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Tigers Eye
Part 8
Heās BACK baby!
Remember when I said the āstabbingā had to happen?
This is why!
Hunter is no longer a straight up Caleb clone-heās got demon in him now, and his body reformed accordingly after amassing the magic needed from the shadows
This also means heās finally gotten that purple hair swag Iāve been hyping yāall up about!
(Jack would be swooning so hard rn if MK hadnāt essentially burst into tears lol)
#the owl house#hunter toh#diverging tides#lego monkie kid#toh hunter#monkie kid mk#xiaolin showdown#jack spicer#the boi finally has that purple hair!#did I murder him just for this reason?#no but this is part of it!
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Being a batfam fan is funny because people will make a post like āhereās my headcanon-ā and itās just something thatās directly canon to the story then post about major canon events and get everything wrong.
#this post was inspired by me remembering the experience of reading death in the family#after only knowing the fanbase version and realizing oh none of that shit happened okay#like girl you donāt understand itās so bad#Jason wasnāt even fired as Robin#Heās not accused of murdering anyone by Bruce#Heās not trying to prove himself at all heās just looking for his mom#The reason Bruce didnāt go after him right away is because he was tracking down a goddamn nuke the Joker stole#Then after he finds it and handles the problem he helps Jason track down moms 2 and 3#Also Jason died in like 20 minutes?? even less??#He died in less time than it took his mother to smoke a cigarette#Bruce literally went āwait here Iāll be right backā and was gone for less time than a trip to the grocery store#and then you go into the Jason Todd tag and they act like Bruce pulled the damn trigger on him#Like besties I donāt know how to tell you this he basically did everything right he possibly could have#Even him benching Jason from Robin temporarily happens so that he can get Jason into therapy about his trauma#Like the whole point is that neither of them did anything wrong bad shit just sometimes happens#Thatās the tragedy. The drama.#Bruce couldnāt have made better choices in the position he was in and Jason was never going to make different ones#It was inevitable#Anyway rant over please read death in the family before I lose my mind#batfam#batman#jason todd#tim drake#dick grayson#damian wayne#bruce wayne
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Agust DĀ ā D-2Ā ā D-DAY
#yoongi#bts#agust d#userbangtan#btsgif#suga#min yoongi#btsedit#myedit#mygifs#it took me so many hours to plan and make this lmao#BUT I LOVVED IT#cant wait for the next mv bc it is obvious that yoongi saw someone at the end of the mv#and i think agust d stuck in a loop and he will murder his past self all the time dsakljsdkdj#idk why i think of that it just that when he pointed the gun at fbi agust d that guy smirked probably because he did the same to the#previous agust d who also smirked while going down the stairs before he ordered the others to kill him#like i feel when he saw yoongi he was like damn karma#dslkkdsad#the gifs are in no order of the mvs they are in order of color KINDAAA also i didnt add people pt2 for a reason i am lazy to type it here he
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Okay, let's finally talk about EPIC's Apollo
I feel very compelled to say, first of all, that I do not dislike Epic. In fact, I am very fond of Epic and have been following its production and status very eagerly! I attend all the launch streams, I watch all of Herrans' update videos; I am, at the end of the day, a fan and I want it to be known that my words are spoken out of love and passion as much as they are spoken from a place of critique.
So really, what my problem with Epic's Apollo?
In the briefest possible terms; the choice to have Apollo be defined by his musical aspect in God Games is thematically strange. And not in the 'oh well in the Odyssey, Apollo was important to Odysseus and his family so it's weird that that wasn't kept in Epic' strange, strange in the sense that Odysseus' character arc since My Goodbye has been getting more and more obviously Apollonian and so it is positively bizarre that when we get to meet Apollo, the god seems entirely disinterested in him and his affairs. So much so that he is not even defined by any station that would indicate that he has been watching over and protecting Odysseus and his family.
What do I mean by 'Odysseus has been following an Apollonian arc'? I'm so glad you asked!
Remember Them is the last song in which Odysseus explicitly uses his sword until Mutiny where he must use it to defend himself against Eurylochus' blade. He uses it to help enact the plan to conquer Polyphemus and, due to Polites dying in that battle, Polites who wished for Odysseus to put the blade down entirely and embrace a post-war life, Odysseus also retires his sword. This is an action that symbolically separates him from Athena - and the image of Odysseus as a traditional warrior set for him in Horse and Infant - as much as My Goodbye physically separates him from the goddess and her war-ways - from this point onwards, Odysseus will no longer be leaning on Athena's wisdom or methods to solve his problems. Likewise, he will no longer be able to rely on her protection.
Odysseus thusly solves most of his upcoming problems through diplomacy and avoidance. He approaches Aeolus - a strange and ambiguous god (both in gender and in motivation) and appeals to them for help. Circe too, he approaches not with wishes to conquer or for revenge, but for the safe returning of his men and an alternate way forward. In all of these scenarios, there is some Apollonian element which is subtly interweaved alongside the influence of other gods; it is with a bow and arrows that Polyphemus' sheep is slain (and thus it is this Apollonian element which is at the root of Odysseus' spat with Poseidon), it is a vision of Penelope that warns Odysseus that his men are about to open Aeolus' wind-bag, Circe's peace offering to Odysseus is to refer him to a prophet of Apollo who has since died.
In this way, Apollo is walking alongside Odysseus for all of his journey after Athena departs - even in the Underworld, he is guiding him. It is Tiresias' proclamation that is the last straw for Odysseus, it is by the power of a mouthpiece of Apollo that Odysseus decides to embrace his ruthlessness. It is with the bow and arrow that Odysseus subdues the siren who sought to trick him, likewise, Odysseus does not attempt to undermine or escape the fate of paying Scylla's passage price - he knows of the doom about to befall the six men and quite unlike the rest of the journey until this point, he does not fight against it. This all comes to a head on Thrinacia where it is a blade which sacrifices the sun god's cow and brings destruction upon the crew once more.
My point with all of this is that when I heard the teasers for God Games years ago, it made perfect sense to me that Apollo would be Round One - he is not Odysseus' adversary and has no reason to oppose Athena's wish to free him. From other teasers about what will happen in the climax of Epic, Apollo will still be walking alongside Odysseus - it is Apollo's bow that Penelope will give the suitors to string. Likewise, it is Apollo's bow that will prove Odysseus' legitimacy and identity. That bow will be the power by which Odysseus hunts his adversaries and cleans out his palace - it is Apollo who is the avatar of Odysseus' ruthlessness, not Athena.
So tell me, truly, what was the point of having Apollo raise a non-argument in God Games? Why have him appear unconcerned, aloof and slightly oblivious? Why have him appear in his capacity as the Lord of Music at all?? And if the intention was never to make Apollo an active player in Odysseus' life like he was in the Odyssey, why keep Odysseus as a primary archer?
The answer of course is that Apollo is inextricable from the fabric of the Odyssey - his influence and favour exudes from Odysseus just as much as Athena's. In Athena's ten year sulk, it would have been Apollo who kept Telemachus and Penelope safe. It would have been Apollo protecting Odysseus from Poseidon's gaze as he travelled the seas (according to the Odyssey anyway)
Forgive me for not being excited about something that I thought was being purposefully set up. I was extremely ecstatic about all of the little Apollonian details that litter the sagas because I know where this story ends up (loosely) but all God Games did was reveal that maybe those Apollonian details were not intentional at all, but merely the ghost of the Apollo who persistently haunts those he favours, even if he cannot explicitly come to their aide in an adaptation.
#ginger rambles#apollo#odysseus#epic the musical#athena#This of course is not mentioning the whole 'in the Odyssey the suitors have been explicitly praying#for Apollo to kill Telemachus so they can have free reign and Apollo is just going 'what's that? I'm sorry I can't hear haters' thing#I'm actually so disappointed by Apollo in God Games because I truly did believe that it was leading up to Apollo and Athena#BOTH being by Odysseus' side in the end#I really like the fandom view that Apollo used the sirens as an excuse because he has nothing against Odysseus#but in order for me to give that any merit there would have needed to be something in the text itself to support that#And Apollo only has the three-four lines which like - in and of itself is crazy#I really wish Apollo and Hephaestus had full verses like Aphrodite/Ares#Or at least a back and forth like Hera#The milquetoast Apollo who is apparently upset about murder but then only took a light rebut for him back down#I'm sorry have you not seen Apollo when he's mad about murder before? He's not that reasonable I promise you#I'm just not going to talk about him being mad about the sirens specifically if I think about that too long I'll get hives#Looking very forward to when Penelope finally gets her song ššš#Cannot believe you still don't have your song debut my queen the Odysseus economy is also in shambles
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i just think
#excuse me. sorry. mommy? sorry. mommy- sorry. mo-#veilguard spoilers#look.#did i beat mythal into the ground? mayhaps. absolutely.#do i also find her hot? yes.#let a woman be evil#god i hate her. i love her.#''she was the best of them'' the bar was in the fuckin ground solas????#i wasnt gonna go into my opinion on her but here we go#i hate this woman. i love this woman. she's manipulative. she's not sorry about anything at all. redeeming quality Where?#some kinda spirit turns into a woman and starts a thing w elgarnan and peer pressures a spirit of wisdom to take a body against its will#hatches lyrium dagger rendering titans tranquil plan to end the earthquakes bc she and her ppl where fucking??? stealing their blood????#but again convinces wisdom spirit to do it/work out the details she just does the actual ritual everyone goes yay mythal!#gets murdered by her husband/other???children/siblings? whatever the fuck they are to each other#yada yada fast forward like 7k years#she's a swamp witch now talking in riddles and laughing at inappropriate times fdksjfksdla#and traumatizing young daughters she continues to give to birth to#and turns into a dragon like. literally. every. game. this bitch cannot stop turning into a dragon. it's her favorite thing to do#godforbid a woman have hobbies anyway#so then she's slowly amassing power and hinting at a RECKONING REVENGE bc she was BETRAYED and she knows solas is gonna pull some shit#but then she just lets him kill her/take her glowy blue essence and there's no reckoning#no revenge#she appears to her latest daughter as a ghost and bestows 1 last curse upon her:#secondhand embarrassment for realizing she shemsplained to the dreadwolf himself#for some reason she materializes from the statue and goes ''sorry you felt that way solas'' and vanishes again#hilar. iconic. go girl give us nothing.#i love her i hate her that's how it is.
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Thinking of the Nie disciple that told Nie Mingjue it was Meng Yao who stayed behind to clean up corpses on the battlefield today.
Nie Mingjue didn't just randomly stumble upon poor lil meowyao eating bread in the novel, he was already looking for him to thank and reward him for his work.
That's what makes it so fun that nieyao's first conflict will end up being about someone else taking credit for Meng Yao's work.
And I'm sure that Nie Mingjue's actual opinions on plagiarism are a lot more nuanced, all we really get from him in this scene is "well you shouldn't kill someone over it!" which leaves a lot of room for what punishments he thinks are appropiate. But I bet that it isn't occuring to him in this moment that the only reason he knows Meng Yao at all, the only reason he got such a capable deputy, is that he noticed someone was taking care of the dead and cared enough to want to know their name. And then the Nie disciples didn't lie to him. The disciple he asked could have said "it was me, Zongzhu" to rise in the ranks himself, but he didn't. He went and asked others, who all also could have taken the credit, but they didn't. Someone saw Meng Yao working and decided to be honest about it and that simple decision is the catalyst for Meng Yao becoming Nie Mingjue's deputy.
Meng Yao can't just work hard to get results, others have to acknowledge that work. If they don't, it's as if he didn't do anything at all.
#i'm very proud of the phrase poor lil meowyao. i'm sure i'm not the first one to come up with it but i'm proud nonetheless.#mdzs#mdzs meta#nie mingjue#meng yao#anyway this isn't a nmj bashing post i think 'ok that's bad but don't do MURDER' is overall a pretty reasonable reaction#but the emotional disconnect is fun to ruminate on. I bet meng yao IS thinking about that moment while coming up with his fake-suicide plan#anyway i always laugh a litle whenever anyone wonder if meng yao looking a bit pitiful was all some master stategy to get nmj to like him#because like... no. no that would be a stupid plan and also involved way too many factors he couldn't control.#and also!! he was already doing something else to try and get nmj's attention. all of that fucking work!!#if you plan on getting nmjā guy famous for valuing merit and hard honest workā to like you what is more useful:#looking a bit like a sad little wet cat in case he comes across you? or. Working really hard and being more useful than everyone else?#ding ding ding it's the latter.#nmj is ALSO a bit weak for someone looking like a kitten left in the rain but that's not well-known at all and meng yao didn't know him yet#anyway the fact that that is his plan does mean he's very aware how much it hinges on other people not just lying and saying they did it.#i wonder what networking efforts lil heijan meng yao was doing. trying to make friends with all the other disciples.#walking the tightrope of being accomodating but not a doormat so people see you as someone to rely on rather than take advantage of.#as much as we know not everyone in the nie is as righteous as nmj it does seem like there is a culture of taking pride in your own work.#even the cultivators who bully him in the novel just seem think it's funny he's working so hard.#using someone else's actions to prop yourself up is kinda like admiting they're better than you. a wound to their pride if nothing else.
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the way people care more about jason fighting tim than like any other rogue fighting tim during his robin run is...!
"they're brothers! jason is so horrible to attack his little brother."
aside from the obvious twinkification of tim, stop pushing the family narrative on two people who did not see each other as siblings at that moment.
#and also stop seeing tim as a 5 year old#jason fought him to prove a point#sometimes i wish he really did some serious damage to tim just so you guys would have something reasonable to complain about#gosh a 16-17yr old crime fighter who fights people like bane for a living definitely has trauma from a guy two years older than him#fighting him#yes jason todd the kid who was murdered for being robin would definitely go out and kill the next kid who is robin#because yessss his whole point is that he's jealous of the next robin and therefore needs to harm him worse than the joker harmed jason#like please i'm so tired of this discourse#why the fuck would jason- the child murder victim who died as robin and bc of batman taking on a child soldier- want to kill the next robin#you'd think the narrative that jason tried to kill tim would only be in like some fics#but nope! it's in every goddamn batfam fic i've ever read to this day#not even exaggerating#anti tim drake#anti batfam#jason todd#red hood#batman#dc
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this is a genuinely vulnerable, touching, and emotionally powerful moment of seeking out connection from jason to dick until you remember that being "all back to normal" refers to when jason got digested by an alien, trapped in a goo egg, and then turned into a tentacle monster that ate people
#razpost#dc#jason#jason todd#red hood#dick grayson#he got better though don't worry#you ever think some modern version of dick or jason brings that up. i have to wonder#'yeah maybe i did get really edgy for awhile but ya know i never turned into a tentacle alien and ate a criminal unlike SOME people'#'wh - '#'IT WAS /ONE/ TIME'#that is the biggest reason i love brothers in blood though it has such a strangely sympathetic view of jason todd as a character -#- for his place as a rogue murderous villain at the time (and unique in a way that utrh only very subtly touches on)#someone seeking emotional connection and to grasp at past relationships but having no idea how to go about it#a toughened criminal on the outside but still really a scared kid reeling from his death and feelings of abandonment#the fucking. 'i'm scared dick' set of three panels drives me absolutely insane it's so fascinating and resonant to write him like post-utrh#i'm just rambling now i really like this freaky little 2005 arc is what i'm saying
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idk if it's a fun fact or not but! Right's favorite color is green. He never wears green but it's his favorite color. then I've been working on silly emotes for my OCs and they're "disappointeddad" and "tryme".
(Also there is an AU where these two are knights along with Paul and Evelyn while Brent/Caspian/Atticus are princes. Chris is basically Caspian's personal guard while Right just runs around trying to do everything to stay busy even when not on duty which stresses Chris out. But since he's kinda busy with the crown prince it defaults to Paul having to babysit Right.)
#my characters#oops i fell in love#genuinely shocked ocs has such a high percentage on the poll i did NOT expect that#bu this isn't even due to that it is just starting to get stormy and im just.... gonna have to shut down soon#and was craving chris today#so he gets an emote and also another doodle with right#bc i dont draw them together enough and that right there was the closest he had to a friend in his mind before brent#like chris was SO proud to be the one right would vent to bc that meant he was trusted AND not the reason right is angry#then hes like oops gotta swing by work on my off day and this is a problem because dottr#so he brings his SWEET LIL GIRL into work who immediately decides right is the nicest person ever and she loves him#and chris is like please anyone but him#but alas he loves his daughter and he adores his work children (p much everyone else) so he allows angel#also fwiw karen is not actually as much of a physical menace as it might seem#like sure she craves the murder as a warlock in a fictional setting but she honestly is v gentle#she might push and shove at paul some times but thats bc thats basically family and then#she just cuddles up next to him when sleepy at a bar bc they always sit next to each other#and it shocks no one to see her falling asleep on him and she is just a usually patient person !#but come on right is a menace verbally and she can only put up with so much until he stops being such a dick
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A Defense of Benny Gecko
Benny is more of a capable leader and person than people give him credit for.
Seeing as no one challenged his position as head Chairmen for 7 years and even then he only loses the position if heās caught, killed or forced to leave. Yes, itās also likely House wouldnāt have allowed him to be killed but he sure as hell would of found a way to remove him if he was causing too much unrest within The Tops power structure. Even Swank and Tommy donāt outright dislike him and more so are concerned with his recent secretive and shady behavior, emphasis on recent.
Taking all we know into consideration, Benny likely knew the future direction that he wanted to take Vegas but was so caught up in the plans to acquire Vegas that he didnāt think of how to make his dream a reality. Something he admits to in canon. I see this being used as the main argument that Benny doesnāt know what heās doing at all but I see it more in the same vein as you canāt really plan something from nothing. The transformation of Vegas is a sensitive thing that he canāt really work on until he has it. The only reason he ran to the Fort prematurely is the Courier who was causing so much of a stir he wouldāve likely been found out much faster, making all that planning for nothing if he didnāt take that chance.
Benny is careful (well a lot more careful than he is regularly depicted in fanon), the Courier being able to trace him was dumb luck on their part and his hair being noticed at the Fort is a realistically small oversight that even Caesar is disappointed in because he admits Benny got farther than he shouldāve been allowed by his legionaries. The fact he can plan an ambush on the Courier or tries to quickly and concisely clean up lose ends that donāt lead back to him shows heās not just acting on impulses or in the moment decisions. Or rather heās quite good at thinking them out, whether they work depends on how you play really. This is all to say itās 100% believable that Benny could lead an independent Vegas (house was basically setting him up to do that). If he had known explicitly that House was setting him up to replace him, he likely wouldāve bought more time by getting in closer, learning more of the system to then flip Houseās edge to his favor. Again something he was doing already but likely without the knowledge of Houseās feelings on him personally.
No matter what, Vegasā future was tied to Benny; Houseās plans for him, having to get the chip and if he had somehow succeeded. Itās also interesting that of all the people vying for control of the dam/Vegas, Bennyās plans are the only ones actually oriented towards a new future, not a recreation of something long past.
#something something despite going against you Benny has the most in common with an independent player#heās just like an asshole and also knows when heās no longer in the driver seat so he leaves it to you#cause despite all his lame traits Benny got supper far in his plan and likely couldāve done it if the courier never got involved#if he didnāt have the need to run to the fort he wouldāve waited to learn what the chip did and then made a more direct plan but when a big#clue to what heās been up to cough the courier cough came he had to throw caution to the wind#this is sorta related to why house chose Benny and his plans for Benny cause likely the rest of house plans were gonna be#about getting Benny to adopt his ideals and views on Vegas before testing whether Benny could run it like him#and wouldāve likely been proud of all the planning Benny did for Yes Man if it wasnāt for it being against him#all I can imagine is like Benny being more disappointed than anything with how house decided to run things and he holds nothing personal#towards house this is a necessity as house will never give up control kinda like bingo but I feel like Benny at least respected Bingo#something something bingo couldāve been a father figure making killing him more of a reason Benny would go against house cause he murders#a potential parental figure thinking itās what he has to do for the betterment of his tribe only to feel like he led them to stagnation and#a longing for days gone by cause the guy who filled ur head with glittery promises aināt sparkling no more#and makes the resistance to a parental house make more sense#fallout#fallout new vegas#benny gecko#benny fnv
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Hey what was up with that one panel
#BNHA#MHA#BNHA 403#All Might#All for One#Toshinori Yagi#AfO#MHA 403#Art by me#Like All Might I will give you a pass you were doing the whole murder-suicide thing I get it you have to Commit#but AFO??? šš¤Øā#What reason was there for grabbing his leg like that. how did that benefit you in any way whatsoever#I mean IK he did it to get the blood off of him or w/e but he was bleeding from literally everywhere?#he could have just grabbed his face or arm or something but no he had to be a freak about it#the toxic old man yaoi in this series goes crazy#ESPECIALLY with the villains like#Stain&All Might Ujiko&AfO AfO&All Might good god man#Horikoshi's golden rules for writing are subtextual horror and homoeroticism and who can fault him for that#anways can you tell ive missed this series <333#AFOMight
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What happens when your coworker kills your other coworker but both of you are in a relationship (kind of) with the same ethereal woman who had an admiration for said dead coworker.
+bonus Evandrey because itās funny to me (Iām sorry Eva.)
#pathologic#pathologic 2#andrey stamatin#yulia lyuricheva#eva yan#evandrey#yulieva#evaandrey#Eva yahn#Andrei Stamatin#see I think that Eva is very okay with Eva being how she is- promiscuous and spreading her love (Maybe a little jealous but more rooted in#self loathing and insecurities)#and sheās like look Iām okay with this whole open relationship (technically we arenāt in a relationship even though I really want to be)#thing BUT why HIM. I have to work with him and heās by far the worst man Iāve ever worked with (besides maybe his brother because at least#Andrey actually talks but really theyāre a package deal anyways) I need to have meetings with him often and itās horrendous every time#like spread your love itās noble really.#I wouldnāt expect anything else from you#but maybe give him less heās annoying as hell#I also think that sheād figure out pretty quickly that Andrey and Peter killed Farkhad#just bcuz like. yk sheās there. sheās seen the already shaky relationship crumble beyond repair. sheās seen them argue in meetings.#she knows the stamatwins are not above murder. especially for art. and sheās clever.#And andrey knows that so he doesnāt try to hide it. she doesnāt have recourse anyways-#the kains (who I think helped cover up the murder) employ her too#and andrey respects her to a degree- he assumes sheāll see reason.#and honesty. Yulia might be upset that Andrey killed one of the only other architects but also she does not miss him that much.#sheās like I donāt agree with this whole murder thing but you are kind of right he had to go he was getting on my nerves#the meetings will be 10x more tolerable now that the twins canāt argue with him about things that arenāt even real#itās awful but it did drive Eva further into my arms so necessary evils.#my art#sorry for the essay in the tags.
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i really dont know how to explain to you that it is canonically in character for narukami to look at two people murdered, all his friends nearly murdered, his goddamn cousin/sister figure nearly murdered, and still say "nah but adachis too important to me ill just sweep this under the rug for him" like how much more whipped could you be bro
#disclaimer: ive uh... never actually seen the accomplice ending#but ive never heard anyone give a reason for narukami to do that other than just. wanting to help adachi#ive never heard any indication he was being threatened or felt he had no choice or anything#in fact he did have a choice. the true ending is a thing lol#idk i just think its very very interesting narukami can drop everything throw it all away abandon the whole plot to protect and join adachi#hes so obsessed with him good lord#i sometimes wonder how shuake nation wouldve reacted if you could do that with akechi#i know id go insane lmfao#theres a murder boyfriends au for a reason yknow?#id love to include tatsujun in on this too but i cant think of any way jun would accept tatsuyas help or why tatsuya would ever join him#unless he somehow finds out who joker is ig#persona 4#p4#adachi#narukami#adasou#shuada#tw age gap
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"it's always hating on rhaegar for rhaenys and aegon's deaths never tywin" because rhaegar was their father and had a responsibility towards them that tywin did not, stay in school
#personal#anti rhaegar targaryen#fandom critical#like one it's because tywin's blame is very uncontentious#it's just everyone and their mother going 'yeah he ordered it' and agreeing that he sucks for it#i have my thoughts on tywin's culpability (mostly that i do believe he didn't mention elia if only cuz she never crossed his mind)#(as he's a raging misogynist and i do believe that he was annoyed that lorch and clegane were as brutal with children)#(since it's not the best pr)#but it never extends to a lack of culpability on tywin's part#meanwhile rhaegar stans (why does he have them? who knows couldn't be me i'm normal) wanna pretend like this isn't his fault#when it IS#he was elia's HUSBAND! he was rhaenys and aegon's FATHER! it is his JOB to keep them safe during a war HE STARTED!#rhaegar had a responsibility to do whatever possible to ensure the safety of the children he chose to bring into the world and their mother#instead of going off to fuck a girl the same age as most high school freshmen!#rhaegar chose to abandon his family to the care of his violently crazy and racist father#who he knew was violently crazy and racist#unless he was dumb as rocks he was not unaware that no matter what this was not going to end well for elia and rhaenys and aegon#but he did it anyway and that does make him culpable for what happened to them#he had a responsibility to all of them ESPECIALLY his toddler and fucking baby and he FAILED that responsibility#and it is his fault that they were murdered#that is on him#it is not solely on him it is also on aerys for not letting them leave the city even once the cause was doomed#and it's on tywin for ordering their deaths and on lorch and clegance for doing the killings#but it is ALSO on rhaegar not just for creating that situation but abdicating his duties to his family to be a fuckass predator#this is like sixth grade reasoning honestly#i think some of you are just incredibly stupid
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OG Choi Han they could never make me hate you cause if some random rich boy was yelling at me and telling me my family deserved to die like a day after it happened and all I wanted was to know how I could get help Iād beat him up too
This plus the added fact that the Harris Village people were the first people to take Choi Han in and take care of him after years and years in the dark forest. Like heās obviously not going to be mentally stable after all that, and he was so young when everything happened to him like I cannot blame him at all. I donāt think I can ever hate OG Choi Han like ever, heās flawed, he has problems, but I love him dearly. He deserves the world. This kid who had to fight for his life, was taken away from his family, and in the process had to give up parts of his own humanity to survive, and like went to war two years later, they could never make me hate u OG Choi Hanā¦
Like yeah violence is bad I guess but OG Cale had it coming(saying this as an OG Cale fan, I love him, but he was mean as hell when he was younger!)
If Iām honest, I think they were both in the wrong to an extent. Like OG Cale shouldnāt have said all that no matter the circumstances, and OG Choi Han shouldnāt have beaten him up so much. But u say mean shit and you get hit, that is how it will work when youāre talking to the guy who just saw his entire village get murdered like idkkkk man
I understand where OG Cale was coming from, but he had many issues and while he wasnāt an awful person, he was capable of doing bad things because of his own internalized pain and emotions that he never got to properly process because of his emotionally distant childhood and relationship with his father who should have been there for him more when he was younger.
Okay speaking of his childhood, Deruth isnāt the WORST father in the world but there are a lot of things he could have done better. I think a lot of Deruthās flaws come from his fear of failure and messing up. Heās scared of doing the wrong thing, and so he sticks to doing what he knows and using what he knows best. Thatās why he uses his money, thatās why gift giving is his way of showing affection, he knows that it is one thing he cannot mess up.
The problem is that money and gifts is NOT what OG Cale needed. I think what that guy needed the most was a parent who wasnāt afraid to talk to him, to ask him questions. Not to say that Deruth gave up on OG Cale, but I think in a way he gave up on OG Cale by giving up on himself. Deruth didnāt trust himself to have the capabilities to talk to OG Cale, which is why he never did. Itās because that Deruth was scared, and didnāt trust himself, that he could never face OG Cale
If Deruth was able to trust himself a little more, and pull himself together, I donāt think OG Cale would have turned out the way he did. As a kid, he probably thought the only way he could help his family without relying on anyone(no doubt this whole āI have to do it myselfā thing came from the fact that he couldnāt rely on his father when his mom died, and instead was acting as a pillar of support for his father when it should have been the other way around) was to sabotage himself, the only heir. If he was shown to be unfit to be heir, then everyone else would have no choice but to direct their hatred towards him instead of his family.
If Deruth had talked to his son at least ONCE when he was a kid, asking him why he was upset or why he did the things he did, I think OG Cale would have told him. Why? Because heās a kid!! A kid will obviously want to rely on his father, if he just had one sign telling him that he didnāt have to do it alone Iām 90% sure OG Cale would have said something.
Basically, while Deruth isnāt the worst father, heās not really a great father either. I think he does do his best, but he has issues with communication lol
OG Cale and OG Choi Han are both complex characters and had their own reasons to behave the way they did. The thing is with people is that theyāre complicated and have layers, so the situation with them would have layers behind it as well with multiple co-existing truths and stuff
#guys Iām a big fan of Choi Han#and I get sad when people bring up this scene and all the blame is on him#like okay he was wrong but if YOU saw your entire family dead and some random rich boy started yelling abt how their lives were worthless#youād be mad too no?#like his feelinsg were totally justified cause OG Cale was REALLY mean in that scene#ātheir lives are worth less than the bottle in my handā OHHHHH OKAY OG CALE THATS ENOUGH THATS ENOUGHHHH#I love OG Cale but u have to admit he wasnāt very nice when he was younger#like the statements āhe had his reasonsā ābeing trash was an actā āhe wasnāt a bad personā ābut he did say bad thingsā can co exist#yes being trash was an act but he is ALSO capable of saying mean things and things that are wrong#LIKE TELLING THE GUY WHO JUST GOT HIS FAMILY MURDERED THAT THEIR LIVES WERE WORTHLESS#HE WAS NOT INNOCENT FOR THAT#Younger OG Cale is not a black and white character#and neither is older OG Cale but this post isnāt abt him#okay Iām gonna bring up someone who isnāt from TCF#but take Eunyung Baek from no home as an example okay#eunyung did bad things and was a bad person because of his childhood right#the reasons to being a bad person do not take away the bad things he did#but just cause he did bad things and was capable of them did not mean he could not change#I love OG Cale a LOT and I just think that his character has a lot behind it#Older OG Cale is obviously very different from his younger self#years and years of war and tragedy have matured him and like heās not the same person he was anymore#okay back to Choi Han I love that guy I will defend him with my life#beating up people is wrong yeah but with the circumstances Iād say OG Cale had it coming#like okay it would be different if it was unprovoked but it was very much provoked#I swear I love OG Cale I just think he was very wrong for that#not to say he canāt change or isnāt capable of change he definitely is#idk I guess my point is that OG Cale was wrong but he changed as a person#and OG Choi Han was wrong for beating him up so much but it wasnāt unjustifiable#tcf#lcf
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just the thought of them trying to make it seem consensual makes me SO mad because ANDREW WAS SO INJURED!!! HE HAD A CONCUSSION!!! HE COULDN'T SIT DOWN WITHOUT PAIN!!! HE MUST'VE BEEN COVERED IN BRUISES TOO!!! KILL THE PROSECUTOR!!!!!! Anyway just casually getting mad as if this is a real case oopsie
YUP!!!! yupyupyup
and Andrew is probably going to have to hear them try to make it seem like Aaron didnāt know what he was really looking at <3 that he couldāve misunderstood <3
#at least in my country we are historically not the best at treating victims of sa kindly#and this is a murder trial not a rape trial#they donāt need to prove that that was what happened#they just need to prove that it wasnāt the reason why Aaron killed Drake#and so I think theyāll do everything they can to either discredit andrew or label him unreliable#and besides take everything I say with a pinch of salt regarding trials#idk if the things Iām saying would actually be done#but Iām just saying#what if they asked about Easthaven? and why he went? and Betsy noted somewhere that he laughed?#how does that look for him?#not only having to explain all the things Drake did to him#but having to explain why he laughed#what his meds do to him#anywaysā¦ā¦..
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