’d die for penelope and telemachus is hardly the sentiment it would be for most people.

now, saying he’d live, that’s another topic.

[pearl-div3r]

" WOULD YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH ME AGAIN ? "

(if you're curious, penelope doesn't have as many details in her outfit and no jewelry to show that in this precise moment, they're not the king and queen of ithaca, but long lost lovers that finally reunited. i hope this makes sense xd)

[enjoy-my-swearing]

ESCAPE THE MINISTRY SPOILER

Clergy spitting facts and we're not talking about it

That is indeed 10/10 material

[feathers-second-face]

Wisdom Saga spoilers kinda-

I just wanted to draw her hurt and bleeding. Because of Zues' lightning thing. Yeah.

Also if shes dead, I will defenestrate my sister.

[bloodyshadow1]

Epic on Stage pt1

so I was thinking if/when Epic the musical becomes an actual musical, specifically for the stage, how would they adapt certain parts, both economically and to show off using the medium to tell their story. I don't know much about theater technology to be honest, so this is purely hypothetical, but it could be done if from what I've seen. There are a lot of amazing animatics from the songs, but the stage is different than something people could draw due to how the songs make them imagine things happening. You need actors and special effects that you don't necessarily have.

I was thinking on stage they could have a piece of cloth in the background as part of the set. Sometimes it just has projections of the set, but it changes when the gods are on stage. Like it just looks like another part of Troy but then you see a monster of a man for Odysseus' vision on the cloth and it becomes Zeus' face as he enforces his will upon Odysseus.

You have whatever the cloth or screen even be something only the gods can effect outside of being a piece of the scenery. They can appear on it or affect it when trying to get a point across.

You could have them projected when they are being godly and larger than life. For example, in "Warrior of the Mind," and her bit at the end of "Remember them" she is portrayed by an actor as she is regal but not angry. Whereas in "My Goodbye" you portray her as mostly as a projection in her godly since she is pissed because she's not his friend/mentor anymore she is the goddess Athena and she is done with him. It also serves to show how detached they are from each other now and the bond they formed when he was just a kid is gone.

For Aeolus in "Keep Your Friends Close," you could have the Actor be quick and energetic moving around Odysseus quickly, maybe on roller skates if they're safe, explaining their challenge. But once the bag is open you see their more godly form on the screen telling Odysseus that he failed and blowing the ships right to Poseidon.

Or they could do the opposite, where they have the gods on the screen for when they are being their divine selves, but have them played by actors when they get more emotional to show that despite their power they are just as flawed as mortals. In "Warrior of the Mind," you have Athena mostly on the screen reminding Odysseus of his purpose because she's supposed to be his larger than life mentor. Then when, "Remember Them" comes in starts, you have the actress in the background until it's her lines to sing. Then she is telling Athena to finish the job as a person on stage to show how their relationship is starting to fray. He is traumatized and not looking to kill while she is disappointed that he didn't finish the job with Polyphemus and it's kind of the last straw with her. Then "My Goodbye" happens and Athena is played by the actress for most of the song because they're both angry and it's better to do that with real people than a projection on the screen. Athena berates him for most of the song, but when he says she's alone, she looks at him in the pause and then starts to walk away as she finishes the song. But the actress is walking off stage and singing her lines, when she gets to the final, "you're just a man," she is off the stage and on the projector as she is joined with the other voices and in her more godly form showing that they are detached now and no longer mentor and student.

It would also show in "Ruthlessness," as you could start the song with Poseidon on the screen, but then have the actor run out in front of Odysseus' actor when things get started. Yes, Poseidon is a powerful god, but during the song you could have his actor toss Odysseus' around the stage like a rag doll to show off the gods power. After Odysseus' nonapology, Poseidon could force Odysseus to look at the screen and they play the damage his is doing to the Ithian fleet, not letting Odysseus look away as punishment. Then when Odysseus opens the bag, the Actor flings themselves backwards and the remember me line is done on the screen with Poseidon's god like form. In "Get in the Water," you portray him as mostly on the screen to show off his power and the threat he presents to Odysseus and Ithaca, but in "Six Hundred Strikes," we see him do battle with Odysseus I think that's what's going to happen but there isn't much to the song yet so I can only assume since it's the climax of the Vengence Saga. I don't know how Odysseus can beat Poseidon, but maybe Athena helps and you could have the gods actors fight with his, but that's a detail for the Jorge not me.

For "God Games," you could have Zeus on the screen, and introduce the other gods as small while Athena is on stage to show off that while she is powerful, she still has to play by Zeus' rules. The other gods are introduced on the screen to show Athena the obstacles she'll have to overcome, but when it gets to their part, they appear on stage to show that they are on the same level. Then when it gets to Zeus' turn as the "final boss" of the song, it's the first time his actor is on the stage as Zeus instead of on the screen to show that Athena survived his trials and gets the honor of facing him one on one of the same level.

I don't know I thought this was a good idea to show off how to use the theater as an aspect of the show as much as the setting. That's the difference between theater and say a tvshow or movie. In a movie you could just have the gods grow with special effects or cgi, but you can't do that with a live performance on a stage. You can make dolls or animatronics of monsters but you can't just cgi them in post and have your actors react to an empty green screen or person in a capture suit in their place.

I also think a balcony could work to an extent, with the gods when they're on the screen to show how they're above mortals and have them on stage when I said they'd be on stage, however I think it would be harder to have them go from high ground to the stage consistently. No matter how short say jumping from a high part of the set to the main stage, consistently jumping and landing is bad for your knees and I wouldn't want to put any of the actors through that. It might be alleviated with wires and harnesses, but I think it's better to not make them jump on and off things regardless.

I don't know if any of this is feasible, I like theater, but I was never a theater kid so I don't know much, but I think this would be a cool idea.

[strawberrysugar71]

Bunnydoll 😍 (Episode 4 Spoilers)

Oh my god I was screaming when he called her Raggy. Dollface, Liquorice Hair, and now Raggy. I cannot wait for Episode 5 & 6 (There's defo gonna be more nicknames/petnames - if you will - in those, too!)

Fighting old married couple?! Like, yes, hello! Gooseworx, Gooseworx! More fighting Bunnydoll, please! (THEY 100% MADE OUT WHEN GANGLE AND ZOOBLE WANDERED OFF)

She hates him so much. LOOK AT THAT.

"Oh my, God, I'm dating an idiot." - Ragatha, probably.

Jax ain't wasting NO TIME in admiring his beautiful wife.

He loves her, really. I can prove it, I promise! Just...uh...give me one hour and forty minutes to analyse the entire show!

Jax does! You're just oblivious, love.

I started crying at this scene.

I think it's important to note that Goose/GLITCH likes to include little easter eggs/secrets in the dubs of the show. E.g. In the German dub the gloinks names are Uzi, V and Cyn.

I say this about this scene specifically because:

@livi-in-digital-circus brought the dubs to my attention before I start waffling about them.I

1

In the Polish dub, Ragatha says: "Ja cie nie lubie? Ale chce zebyś ty lubil mnie." which translates to: "I don't like you? But I want you to like me." I talk about the Polish dub in particular because 'liking someone' can also mean 'having a crush on someone'. In addition, the script could have been "I don't like you." but it's not. There's a '?' at the end, implying that Ragatha is questioning whether she does or does not like Jax.

2

In the Turkish dub, Ragatha says: "Seni- sevmiyorum. Ama benden nefret etme." which translates to: "I don't like you. But don't hate me." Which - going back to how liking someone can mean having a crush on them - could imply that Jax has a crush on Ragatha, and she's aware of that, but she doesn't like him back. But she also doesn't want him to hate her because of it.

3

In the Filipino dub, Ragatha actually doesn't say she hates OR dislikes Jax. She says: "Parang…may galit ako sa'yo? Pero ayaw kong magalit ka sa akin weird ba." which translates to: "It's like… I'm mad at you? I don't want you to be mad at me for being weird." So, basically, she doesn't know if she's mad at him or not. And she's apologising for not knowing.

4

In most of the dubs, Ragatha is questioning whether or whether or not she does hate Jax. Which I personally think is a great for Gooseworx to say "Hey, Bunnydollers, there's no canon romance but that doesn't mean I can't make you tweak out!"

I HIGHLY doubt Ragatha GENUINELY hates Jax. I mean, she was practically high from that idiot sauce. And even though we know she isn't as honest as she seems, I doubt she actually hates anyone. Again, even if she isn't as honest as seems, she doesn't seem to be the type of person to use a word as strong as 'hate' in a genuine way. More like in a way where you'd tell your friends you "hate" them when they do something stupid/immature.

[darklight-owl]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO

OK the Real question is though. Does EPIC have a really good villain Song? And is there a chance for it to do the unthinkable and surpass my current favorite musical villain Song of like 5 years by now?

Tarn it's Homer's Odyssey as in "guy on a boat can't catch a break from scary monsters and gods being dicks". If we're using the term villain song to refer to antagonist "ooo look at me i'm so evil" type songs well. There's like 5 villain songs and the thing isn't even complete yet (there's 30 out of 40 songs released so far i think? Not sure i only got into it a few days ago)

Out of those I think Ruthlessness, Scylla and Thunder Bringer go extremely hard and have the most bad-guy vibes out of all of them. But that's my own bias tbh (i included Scylla bc i like it lmao she's an extremely minor character. L+ratio+drown in your sorrow and fears+Choke on your blood and your tears+bleed 'til you've run out of years)

Anyway yes i think so

[sloanslone]

Merry Ithaca Saga beloved sloanslone!!!!! Let us all weep together waaaagheueueueueu 😭

I love you and your art <3

TT merry ithica saga to you guys too!! I love you guys 🙏

Quick Odypen doodle for U!!

Got a chemistry test tmrw😭 wish me luck plz🗿

[sonchop]

poseidon in "get in the water x 600 strike" be like:

I came back with a meme

[batslime]

Re-examining Hunter’s Moon after Rite Here Rite Now

For quite some time now Terzo’s resurrection and people’s excessive speculation and desperation for it has been a meme. When Hunter’s Moon came out, many interpreted it as being from Papa Emeritus III’s perspective- his warning to Sister Imperator that he would be back, and likely for revenge.

Rite Here Rite Now may have lent this some credence. Or you can consider this a jumble of more desperate speculative nonsense. This is all just for fun.

WARNING for heavy Rite Here Rite Now spoilers‼️

First things first: the major events of Rite Here Rite Now.

Copia, now Brother Imperator, is alive and now the head of the ministry. Sister Imperator has died. Copia has a twin, who may or may not be the “new guy” we see the mitre-wearing silhouette of in the very last shot of the film, cut off just before making his entrance.

Secondly, to get it out of the way- this may NOT be Terzo. This could very well be a whole new character! But here is my observation looking at all this in conjunction with Hunter’s Moon and other recent Ghost tidbits.

First, Hunter’s Moon. People have talked since it first came out about it possibly being from Terzo’s perspective and as a threat that he’s coming back for revenge. But now some of the lyrics resonate a little heavier with the lore.

Specifically the line “to where we’d hide as children” REALLY grabs my attention now. My mind goes back to the shot from behind of the two children running together in RHRN, inferably Copia and whoever the twin is (we are assuming Terzo for the sake of this theory). Again, this could be a character we haven’t been introduced to- but we have no reason to believe Copia’s twin died and the lyrics implies somebody coming back from the dead with the second verse. “It’s been a long time coming” rings especially true for Terzo because now it’s been YEARS since he was killed and even longer since he was dragged offstage. The lyrics about being jaded and not remembering everything could even be about him being dead for so long that it’s effected his memory- maybe he even forgot his own identity and that he even was Papa, hence him coming back as a “new guy”?

I’d also like to bring attention to the bridge. I know not everybody has seen a translation for it.

More lyrics about hiding. Hiding in the cemetery in the verses, death, life, Sister, hiding, and conquering in the bridge. There are people who saw Terzo’s foot twitch in Chapter 3 while he was being embalmed and wondered if he was dead at all. I really believe this was just something for comedic effect but what if he was hiding somehow the whole time?

Even if we push aside all other characters and theories, “your death, my life” specifically ties this song to the lore for me. Sister died so that Copia could go on and rise to a new level in the clergy. But I have also already seen people talking about Sister’s death meaning Terzo coming back to life in the case that he is also her son.

But Hunter’s Moon isn’t the only thing I’m seeing connections to since seeing the movie.

At the end of the film as we see Copia as Brother Imperator for the first time, in his new garb, preparing to welcome New Guy, the first thing he says,

“We seem to have remodeled here.”

They were remodeling in the Escape the Ministry game.

ETM gives us the tidbit that the statues introduced in the renovation are believed by some (in-world) to be a kind of conduit you can use to summon a Papa’s spirit to the mortal plane (and we know that Nihil’s spirit can posess his body, albeit temporarily ). While the statues of Primo, Secondo, and Nihil have notes that talk about what music they like or enjoying watching tv, Terzo’s specifies of all things that there was no autopsy on his body.

Also worth mentioning; there is still an empty pedestal meant for a statue (is Sister getting one?)

And in the room behind Terzo’s statue, is a bunch of nooses. Each room has something to do with one of the songs on the Phantomime EP, this one being Hanging Around, but this note was also in there any wasn’t really used in any of the puzzles in the game.

Primo’s note does specify that they were “forced into retirement from life” by Sister, Nihil, and The Clergy. Sounds like a revenge list to me!

(I also cannot help but point out that in the shot of Copia mentioning the remodel, there is vibrant purple lighting behind him like in Terzo’s chasuble.)

There’s also the gag with Copia being surrounded by Ghosts and talking to them but the janitor comes down the hall and cannot hear or see them. Is being able to sense the ghosts an Emeritus thing? Something higher members of the clergy, maybe with higher powers can do? Can ghosts control who can see or hear them? If the other three Papas do have ghosts, this could be why we haven’t seen them at all- they view most of the people in the ministry as their traitors and murderers. So maybe they really ARE hiding somewhere.

One last thing I will bring up, and this is PURELY rumor, but I did hear that there was chatter at Download about a possible fall tour from Ghost.

The Hunter’s Moon this year will be Thursday, October 17th.

Of course this is all just for fun and it may not mean anything at the end of the day! The ghovie and its sudden end left us all with a lot of excitement for more so my mind has been running ever since I saw it. There is definitely stuff that is becoming more tangibly tied to the actual plot of Ghost in my opinion.

If you guys have anything to add or a different theory I’d love to hear it!

@fagdykemuppet