#didosdd resources

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[toyym]

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[systemserendipity]

Anybody need help understanding what it means when someone comes out to you as a plural/system/multiple? Or vice-versa? Any plurals out there need help explaining themselves (voluntarily, that is)?

Here's some help! We've broken down our own understanding of our own experiences with plurality here. But, in case that doesn't quite suit your tastes, give these a try! These are the sources for the linked blog post.

The blog and the sources below are mostly focused on traumagenic/disordered plurality, but there's some mixed-origin/endogenic (not originating from solely trauma) stuff in there too. Hope this helps anybody. Stay safe!

Resource/Information Links:

https://www.pluralpride.com/playbook

https://pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/

https://pluralpedia.org/w/System

https://did-research.org/did/alters/systems

https://did-research.org/did/basics/prevalence

https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Mental-Health-Conditions/Dissociative-Disorders

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&q=dissociative+identity+disorder&oq=dissociative+identity+#d=gs_qabs&t=1705121698524&u=%23p%3DD0xSefVKst8Jhttps%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2F%40caelanconrad%3Fsi%3Dfz5VvjRdISJlKE62

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&as_vis=1&q=studies+on+dissociative+disorders+and+plurality&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1705121701671&u=%23p%3DgBqN-mNbr-0J

https://www.lycoming.edu/schemata/pdfs/Sullivan.pdf

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Tulpas_and_Mental_Health_-_A_Study_of_Non-Traumagenic_Plural_Experiences.pdf

[circular-bircular]

Remember when endogenic systems actually used tags dedicated to disorders??

When I first started approaching system spaces, way back around 2015 i think, the OSDD tag was practically unusable from endogenic systems posting there. As time went on, that thankfully stopped, but during like… 2015-2019 era, it was incredibly difficult to find DIDOSDD resources that weren’t also endogenic resources (which, for me, were actively harmful for my recovery in many cases, even if that is not universally true).

Now we’re nearly a fucking decade later, and the reverse is happening aggressively. Anti-endos are completely invading the plural tags, which is not a tag for disordered people — plural is inherently inclusive and was coined to be as such.

But so many people are bitching about endos invading disordered tags… when that isn’t the case.

Systempunk isn’t a disordered tag. It’s an anti-endo tag. You can be as pissed as you want except that you’ve been invading their tag for months. I don’t approve of anyone’s actions, but don’t fucking pretend that systempunk is anywhere close to a disordered tag.

I’m going to keep trying to actually get resources on my disorder. Enjoy spending all of your time hating someone instead of working on your own recovery.

[moonpool-system]

The amount of times we go looking for help for disordered systems and think we've found a good place, then it turns out they hate our existence for not conforming to their ideals. I know DIDOSDD spaces want us gone, but it'd be nice to not be reminded of it four times in one day? idk. It makes us fear we're never going to get help. If it weren't for sysmeds maybe we'd have a supportive community. Maybe we'd have resources to get the assistance we need, from someone that doesn't shackle our autonomy.

It's pretty depressing when the resources for your disorder are all passed on by people who'd rather a good chunk of your system stop existing.

[cozza-frenzy]

Hi I'm too nervous to do it off anon but im 15 and think I might a system, do you have any resources. I found your blog via the osdd tag and you talk a lot about system stuff.

Hey there; it's Terry, host of the Magbox. Sorry you're going through this. Discovering you might have alters can be really rough, especially at a young age, but I'm happy you reached out to us. Personally, I've found this masterpost: https://clever-and-unique-name.tumblr.com/post/187704319719/didosdd-casually-explained-masterpost to be an amazing resource that explains the causes of DID/OSDD, how things work in a system, and provides titles of some helpful books you might find at your local library. Just keep a few things in mind as this whole situation unfolds: - None of this is your fault; this is something that your brain did that you had no control over. - It's okay to reach out to others if you need emotional support. - Things might not be okay for a while, but understanding what's going on is the first step to healing, and they will be okay eventually. Take care, and don't hesitate to reach out again if you need help. - Terry

[anonymousfield]

first of all i think you only believe the endogenic community is toxic is because of how you are against them. i have seen so much non syscourse talk and so many respectful endogenics. i dont mean to discredit anyone who has been harassed my endogenics but it isnt true that that applies to all endogenics or even a majority.

you may not have understood my point but i know many others did. its really not my problem that you thought it was comparing the two cause i really couldve substituded any other disorder. i originally was going to use OCD. it doesnt matter what disorder i use, my point was that those with the disorder dont own the symptoms. i never said "anxiety disorders are comparable to OSDDID" i said OSDDID doesn't own the concept of plurality just like how anxiety disorders doesnt own the concept of anxiety.

ok and then you missed where i said traumagenic systems can also be nondisorders but i guess we will just move past that. i have no clue how you think you are being polite if you said "i can be polite. i can be courteous" with means to apply it to this conversation. you called me sick in the head which is actually an ableist insult. anyway, there is other medical research that recognizes endogenic systems. i dont compile the resources myself so im going to be linking someone elses post that has links to resources. also no clue where you got the 5% from when you talked about religious systems. endogenic systems do deserve to be in plural spaces. theres so much anger from some parts of the DIDOSDD community about endogenics being in a shared space. i think having areas where people talk about just DIDOSDD is good but you can't boot specific plurals out of general plural spaces, those are shared. and then your comment about endogenics "constantly" trying to intrude your spaces i just think isnt true. constantly is a big word. if you mean they are trying to use plural spaces well they are allowed to. also i know of quite a few anti endo DIDOSDD systems that come into pro endo spaces and harass others so clearly this is something that happens on both sides.

then again i have said i am not comparing DIDOSDD experiences with anxiety disorder experiences probably 10 or something times at this point but you still want to keep saying that i do.

if anti endos think they own plurality because its a symptom of their disorder then guess what? as someone with an anxiety disorder, we own anxiety! if you do not have an anxiety disorder you cant be anxious! if you are anxious without an anxiety disorder then you are a faker and harmful to the anxiety disorder community!

(this is a joke)

[plurals-helping-plurals]

Hey! We found out were a system about this time last year, weve been doing soo much research and can answer all the scientific stuff behind the disorder (so far as we know)

But theres a very important person to the sys who.. doesnt quite get it. Refuses to acknowledge it actually until it gets diagnosed by a 'professional', i.e. a doctor (who we have various issues with) so diagnosis might take a while.

Losing this person isnt an option for our sys, but the lack of acknowledgement really pisses off one of our main fronters whos threatened to dramatically cut this person out more than once. So we were wondering if any of yall have some published books, ideally textbooks or science based books that we can present to this friend? Or really any books about DID/OSDD/systems in general.

Thanks for the help! - J+K

Hello, J/K! We will do our best! Here's what we've found, sadly, it is *not* necessarily textbooks, but rather scientific research stored in websites.

This massive list on DID. Made by sysmeds, holds a lot of valuable information.

The DSM-V criteria for DID and The DSM-V criteria for OSDD (1B and 1A). DIRECTLY from the official DSM-V

The Wikipedia page (Which has sources at the bottom for everything. Actual scientific texts referenced at the bottom.) states the people actually diagnosed (either DID/OSDD) are around 1.5% of the population - but that the disorder itself is even more common. It also states that due to it's perceived rarity, it isn't even included in the SCID, which, as it states, helps therapist make their diagnosis more accurate and/or reliable. Meaning that, it is even harder to get diagnosed with it, or for the disorder to be entirely misdiagnosed. As this interview with a professional states, DID/OSDD patients are commonly misdiagnosed with schizophrenia and the belief of headmates even existing is commonly misinterpreted as a delusion. Even worse, making a quick google search about the VALIDITY of the disorder, pops up with at least 4 to 6 top results about how many professionals don't even believe the disorder is real below, barely, the FIRST 4 RESULTS. Which means, it is another separate struggle to even find a professional who even believes in the disorder to even consider diagnosing a person with it. Not only that, but the first 4 results, even call DID a controversial diagnosis overall due to how many professionals believe its fake. This point is more geared to proving that "Hey - maybe don't invalidate someone's experience when not even professionals are right about it."

To accompany my top point in better light - here's a few articles proving its existence, and difficulty to be diagnosed. Aside from the stated issues in the Wikipedia page.

Hope this was helpful - despite my long rant. The thought of someone being invalidated over something that is in fact extremely hard to get for new systems infuriated us.

I hope all goes well anon! My best wishes.

-Mod Bank (R.)

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[syscourse-confessions]

syscourse is beginning to feel like brick walls on both sides to the point where actual discussion is next to impossible. “sysmed” is a racist and transphobic term. i do believe endo systems exist BUT endos need to stop trying to skew the DIDOSDD diagnostic criteria to include endogenic plurality, stop twisting studies to make them frame their point of view, and stop breaking the boundaries of DIDOSDD systems and spaces. yes endos very likely might exist but it’s separate to DIDOSDD, stop trying to say you don’t need trauma to have DIDOSDD. i have yet to see studies on endo plurality that definitively proves endos exist, just ones that are very preliminary surveys and observations into the topic. that’s not proof and it’s okay for it to not be proof. also stop trying to disprove the theory of structural dissociation for the sole purpose of trying to prove endos exist, because DIDOSDD is clearly going to be different structurally than endo plurality and it’s asinine to try and make every study and resource into DIDOSDD fit the endo experience, because it just won’t.

also minor pet peeve but y’all, PLEASE stop saying “well gravity is a theory too” in defense of the theory of structural dissociation. gravity isn’t a theory, it’s a law (newton’s law of universal gravitation). a better comparison would be the theory of tectonic plates.

DIDOSDD systems need our own separate spaces because we have a complex trauma and dissociative disorder that’s going to be extremely different than an experience of systemhood that doesn’t include trauma. and i’m not saying endos can’t be traumatized, just that (by definition) their system functions without it, and DIDOSDD’s systems exist BECAUSE of it. it’s vastly different and mixing of the two spaces without any clear boundaries have led to many DIDOSDD systems being traumatized from the endo community, and otherwise being harmed by their time in these communities. exclusion and boundaries NEED to exist in a broader “plural” community, and framing DIDOSDD systems who try to enforce these boundaries as evil gatekeeping exclusionists is not only framing a group of trauma survivors as evil for having boundaries (which, most of the people with DIDOSDD have trauma from child abuse, which notoriously makes it difficult to enforce boundaries later in life), but also victim blames and shits on the people who have had awful experiences with the endo community.

and honestly. the endo community is fucking awful. the amount of ableism, misinformation, and all sorts of other shit that’s swept under the rug at best, and encouraged at worst, is mindblowing. with that being said i also avoid anti endo DIDOSDD spaces because being anti endo doesn’t mean you can never be wrong about DID or OSDD. i’ve seen downright misinformation being spread around by the anti endo side because the person/people involved are anti endo, so people automatically trust it more.

i’m not even completely anti endo, because i fully believe endo systems could very well exist, but i’m mostly just anti endo community at this point because the amount of shit i’ve seen come out of syscourse over the past few months is vile.

with that being said, the modern understanding of psychology and DIDOSDD is not the word of god, and psychology is both a relatively new field of study and constantly evolving. but simultaneously, DIDOSDD isn’t as under researched as tumblr and tik tok will lead you to believe.

this is long as fuck so i’m going to end this by giving advice to every system and questioning system here, which is to just delete tik tok. thanks.

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[theselfishmachiness]

if anyone needs any help with didosdd resources or helping understand something! we’re always here to help! just dm us if you have questions and we’ll always be happy to answer and provide better wording or better explanation!

Learning plural culture is (not vent per say, more oddly specific)

everyone you meet sending you a carrd about systems and more information for your system, who is newly found out and lost on system-ing, but each information is too complicated and no one in the systems understands so they feel invalid and out of place.

— 💌 ; [☎️]

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[sleepy-shutin]

honestly have you ever thought about starting a DIDOSDD discord server? absolutely no pressure to at all, i just know that i and a few others on your blog (and i think you have too iirc but i don’t want to put words in your mouth ofc) have opened up about feeling alienated from the larger DIDOSDD community. again absolutely no pressure to at all, it was honestly just a thought i had because i saw the drama you mentioned earlier and i just realized that trying to connect with the DIDOSDD community is starting to make me feel more and more like im walking through a high school cafeteria as a nearly 22 year old lmao.

i mean, i mod in an 18+ discord server. the biggest gripe with it i have is that it takes an anti-endo stance. personally, my ideal DID/OSDD space would be an 18+ maybe 20+ when i turn 20, DID community server that doesn't take a stance on syscourse. maybe still has opt-in syscourse channels, and only has room for respectful debate among peers. it'd have a static blacklist with no suggestions, and hard rules on having people leave the conversation and/or mute the channel if they can't handle something happening.

it would have a focus on maturity and accurate information on DID, building support networks, learning coping and grounding skills, sharing resources and advice, etc.

i dunno, maybe.

[systemserendipity]

Hi! I am neurodivergent and I love interacting with my ND community and I understand that includes plurals, which sadly I know very little about.

What types of questions should I be asking to get a better understanding of systems? Do you have suggestions for resources for allies? (I vaguely know what DID is, and I’m aware that that’s not the only type of system. I’m particularly interested in “alterhumans”, I know nothing about it and would like to understand. (Please forgive the ignorance of this ask, I just don’t know how/where to get accurate info)

To answer quickly, here's some resources on plurality, alterhumanity and otherkin :3

There's a ton of online documents and such that go into greater detail than one individual. And they're almost always created by systems. I recommend those, because the plural experience can be hard to quantify without going through it yourself.

Ftr, these communities *can* overlap but don't necessarily always. Singlets (non-plural folks) can identify as otherkin and alterhuman too, for instance.

And no need to be sorry for what ya don't know! Asking is the first step to understanding and supporting, so we think this question is awesome! Feel free to reach out again if ya have any more questions ♡

{And some extra links in-case ya want:}

https://pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/

https://alterhuman-hub.carrd.co/}

[systematic-advice]

How do I improve alter-to-alter communication? We don't have an inner world and I can't really hear their voices in my mind, and that makes me think I might just have c-ptsd or bpd. Is there any way I can get my alters to talk to me? Or at least get those who want to talk to me to talk to me? Ty!! <3

Hi there Anon!

I'll be upfront in saying that our System started breaking down our walls a long time ago and that our System has never struggled 'too' much with that sort of thing. There are only select Alters in ours that struggle to communicate with others.

I think a good suggestion might be to start journaling. I'm not necessarily talking about the traditional 'write out your day' journal. But setting our a time every day (Our therapist suggested about an hour before we plan to go to bed) and write 'something' in your journal. Just a line, maybe two or if you're up to it an entire entry. This helps to track mood, state of mind and for people with DIDOSDD, sometimes it can be helpful to see when other Alters are forward. Difference in writing style, difference in tone, difference in entry length, sometimes a difference in handwriting or even not doing an entry at all with no memory of consciously deciding not to. All of these things 'can' be signs.

Another thing we strongly advocate for here on this blog is inward searching. I know you said you don't have/ don't currently have access to an inner world and that's okay! That's normal. A lot of Systems never visualize a place of meeting. But sitting quietly or with music and carefully reflecting on your day, your feelings your actions and your inner monolog/ dialog can be a great way to understand what kind of changes you might be going through. Whether it's that you don't remember your day at all (A clear sign of amnesia and a possible indicator of someone doing things for you) or that you remember feeling very disconnected from your world. Maybe it's feeling things related to friends or family you'd never otherwise feel. All things to consider when you're trying to sort out you understanding of who or what is influencing you mentally. Once you've identified the key signs you might find it easier to either reach out to those Alters.

Basically we advocate for a lot of Mindfulness Therapy. I know resources on that can be hard to find as I've been looking for anything better than the two links we currently have, but from what we have seen it's a good place to start from. We'll link below to those pages.

If any of our followers have any other suggestions please let us know! We've had pretty good communication for a while now and when we started actually trying, there was very little in the way of resources. We wish you all the best Anon! I hope this is at all helpful to you.

Edit: I’m dumb and forgot to add the inks. Full disclosure this comes right off of another ask we answered.

What is MBCT? + 28 Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy Resources - Positive Psychology.com

Applying Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy to Treatment - University of California SF YouTube (This on focuses on Mindfulness and depression specifically. Recorded 2012)  These have really been the only resources we’ve found concerning mindfulness. 

[circular-bircular]

Hi. This isn't about anything you posted in particular but you seem like a rare occurrence of sensibility in the area of "syscourse" so I was hoping you don't mind if I muse at you.

I often feel like I don't belong anywhere in plural/system spaces as a system that formed from trauma/stress but later in life and is largely nondisordered. Like I'm not endogenic, but I also don't have DID/OSDD, so I feel alienated from both "sides." And it makes finding resources and community extremely difficult.

I wish there could just be spaces for traumagenic/adaptive systems to talk about their experiences without excessive gatekeeping + vitriol OR endogenic systems trying to talk over those who are traumagenic.

I’m going to start off with this: you belong in plural spaces. If you choose the label plural, then you belong, regardless of anything else. That’s what the Plural Community stands for.

I’m then going to continue with: I do not believe DID/OSDD can be nondisordered, at least not without therapy and healing and time. Meaning, if you asked me, I would consider you a traumagenic plural.

I’m so sorry there’s not a space for you. You deserve spaces in the plural community. Endogenics time after time have spoken over traumagenic systems (I should know) and Anti-Endos frequently shut out those who say they are traumagenic but do not have DIDOSDD.

I’m not going to go on my ramble of “have you done this/that” on this post. I think it’s important to consider if you’ve had earlier trauma in your life, or to reconsider the definitions of nondisordered - but based on what you say here, I feel like you have already thought about those things.

I wish you luck. In terms of resources, I suggest looking at DIDOSDD resources, as those focus on trauma recovery. Resources aren’t a pie; you can take some, and there’ll always be more left.