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1. Jack isn't really holding back here. His anger definitely gets the better of him. Poor gas station clerk.
2. Cas immediately moves to restrain him. (Cas has rightfully determined that now's not the time for a lecture.) Meanwhile, Jack: "get out of the way, angel-dad!" (who it's okay to be rough with, because we're more equal in physique). And symbolically, it's a crotch/waist hit, too, which symbolizes Jack overpowering Heaven-Father, which is a big warning sign within a family unit:
3. Earth-Dad Dean gets Jack's attention with an equalizing force. (Humans use tools to become powerful enough to take on forces bigger than themselves, after all.) This seems to snap Jack out of it.
But importantly, it's not even symbolically at the level of stun gun. It's like a little whoopin' or even a foghorn blared, just enough to get his attention. (It doesn't phase him.)
4. Next, Jack first looks to Cas, appealing to him, like "you approve of my violence, don't you?" But when he doesn't, Jack looks to Mentor-Dad-Sam, and Sam gets to deliver a voice of reason. Meanwhile, gas station guy is shaken to hear about Maggie.
Throughout all this, Sam mostly stands around yelling and acting shocked! Whereas Dean and Cas simply...aren't. Much like in Tombstone, when Cas somberly asks, post-security-guard shooting, "if this has happened before." Cas and Dean seem generally more acknowledging of the danger Jack's power poses.
5. Ashamed at his violent overreaction, and at being wrong, Jack rushes out. Dean thinks Jack's needs to be alone to stew. Perhaps, he’s right. Jack tends to need space to process, akin to Dean and Mary.
But maybe Cas's instincts are more on the money here, that Jack is fragile and needs to have the support of people around? It’s hard to say, since Lucifer finding him was very unusual, unfortunate happenstance.
Again though, Cas and Dean seem to be more on the same page in terms of not reeling from shock, but immediately acting to respond.
were you the one who called dean shooting jack to get his attention a spanking because I can't stop thinking about that lol
I did! In this instance, it's only the visual of pulling a gun on your child that's bad IMHO. Because Jack is unleashing angelic, overpowered rage on an innocent minumum-wage-gas-station-worker! Cas moves to full-body tackle Jack, and Jack throws his angel-dad across the room.
Only then does Dean pull the gun and give him a lil' whoopin'!
#spn parenting#asks#dean/cas + parenting#sam + lectures#cas + angel father#dean + earth dad#sam + mentor dad#sam + conscience#dean + equalizer#tfw + the violent adolescent
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“wincest isn’t canon!” dean winchester canonically thinks that “little brother” is a synonym for “wife”
#he doesn’t (and won’t) treat sam like an equal brother. he treats him like a wife/atticwife/cheating wife because it’s how he sees sam#and sam is so used (stockholmed) to it he doesn’t really want to break their toxic marriage. because of codependency#honestly more wincest shippers should embrace the canon toxicity & horror of their dynamic (because of dean’s unhealthy obsession with sam)#it’s literally the main reason why they’re so codependent#dean winchester#sam winchester#wincest#samdean#spn
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If Dean Winchester was an animal he’d be one of those cats who screams and sticks it’s paw under the bathroom door when you’re taking a shit because he gets that much separation anxiety and he HAS to come sit in bathroom with you but the second you open the door he immediately stops giving a fuck and leaves.
#I should write a fic I love making him fucking annoying and equal parts clingy#spn#supernatural#dean winchester
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love love LOVE when I’m watching a late season spn recap and they use an out of context soundbite from the early seasons
#them always using the she’s a demon Sam! quote for meg#bitch he said that about ruby 1.0#equally love when they butcher a quote from literally like 2 eps ago to make it make more sense#the I gotta find dad it’s the only thing I’ve been thinking about line#uh he originally said that about Jessica’s killer not John#supernatural#spn#dean winchester#sam winchester#castiel
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dean and cas love and trust each other unconditionally. they give and they forgive easily. there is never a debt to settle. never a score to keep. i'd rather have you, cursed or not. i prefer trusting, less dumb less ass. i'll go with you (again and again and again). i forgive you, i need you. of course i forgive you. of course i wanted you to stay. i've got you. i love you. etc etc. they are best friends first and foremost. they can talk to each other and be real. they know when the other is lying about being "fine" and they call each other out on it. and then they listen. they get angry sometimes, and miscommunicate often, but they are always approaching everything with the desire to understand, to work together. they worry. they make bad choices sometimes out of a desire to protect the other. keep each other out of a situation and out of the loop. take on the burden for the other. all these flaws and wrong choices are still rooted in love and care. they care SO much. that love and care is at the center of everything they do.
#can u tell i'm annoyed at what someone said on one of my posts lol#to say that dean and cas are constantly indebted to each other and what keeps them together is a long list of IOUs is ????? ludicrous#and to also say they don't fully trust each other until the confession and also saying dean has finally 'earned' cas' unconditional love ??#like that completely misses the Point of their relationship and friendship which is literally literally built on trust and being Equals#and love was never something either of them had to 'earn' from the other#vic.txt
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there is interesting johndean subtext and insinuations across kripke era, usually through an antagonist insinuating parent-child sexual violence in order to exert dominance over dean. this type of mockery exploits that ambiguous relationship between john and dean and reminds dean that he never had a normal relationship with his father, and that makes him gross and wrong. it doesn't actually matter in the end whether john was sexually abusive to dean. the core of their relationship was damning enough: dean was made to take the place of john's wife—to comfort john and raise sam—while simultaneously being his son. the codependent nature of their relationship implies the incest that underscores their dynamic. again, this is regardless of what literally occurred between dean and john because there is enough doubt toward the nature of their relationship that multiple antagonists can use it against them.
sonwife, brotherhusband—dean is stuck in a liminal space between family and lover and is unable to put his feet firmly on just one side and instead has to accept both together or abandon both together. he doesn't get to have a relationship with his family without it being simultaneously incestuous. he plays the role of wife to john and mother to sam as mary's replacement; he therefore becomes more than a son and transcends the boundaries of the familial into the incestuous. it's baked into the dynamic and he can't hope to escape the liminality in which he's stuck without abandoning his entire family altogether.
this ambiguous relationship is further acted out with sam, where people perceive them as lovers rather than brothers; where their mutual devotion trumps, neglects, and disallows any other close relationship outside each other; where their physical closeness is viewed through an unusually sexual lens despite no literal sex acts between them taking place on screen. once again dean is stuck in a liminal space, paralleling the ambiguous and uncertain relationship he had with john.
in the end, sex (and sexual violence) is just a symbol of this codependency and uncertainly incestuous dynamic. sex acts in kripke era end up being symbolic: misinterpretations of sam and dean's relationship; accusations of sexual violence; literal, on-screen sexual moments between the brothers and someone else. it's a literary device that highlights the incestuous themes of the show. dean hand-picks women for sam to fuck because it allows dean to be symbolically part of sam's sex life. henricksen accuses john of raping dean because it is a symbol of the unhealthy, codependent relationship dean had with his father. the samulet stays on during sex because sam is symbolically integral to dean's sexual gratification (seen too in the way both dean and cassie in 1.13 appear to kiss the amulet at least once in the dark room). sex is used to signify more than what's literally on the screen, and the connections between the literal sex acts and the blurred lines of dean's familial relationships allow for a reading of incest between both john and dean and sam and dean.
it never mattered whether johndean or samdean had a sexual relationship in the canon because that was never the point. the point is the liminality that permeates the narrative. sam, dean, and john all stand upon a threshold between acceptable and taboo. the point of it all is the doubt and anxiety, the are-they-aren't-they that is never answered. the absence of incest within the text invites the understanding that the incest was, in fact, always there.
#supernatural#wincest#samdean#johndean#i've been thinking about this yesterday since i talked about it with mac#figured i could share it here too and hopefully move on lol#i tried so hard to make this easy to understand but i fear that i will be misinterpreted nonetheless#i suppose that's what happens when your topic of choice is literally Doubt Uncertainty and Liminality#i focused this on dean's relation to the liminal incest of the narrative only because he's the common thread between johndean and samdean#obviously sam dean and john all equally occupy the liminal space here#dean simply worked as a good focal point through which i could make the argument#.txt#spn posting
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i’m sure this has been said before but when adam and michael are talking in the bunker about the possibility of michael’s dad being a grade a asshole, there’s something so so so important to me about how adam points out michael’s hypocrisy.
ADAM: Point is…. Parents keep secrets. Does it hurt to ask the question?
MICHAEL: Yes! It would mean I doubt him. The good son; the favorite doubts his father.
ADAM: You still care about that? After he left you in the cage?
this matters because michael was JUST criticizing sam and dean for leaving adam and how he is in unable to trust them. he doubts them because of their actions.
MICHAEL: You’re asking me to trust you. You who doomed me, you who let Lucifer walk free while your own brother sat in Hell.
in turn, adam is pointing out that clearly michael has a line for his family members and it’s been crossed by michael’s own, so why is his dad any different than sam or dean? what makes michael different than adam? why does his dad get to betray and abandon him and still get michael’s trust and loyalty? why is michael expendable?
he’s really tapping into michael’s beliefs that were just established to us as the audience at the diner. (ie: family sometimes hurts you and just because they’re blood relatives or ‘family’ doesn’t mean they have your best interests at heart. sometimes there are things more important than family, sometimes walking away from your family is freedom) and he’s holding michael to the same standard he’s set for the winchesters.
side note: another thing i enjoy about this interaction is that adam is being gentle, although it 100% appears as if they’ve had this conversation before since he literally rolls his eyes, and not to mention that michael is an archangel. he could easily be mean or not even care about his feelings or michael could not even take his opinion into account and do what he wants. but despite everything, adam asks for michael to listen to him, and he does. and in turn adam appeals to him with logic and reasoning, because he’s overall a very rational and strategic being that’s simply been groomed from the get go in his dad’s weird cult. adam appeals to his emotions in a way that’s familiar. they share this experience. adam knows michael is protective of him and that it’s easy for michael to hate sam and dean for the same things his dad has done. but michael’s own lack of self worth that was drilled into him by his dad for aeons is being challenged, and it’s uncomfortable for him, but adam doesn’t back down and he helps get through to him. it’s really a great scene. this post wasn’t meant to be so long but yeah i have lots of thoughts about this short interaction!
#also the fact that michael compares him and adam being together for years (around 50k) as comparable in importance….#he’s not saying that adam is less important he’s presenting a logical fallacy. there’s been so much time. he can’t change his belief now#it’s been eternity! what does that mean for him? it’s the logic of the sunk cost fallacy#he’s invested so much time in it that he has to continue and adam is pulling him away with appealing to his compassion for a situation#adam was also in. and the nail in the coffin was castiel showing him those memories. it’s one of the reasons why#15x19 feels so odd because he is very 0-100. he 100% had faith his father and then had no faith in him#so it feels kinda ooc for him to suddenly go back when he spent 6 months coming to terms with something he had already been questioning#then for him to go back to his dad? why? what does he gain? both he and lucifer actually have this issue where their motivations aren’t#exactly established. we can assume lucifer is told a paradise type fantasy where he gets to have jack or something of equal importance#and we can assume michael is told that he will bring adam back but both of them have been betrayed so many times (and so recently) it’s#whiplash for them to be suddenly team god again. also michael killing lucifer is ooc imo as well#it just feels too convenient considering jack needed to absorb more power in regards to both their deaths#anyway lol#supernatural#adam milligan#dean winchester#sam winchester#spn#michael spn#15x08#spn 15x08
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it’s very very interesting to me when fandom looks at dean, the guy who consistently sacrifices his own life to save/bring back sam, and goes ‘he’s so scary so mean he’d kill anyone and destroy the world to keep sam chained to him’ meanwhile sam, the guy who actually did sacrifice the world to save dean and said with his whole chest he’d do it again zero hesitation, gets the ‘poor baby <3 he wants to be free from dean so bad someone save him’ treatment
#and by interesting i mean equal parts confusing and hilarious#which is not to say dean wouldn’t do terrible things to save sam#but he does have limits. and after a point he’s like we should both be dead actually. meanwhile sam’s ready to harvest organs and#be frankenstein-esque zombies together forever#just say you can’t handle who they actually are#supernatural#sam and dean#samdean#.txt
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Dean Winchester and Shawn Spencer would be making out sloppy style before the SPN/Psych crossover episode even got through the cold open send tweet
#disastrous bisexual men being disasters with each other#this crackship is goated and i won't hear one word otherwise#shawn spencer#dean winchester#spn#psych#psych usa#this is to say nothing of jensen ackles and James roday Rodriguez themselves#they'd be eyefucking in character for the whole episode#they do a fist bump and both sam and gus get visibly annoyed#these are two men who *get* their characters#dean ABSOLUTELY figures out shawns deal in the first fifteen minutes#shawn is both terrified and aroused and flirts with him HARD the entire episode#dean flirts back equally hard#lassie and jules and cas get intensely jealous but can't explain why#please someone see my vision
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it is SO funny to me when people say things like ‘by the end of the show sam and dean’s relationship is a lot better!! they’re not constantly fighting anymore!! :)’. girl that’s because sam mostly stopped ‘fighting against dean’ (striving for autonomy or questioning him) and let dean become sole arbiter of narrative, decision making, and morality🙏
#like true! they have settled into a peaceful dynamic! is it an equal one… no <3#spn#and i love it <3#sam & dean
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SPN season 16 except Sam goes back to school and get shell shocked by the change in atmosphere and vibes
#signed a girl who is going back to earn another degree#no one knows where the library is and everything is done online now#dont even get me STARTED on acting like a hacker to bypass duo verification to access my own fucking canvas account#is this niche this might be niche#OH ALSO Im the only student in my classes who actually reads the prompts and doesnt use AI#and apparently there are fake accounts that take up enrollment so I dont even know if the student Im talking to on discussion posts is real#i graduated in 2023 WHAT HAPPENED IN THE COURSE OF ONE YEAR#Sam would be just as equally confused and frustrated and venting constantly and Dean would just be like :/ damn#supernatural#spn#spn shitposts#sam winchester
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sam and dean are not equally abusive. sam doesn’t feel the need to have physical power or control over dean and he’s not possessive to the same extent (he is possessive but it’s not the same as dean’s desperate need to own his brother like he’s his property)
#sam lashes out once (after dean calls him a monster mind you) and feels miserable and pathetic and guilty af afterwards#and his guilt leads to him submitting to dean even more#dean is willing to hurt sam to control him and he thinks he does the right thing that he does it FOR sam which is way more fucked up#i still don’t get where the popular take that they’re equally violent towards each other comes from#the wincest dynamic is about the cycles and it started with john#dean literally says the exact same things that john used to say to sam lol they couldn’t be more unsubtle here
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Just me thinking about the narrative parallels between Castiel and Frankenstein's monster...
#both created by a higher being#equally shunned by them/their “family”#just wants to help and love and enjoy the small things#but ultimately this is their largest flaw#because who they are?#they will never fit in#or be accepted#maybe by those who cant see the real them#but they are doomed to die to the things they love and tale interest in by their own hand#because without the people that shaped them to be who they are they are nothing#supernatural#spn#frankenstein#frankenstiensmonster#castiel#victor frankenstein#dean winchester#chuck shirley#chuck supernatural#destiel
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The thing about spn au’s with no supernatural elements is that you can take dean and give him a shitty home life and he’ll be pretty much the same guy but something brain melting has to happen to cas to make him like that.
#my silly little posts#just like. either that or you have to be really good at writing and portraying mental illness.#but brain melting is better cause if dean can have his moving around backstory but cas is some gay guy you loose five points#they either BOTH get bland washed or both get to be weird. equality
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*must be an incest aficionado or at least shipping adjacent in some way (can be reblogged for greater sample size)
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