#cw wilbur soot

[copepods]

want to go back in time to 2021, find a single dsmp fan, and tell them that ranboo and slimecicle took pole dancing lessons, quackity was involved in a scandal surrounding poor working conditions for server employees, tubbo and tommyinnit are legally married, and jschlatt is considered less controversial and of higher social standing than wilbur soot

[thund3randrain]

real footage of me when even more of the people who defined my childhood/early teens turn out to be shitheads

[casawio]

i think about this video every day . "unnecessarily long" and its an hour long. Mother fucker you couldn't even explain burner44z in an hour

[chayannesegg]

honestly I think it’s kinda interesting how phil’s relationships with wilbur, tallulah, chayanne & tubbo are all reflecting back into his view of sunny tbh. like he has such complex delicate interwoven dynamics with all of them and it all gets thrown onto sunny, this poor kid who he loves in theory, but in practice is a stranger to him. 

like wilbur left tallulah in phil’s care and didn’t come back. even now way after he was initially supposed to, wilbur hasn’t returned (that one day aside). and phil, who had already taken on a big commitment watching tallulah, has been left permanently with two eggs in his sole care. and even though he loves tallulah and wil, and won’t want them out of his life, this is a stress for him. it’s a big undertaking for anyone, to care for two kids alone, but especially since tallulah required a lot of changes in his life.

for better or worse, in many ways phil sees chayanne as an extension of himself. they’re similar in a lot of ways, and often on the same page, and it means phil often struggles to catch up when chayanne’s emotions aren’t on the same page as him. we’ve seen this week, phil having such a hard time understanding the depth and breadth of chayanne’s grief. when he catches on, he usually does a good job empathising and talking it through, but when he doesn’t, he really doesn’t and it can be hard to watch. 

the same is NOT true for tallulah. he has, through hard work and practice, learnt how to identify her emotions. he had to. she needed it. she would have been miserable otherwise. she desperately needed asked for the emotional care and birthdays and consideration that chayanne would never ask for. and he’s good at it—tracking her moods, knowing what upsets her & what she cares about in a way that doesn’t come as naturally with chayanne (or sunny or tubbo or anyone else really expect maybe wilbur). but that took A LOT of time and effort, months of work, and I do think he’s a bit wary of the idea of having to do that again, even when it comes to people he loves like chayanne (or god forbid tubbo).

now tubbo is not wil. tubbo is not phil's son. but he’s still not dissimilar to wil in phil’s mind. whatever the backstory is, phil introduces tubbo to tallulah as an old friend of him and wil’s. he makes tubbo his kids’ godfather. he calls tubbo his boy. he looks out for him. but past those first few weeks, their relationship doesn’t progress. they mean a lot to each other bc of their pasts, but they don’t put any work into upkeeping their relationship and phil in particular doesn’t reflect at all on what how that changes their dynamic. and it does change it—this is clear in purgatory, with phil having zero trust in tubbo to protect chayanne and tallulah, and after, with tubbo endlessly poking at phil’s sore spots trying to illicit a reaction he’ll never receive. 

it's also clear in the way phil has no understanding of what’s going on with tubbo. if he’s struggling to grasp chay’s emotions, he’s not even touching what’s going on in tubbo’s head. tubbo’s death makes no sense to him. it’s sudden. it’s random. it’s illogical. it’s stupid. he wasn’t joking about having two lives? he still took a death bet with richas? he’s not come back? he can’t come back? he’s left phil with distraught kids for no reason with no warning. he doesn’t see the erratic suicidal behaviour, the unending depression, the desperation to be loved. he doesn’t want to see it. he doesn’t want something to be wrong with tubbo, but he also doesn’t even know how to see what’s wrong. he’s annoyed he’s having to deal with it and he desperately desperately wants to believe this is all happening for no reason.

bc at the forefront of phil’s mind is still his love for tubbo. of course, phil would drop everything to help tubbo (if he could recognize something was wrong). of course, he would care for sunny as his own. of course, he would make the same sacrifices he’s made for wil. and he assumes he’ll have to. he thought that sunny would now be under his care. that he’d have to figure out the logistics of a third egg to care for. with wilbur, phil was the only person who could ever have taken care of tallulah. the only person he trusted, the only person who knew tallulah enough. now this isn’t true for tubbo. it’s a genuinely illogical assumption for phil to make: three eggs would be a genuine burden on him; they've never spoken about it; there’s a long list of people who would tubbo expects for sunny before; and he doesn’t even know sunny well enough to name these people for her as comfort.

but still in the moment, alone with tubbo’s eggs and dealing with everything he left behind, phil can only think that the exact same thing that happened before will happen: he alone will be left to care for another scared hurt kid of someone he loves.

and here we come to sunny. a kid whose dad he loves. a kid whose dad he doesn’t understand. a kid whose dad is suddenly gone like his son is gone. a kid who would need him like his daughter needs him. a kid who his son needs to protect. a kid he cares for. a kid he can’t afford to care for, a kid he wasn’t expecting to care for, a kid he doesn’t know how to care for, a kid he would care for if he needed to, a kid he doesn’t know why he’s been left to care for. a kid who is somehow a reflection of all these people he loves but not someone he knows at all.

idk i think this tension comes out in the a lot of the comments phil makes of and to sunny. he doesn't know them well enough to distinguish them from his relationships with other people. and as long as no one challenges him on that, we'll continue to hear these misplaced comments from him, that come across so insensitively, even as he tries his best to genuinely help them and their dad.

[dogin8]

Wilbur Soot has obviously read the Callmecarson handbook on how to handle being outed as an awful individual

[normal-enderman]

EDIT: I GOT THE SIDES MIXED UP BECAUSE THE ARC WAS SO SHITTILY WRITTEN AND VIOLENTLY MISCHARACTERISED THAT I COULD ONLY COPE BY SCOURING THE DETAILS FROM MY MEMORY. IM STILL LEAVING THIS HERE BECAUSE I THINK MY POINT STANDS REGARDLESS.

I will never get over how bad and stupid the burger arc was, and how it was so obviously ccWilbur aggrandising his character with zero consideration for the other characters in the story, which I COULDN'T SAY AT THE TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE JUMPED ME FOR DARING TO SUGGEST CCWILBUR WAS A BAD WRITER. BUT I CAN SAY IT NOW!!!

It's so fucking stupid because cTubbo would have NEVER worked for cWilbur. His whole characterisation following Doomsday and The Final Confrontation centres around making himself powerful so that he will never have to subjugate himself to someone else again. While cTubbo doesn't have a whole lot of self-preservation or value for his life, one of his most powerful driving motivators is SHAME.

He's ashamed that he was used, he’s ashamed of himself for being so trusting and being so weak (in his eyes), and allowing people to hurt him and use him as a pawn. He's desperate for agency and to overcome his weakness, the one thing he fears most is being used as a tool again (even though the mindset of seeing himself as a weakling and an object without his own agency is so deeply entrenched that no matter how strong he gets externally, he still sees himself as a target just waiting to inevitably be taken advantage of - but that's off-topic). Point is, you can flip this on it's head: surprisingly, part of cTubbo's motivation centres around personal pride (although very fragile and isolated to very specific areas). He stays alive because he wants to PROVE he's not a tool, he keeps making himself stronger to prove he's not someone who should be messed with, he builds a big mansion and a whole island village just to prove to himself that he is strong, that he is projecting an image of strength and wealth and success, and he is FINE, thank you (he's not).

So WHY. THE FUCK. Would someone who's entire, teetering, fragile sense of identity relies on being seen as strong, powerful, independent, threatening, successful, wealthy - WHY would someone like that WORK FOR SOMEONE. Who HURT LOTS OF PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT. In a SHITTY MINIMUM WAGE JOB. Where ANYONE can ROLL UP AND SEE CTUBBO. Being SUBJUGATED and SECOND IN COMMAND to SOMEONE ELSE. In SHITTY DEGRADING WORKING CONDITIONS.

The "I have no purpose anymore" thing is nowhere NEAR enough to justify something that runs so counter to who cTubbo is, and belies a deep lack of understanding or interest in the character on the part of ccWilbur. It's true that cTubbo is like a clockwork machine running without purpose, only still moving because he's driven by his fear and shame and anger at himself. That's why noticing that he felt purposeless was a really big moment, character-wise - it was cTubbo breaking out of his cycle of fear and anger enough to realise, "wait, this isn't actually helping anything. This isn't doing anything for me. I don't feel better". And that's SO FREAKING HUGE for a character who centres so much on denial and self-blame. Even developing enough to realise that how he feels MATTERS and is something he should be allowed to want to change is a huge step forward.

But making the jump from that to "he would turn to cWilbur to try and find purpose again" is ABSURD and ILLOGICAL and FUCKING STUPID. cTubbo barely knows cWilbur. cTubbo has a HUSBAND, who he trusted enough to talk to about his execution, and a best friend who he has grown distant from but could reach out to and reconnect with. As well as just - literally anyone else on the server who cTubbo doesn't know well, if he wanted to spend time with someone who didn't feel so painfully close. cWilbur hurt cTubbo, hurt cTubbo's friends, his actions impacted everyone negatively, and he’s still stuck in the same stupid cycles of land and borders and war while everyone else has moved on. cTubbo is motivated by shame at his weakness, which inversely means he has pride - he wouldn’t ally with someone who hurt him, and he wouldn’t subjugate himself to someone else, especially not someone weaker than him.

Sure, I expect he'd want some sort of closure from cWilbur - but that would be a conversation where cTubbo would be taking whatever steps necessary to feel like he and cWilbur were equals, and probably overcompensating in the process. He would never intentionally place himself in a role subordinate to cWilbur.

[lebloodymoonsystem]

Yk I’m really starting to realise the pain of being a bur fictive bc some people’ll automatically assume I think Willbur soot is good but no, I talk shit about him with Techno and it’s really fun. Meanwhile the other burs rather not have him be mentioned bc of trauma. Really fucked situation when you think about it.. ik it’s been like a while since it happened but it still affects us in a kinda traumatising way.. - Revivebur

[fandomdemigirl]

thoughts and prayers are with you, Australians

[ozzybutweirdthistime]

// tw wilbur soot

what the fuck do you mean he’s on the internet again

[crystalsandbubbletea]

You know you're a very shitty person when even DREAM calls you out for it.

And apparently he also INTENTIONALLY hurt Technoblade during his last months of living!?

For those wondering if the Wilbur intentionally hurting Technoblade was real or not:

[thund3randrain]

i physically can't look at any more stuff on wilbur or im gonna break down

how fucking dare he

of course now is when i get back into mcyt

after the dream stuff i said never again but here i fucking am

everything i find comfort in turns out to be wrong

fuck wilbur and his stupid apology

shubble is so brave for talking about him, especially since wilbur is a much more known person with a much larger fanbase, and im so proud of her

now ive got to explain for the second time to my brother why we cant watch a creator he likes anymore, a creator i introduced him to

whats the point anymore

[c-bedrockbros]

there's no way Wilbur posted a video on his insta story like nothing happened... "hi 🙂 I'm back from my break 🙂" girl....

[hermitcraftx]

yall will really do anything for a boring ass whiteboy lmfao

also in no way shape or form am i defending wilbur fucking soot but what is with the differences here. were they not both abusive and shitty to women like george fucking sexually assaulted someone. can youtube stop putting this shit in my fucking recommended im sick of seeing abuser sympathy for george and clout chasing wilbur. copying blood into his mouth and using shelby being abused for clout is DISGUSTING. the differences??? between the situations?? actually making me see red rn But whatever ive hated george for years. jesus christ

[genevawrenn]

Probably the only thing I will say on the problems surrounding Wilbur and the CC himself atm, its a litte raw coming from someone who mained SBI for nearly two years.

That character is one I took for myself, DSMP in a lot of ways was built on fan content made canon, leaving a lot of open room for changes.

Hell I had a whole non canon pantheon and various powers I gave different characters in the ways I chose to portray them.

I am very upset about how it all went down but am using the energy to push towards my original writing and less online time.

I will still talk about fandom related things! You know I will, I've been loving my time on this platform. Its a lot more chill than others like a certain birb app.

These past 2 years I have been finally addressing a lot of my mental health concerns and done some self-evaluation, escapism is a bad habit of mine I am working on dialing back.

I am still very passionate about my writing.

I enjoy writing fanfic still because I picked it up as practice and it helped me immensely find a footing in my style once more.

I just needed to get this off my chest.

Thank you all for sticking with me through these changes. <3

[arctasy]

what is going on over there 😭😭😭😭

[tommyssupercoolblog]

"Biting isn't that bad" my brother in Christ it was never about the biting.

It's about listening to your partner (and friends) and taking their feelings seriously. It's about when someone asks you to stop doing something to them, you stop. It's about the idea that you know better than someone else how your actions affect them ("you're just being overdramatic, you can't be THAT upset come on") and how holding onto that belief makes it impossible to establish boundaries because when someone says, "don't do that", "i don't like this", you walk over it because you haven't deemed those emotions and statements "correct" or "real".

It's about how important it is that you don't just go through the motions of communication, but actually LISTEN to the person you're supposedly trying to talk to, because otherwise you WILL hurt them, over and over again, because you've filtered out their pain as illegitimate.

If someone tells you over and over again that they don't want you to do something, and you do it over and over again, it makes the other person feel unseen, unheard, maybe even powerless and inhuman. Like nothing they say matters, because it doesn't make a difference. Like you don't care. And it also hurts them in the direct way of doing the thing they aren't okay with to them.

So it's important that you listen to people. If you have a safeword, don't ignore it. If someone asks you to stop, or says you're hurting them physically OR emotionally, don't write them off.

It's not about biting it's about the importance of listening, and the refusal to accept the lesson that "oh fuck I actually DID hurt this person and now I'm in trouble, maybe I should internalize that listening to people is important and do better to listen to my loved ones in the future" and instead being like. "Okay but I still don't think you were upset and whether or not I personally think you should/would feel that way is what matters, not what you have expressed to me is what you are actually feeling."

Like If he was like "I did hurt this person over and over again. I should have believed them when they said it hurt and listened to them. This was in fact my fault and I need to actually listen to people in the future" I would be like. Oh pog okay he gets it. Cool

Instead he's like. "Uh well I personally didn't think it was upsetting and while you told me it was, like, why would I believe you when it's stupid to be upset? You should just simply not be hurt by my actions lol. I am the sole arbiter of what feelings are reasonable, and me not listening to you when you try to explain how you feel is a YOU issue. Like, why did you feel the wrong feelings? Try not feeling that way next time haha. Anyways who wants to watch me stream"