#johndean

[naturalsuper]

Is it just me, or does anyone else sometimes think that John would make Dean go on a hunt alone or go to Bobby's house to be alone with Sammy?

absolutely. when dean kinda started to catch up on what was going on and he would invite sam everywhere with him for a while, refused to leave him home alone with john for no longer than absolutely necessary. mostly because he was jealous and wanted sam all for himself but also there was this horrible need to be the favorite son and to be his dad's best little boy forever.

he still couldnt say no to john when he sent him on hunts, fuming whenever he came back to find sams neck covered in hickeys which he always explained by 'oh i went out with some girl' which dean knew was bullshit.

it took the three of them quite a while tonlearn to share

[omgaverse]

woke up. logged onto this stupid website. fought the war on incest on the side of incest. and tomorrow? the same thing.

[trashgyrl]

what if neither john or dean had died

a 45 year old dean and his 70 year old top (i mean father)

[tgtbata]

'cause they could sew your hands together but they can't make you pray

[incesthemes]

there is interesting johndean subtext and insinuations across kripke era, usually through an antagonist insinuating parent-child sexual violence in order to exert dominance over dean. this type of mockery exploits that ambiguous relationship between john and dean and reminds dean that he never had a normal relationship with his father, and that makes him gross and wrong. it doesn't actually matter in the end whether john was sexually abusive to dean. the core of their relationship was damning enough: dean was made to take the place of john's wife—to comfort john and raise sam—while simultaneously being his son. the codependent nature of their relationship implies the incest that underscores their dynamic. again, this is regardless of what literally occurred between dean and john because there is enough doubt toward the nature of their relationship that multiple antagonists can use it against them.

sonwife, brotherhusband—dean is stuck in a liminal space between family and lover and is unable to put his feet firmly on just one side and instead has to accept both together or abandon both together. he doesn't get to have a relationship with his family without it being simultaneously incestuous. he plays the role of wife to john and mother to sam as mary's replacement; he therefore becomes more than a son and transcends the boundaries of the familial into the incestuous. it's baked into the dynamic and he can't hope to escape the liminality in which he's stuck without abandoning his entire family altogether.

this ambiguous relationship is further acted out with sam, where people perceive them as lovers rather than brothers; where their mutual devotion trumps, neglects, and disallows any other close relationship outside each other; where their physical closeness is viewed through an unusually sexual lens despite no literal sex acts between them taking place on screen. once again dean is stuck in a liminal space, paralleling the ambiguous and uncertain relationship he had with john.

in the end, sex (and sexual violence) is just a symbol of this codependency and uncertainly incestuous dynamic. sex acts in kripke era end up being symbolic: misinterpretations of sam and dean's relationship; accusations of sexual violence; literal, on-screen sexual moments between the brothers and someone else. it's a literary device that highlights the incestuous themes of the show. dean hand-picks women for sam to fuck because it allows dean to be symbolically part of sam's sex life. henricksen accuses john of raping dean because it is a symbol of the unhealthy, codependent relationship dean had with his father. the samulet stays on during sex because sam is symbolically integral to dean's sexual gratification (seen too in the way both dean and cassie in 1.13 appear to kiss the amulet at least once in the dark room). sex is used to signify more than what's literally on the screen, and the connections between the literal sex acts and the blurred lines of dean's familial relationships allow for a reading of incest between both john and dean and sam and dean.

it never mattered whether johndean or samdean had a sexual relationship in the canon because that was never the point. the point is the liminality that permeates the narrative. sam, dean, and john all stand upon a threshold between acceptable and taboo. the point of it all is the doubt and anxiety, the are-they-aren't-they that is never answered. the absence of incest within the text invites the understanding that the incest was, in fact, always there.

[odesofmeddea]

father is a god and a wound and a murderer

[flowersintheimpala69]

johndean

[fujobrainrot]

But what else could I do?

this quote from John's journal kept bumping around in my head. In context, it's about how he forced Dean to grow up too fast, but for this post, it's about John making Dean his his little wife.

[wowsosad]

You see daddycest is important to me cause um. Cause you see um. The complexities are uh. Like the contrast and perhaps the uh. You see it’s just, the way that they uh, they um, they. They. Um. The Winchesters are just so. Uh. They um. They. You see. Uh. It’s just. Um. Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

[kokabeeeel]

carnally craving a close relative was nothing new to dean; his father was the first man he ever wished to touch, to caress, to kiss.

he wanted to be his fathers bride: an equal and a lover.

john had stopped being his father way back in that dark november, but he grew to be a business partner instead; work place relationships weren’t that bizarre after all.

but as he grew older, he came to realise that if he was to be under any mans thumb, to kneel before any being, it was his brother.

whatever sammy wanted, sammy would get.

as sammy grew older; kissing girls and talking about his own sexual experiences — albeit in lesser details that what dean would give — dean discovered a whole new craving.

he’d go looking for the girls sammy had been with; tracking them down with the same intensity he would a wendigo, or black dog, or some supernatural entity, and drag them into bed with him.

shoving his dick into them, tracing his nails down their bodies, and licking the backs of their teeth: he feels sam, he tastes sam.

getting whatever sloppy seconds from his brother; shoving himself into a hole that has already moulded itself to fit his brother, stirs awake something deep within him.

it makes him sick.

it makes him hard.

biting into the neck of a girl he knows sam was with last night — the hickeys he’d left haven’t faded in the slightest — he tries not to moan out his brothers name.

he’s almost grateful the girls name is samantha.

[naturalsuper]

im on that johndean streak

[omgaverse]

someone every episode: can you imagine what that’s like? losing someone you love?

dean “dadfucker sibling incest poster boy whose dad traded his soul for him and who traded his soul for his brother after he died in his arms” winchester pretending to be an fbi agent, eye twitching: no wow. damn. can’t imagine.

[wastemanjohn]

what would he do, do, do without me?

[all-yourn]

dean winchester & “gibson girl” by ethel cain [on youtube]

[trashgyrl]

dean being actively groomed by john to believe letting his father touch him is ok (as a substitute of mary): boring

dean's obsession and love for his father turning into sexual desire and servitude, doing everything in his power to replace his mother memories in john's heart: groundbreaking

[odesofmeddea]

dean, john, and azazel via the lense of... monstrous?