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Real innovation vs Silicon Valley nonsense

This is the LAST DAY to get my bestselling solarpunk utopian novel THE LOST CAUSE (2023) as a $2.99, DRM-free ebook!
If there was any area where we needed a lot of "innovation," it's in climate tech. We've already blown through numerous points-of-no-return for a habitable Earth, and the pace is accelerating.
Silicon Valley claims to be the epicenter of American innovation, but what passes for innovation in Silicon Valley is some combination of nonsense, climate-wrecking tech, and climate-wrecking nonsense tech. Forget Jeff Hammerbacher's lament about "the best minds of my generation thinking about how to make people click ads." Today's best-paid, best-trained technologists are enlisted to making boobytrapped IoT gadgets:
https://pluralistic.net/2024/05/24/record-scratch/#autoenshittification
Planet-destroying cryptocurrency scams:
https://pluralistic.net/2024/02/15/your-new-first-name/#that-dagger-tho
NFT frauds:
https://pluralistic.net/2022/02/06/crypto-copyright-%f0%9f%a4%a1%f0%9f%92%a9/
Or planet-destroying AI frauds:
https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/29/pay-no-attention/#to-the-little-man-behind-the-curtain
If that was the best "innovation" the human race had to offer, we'd be fucking doomed.
But – as Ryan Cooper writes for The American Prospect – there's a far more dynamic, consequential, useful and exciting innovation revolution underway, thanks to muscular public spending on climate tech:
https://prospect.org/environment/2024-05-30-green-energy-revolution-real-innovation/
The green energy revolution – funded by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPS Act and the Science Act – is accomplishing amazing feats, which are barely registering amid the clamor of AI nonsense and other hype. I did an interview a while ago about my climate novel The Lost Cause and the interviewer wanted to know what role AI would play in resolving the climate emergency. I was momentarily speechless, then I said, "Well, I guess maybe all the energy used to train and operate models could make it much worse? What role do you think it could play?" The interviewer had no answer.
Here's brief tour of the revolution:
2023 saw 32GW of new solar energy come online in the USA (up 50% from 2022);
Wind increased from 118GW to 141GW;
Grid-scale batteries doubled in 2023 and will double again in 2024;
EV sales increased from 20,000 to 90,000/month.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/blog/2023/12/19/building-a-thriving-clean-energy-economy-in-2023-and-beyond/
The cost of clean energy is plummeting, and that's triggering other areas of innovation, like using "hot rocks" to replace fossil fuel heat (25% of overall US energy consumption):
https://rondo.com/products
Increasing our access to cheap, clean energy will require a lot of materials, and material production is very carbon intensive. Luckily, the existing supply of cheap, clean energy is fueling "green steel" production experiments:
https://www.wdam.com/2024/03/25/americas-1st-green-steel-plant-coming-perry-county-1b-federal-investment/
Cheap, clean energy also makes it possible to recover valuable minerals from aluminum production tailings, a process that doubles as site-remediation:
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/toxic-red-mud-co2-free-iron
And while all this electrification is going to require grid upgrades, there's lots we can do with our existing grid, like power-line automation that increases capacity by 40%:
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/13/1187620367/power-grid-enhancing-technologies-climate-change
It's also going to require a lot of storage, which is why it's so exciting that we're figuring out how to turn decommissioned mines into giant batteries. During the day, excess renewable energy is channeled into raising rock-laden platforms to the top of the mine-shafts, and at night, these unspool, releasing energy that's fed into the high-availability power-lines that are already present at every mine-site:
https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/02/06/this-disused-mine-in-finland-is-being-turned-into-a-gravity-battery-to-store-renewable-ene
Why are we paying so much attention to Silicon Valley pump-and-dumps and ignoring all this incredible, potentially planet-saving, real innovation? Cooper cites a plausible explanation from the Apperceptive newsletter:
https://buttondown.email/apperceptive/archive/destructive-investing-and-the-siren-song-of/
Silicon Valley is the land of low-capital, low-labor growth. Software development requires fewer people than infrastructure and hard goods manufacturing, both to get started and to run as an ongoing operation. Silicon Valley is the place where you get rich without creating jobs. It's run by investors who hate the idea of paying people. That's why AI is so exciting for Silicon Valley types: it lets them fantasize about making humans obsolete. A company without employees is a company without labor issues, without messy co-determination fights, without any moral consideration for others. It's the natural progression for an industry that started by misclassifying the workers in its buildings as "contractors," and then graduated to pretending that millions of workers were actually "independent small businesses."
It's also the natural next step for an industry that hates workers so much that it will pretend that their work is being done by robots, and then outsource the labor itself to distant Indian call-centers (no wonder Indian techies joke that "AI" stands for "absent Indians"):
https://pluralistic.net/2024/05/17/fake-it-until-you-dont-make-it/#twenty-one-seconds
Contrast this with climate tech: this is a profoundly physical kind of technology. It is labor intensive. It is skilled. The workers who perform it have power, both because they are so far from their employers' direct oversight and because these fed-funded sectors are more likely to be unionized than Silicon Valley shops. Moreover, climate tech is capital intensive. All of those workers are out there moving stuff around: solar panels, wires, batteries.
Climate tech is infrastructural. As Deb Chachra writes in her must-read 2023 book How Infrastructure Works, infrastructure is a gift we give to our descendants. Infrastructure projects rarely pay for themselves during the lives of the people who decide to build them:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/10/17/care-work/#charismatic-megaprojects
Climate tech also produces gigantic, diffused, uncapturable benefits. The "social cost of carbon" is a measure that seeks to capture how much we all pay as polluters despoil our shared world. It includes the direct health impacts of burning fossil fuels, and the indirect costs of wildfires and extreme weather events. The "social savings" of climate tech are massive:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/05/climate-and-health-benefits-of-wind-and-solar-dwarf-all-subsidies/
For every MWh of renewable power produced, we save $100 in social carbon costs. That's $100 worth of people not sickening and dying from pollution, $100 worth of homes and habitats not burning down or disappearing under floodwaters. All told, US renewables have delivered $250,000,000,000 (one quarter of one trillion dollars) in social carbon savings over the past four years:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/05/climate-and-health-benefits-of-wind-and-solar-dwarf-all-subsidies/
In other words, climate tech is unselfish tech. It's a gift to the future and to the broad public. It shares its spoils with workers. It requires public action. By contrast, Silicon Valley is greedy tech that is relentlessly focused on the shortest-term returns that can be extracted with the least share going to labor. It also requires massive public investment, but it also totally committed to giving as little back to the public as is possible.
No wonder America's richest and most powerful people are lining up to endorse and fund Trump:
https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-05-30-democracy-deshmocracy-mega-financiers-flocking-to-trump/
Silicon Valley epitomizes Stafford Beer's motto that "the purpose of a system is what it does." If Silicon Valley produces nothing but planet-wrecking nonsense, grifty scams, and planet-wrecking, nonsensical scams, then these are all features of the tech sector, not bugs.
As Anil Dash writes:
Driving change requires us to make the machine want something else. If the purpose of a system is what it does, and we don’t like what it does, then we have to change the system.
https://www.anildash.com/2024/05/29/systems-the-purpose-of-a-system/
To give climate tech the attention, excitement, and political will it deserves, we need to recalibrate our understanding of the world. We need to have object permanence. We need to remember just how few people were actually using cryptocurrency during the bubble and apply that understanding to AI hype. Only 2% of Britons surveyed in a recent study use AI tools:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c511x4g7x7jo
If we want our tech companies to do good, we have to understand that their ground state is to create planet-wrecking nonsense, grifty scams, and planet-wrecking, nonsensical scams. We need to make these companies small enough to fail, small enough to jail, and small enough to care:
https://pluralistic.net/2024/04/04/teach-me-how-to-shruggie/#kagi
We need to hold companies responsible, and we need to change the microeconomics of the board room, to make it easier for tech workers who want to do good to shout down the scammers, nonsense-peddlers and grifters:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/07/28/microincentives-and-enshittification/
Yesterday, a federal judge ruled that the FTC could hold Amazon executives personally liable for the decision to trick people into signing up for Prime, and for making the unsubscribe-from-Prime process into a Kafka-as-a-service nightmare:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/amazon-execs-may-be-personally-liable-for-tricking-users-into-prime-sign-ups/
Imagine how powerful a precedent this could set. The Amazon employees who vociferously objected to their bosses' decision to make Prime as confusing as possible could have raised the objection that doing this could end up personally costing those bosses millions of dollars in fines:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/03/big-tech-cant-stop-telling-on-itself/
We need to make climate tech, not Big Tech, the center of our scrutiny and will. The climate emergency is so terrifying as to be nearly unponderable. Science fiction writers are increasingly being called upon to try to frame this incomprehensible risk in human terms. SF writer (and biologist) Peter Watts's conversation with evolutionary biologist Dan Brooks is an eye-opener:
https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-collapse-is-coming-will-humanity-adapt/
They draw a distinction between "sustainability" meaning "what kind of technological fixes can we come up with that will allow us to continue to do business as usual without paying a penalty for it?" and sustainability meaning, "what changes in behavior will allow us to save ourselves with the technology that is possible?"
Writing about the Watts/Brooks dialog for Naked Capitalism, Yves Smith invokes William Gibson's The Peripheral:
With everything stumbling deeper into a ditch of shit, history itself become a slaughterhouse, science had started popping. Not all at once, no one big heroic thing, but there were cleaner, cheaper energy sources, more effective ways to get carbon out of the air, new drugs that did what antibiotics had done before…. Ways to print food that required much less in the way of actual food to begin with. So everything, however deeply fucked in general, was lit increasingly by the new, by things that made people blink and sit up, but then the rest of it would just go on, deeper into the ditch. A progress accompanied by constant violence, he said, by sufferings unimaginable.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/05/preparing-for-collapse-why-the-focus-on-climate-energy-sustainability-is-destructive.html
Gibson doesn't think this is likely, mind, and even if it's attainable, it will come amidst "unimaginable suffering."
But the universe of possible technologies is quite large. As Chachra points out in How Infrastructure Works, we could give every person on Earth a Canadian's energy budget (like an American's, but colder), by capturing a mere 0.4% of the solar radiation that reaches the Earth's surface every day. Doing this will require heroic amounts of material and labor, especially if we're going to do it without destroying the planet through material extraction and manufacturing.
These are the questions that we should be concerning ourselves with: what behavioral changes will allow us to realize cheap, abundant, green energy? What "innovations" will our society need to focus on the things we need, rather than the scams and nonsense that creates Silicon Valley fortunes?
How can we use planning, and solidarity, and codetermination to usher in the kind of tech that makes it possible for us to get through the climate bottleneck with as little death and destruction as possible? How can we use enforcement, discernment, and labor rights to thwart the enshittificatory impulses of Silicon Valley's biggest assholes?
If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this post to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:
https://pluralistic.net/2024/05/30/posiwid/#social-cost-of-carbon
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This is the shit democrats need to be out in the streets banging the drum over right now. You voted for him and he's already fucking you over. You rural farming voters who thought you'd be safe from his anti-woke agenda. It's already coming for your livelihoods. Can you afford 4 more years of this shit?
#people in this country SERIOUSLY need to be reminded the republican party has NEVER been for the working class#and it NEVER WILL BE#gay or straight white or poc disabled or not if you're not in one of like 6 families that hold all the wealth in this country#the republican party IS NOT LOOKING OUT FOR YOU#the problem is these people LOVE to be pandered to#ignore whatever you've hears abt 'these people don't want to be pandered to!' that's literally just more pandering!#oh they're so smart they see through the bullshit you can't pander to them!#then how come they keep voting for y'all even tho you're threatening to take their healthcare and costing them jobs?#it's cause they LOVE to be pandered to. they LOVE IT. they love feeling like they're SO IMPORTANT they can STICK IT TO THE COASTAL ELITES#HARHAR WE RUN THE COUNTRY SUCK IT LIBS#all they want is to be pandered to. and the democrats HAVE GOT TO LEARN THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL#they don't give a FUCK about anyone else but themselves and the democrats gotta PANDER AWAY BABY!#cheetolini is ALREADY fucking ur life up! where's the inflation reduction he promised day 1? why are eggs still over $5?#gay ppl buy eggs. white. brown. straight uptight assholes you wish would flip their bike over & knock out their 2 front teeth#gotta pander baby. PANDER PANDER PANDER.#and once you get that done and you're elected THEN you can swoop in and go#you know what it's literally none of the government's business what order your genitals are in#(cause let's remember we're PANDERING these ppl hate the idea of the government getting involved in their business)#so driver's licenses & passports and everything else for ALL!#but you gotta pander first and continue to pander along the way. these people are stupid and selfish (horrid combo)#anyway. I think I'm done reading the news for the day it's not even noon on a sunday and I'm ready to go into the street with a baseball bat#us politics
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#i am suddenly feeling the most dysphoric i have ever felt in my entire life#part of me hates myself for being trans#but then i know that i don't /hate/ myself for being trans#i am just frustrated i can't be comfortable in my own skin and the only person in my immediate family don't understand or are hateful jerks#i just want my top surgery and hrt and i want to be satisfied in life#i keep having my chances of top surgery (or just a reduction) taken away from me#and no one understands#i've wanted this since i was 14 or 15#i don't care if my brain isn't fully developed#i hate this part of my body and all the troubles it brings me#i can't leave california until i get this done bcs california is (so far) the safest place i can get this done#and it is cost effective#i'm just tired#i'm losing my main pillar of mental support soon and i hate ittt
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there are therapists who specialize in cptsd. you dont need to go to inexperienced talk therapy or cbt or dbt ever again if you dont want to. there are options
#indexed post#Highly reductive please do not reply to me reminding me of the various other barriers to access - I KNOW#This isnt to say cptsd therapists on the whole are more competent than others - more research is needed#But like. You don't have to settle. It doesn't necessarily cost any more to have a therapist who is equipped to handle Shit#Sorry i just like saw multiple posts today but ljke#One meme like 'therapists if you talk about anything that isnt garden variety anxiety or depression'#and its like You can literally check their webpage or email them to ask if they specialize in whatever shit you have going on#A lot of therapists are inexperienced or incompetent but if you refuse to select for ones who nominally understand your shit#Then i kinda think youre shooting yourself in the foot
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I'm a pacifist the way people wish Vegans would be about their veganism.
I generally keep it to myself and if other folks want to engage in ethical* violence we'll I love that for them
*see tags for footnote
#to me ethical and moral are two different things#killing is always morally wrong#but it can be ethically right#and my definition of ethical is built around the idea of harm reduction#whatever choice results in the least harm overall is the most ethical choice#killing the CEO clearly resulted in majing the company retract their decision not to cover anesthesia#which prevented a metric shit tonne of harm#which clearly outweighs the harm caused by killing this one person#thousands if not millions of people benefit#while a handful suffer#cost/benefit analysis seems pretty clear to me
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Need asoiaf fans to be disabused from the notion that anyone “deserves” the Iron Throne. Not a single person deserves it, doesn’t matter how good they are. And I’d take it a step further and say that no one deserves to be king or queen or lord. We shouldn’t be equating kingship/queenship with a happy ending. This series does so much to criticize this awful system so it’s particularly jarring that people will go “I want my fave to get their happy ending and sit on the iron throne”. That’s…kind of antithetical to what the series has shown us so far I think.
#asoiaf#valyrianscrolls#people if there’s one thing you ought to take away from reading this series#it’s fEuDaLiSm bAd#that’s like super consistent across the entire system#it sounds reductive but like grrm has spent a lot of time showing us just how rotten this all is#the iron throne is pretty much a physical representation of this rotten system#and I also see people being like ~I want my fave to be the hero because that’s what they deserve and that’s a happy ending~#as if grrm isn’t taking his sweet time deconstructing what it means and costs to be a hero#spoiler alert: it costs a lot!!!#being a hero isn’t going to be a walk in the park guys#my hot take is that part of the reason why people don’t like bran as king of the 7k is because they had thought the IT going to their#fav was the happy ending#so that’s why we get a lot of ~what’s bran’s tax policy~#not to say that everyone asking that is asking it in bad faith#but so many people in this fandom think that certain roles are owed to their faves#gonna prepare a truck load of popcorn for when ADoS comes out because oooo the drama#btw this is not directed toward a particular fandom - because like half of the people who read this books think like that
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Having top surgery tmrw like. Damn should I have been given vitamins 😳
LMAO to be honest I'm sure you'll be more than fine, getting pre-op and post-op vitamins and shit is more like a luxury that comes with the comically high price tag I'm paying for this surgery
#yeah like for 20something thousand dollars plus secret costs you'd BETTER be giving my ass vitamins#but it's just a Huge Multivitamin for the morning a Huge Multivitamin for the evening#and I've got some of that shit for bruising. bromelain?#which my sister was ALL about when she got her reduction#it's something that I think probably helps but you're not doing yourself any disservice by NOT being on a ton of vitamins#as long as you Eat Water and Drink Food while you're recovering#sergle answers
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sometimes I think maybe I'm not actually that dysphoric, I only really bind for special events. maybe I'm just being dramatic. but then today all my compression sports bras are in the wash and instead of wearing an old one that doesn't compress at all I wore my full binder to go round the shop. lmao
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Ultimate Guide to DeepSeek AI for Business Growth
Table of Contents of DeepSeek AI for Business Growth1. Introduction: Why AI is Essential for Modern Business Growth2. What Is DeepSeek AI?3. Top 5 DeepSeek AI Tools for Scaling Businesses3.1 Demand Forecasting Engine3.2 Customer Lifetime Value (CLV) Predictor3.3 Automated Supply Chain Optimizer3.4 Dynamic Pricing Module3.5 Sentiment Analysis Hub4. How DeepSeek AI Reduces Costs and Boosts…
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also last night i assembled thee prototype…dw the real copies are gonna be made with expensive glossy card stock for the cover not this shitty computer paper i jst didnt wanna waste money for the practice run…

#am gonna be selling them for $10 which covers the cost of production ($6) and then the rest is profit to fund my future projects#also $1 for every copy will be donated to local harm reduction in orlando which i will post more abt when i drop the link#and if u dont wanna buy and/or wanna leave a tip im making a kofi page
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Carbon Capture for ships - current state
Some people think carbon capture onboard is going to be important in meeting emissions goals for ships. There is some entrepreneurship, and some interest by large oil producers and purveyors. However, many problems remain to be solved. There is essentially no ‘supply chain’ to handle the liquefied carbon product the ships produce onboard from running the carbon capture equipment. Liquid CO2 has…
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We must shift away from a system that dehumanizes individuals and perpetuates a cycle of incarceration and abuse. Instead, we must embrace a model that prioritizes rehabilitation, second chances, and societal reintegration. Comprehensive prison reform that centers on human dignity is not only morally imperative but also a crucial step towards creating a more just and equitable society.
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Liv what did you struggle most with when you went vegan? I’m trying to cut out meat but I’m having a bad time 😭
ohhhh good question! i think i had an easier time than most ppl because i had a lot of aversions to meat and eggs unless they were prepared in v specific ways, and i don't like cheese and was pretty sure dairy was making me break out so i was already drinking non-dairy milk at home.
all of which is to say it wasn't a huge struggle for me to just make the few changes to transition to plant based!! i think the hardest part was avoiding the animals products hiding IN other things. ;ike pastries with butter! or eggs in cake! or modified milk ingredients in LITERALLY EVERYTHING. those little things were what gave me the hardest time, but now i just know what I can and can't have and don't really think about it very much—i promise it gets easier!!
#liv got mail#tw food#that being said we are in a cost of living crisis! the world is going to shit! do what u can and feed yourself whatever makes you feel best#any reduction in consumption of animal products is a win in my books#better 100 people eat more consciously than one person be a quote unquote perfect vegan#you're doing a great job!!
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