#lifesteal spoilers

[coffeegnomee]

There's something about how Mapicc will go full out on the attack over an assumption or something that fits with your reputation.

But then when confronted that that is not the truth, he will back off and say, maybe i was wrong.

But then he keeps you on the watch list and his trust is forever wavered.

There's two instances and both came up in the past month, though one was season 6 and the other season 4.

When Zam confronted Mapicc about Mawn on the first day, Mapicc confronted him back saying he only ever calls on him to fight and nothing else: tldr Zam uses him.

Zam of course is shocked and horrified that Mapicc would think that, and after going back and forth and a lot of insisting from Zam, Mapicc goes,

MAPICC: "I don't think you did. I don't think you were intending to like, use me for personal gain, but i think lowkey even if you don't agree you did- i think you did”

And then after more confrontations he goes,

MAPICC: “[pause] i think.. That maybe just a lot of people subconsciously do that and now I see it in people when it’s not happening. It's possible”

(12/15/24 "RECOLLECT" zam, conversation starts at 2:45:00)

And that interaction bothered me a lot. When it happened I thought it was a sign that Mapicc actually did start changing his mind about mawn, but by the time I wrote the post there were more mawn streams and Mapicc had clearly not been changed by that convo. So what was going on?

The rest of mawn continued, Mapicc kept denying it was all about Zam while making it all about Zam.

And on the last day, Mapicc brings back up the feeling used by Zam.

MAPICC: “i don't feel abandoned. I feel used. [..] i'm perfectly fine bro. I- I can make it back to 20 hearts, i can live on my own. Like [..] like i do some crazy ass action out of nowhere and like i die in the middle of it and the first thing you message me it to come bail you out of a bunch of wardens pit?"

Mapicc does an entire takeover of spawn and Zam doesn't enter into the play. He doesn't reciprocate. He doesn't embrace mapicc's idea. He doesn't care about him and what he cares about.

Zam just wants Mapicc when he needs help.

Stab the knife and twist it.

And all this after Mapicc put aside his "oath" (killing people whenever he thinks they deserve it) for Zam and Zam's plot. Mapicc changed himself to do stuff with Zam, but Zam wouldn't change himself to do stuff with Mapicc.

They go back and forth debating on whether or now mawn was good. Mapicc is less and less confident, while zam says he thinks it did do good but he couldn't be involved.

MAPICC: ‘what is it you would like from me” ZAM: “i don't know. Thats what im trying to figure out. Cause like, i don't even know” [..] MAPICC: “i think im in the wrong.” ZAM: "really?” MAPICC: "im sorry”  [..] Zam asks if he wants to join his team with derap and poafa. Mapicc just looks at zam. Zam says he can think about it MAPICC: "i just don't want to team with derap and poafa” ZAM: “fair enough” MAPICC: ”lets just- why can’t you just be in two teams? [..] why can't we be in the mapicc-zam team and then you have your teammates” ZAM: “[jumping on it so fast] im okay with that as well”

(12/23/24 "to ashes and blood" zam. convo starts 2:49:00)

All of mawn has been about getting Zam back to spawn, Mapicc shouting once, "just- COME OUT OF EXILE! Just come back to spawn” (1:31:40 zam "dynasties and dystopia")

There's this war within Mapicc over knowing he will continue to feel used by Zam, but still just wanting to be by Zam. All of it centers back to wanting to be teammates - doing plots together.

Bc "teammate" means something for Mapicc. It's a "do everything together" type relationship. "Support each other in all things" type relationship. Look at how he was in dualities. (before the finale. which is actually really interesting to think about)

Which brings me to the second moment Mapicc reacted aggressively only to take it back and say it was all based on assumptions: the Dupe War.

Spoke dropping the unreleased footage within the same month as the above really created a parallel within the Mapicc characterization.

57:00 MAPICC: "honestly no, honestly, here's the thing, i think, i really do, okay? I really do think it might've just been the reputation [..] you were saying some ominous things. and me and zam thought about it [..] and you kept saying things that were making your case worse and worse."

After feeling like Spoke was playing them, Mapicc went and killed Spoke. Spoke, enraged and upset, confronted Mapicc and eventually Mapicc said he acted out of turn, it might've just been the reputation.

It's so similar to the s6 belief, now I see it in people when it's not happening.

And so similar to s4, he'll admit defeat in the battle, give the benefit of the doubt. But the nagging suspicion continues and he's never quite able to shake it.

MAPICC: "I wish this guy wasn't such a snake, i would like 5 minutes hanging out with Spoke" ZAM: "[finishing sentence] without thinking he has some kind of ulterior motive"

("Night of the End", zam vod 1:54:40)

Mapicc's mind runs at a million miles an hour, making connections, providing assumptions, giving gut checks.

And he's right a lot of the time.

But he doubts himself all of the time. Going back on his observation when someone presses him in the opposite direction. Caving and placating so as to not loose a friendship.

but that self-doubt seems to be louder in the conversation that it really is within his own mind. And once he notes something it's very hard for his mind to be changed.

And it's interesting how his assumptions that Zam would oppose mawn and would be responsible for these things that kept happening, were wrong. He said during the final mawn convo that he felt like zam kept 180-ing after every convo, though he admits he was wrong about who did the suspicious things.

But the assumption that started this whole thing was that Mapicc felt used, not that Zam would oppose him.

And that assumption has still not been proven incorrect.

Though Mapicc will go along with it for now, being more cautious than before. Just like he was with Spoke after that dupe war confrontation.

It's a haunting ending, and it's not helped at all by how Mapicc ended his video. My general belief is that Mapicc went 180 on what actually happened bc the video is public and all the lifestealers will watch it, and he did say he would keep mawn going and just let it exist in people's minds. You can't do that if you end your video saying it's all over.

And yet.

MAPICC: "Me and Zam had made up, but it didn't mean we could team. If i could go back in time i would have never done mawn, but now that i have full control over spawn, i can't just stop"

it is a complete 180 from what was decided in the conversation.

and that was mapicc speaking days later, after reflection. What went on in his head, alone while editing?? Where will this go? why did he have to go skiing??

[mapicccc]

Ive been hesitant to say it bc ship wars are dumb but idgaf rn I need to say I hate kazam so much. I don't trust people who ship it because How was that dynamic enticing at all. everyone I've seen shipping it has horribly mischaracterized zam and completely removed how he actually felt about kab. there has been no comeback no resolution for things to actually be okay between them, they have completely removed each other bc of how that relationship was shaping. and of course, this is none of what they explore while shipping this.

[heartcircus]

i think bacon should bring zam to the prom . my personal opinion

[mcytegg]

i have a very unlikely crack theory that FOCUS jumped in hearts suddenly bc they found a heart dupe. and the only reason they didnt get all 3 of them to 20 was so they wouldnt raise an unreasonable, incredibly obvious amt of suspicion or smt.

[derww]

the thing that bugged me the most after watching the wormhole video is actually that we never got the proper ending for the main plot line that was in it: parrot and spoke's personal relationship.

even though spoke showed that conversation from the end of wormhole, where parrot stood in front of spoke, clutching the handle of the hyperion, and said that he refuses to let people down even if it means he has to sacrifice something very important to him, this does not answer the question hanging in the air. from the point of view of the narrator, after losing op, parrot seems to lose his autonomy, both as an antagonist and, more importantly, as spoke's best friend, after spoke himself talked almost exclusively about their friendship for an hour, both as characters and, first of all, as real people.

"i didnt just exploit a game, i exploited a friendship i had built over the years.". speaking about both parrot and mapicc, spoke mentions several separate times how much it went beyond just playing on the server, that he abused their real, actual relationship in order to achieve his goal. at the same time, spoke does not tell what happened between them – both characters and people – after him receiving an op. in the jungle part, parrot literally has almost no lines – he just stares and stares and stares and stares. until the very end of the story, he follows the path that spoke paved for him, living in the conditions created by spoke.

we see only glimpses that everything is actually – at least relatively – fine. not only because parrot continues to play within the game, but also how he complains to spoke about the unfairness of using teleportation and that after the season ending he even suggests for spoke to become the new lifesteal owner. grains that do not reflect full image. was parrot horrified and shocked, was he angry, at least for a moment, when he realized how far spoke's manipulation extended, did they have to somehow solve and discuss it, or was he immediately like, "wow, you made a lot of awesome moves, there will be cool content!" and everything was fine? sure, parrot loves risk moves and adrenalin, but wasnt it too far?

can it even be "okay" if your best friend has been manipulating you for months for a personal goal? does this cross the line of what is truly acceptable, even in a lifesteal setting? even if it's all for the sake of shared content, even if the community has the right mentality, even if no real harm has been done, even if you're willing to trust a friend that he won't cross the line, does all this change the fact that it's, in general morality, just plain cruel?

although this is undoubtedly too personal to just insert into the video, it should be noted when the whole story is about abusing irl friendship. although i absolutely understand this decision, this is by no means a critical review, from the point of view of storytelling it is strikingly incorrect, as if in the middle of writing a book the writer threw out all rules.

of course, this is an important conversation to be had on the whole – with the rules never mentioned out loud, with an unspoken agreement that everyone understands what's going on here and how, and what everyone is signing up for, when the price is friendship and connection, how far is it too far? lsers are friends, to a greater or lesser extent, but it's almost inappropriate to answer "everyone has their limits" when a relationship is at stake. everyone, including spoke himself, agrees that what he did in s4 was too much, but there were many, many other moments where everything was not so clear, and, moreover, there was no discussion, even in private, which never solves the essence of the problem.

lifesteal is not unique, but it is a very rare system in how far people can be willing to go in a war against others, despite the fact that everyone is friends: most of the pre–lifesteal stories of this approach took place on public servers and against strangers, and friends' servers either remained frivolous to one degree or another, or were scripted. post-lifesteal, many servers of a similar kind have appeared, but only a small part of them are comparable in terms of the proximity of the players and the rigidity of the approach, because it is incredibly difficult to simultaneously allow yourself to get involved as deeply as possible and, at the same time, having received a knife in the back, not want to bury the traitor underground. It's about trust, and it's about content, and it's so strikingly different for different people, and there's obviously no right answer here.

when playing league of legends, one of the important skills that every player needs to develop is not to tilt. at the same time, take the game seriously, but be ready to let go of defeat, no matter how much effort you put into the game. don't go crazy when you lose a line and die ten times, and jungler yells at you as the worst possible being. it took me a few years to stop tilting, and it carried over to minecraft too – where my friends got upset, angry, and gave up, i learned to just shrug my shoulders and try again. but that didn't teach me how to deal with betrayal, even in-game, because the worst thing about betrayal is that it always comes from someone close to you. not from an accidental co-player in a match, and not as a simple accident, but as an intention to harm, even if only in the game. it is a lot to take, and the cost is too high. and, while parrot and spoke are still good friends, parrot left owner role because of the distress it gave him, so doesn't it show the presence of a real impact.

i like that we got only half-truth tho. because it is who spoke is. when he needs you to believe him, he says something actually truthful, and then – his lie and manipulation, and you eat it because believe everything to be true. even now, spoke continues to metagame. he's fine with showing that he was a dick, and he's using that to cover a part he never wants to explain. and he wouldn't.

spoke tells the truth saying he liked to do the impossible, but it is not a full answer. while s4 ending was supposed to be a relief for him, an opportunity to stop lying and being a villain, there remains something else – not only the showdown, but the guilt, the realization that you were so wrong that you hide huge chunks and you refuse to get them for another year and a half. when everything ends, when there is nowhere else to run, reflection and awareness remain. a year and a half later, from the season 6, spoke can end the video on a positive note, but for that long-time spoke, who had just released the god from his body, covered with lightning scars everywhere, absolutely not feeling like a winner, it was a bad end, and perhaps for his character, it couldn't be good.

how old was spokeishere when he did all this, 16? there is an irony that he is the worldender, the trickster, the manipulator, and he's the youngest of them all. sometimes i want to call him dumb for not being careful enough or anything else but then i do remember how he played everyone in s4. not in a big picture, but in smalltalks, toying people while they thought him to be completely harmless. spokeishere being smart is like lifesteal having its unspoken rules – you need to be too attentive to see it. often it is like a... circles on the water. you can't see a fallen pebble, but you can see the waves radiating from it. and, in the end, he is the one who did it, who succeeded, and who am i to judge him?

minecraft roleplay can do something very wrong with you, how any acting sometimes can break you apart and turn inside out. because while you are letting yourself feel like it's real, it is, at some capacity, can be real. and while it is a known factor of being an actor, it's not something you do think about when you go to play a game with your friends. sometimes it changes something very, very important in you, and sometimes you look back on that experience and realize that it hurt you. or not. everyone has their unique experiences, as always.

also, we finally found out the reason the fishing spot was so important. not only a place of friendship but also a place of the exploiting! yay!

[freakinator]

Oh my god your tags on the kazam post just reminded me that while watching Kab's stream the orher day she, the person who always goes on about how she is NOT her character and that they aren't the same, said fans aren't allowed to ship characters if it's against boundaries because, "They aren't characters, they ARE us."

Which confused me? Perhaps I misunderstood, which could certainly be the case since I already had a sour taste in my mouth since in the same stream she was saying a lot to encourage boundary warrior mentality including telling chat to simply not ship Mane with ANYBODY even though he stated he doesn't really care so long as he doesn't see it; directly inserting her own personal beliefs above Mane's stated boundaries despite emphasizing the importance of following each individual creators boundaries. I sound incredinly nitpicky right now sorry lol it just irritates me how much she says one thing, only to then go on to contradict herself. Especially when the things she says as a creator only further encourages conflict within the fandom that already has issues with harassment over boundaries.

yeah i heard about it and only further cemented my idea in my mind of her being a Twitter UserTM tbh esp since at least from what ive seen the ppl in the fandom who love being boundary warriors are the exact same ones who bring that shit to chat, like tell me why zams chat which is filled shameless shippers barely if ever talk about shipping there (unless the kazamers are present) and yet chats where the streamer has been vocal about not wanting to get shipped love bringing ships up like theyre fucking paid to do it

[sol-rambles]

you know it would be So funny for Zam to come back and just be fully pro Mawn. Like, cause people all think he's super duper against it and hates it. Which I guess yeah.

Think about it, they'd be so confused. The same guy who built his own "spawn" to get away with Mawn, suddenly with Mapic (again). Honestly I don't know how many people would be like actually surprised by this. Noone there in s4>= would be cause well. Yeah.

But s6 adds and possibly s5 since they were always together for that season, could be so confused by it. It could just be so fun :3

Someone like Kab just stumbling in on them just chilling when she was full sure they were against eachother. Or even Flame or Mane, they might get it since they're like "against" eachother or whatever. But they fly into the two of them just relaxing and lying down in the flower field together half heartedly talking about plans.

Ooh or 4c going to steal a flower from the field for his room and spotting those two directly in the middle. I feel like he might get it more than others, he'd be abit confused then hop into the tunnels and start listening to them talk.

Spoke, Bacon, Planet, Ro, probably Minute, Pangi, likely Rek, as well as others would just be like welp yeah that makes sense. I guess they made up and move on with their say like its the most normal thing they've seen all day. (Which well, it's devotions making up it is kinda the most normal thing ever.)

I think Kab would mention it to Bacon who would just laugh and tell her that its fine whilst she freaks out about it.

[cautionwetspiralstaircase]

"you're a cricket" -rekrap2 2025

(source: rekrap22 18/19 Jan 2025 idk what's going to happen today | Lifesteal***, around 32min)

4C: [stammering] I feel like you’re ego-boosting a bit. You gotta hate on me a little bit, Rek. That’s not okay, I’m already getting money.

Rekrap: Okay. Shut up, 4C. Stop talking. [4C: Okay. Okay. Thanks, thanks.] Just like- you’re a freaking- you’re a freaking cricket, you’re a- no. [4C laughs] What’s the- what’s the word. You’re a cro- I can’t remember. You’re a little bug- 

4C: “You’re a cricket.” “You’re a cricket” is insane.

Rek: -on the floor. You’re a bug on the floor, you mean nothing. Nothing really matters, okay? [4C: Oh my god. Oh my god.] At the end of the day, we’re just all gonna die, and it’s over, okay. So it doesn’t even matter what you do, like, you don’t do anything good, 4C. Okay how was that. Is your ego tamed?

4C: [laughs] Wow. Damn. Yeah that- that- no that’s great. That was- that was great- I appreciate that, Rek.

[imissabyssarc]

Vodwatching Kabs stream (only the parts when bacons on since I’m not a Kab watcher but I need my baconwaffles0 content) and she made a big point about how someone trying to rule over Lifesteal is stupid, which is fair, but she makes it sound 1, very objective, and 2, my real gripe, she says that trying to rule an anarchy SMP is stupid. Firstly, LS isn’t true anarchy, but if I got into that I’d be here all day, so I’ll just say there’s a difference between PvP oriented SMP and Anarchy SMP. But I feel like she said that without actually realizing what she meant. For example, dualities taking spawn was really fun (and also for her creativity points I think the pearl exploit, medusa, and literally everything else they did in that season was pretty damn original) and while people said it was stupid, it was mainly because of Ro and Mapic being the people taking power and exiling Subz, considering what they’d done to spawn (cough cough blow the whole fucking thing up) and not because of the premise, and if they did say it was the premise it was more a character thing whereas Kab it felt just like her (maybe I’m wrong there I don’t watch all that much Kab) talking there. The simple fact is, Lifesteal would not be as exciting as it is without the people claiming places or things, and the people opposing them. Kab seemingly understands that, and then says (in a way that felt very out of character to me) that it’s stupid to try and rule over an anarchy SMP. Idk man.

[zylian]

the idea of ls!kab asking zam to prom on the premise that derap is going for pentar so he would be lonely-

i canttttttttt

now other than zam screaming in his mind about that, his next steps to avoid going with ls!kab would be so fun to witness

realistically he doesn't go, though honestly if he does for the vip than he has options but how many options would be already taken hmmm

the crazy possibilities are there yknow he could go last second with another who didn't get a date in time or get asked by someone else possibly or even drag planet to go with him if he had to

prom with a mandatory partner is so funny, like wdym bacons thinking about mane or mapic as options-

would this possibly cause drama with other duos? i hope so!

can you imagine zam saying "can i use you to get out of being kabs prom date plssss" like thats just funny as heck to whoever

i hope everyone attends and is so sassy about who brought who

parrot shows up thinking he's just a vip but he's the only one without a date, wemmbu shows up and deraps all of a sudden very conflicted, flame having to pick someone- lmao, every odd numbered team crashing out, jumpsquid vibing, ash not being okay, red taking his choice very seriously, potential pangi promposals!?!!?? and what is woogie gonna do??

so many possibilities i wonderrr

hopefully it gets trapped just like the last prom was! ^-^

[aipurjopa]

We doodling…

[coffeegnomee]

it just fully hit me that the last time zam streamed it was the resolution with mapicc about mawn and the resolution with derap about being teamed.

3:48:00 “I think everything’s fine. I think everything’s okay. [..] for the first time in a long time i actually feel like everything’s okay. I really do. And i cannot remember i time when ive felt like this” 

“And the rain clears!” /happy. What. for the first time ever he is happy the rain is gone?!?!

And then he disappears.

[mapicccc]

[heartcircus]

bacon wants to keep the happy zam at spawn because he thinks its so cute lmao

[mcytegg]

why is this on the s6 teams wiki, have they ever even interacted?? 😭

[gremnda]

*looking at the destroyed state of the server* what a finale amirite?