#epilouges meat

[lugagl]

reading the epilogues,, currently thoughts under cut. spoilers for the homestuck epilogues/homestuck as a whole, duh.

urhh,, im thinkin i love the epilogues (theyre so bad theyre good in my heart.. theyre so insanely bad that my brains like "omg,, wow! its hot garbage!" but then again im only on page two so it may go all downhill)

also, minor epilouge spoiler i thought was funny as hell bellow vv

and then soon after dave comes out the woodworks with the most out of pocket bullshit dude wtff im sobbing

waaa i'll try and live blog more once i get home, im at school rn so yeah. when i get home i'll try and live blog the shit out of this.

[marstonator]

Hidden spot for hidden duties, headcanons

At the end of undead nightmare, John sleeps in the rafters of his barn, and it gives me some ideas for RDR2 Epilouge John

-He's got a hidden spot to sleep or beat his meat without anyone knowing. This is a bedroll behind some haybales in the corner.

-Jack heard him 'busy' once while looking for a secluded spot to read and brushed it off as he knows his father is a weirdo.

-Abigail knows john has a hard time controlling his urges, so she knows he's got a hidden spot for it somewhere. Where, she doesn't know.

Sorry, this isn't that great, I'm not as good as some people on this site at writing. But I do still try. 🥺

[eldragon-x]

Y'know something I especially appreciate about loop is that I'd expect a character of their archetype to just be the flamboyant funnyguy side character who has no depth in any other game. And the thing is I love that archetype but I also love when characters have meat so they actually stick with me and I can think about them. And at first you think maybe they are just another generic annoying funnyguy. but they do get genuine moments throughout the game and then the epilouge is like lol. kills you with one million hammers

[val---ium]

gonna give my take on the homestuck epilouges and hs^2/hs:bc since it's been such a talking point since the upd8 a couple days ago

so looking at the two from a meta perspective they suck, both are horribly written with some of the worst characterization of pre-existing characters I've ever seen. hs:bc has gotten better since the new team has been brought on, but they still have to deal with the mess the old team left.

and these are totally valid to think and critize the two for being, but, very big but, you need to realize that the epilouges and hs:bc are not and will never be homestuck 2, it is stated in the very opening of the epilouges that what happens there is beyond canon, it's not canon anymore, they no one is being guided by paradox space anymore, that's what causes the candy and meat split.

the point I'm trying to make is that I feel like everyone is taking the epilouges and hs:bc WAY too seriously. it's fine if you do, but getting mad over licensed fanfic won't get anyone anywhere. if you're just having fun reading new homestuck in 2024, awesome. I am too, but if you're not, then stop reading it, no one is making you, you can very easily still participate in the Fandom by just ignoring everything after the original comic ended, plenty of people do that.

I'm hoping the next upd8 or few aren't as polarizing as the latest one seemed cause that's what cause the original halt of hs:bc with the original team.

I'm rambling now, so moral of the story: have fun reading hs:bc because that's what it's supposed to be, it has zero bearing on the original comic

I'm done

[pinocchiossvicess]

JOHN EGBERT! :B!!

been reading the epilouges, that shit is WILD. the fuck is up with gamzee and his bottles? might drop art once i finish. i'm barely about to finish camdy, and then all i got left is meat. haven't been able to draw much..been to focused on this daily account im running on twitter or X or whatever..

[canon-divergence]

Not until after you finish the dub, no. The epilouge has major spoilers for, like, everything.

,,,o h,,

i heard its split between meat n candy

kinda tempted to go with candy first once im done cuz i like sweet scents,,,

[nekropsii]

HI ITS ME. GUY WHO HAS A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON MEAT!ROXY. despite how i. admitedly dislike how they HANDLED meat roxy, i cant help but hold a certain... appreciation? fur transmasc roxy. i dont know a lot of canon transmasc characters. most of the time the people i s33 even headcanoned as transmasc-... dont match my experiences. roxy has ALWAYS been my favorite. i love her xomplex relationship with rose and addiction and her friends. i could rel8 to being- idk if hyperfem is the word but? before i transitioned i was deff a very girly-girl. and in my early transition stages i really thought i was faking bc no one ever made content with characters like that./ i love roxy so much, and it was so nice to see my fave character being canonically transmasc, and it reely hurts to see people constantly talking aboat how much they HATE it. i get it! i get how much it sucks to have a popular hc invalidated! but... transmasc roxy has always meant a lot to me- in ways i cant explain w/o delving into some personal stuff. idk, i just. sighs. this came out a lot less coherrent than id like, but even tho i have troubles with how hs2/the epilouges were handled... i reely did like that. i think hs2 is a compilation of good ideas and wasted purrtential, and i wishmore ppl would try and explore that instead of writingmit off and criticizing efurryone who wants to engage in it

Yeah. The handling is definitely one of the biggest factors that ruins it. A lot of Post-Canon is hugely mishandled, and meat!Roxy is no exception to this. The other biggest factor that ruins it is that it was put in official material.

I obviously don't hate the idea of a hyperfeminine person realizing they're transmasculine, or a hypermasculine person realizing they're transfeminine. Those are real experiences that people have, and they deserve to be touched upon. People with those experiences get very, very little representation. I said this before, but I have no ill feelings towards people who like meat!Roxy. It lines up with some people's experiences more than some other portrayals of transition, and therefore some people will gravitate towards it because of its rare factor of relatability to them.

The thing about it is that the writers were never going to get the handling of it right. The Post-Canon writers are not good at their job, they have too much to live up to, and it really seems as though the move was made to spite that widely accepted notion that Roxy is a trans girl- something that has some very real backing within the text of canon. Transmasculine Roxy... Isn't an inherently bad idea! It really isn't. But it is a bad idea to not only confirm a character's previously up-in-the-air birth sex- something that directly goes against one of the most widely accepted transfeminine headcanons of all time- and then proceed to make that character trans in the other direction... While completely sucking the soul out of that character.

Transmasculine Roxy is a fine idea. It's just not one that's able to ever be comfortably explored in a piece of official material. It's perfectly okay for fanworks and personal interpretation, but it doesn't have a sound place in canon just due to the optics of it. It's just too contrarian. And while some people may not care, a lot more people will, and a lot more people do. Too many people care for it to be a good idea to canonize in any regard, no matter what level of eggshells the writers walk on.

And while that may seem like an apocalyptically grim statement to make... That really is just how writing for an audience works. It might suck sometimes, but it's how it is.

TL;DR: Yeah, you liking meat!Roxy is completely valid and I do not blame you whatsoever. More power to you! Major respect! It was just massively fucking mishandled, and handling it at all in official material was just a bad idea. It was a concept that was most likely born out of spite, and destined to fail. Justice for transmasc!Roxy, by the way. Why the fuck did they turn Roxy into an entirely different character? All the charm of Roxy's character was really just lost the moment they made 'em transition. That's one of my least favorite tropes ever. I hate it here.

[hiveswap]

I just read the first conversation between terezi and john and i cannot stop thinking about how john is going to die after fucking her in his dad's car in the epilouges (meat timeline). Fucking bullshit. I hate the epilouges

[lucindarobinsonvevo]

had this idea for a fic a while ago where dylan’s skydiving career takes a nose dive after one of the people’s he’s teaching dies on his watch. in a fit of desperation to avoid going to jail and never seeing his kids again he sacrifices his pride and calls paul to ask for help. paul of course flies right to cains on the first red eye flight and spares no expense to help. the real meat and potatoes of the fic is after Paul’s lawyer uses evidence Paul found to find Dylan not guilty and after awkwardly asking Paul to stay for Christmas (they’re...friends? again. or, dylan hates him less anyway) and offers to take him skydiving which Paul agrees too on account of his failing marriage back home and not wanting to face his kids in New York about it. 

The skydiving scene is literally just an extended metaphore for how Dylan feels about Paul. in freefall. he’s going to crash if he does nothing but he wants to keep going as long as he can that sort of thing. Eventually when they make it back to Paul’s unit Dylan decides to make a move and they kiss. havent decided if i would bother to make it r-rated or just leave it there. idk i also like the idea of an epilouge where Paul takes over narration and muses about relationships and all the times he’s tried to remake Dylan and failed and it’s because none of them would ever make him feel about them the way he felt (feels?) about Dylan. Paul uses the skydiving metaphore -- He’s going to crash one way or another, but if he has a choice at all he’d prefer Dylan. Then he schedules a phone call with his kids and starts browsing gifts for Dylan’s children. 

[princelyjuggalo]

jake tried to celebrate his birthday on his pumpkin patch show but dirk got him with the tranquilizer as soon as he brought it up on the air

[rinmarye]

sometimes it feels a little too similar.

[tales-of-dubious-authenticity]

@sp3g i hope you dont mind me posting and at-ing you, i cant reply in the comments with my sideblog

i actually- i really love this?? i think youre right because when dirk was trying to bribe terezi to come with him, he told her that he had the means to bring john back to life and give him relevance again.

considering dirk’s abilities dont extend to resurrecting the dead, and sburb’s old selling point to the kids was that they could bring back the dead in game. at least that was talked a lot about in the beginning of the og comic. i think that dirks plan for bringing john back has to be the sprites. unlike rose, there’s no conciousness he can tether to a robot. so i dont see what else he could have been planning.

now the idea that john would get to be terezi’s sprite kills me. could you imagine john who was kind of floating around in the game and not really knowing what was happening mechanically, suddenly getting all this knowledge? i feel like he wouldnt be able to shut up and relate everything to movie puns still but theyd be constantly relevant to the circumstance. do you think the animal he could get mixed with could end up being one the weird creations from rose or dirk? because i dont know what other life forms are on the planet they chose

[glitchcoreremixdotart]

Finally did a kids line up!

[val---ium]

I think the only way to ingest the epilouges without dying is by viewing through the "post-canon" lens very purposefully. nothing is canon anymore, so everything starts falling apart, literally in the case of the meat timeline, and everything falls apart in the candy timeline because it shouldn't exist. the candy timeline earth-c is really no different than any other doomed timeline. The only difference is that there is no sburb session to make it clear.

none of this changes that they're poorly written and abrasive and just kinda weird, but it makes reading them more tolerable probably

[museofvoid]

everytime i see a picture of the hades game guy i think it’s karkat

[elchampwon]

Kinda bad quality but that's normal. Here's a small contribution to the epilogue fan art. I enjoyed the epilogue, and I liked this scene in candy before all the drama began. Just sort of. Relaxed? Yeah. I'll draw more of my favorite scenes so I can practice with digital more.

Edit: I realize there's a line across the image, i think my friend made it. I don't have the motivation to fix it sorry