#do not have discourse over the characters

[lesbianralzarek]

idk what discourse dimension some of you "fandom elders" are stuck in, but in my ~15 years in online (and sometimes irl) fandom spaces, this is the golden age for me

shipping wars have literally always existed and acting like we all used to hold hands and sing kumbaya is insane. "well, there wasnt this moral component thats soooo annoying these days" okay but thats worse. you do see how thats worse, right? people used to tell each other to kill themselves over zutara vs kataang and then not even care when people were racist. twice as mad for reasons half as reasonable. also, where were you all in 2015-2019? that was the era of "steven universe is fascism apologism" and "i headcanon these characters as found family, so its incest to ship them". now shipping "drama" is like "oh i broke mutuals with them after they wrote smut of this child character being assaulted by their parent", which is actually just a normal response

wondering what torment nexus some of you are trapped in where fandom has gotten more toxic? hope you can escape soon, because im having a ball out here in a world where biphobia is seen as a bigger problem than a ship being dumb

[moiraimyths]

Why do you have characters in a romance game that don’t feel romance, that defeats the whole purpose of a romance game. Why would I want to love someone that I know doesn’t actually feel love??

Good evening to all (excluding the attention-seeker in our inbox),

Over the past day or so, we've received a number of asks on the subject of Robin and Keagan (but mostly Keagan's) aromanticism. As you can see, some of these asks may be good-faith inquiries about the differences between the romantic and platonic routes for these particular characters. Others are very obvious attempts to make us walk back Keagan's demiromantic identity (which will not happen), or are otherwise just trying to give us grief for including arospec characters to begin with. We suspect, given the *timing and repetitive phrasing of the asks, that these are all coming from one person, but since the asks are anonymous, we cannot confirm this. Nevertheless, we have decided to share them with our followers, because going forward, we are going to be increasingly selective with the variety of asks that we respond to in order to limit possible "discourse bait," i.e. questions designed to argue with us rather than allow us to explain our thought process or artistic goals. Inevitably, this may mean that well-meaning but tonally ambiguous questions are not answered out of an abundance of caution, which could prompt genuinely good-faith askers to assume we're avoiding tough questions. This is not our goal, but ultimately, this is not a discourse blog. We're independent artists creating a story that we want to tell, first and foremost. If a decision we make ultimately results in you not wanting to support our game, then you are free to take your leave.

-Moirai Myths

*Screenshots were taken at various times but we have ordered them as we received them.

[ileliberte]

The loud and unfriendly discourse about how Eddie is not being proactive, or how he's again making decisions that Chris doesn't want without talking to him and how he never learns...like, he's been trying to talk but neither Chris nor his parents are listening! He doesn't think he has a choice except to take himself back to El Paso because he doesn't want to keep missing more things in Chris' life because he's more miserable missing out on his son's life.

And the reason why he can't force anything else is because he made a mistake and thinks he can't, but it could have been fixed much earlier if his parents hadn't made it impossible to work through it gradually with his son together. They have now helped isolate Eddie from him completely, provided an environment that Chris is happy in for now (that they never cared to do for their son...), while they make sure their son remains miserable and lonely as they keep cutting him off from his son.

Eddie's parents are the issue here, and because they're good grandparents to Chris, it's more complicated than him just storming over and dragging him back. It's only character regression and bad parenting from Eddie if you never liked him in the first place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

like ok sorry but can we cut eddie a little slack. he literally is trying. this is him trying. imagine the situation from his perspective: he fucked up and hurt chris and chris asked to leave so he let him go. it's been three months and the only thing his parents—who have driven into his head for literally his entire life that he is incapable of doing the right thing or making the right decisions—have shown him and told him is that chris is happy there. he has a life there. he's got all this good stuff going for him, stuff eddie didn't or couldn't give him (it's not like his dad was ever around to teach him to play chess). at least chris is answering his calls now, which is more than he got a couple months ago, so he gets to see in real time how settled chris has become. if you were in his position, and terrified of hurting your child again. would you tell your parents to fuck off. would you feel like you could ask your kid to come home. or do anything or say anything that could theoretically make your kid feel even a little bit guilty or worried or upset about his choice to leave because you hurt him. on a human level (and the level of a parent with very real trauma) he's in an impossible position!!! as far as he's concerned the self-punishment has been to stay away from chris altogether when he, as a father, needs his son. of course eddie doesn't want to move to el paso. but the sacrifice here isn't for chris's sake, it's for his own, and he's making it what little information and enormous obstacles (demon parents) he has. yes eddie is doing something objectively crazy. but it's quite literally the only thing he feels like he can do to allow himself. like. a crumb of happiness. be nice to himmmmmmm

[ob-werm]

Thinking about the Disco Elysium Witch Discourse (something I really need to stop doing) and getting hung up on the praise for the game's writing while also lamenting about Harry being another white protagonist. Like, an essential part of Harry's character is that he is white, and the game does a lot to explore that, what it means to be a white police officer in a cosmopolitan city, and how that experience contrasts with Kim's.

Imagine if Harry was black, and the knock-on effect it would have on many of your interactions with Revachol. Imagine how differently the lorry driver or Gary would treat you. Imagine the tonal shift your interactions with Measurehead would take. Imagine what Cuno would call you!

Representation is good, and representation does not need to justify itself, but valuing vapid representation over a deliberate artistic choice that asks and answers interesting questions, just because it does not represent your experiences, is bad, and leads to boring, unoriginal art rising to the surface because it has a rainbow-colored buoy attached to it.

There's definitely a joke that could be made out of the op criticizing the race of Harry, and then advocating for a game whose premise is so white it shows up under a UV light, but I'm tired of thinking about it. Pic unrelated.

[redishsunflowers]

tbh I'm kind of disappointed by the finale, or more like the whole of season two in general.

i think if they couldve had three seasons (idk if it was their choice or not tho) it wouldve been perfect but alas.

first off i dont like that they discarded the whole political side of the show, that was one of the biggest reasons i fell for it, because of the obvious discourse on class differences. but i truly am not that knowledgable on that kind of stuff so if you want more criticism for that part there are definitely a lot of ppl who are giving it.

the biggest thing i couldnt get over is just how chaotic everything was, and it wasnt in a good way. everything happened soo fast, thats why i think 3 seasons wouldve been perfect. i just felt like i knew what was happening in the first season but in the second there were so many time skips and people ive never met before and it was disorienting. it severely took me out of it. i think act 1 was definitely like this a lot, act 2 wasnt so bad tho and im not sure on how i feel abt act 3 yet, that opinion is still developing lol.

another huge criticism i have for season 2 is that we barely get to see vi simply as a character. we see her a bunch, sure, but we see her going on mission after mission immediately and without much exploration of how she is dealing with everything. we get a couple minute montage then boom right back to mission mission mission. i think this started in act 2 and continued through act 3 because act 1 definitely showed her emotions well, while still having her actively on a mission. im definitely comparing her scenes to jinx's and i do understand that jinx is definitely the main character so its not totally fair, but season 1 balanced them so well. it balanced showing vi's character building with jinx's, as well as balancing vi's character building with her mission at hand. it was just slightly (very) disappointing to see her seemingly be put on the back burner. i love jinx so much and i love seeing her and her character building but if they could balance it so well last season, i don't understand why they couldn't have this season.

the last thing i felt a bit sad over was caitvi and their relationship but im gonns talk abt that in a different post teehee ok bye 👋

[elina-sakura]

Okay, there’s a challenge going on, so I figure I’ll go and join in. The challenge is to make a poll with five of your favorite characters from five different fandoms, and then tag five people to see who will come out on top as everyone else’s favorite.

People Tag:

@greenninjaren @alittlemo @draconicsparkle @pixelatedraindrops @keliharuza

[xanderscollection]

"Growing up is realising a (random ship) you loved is actually weird and bad"

Yeah? Is it? Great, I love it even more. The worse it is the Better.

[fiona-fififi]

Looking to get myself in trouble again under the cut, apparently. This is not Tommy friendly, so look away if you like him, please.

But like. okay.

Can someone explain to me based in canon evidence—outside of the fact that he is in a relationship with Buck—WHAT is the appeal of Tommy Kinard? Why is this a character so many people have latched onto? What about him makes people think he's somehow good for Buck/a good person/an interesting character/etc.? What—other than some vague ambiguous "potential" that has yet to be realized after 13 episodes of absolutely nothing—is the appeal of this character?

WHY do people love him so much??

Like, I am truly not trying to be mean here, but WHAT are people seeing? Because there just is absolutely nothing to this character. He is the blandest, most boring love interest we have ever seen on this show. He has no personality at all (except the shitty one from back when he was just an actively terrible person). He has not been built into a single story other than Buck's (and even then, barely). Like, they could have told the same story with a cardboard cutout and I'm not sure a single thing would be different. He's just vaguely there. Doing nothing. Being boring.

[paper-mario-wiki]

i have now watched all of what has been animated of Overlord, here is my review:

okay i'll watch the fifth season but if Renner doesn't act like a fucking freak openly on-screen in at least half of the episodes im gonna be pissed. to be quite frank, and quite self indulgent, there are SO few yandere women that are given proper screentime these days-- and that's in manga AND anime. why is nobody brave enough to go full yuno gasai? what's wrong with these people? have they forgotten one of the core dere archetypes? my god. the only time girls get to act crazy on screen in anime is when they're an abusive guardian, a power ranger tier villain, or traumatized into helplessness. i want to watch someone whose derangement gives her power and i dunno, maybe she wields them selfishly for the one she loves! and that SEEMS like it's whats been promised to me in the 5th season, but ive been wrong before!!! theyve strung me along with the promise of seeing her do some real insane shit with no more than 6ish minutes spread thin over the 1248 minutes of animation the show's runtime has been composed of thus far. but god dammit. im still gonna watch.

anyway, everything else was pretty cool too, at least enough to keep me interested in the meantime. the animation was pretty bad for most of it. but the writing, voice acting, and overall direction were able to keep the story enjoyable despite that. to compare it to another isekai with a similar premise, though executed very differently; the politics are more interesting in this show than in Slime Show, but Slime Show's world feels more consistent, and the events contained within more justified, where Overlord does ass-pulls often. but i like this world too. i like these characters. i like how complicated they are. much of it is very edgy, and it's chock-full of what i'd call "anime bullshit", but that's a seinen story for ya.

my ratings for the seasons are as follows

6/10

7/10

6/10

7/10

Overall verdict:

this show is hard carried by its sprawling cast of deeply insane women, and god dammit they carried my girl-loving ass through 52 episodes. and probably 13-26 more depending on whether or not the studio really does end up wrapping up the story in the next season. due to the shamelessness of this shows content, i don't know that i can think of many people who i would recommend it to without feeling embarrassed about it. HOWEVER. if you're the kind of person who kept reading this because of the multiple mentions of really, really insane women, and that was enough to get you to read this whole thing, you'll like this show. i mean. as long as you can tolerate all of the *blech* Heterosexuality.

[olasketches]

so because we have only three chapters left, I’ve decided that I’m going to wait for the official release instead of going through the leaks as I’ve been doing for… almost the past 2 years. I don’t want the leaks and the fandom discourse to ruin my last experience with jjk as a still ongoing manga… plus I thought it would be more fun and enjoyable this way... more special ig (I’m being so sappy ik) wish me luck guys!!

[sad-endings-suck]

and if I said that lots of mizu/akemi shippers are actually mizu/fem self-insert and mizu/fem oc shippers then what?

[pcktknife]

i cant stand stupid ppl bro

[fromtheseventhhell]

Another round of asoiaf "prettycourse", another round of people ignoring Arya's self-esteem issues and how it relates to her arc because their enjoyment of the series hinges on an 11-year-old being considered ugly.

[essektheylyss]

I don't understand how some folks, both people who like and don't like shadowgast, seem to still want me to believe that Liam "caved" to Caleb and Essek being in a relationship because of fandom pressure and continues to go along with it halfheartedly only because of that even though he secretly hates it.

And meanwhile we have entirely unprompted asides like "Imagine two wizards—" "I do. Often."

[esteebarnes94]

I'm curious.

The different types of self-shipping I'm categorising here (romantic, platonic, and familial) are combined for cases where someone ships with multiple different OCs. If you just ship with one but fall under two categories (such as platonic and romantic), just pick the 'main' or endgame one. QPRs fall under 'other' or whatever you think fits best.

*Self-shipping is the act of 'shipping' yourself or some form of yourself (persona, self-insert, et cetera) with a fictional character. Relationships are most often romantic, but can also be platonic and familial, along with other things like QPRs. In the case of this poll, it's with your own OCs.

**"OC" stand for original character. A character for an existing fandom, or something for a universe you/multiple people have come up with yourself/yourselves.

Putting this here: I don't care who votes in this poll, but for the love of god, don't start discourse here.

[pinkypastal]

Hsr fans try not to call every female character that ever gets screen time waifu bait challenge