#color theory is wild bro

[beados10]

Color pallets bc yes

[ryomaandgundhamkin]

Servant Sun doodles! Designs by @meagancandraw — it’s official in my eyes because I am absolutely in love with this bro… also this is my first time tryna draw in this art style-

I literally only used warm colors (idk whenever I draw I usually stick to a warm/cold palette). bruh color theory is wild, the book at the top of the stack is orange (what is going on with my eyes, I see green)

I love drawing others designs and ocs because mines suck <3

white background here and also the other updated version- I actually used a font wow- I like monoline tho (for text on procreate) sorry for yapping here’s the extras

[sabrondabrainrot]

🌦️Dark Sun and 🔅Servant Sun

I tried my hand at designing Servant Sun and Dark Sun.

I'm getting more caught up on the lore!! Click underneath for art closeups and more Lore rants and AU idea! Plus, I have sketches and a comic WIP I've been working on.

😉

There will be rambly spoilers to where I am in the Lore.

For Dark Sun I was inspired a lot by the thumbnails, they give him red eyes a lot in the thumbnails and I like the smarmy red eyed look of the guy. Tried to capture his 'regal-holier then thou' attitude in his design. He's still Sun though, so I used OG Sun's palette (my first Sun design!) to reflect the fact they have the same beginnings. I don't trust anything he says but I know something has totally happened to his Moon (I'm really banking on the idea he ATE him/ ATE his intelligence chip) so he carries his Moon's bell and he also repurposed the star pattern of Moon to parade it around as like a symbol his Moon is at his heal. I don't know if I like his final look but I think it's because I gave him dramatically darker shading vs the other Suns.

Servant Sun! Here's my take on him. He's been suffering for over 10000+ years under Lord Eclipse abuse. We saw how he was being punished just because Lore Eclipse was bored! I feel really bad for this Sun, it was hard to draw a design for him. I think despite his servant title Lord Eclipse just keeps him around not only to keep himself sane but also a trophy/slave to show off to Moon and the others in the afterlife. I had this like monologue for SSun basically, "The sound of bells long ago stopped ringing for the daycare attendant turned servant but Lord Eclipse still can hear the sound of metallic chimes when the neurotic servant cleans thanks to his fanciful additions." (aka the chime of chains) He's also got an apron that's falling apart and SSun used random old fabric to patch it up (it wasn't random it was his old clothes). I was really inspired by Meagancandraw's design of Servant Sun!

Here's my AU sketches. I'm planning to clean these up and maybe color them? This is basically just the AU idea that I think Sun is going to somehow get reborn but be a being reborn from star power and negative star power? I don't know if it's possible? He becomes a mix of the two in my AU. I know some current spoilers and basically I know he may be immune to negative star energy? He can also hold Star Power uniquely and it 'taste good to him'. I will never let go of the fact he told Moon it taste nice like dried watermelon. His untrained magical outburst was also compared to be as powerful as Golden Freddy's. There's big theory he's going to die or be sacrificed but I have this idea what if he's essentially remade? idk just rambly thoughts. So yeah, he has a cool new look to go with his magical transformation.

BTW he is very sad cause he can't be near his family in this AU my brain cooked up. He's basically radiation incarnate now <3 His eyes are cracked because they're intensely pouring out Star/Negative Star power. Just a constant pull and push of power circulating in him.

this is the comic idea I have currently. I don't have a ton of motivation so any encouragement to finish this comic idea would be super appreciated! I'm not a comic-type artist so this is out of my comfort zone (I've made a few comics but usually they are pretty janky)

ON TO THE RAMBLES - spoilers BEWARE:

NEW MOON MY BOY PLS YOU ARE HIDING STUFF FROM YOUR FAMILY. BOY NO. HE IS GONNA USE RUIN TO BRING BACK SOLAR?

Blood Moon just took Ruin. Also Dark Sun repaired Ruin after Molten took him to die in the dead dimension?? BOY??? Also, Dark Sun did something to Eclipse??? Bro is plotting. I wish I could get a read on Dark Sun but I don't even know how much of the truth he's been sharing thus far. He has no reason to tell anyone the truth and so far he hasn't hurt anyone just stole a bunch of data from Moon and built a bunker to escape total dimension collapse...He's just a big wild card for me.

Then there's New Moon, He's just actually going crazy after meeting Old Moon. Sun can tell something is wrong with his brother!!! I hope he can help him but spoilers tells me otherwise. The family is trying! Earth heard out Eclipse and Eclipse is getting Earth proof that Moon is currently cray-cray. Lunar is kind of hanging near Sun and Earth because the creator is now actively trying to kidnap him. So much spicy drama.

I don't pay attention much to the Freddy side of the plot but he's also dying?? bro??? What about Francine? The missing mom/wife? Poor Francine's suffering, she needs her mom and dad! I like that Puppet is hanging around her grandchild more it is very sweet. Foxy also got his 'bestfriend' Puppet a house/condo. hmm-Mmmhmm. Definitely no romantic tensions there. Definitely not.

(side bar, I don't ship Kidscove but I do ship the Foxy and Puppet do they have a ship name? Also no hate to Kidscove I just think Foxy treats Sun like a kid a lot. I like the gooseworld Kidscove. Sun laid eggs, so wholesome.)

Lunar is just waiting for news on his trial and I am in suspense hoo boy...Then the stuff with FC being put in a new body and Frank is not happy about it. I def can tell there's big lead up to the astral bodies making a big move I just wonder what the move will be. I feel like now Lunar and FC are going to end up being more intwined then they might think.

Also I love Dazzle!!! AAAGH! She and Jack are so cute! I loved the ep Sun took Dazzle and Lunar to the store that was so sweet. Can't wait to see more of them! They're such a cute dynamic! I like seeing Lunar put his best foot forward to help Dazzle too.

I can tell Moon is slowly distancing himself from the others but it's like this odd thing where he's no longer obsessed with Solar being back per sei...but he's obsessed over how HE has to be the one to bring Solar back in his way because HE promised and he wants to be better then Old Moon and yeah...he's got a very warped perspective I feel like? But Molten and Ruin BOTH pointed out Moon is being possessed by something so I think he's definitely sick? Or something is keeping him from seeing the error of his way.

Rambles over :)

I do plan to draw Solar and Eclipse and Lord Eclipse next but I'm stuck on what I want to do for Solar's design :P I might make a poll in the future!

[aalien-s]

I cant stop thinking about trolls, specifically Floyd. Finally decided to just go wild and draw fanart. Im going insane over this little guy

HE IS THE SIZE OF MY FINGER

Pretty short theory/rant under cut

I also really love the idea that he’s been hanging out with the rock trolls since the brothers separated. It could even kinda make sense. His looks kinda remind me of something you could see a rock troll looking like, just mess up his hair a bit. Ofc he has wayy too bright colors to be a rock troll, but he was born as a pop troll. (I can just imagine how much he would stand out oml.) Not to mention, Prince D said in the second movie that trolls can enjoy more than just one type of music. He was also apparently kidnapped 2 months prior to the movie, and the second movie was just a week before the third, meaning Floyd had been missing for 1 month and 3 weeks by the time of the second movie. Someone would probably try to look for him, but after a while of no signs they could’ve just assumed him dead and given up. By the time of the movie the rock trolls wouldn’t even think to ask anyone of the other tribes about him, because he’d been missing for a while and because the whole rock-apocalypse was going on. Only reason i can see it not working is if the rock trolls were against any type of music the entire time and either would’ve just kicked him out or forced him to only play rock (which i don’t believe Floyd would be able to do). Really going into theory mode here: Floyd showing up could be what made Queen Barb find out about the other tribes and first get the idea of the world tour, but only starting to plan it after Floyd disappears and they fail to find him.

I would also love if this was true and every time Floyd plays rock music he gets aggressive and scares the sht out of his brothers lol.

I literally came up with the oc as i drew this, i just wanted some random guy for the pose and suddenly i had a character. He’s just someone that basically clung himself to Floyd immediately when he got to the village. Bro’s kind of a bully but he’s also a loser. (Just wanna say I’m not the type of person that ships ocs with canon, and i’m not doing it here) They end up having a sort of rivalry, as Floyd gets better at Rock and manages to mix it with his pop, he gets a bit popular. Meanwhile Brick has never really tried to gain an audience, but when Floyd gets followers and Brick was already challenging him, he ultimately gets some attention too. They sort of team up and become a duo, but they ensure that they’re still rivals. Inevitable though, they become friends, hang out a lot, sing and dance, like normal trolls. Brick teaches Floyd some specific things about rock and Floyd tells him about his tribe and brothers. Brick would be the devastated when Floyd got kidnapped and would be the last to stop searching. (Never stopped hoping he was alive though). Of course though, he is a rock troll and theres no way he would show how much he cares about Floyd.

Im currently working on colored designs of Brick and Rock!Floyd

[ngray192]

CHAOS THEORY SEASON TWO IS OUT!!!! As you all expected, I watched it all in one sitting and wrote notes on everything! Under the cut is my train of thought and commentary on the season, and no, you will not be given context for anything that I wrote.

- omg I’ve been waiting all dayyyyy

- Raptor lady is gone, I wonder who the new villain is.

- I wonder if this is gonna tie into Dominion at all

- Boat!!

- Shoutout to Nick “Rocket” Rodriguez

- I’m sorry did they make a hammock in here????

- Only Sammy can make a shipping container into a home

- Yaz I love you

- Yasammyyyyyyy ugh they’re adorable

- I knew it was a baryonyx!!!

- Kenjis so sad

- Why is he throwing lettuce into the ocean?

- Like five minutes in and there’s so many small yasammy moments

- Ex-kon was hilarious, you guys just don’t get it

- LET HIM COPE

- Yaz and Kenji moment!!!!

- Therapist Yaz is my favorite

- I love her development and growth omg

- Hybrid Dino??

- Kenji Kon, stop leaving the container

- A storms brewing

- Why is there just an open crate of lettuce?

- Bro you’re wasting so much lettuce

- They were in Louisiana last season?

- How tf have you not been caught?

- The water animationnnn

- Oh shit

- Ben please don’t get shocked again

- Ngl I’d offer to help too

- Yaz and Kenji in their besties era

- BUMPYS EGG

- Is that a baryonyx?

- DID IT DIE???

- Two?!

- The ashes from the fire animation is wild

- Yes saves the Dino eggs

- Oh fuck this is kinda graphic I love it

- This gives the same vibes as the actual movies and I’m all for it

- Bro that parasarolaphus (I cannot spell) looks scary af

- Sammy running to Yaz for Yasammy, Ben running to Kenji?????

- Lets see a person die

- Aaaaah it’s the scene from the clip I saw!!!!

- Such a cool chase scene

- BUMPYS EGG

- KENJI STOP

- He didn’t help you, he saved your fucking life

- Are we gonna get a “Kenji is suicidal” arc???

- Tell me why I was actually worried? They’re not gonna kill Kenji

- Brotherss

- Those eggs should be scrambled wtf

- A lot of Yaz and Kenji moments I’m here for it

- Open up, PLEASE

- Oh shitttt

- He’s not gonna tell anyone, is he?

- THE MEMORIAL IM CRYING

- Solid first episode

Episode 2

- “marooned five”

- The light shining from the clouds??? Beautiful

- Ok, this is a valid “not telling the group the truth” plot line, he doesn’t wanna distract them and be wrong

- I’m sorry, who tf are you people??

- Wait is this small child gonna join the group??

- Please don’t be a big part of the show, I wanna focus on Camp Fam

- Are the dinosaurs protecting her? I love that

- What kinda Dino is that? Gallimimus? Struithominous?

- Did they change clothes or just take off their jackets?

- Omg they can’t split into 3 groups of 2 anymore

- Yasammy side mission!!!

- I love Kenji omg

- They’re such brothers, I love it

- Same old dino nerd

- Why are you not concerned that people are on your property?

- Why would you just tell her a large portion of your plan??

- I kinda want this lady to be evil

- Can we get a name for this girl soon?

- No she found the eggs!!!

- Why tf would you take it from the bush and leave it out in the open?

- Do you need service to play a video like that?

- Also you can def show the group just the thumbnail for the video and they’ll see her

- They’re so goofy, I love them.

- I was right, it is a gallimimus!!

- It’s like a dino-mill upriver

- Damnit, you guys just fucked up the balanced ecosystem here

- Cool ass dino omg

- The colors on herrrr

- Please don’t fall out of a tree

- The rice nooooo

- It’s a suchomimus

- Stop trying to fix things omg

- I’m sorry but I don’t care about the mom and daughter

- “Off-brand alligator”

- I love how Yasammy is usually Team Distraction

- Darius is so fast wtf

- Rock climber Kenji

- MOVE KENJI

- HES SO STUPID AND BEING SO DANGEROUS

- They are kicking that Suchomimus’s ass omg

- His voice is so much deeper than in CC

- Screenshot and show the rest of the group the picture of Brooklyn omfg

- Animata and Zayna

- SHOW THEM

- SHOW THEMMMMMM

- UGH

- I hate you

- Captain Kenji!!

- Ngl this season isn’t as interesting as season 1, but hopefully it’ll get better

Episode 3

- This episode is titled “Clever Girl 86”

- Brooklyn!!!

- And freshly amputated damn

- YOU “stitched her up” AT HOME???

- Aww a compy lost its foot?

- I love when people in shows have realistic reactions

- She drove a motorcycle??

- Video call!!

- I don’t like that jacket

- Clevergirl86 is someone from Dark Jurassic, maybe Ronnie??

- Ok, so this is the day they broke up?

- I should’ve finished rewatching it he first season

- Oh is it love confession time?

- He’s such a bad liar

- No, it’s different with Ben because they’re IN love

- Girl don’t say “unless…”

- Yikes

- I love how you can see the reflections on screens, it’s so cool

- Account was hacked???

- It doesn’t look like enough of her arm is gone

- Is this a full Brooklyn episode? It’s only episode 3

- Ronnie is definitely a lesbian

- Alcohol will take the edge off, let’s get hammered

- I hate the pixie cut, I’m sorry

- Awww Gordon

- OVER 60??

- Her dads are in town for the funeral???

- This is so sad

- She still acts like Brooklyn

- Wow, never mind a lot of her arm is gone

- Kill the DPW guy

- Stab him, you’re dead you can’t be put on trial for murder

- I refuse to believe Raptor Lady speaks to people on the phone

- Ok, but staying dead was kind smart

Episode 4

- the dino liberators are here

- He’s trying to be Kenji and I don’t like it

- Why wear masks if you’re just gonna take them off and use your real names?

- A trust fund? Earnest is fr just Kenji but worse and mixed with a little bit of Dave

- Syd?

- The animation is gorgeous

- OUTFIT CHANGES???

- Her username is Esther Stone

- Nosey ass kid

- Yaz looks so cute!!!

- Do not take the child with you

- Please tell us what happened with Sammy’s family

- Nooooo don’t go with the group

- They all look like their faces and bodies changed when they changed clothes

- Ok, she’s still in America

- Are they gonna kill them???

- THEY TOOK GEBA

- Why tf is Kenji wearing those shoes?

- THEY KNOCKED HIM TF OUT

- The camera shaking as the dinos run out? I love it

- She’s a pretty good actress

- God I fucking hate this guy

- Why are the dinosaurs so sad?

- I don’t care about this child and her dinosaurs

- UHGHGHRHGGHHHHH I DONT WANT THIS CHILD HERE. IT IS A CAMP FAM SHOW

- Why is he being a dick all of a sudden?

- Dubai?

- She’s just like Ben dropping her phone in the water

Episode 5

- such a pretty show omg

- Sammy is such mom-material

- She’s 14???

- They’re back to their old outfits, sigh

- Why did they split up Darius, Sammy, Zayna and Kenji, Yaz, and Ben?

- Same old Ben

- Girl, the six of you lived together on an island for six months, privacy does NOT exist with this group

- Omg do you think it’s the girl from JW Dominion?

- “Damning”

- THE GADDY, DADDYS GADDY FROM SEASON 3

- How many close call sneaking scenes are we gonna have?

- Is it the girl from Dominion?

- Stop being weird about her missing limb??

- There’s no way Ben has cell service rn

- Not him using Yasminas head to get around the boat

- I love his little dino imitations

- This reminds me of JWCC season 1 episode 6 or 7 with the kayaks

- Ok, yeah it is the raptor girl from JW Dominion

- All around the globe?

- Oh fuck

- Come on, Sammy get the gun!

- KENJI WTF

- STOP

- The way her bangs move when she shakes her head, I love her

- Did the raptor press the elevators buttons what

- She’s kinda bad at painting

- Oh shitttt

- Is she the one hunting the kids?

- This penthouse chase scene is good

- Girl is not good at running from dinos

- The way she immediately puts the same arm up is a nice detail

- Girl you are not cut out for being on this journey with this group

- They were taking all the risks on those islands

- I’m not really getting anything marked on my bingo card

- TELL THEM

Episode 6

- what is in the water? Cause i doubt it’s the mossasaurus

- Awww a hippo

- Wait hippos are crazy dangerous

- Reminds me of the paras during the kayak episode in CC Season 1

- Zayna def should’ve known hippos are dangerous af

- “Dirtbag”

- You’re wasting all your food

- Throw the mangoes further omg

- KENJIN KON YOU ARE SO STUPID

- The details in the animationnnnnnughhgugggh

- Ben’s lips look so chapped omg

- I hate this child

- A lot of fire this season

- I don’t think she’s the Broker, I think there’s someone bigger

- Sammy needs to become a mom

- YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE CELL SERVICE HERE

- Oumars dead babe

- She’s vegetarian??

- OMG

- IS THAT A DEAD BODY????

- WTF

- They’re all so stressed out

- You’re gonna make her anxiety come back, let her breathe

- Brooklyn, wtf are you doing?

- Kill her

- Sucho number 2

- KENJI

- Don’t hide Yaz wtf

- Oh fuck that had to hurt

- THEYRE GONNA LEAVE HER BEHIND

- Lame, should’ve killed her

- They were 13 on the island?

- I guess she is the broker?

- Ok, girl nobody believes you

- Don’t give her the laser pointer

- IS HIS SHOULDER DISLOCATED

- BRO WTF

- They never would’ve shown half of this shit in JWCC

- YES NOW TURN BACK AND GET YAZ

- Oh she’s knocked tf out

Episode 7

- only a few more left

- Give her a break omg shits always happening to her

- Why is it taking so long for them to get back to her??

- … I guess the Sucho won

- I feel like the boats are much faster than going on foot?

- Also the current is not that strong

- Damn Sammy’s kinda scary when she’s worried about her wife

- Fuck this Sucho fr

- I wish we got more Ben and Darius this season, even just as friends

- Why are Kenji and Ben being so awkward??

- Darius does NOT know how to talk to children but he’s trying so hard

- Once again, the animation is gorgeous

- I love him

- I don’t like Zayna

- She’s real af for that though

- Yaz has a head injury and is climbing up trees rn, girlboss

- OH SHIT

- That lowkey scared me

- LEAVE HER ALONE

- THAT KICK OMG

- Girl is struggling

- I love a good Yaz-forward episode

- I love the way the eyes shine when the flashlights are on them

- Awww Kenji

- Benji?

- Aww Darius protecting Zayna

- “Oh jeez, oh jeez, oh jeez” I love him

- They are just beating the shit out of the local wildlife and I love it

- LIONS?!?

- This girl does not know everything omg

- Water and land are dangerous, you would’ve had problems either way

- Give her a break omfg

- IT CAN SWIM?!

- Yaz’s plot armor is absurd

- She needs to get back to her girlfriend, she is cold, wet, tired, injured

- You have paddles?? At least you should

- What dino is this?

- The dino fights are crazy this season

- You’re doing all of this in sandals??

- … at least you don’t have to worry about the Sucho anymore

- KENJI YOU RUINED THE MOMENT

- “My girl” STOPPPPP

- They’re so in love

- ITS DAYTIME???

- Probably my favorite episode so far

Episode 8

- this is 2 parter??

- I love how they all just know how to steer a boat???

- Awww Kenji protecting Yaz

- I love Sammy

- How tf can they hear a generator that far away??

- YES LEAVE HER BEHIND

- Girl

- Kenji is the older brother ever

- Oh shit a dino

- The chase scenes are good this season

- Kenji, stop IT

- Finally

- This is so sad

- Yasmina “not a hugger” Fadoula

- They’re so in sync

- Monolophasaurs?

- Benji are probably thriving rn be fr

- I love Ben

- Sammy’s so dorky I love it

- Oh my gosh

- Baby dino factory

- I hate Zayna, like I know she’s a kid but she’s annoying (I’m 17, I’m allowed to dislike children)

- Goodbye captain lang, damn

- Yasammy have not kissed ONCE this season (maybe they have, I’m not sure)

- They all take care of Zayna and that’s cute

- Yaz holding Sammy like that is adorable

- DO NOT SPLIT UP

- Why is Zayna the only person in this show with pierced ears?

- They should form a cheerleading team the way they’re lifting her

- Is this a dino fighting arena?

- IT HAS NO EYES

- This scene is actually so interesting

- FUCKING IDIOT GIRL

- Darius is the fucking king of sliding through small gaps

- Team Distraction for the win

- That is a child, why do you care if she thinks you’re cool or not??

- BRO SHOULD NOT BE ALIVE AFTER THAT FALL

- Kenjis still wearing those ugly ass shoes

- I love Ben

- WHY DID SHE JUST WALK IN THERE???

- SHE TOOK THE EGGS

- That was a good episode

Episode 9

- part 2

- That phone is huge

- Why are you having the one-armed girl drive?

- You shouldn’t trust her

- Dr. Sarr?

- Rewrite the genetic code??

- They’re still referred to as kids and I love it

- I do like episodes where I get to piece together a timeline

- What is this fucking music in the background?

- Oh shit she was working the crate and shit

- Seeing this all from her pov is kinda boring

- I was lowkey hoping for a more dramatic reveal

- I actually like how dark this season is and how every bad guy character is bad

- Oh my gosh

- Damnit Brooklyn you should’ve let her fall

- I don’t really like that we keep repeating the same scenes, but only slightly different

- It’s fine to split the Fam up like this, but we need to stop focusing on Brooklyn, I wanna go back to Ben and Kenji or Yasammy and Darius, split it up like we did in CC

Episode 10

- here we go, final episode

- Kenji needed that

- He def needed to release that anger

- I think we need to let Kenji kill someone

- Wtf how is he still alive?

- Baryonyxes are so cool

- Awww the dinosaurs are bonding

- It’s like the scene with the raptors and the hybrid in Jurassic Park 2 or 3

- I’m too invested to write notes lmao

- Those night vision sunglasses are kinda cool

- Fuck that kinda scared me

- Where is Zaynas dad?

- This season is lowkey scary

- How does her phone still have power? It’s been like 4 days

- Someone should’ve brought a gun

- They cannot hear you saying “I’m coming” in a normal volume be fr

- Ben and Kenji have been alone together way too much to not kiss

- Oh, there’s Zaynas dad

- WHERE ARE KENJI AND BEN

- Where did that car come from??

- Bro all of a sudden went into Tokyo Drift mode

- Kentrosaurus?

- Who let Kenji drive??

- There’s still so much to wrap up

- Biosyn??

- Wait does this take place before Dominion then?

- Ok, but BUMPYS EGG IS STILL IN THERE

- She def took bumpys egg out

- See? I know everything

- Oh, wait that’s it??

- I have mixed feelings.

[boasamishipper]

notes from the nnc s3e1 taping

so back in july hannah @bornforastorm and i went to the taping of the new night court season 3 premiere!!! to the best of my memory, here's what went down:

[spoilers below the cut]

pre show:

taping was on stage 10 of the warner bros lot

hannah and i got there early (as instructed) and were pretty much the only ones in attendance who had actually seen og night court (majority of ppl knew melissa rauch from big bang theory)

which is also wild to me by the way?? why would you go to a taping of a show you have never watched??

anyway

we chatted with a very nice belgian lady and a nice australian couple who had been traveling across the country for the last few months (they gave us mini kangaroo pins)

we were not allowed to have our phones on us (alas) or i would have taken a million pictures

new night court set looks a lot more grimy in person?? which i was surprised by because on tv the show looks so much cleaner than the original did. guess that's due to lighting and whatever goes down in postproduction

hannah and i were one of the first ones in line to go into the studio (we all but shoved our way to the front) and got to sit in the second row

they had a magician named mark sweet who warmed the crowd up with very delightful magic tricks (iirc he was also the opening act for tbbt tapings which is how he got this gig)

from where hannah and i were sitting we had a great view of the courtroom set. abby's chambers set and the cafeteria set and the hospital set were more difficult to see

they played a Here's What Happened So Far On Night Court recap for us to which hannah and i were like [ron swanson voice] we know more than you

when larroquette came out for the curtain call opening my vision whited out and i screamed like a maniac

larroquette was very tall and waved cutely and did a peace sign and applauded for melissa and no one else

hannah and i were more insane about that old man than anyone in the whole studio audience

abby's dream sequence scene + julianne's arrival scene:

abby's dream sequence was filmed a previous day; we watched that on tv (it already had the laugh track added)

on the first take of this scene when julianne showed up larroquette did a classic Dan Fielding Yelp and Jumped and hid behind flobert and it was magical to see

this would continue for the rest of the night but on every single take larroquette did something different and it was equally hilarious every time. that man knows how to read a crowd

they told us straight up not to applaud when wendie malick came in as not to distract the actors (or something?? can't remember the reason but i knew she was going to be there so i was not surprised)

gurgslivia canon confirmed (gurgs changed clothes in front of her)

flobert in a wig boston legal reference!!!

when talking about the new prosecutor larroquette did a take where he made an explicit reference to the OG night court pilot (alas i did not write down what it was)

larroquette had to bend down so the makeup people could touch his face up and spritz his hair

larroquette does this little shimmy every time before he gets into character as dan and it's great

great is not a strong enough word actually. seeing him transform into dan fielding before my very eyes was a spiritual experience. i heard colors and smelled sounds.

actors who flubbed the most lines: wendie malick

actors having the most fun with different line readings: larroquette and lacretta and also gary anthony williams

abby's chambers scene:

alternate dan lines: ‘Juicy little mouse’ ‘Juicy little spring lamb’

alternate dan lines: ‘crocheting a shank’ with hand gesture

fantastic line reading: ‘macrame net’

alternate dan lines: ‘chicken feet’ ‘cat brains’ ‘wrestling alligators’ (then that again but in a more southern accent so it was like 'wrasslin gators')

the cheeto bag julianne was holding exploded on the first take but larroquette went with it like a pro

larroquette did extremely hilarious line readings of That’s A Lie every single time

again wendie malick flubbed a lot of lines but she was a champ and got through it

melissa rauch had a lot of fun with the physical comedy in this scene

hospital scene:

julia duffy had soooo much fun slapping melissa rauch

hannah and i SCREAMED when julia duffy implied harry was the father (which i predicted IN MARCH AHAHAHA)

literally i was CLUTCHING hannah's hand. we were losing it

the nice australian couple behind us: .......glad you two are......having fun

melissa rauch once again had fun with the physical comedy

final courtroom scene:

took the longest to film

solid line reading of ‘a scarf with metaphorical strings attached’

some lines were not working during this scene so the writers rewrote them on the spot (and they did not notice my attempt to subliminally get them to hire me for the writers room)

lacretta and nyambi had so much fun during the julianne 'reveal'

when gary anthony williams was dumping the flobert pics out of the bag on one take they got stuck and wouldn't come out and his reaction was very funny

misc:

taping was about four hours long and we were given pizza around the midpoint

saw larroquette chatting with wendie during the breaks very cutely

larroquette swore ‘god damn it’ when he flubbed a line (very rare, he was the best of everyone)

larroquette didn't mix much with the cast other than wendie and melissa

larroquette has a book that he carries his scripts in and it looks leather bound and has a ribbon he uses to mark pages (possibly he has this for every script??)

when larroquette reads dan’s lines while he's rehearsing, he reads them with dan’s scrunched up facial expressions and does dan’s mannerisms (dannerisms??)

phill lewis (director of the ep) came up to the audience at one point and asked if there were any fans of suite life and did the ‘no running in my lobby!!!’ line in moseby’s voice and i shrieked about it

melissa rauch also came up to the audience and said hello and she was very charming

ren bell dialogue coach is hot as fuck

dan rubin was apparently there but we couldn’t see him

larroquette left immediately after curtain call (he does his job gets that paycheck and goes home god bless)

larroquette looked sooooo good in that suit

they filmed some scenes the day before our taping (dream sequence + cafeteria scene) and added a laugh track to them?? but then played them for us so our laughs would be dubbed over the laugh track?? no clue how that works

from what we saw the writers seem to be all relatively young, 20s and 30s (we gotta get more older writers in there for john’s sake)

the best non larroquette actors are easily lacretta and gary anthony williams (who is so funny and needs to be a series regular asap)

wendie malick flubbed a lot of her lines but she is apparently new to filming in front of an audience and she seemed very charming and funny; there were vips in the audience who were friends of hers and she came up and said hi to them

speaking of vips the perks they get include getting to keep their phones on them, being more likely to win prizes from the opening act magician (more on that below), and getting to hang with the actors after the show

melissa rauch impressed me, i think she is really settling into this role and i am excited to see what she does with abby this season

after they had to stop a take bc someone flubbed a line larroquette said something bitchy-funny (‘this is what happens when you-‘) but we couldn’t hear the rest of it

larroquette was doing all the physical comedy his 76 year old self was willing to do and he was amazing

overall seems to be a tight crew and cast god bless

in between takes mark sweet the magician would entertain us and also offered us the chance to win night court merch in exchange for us doing silly things. and at one point mark sweet was giving away signed copies of the script to anyone who had a special talent. so i came up and he had someone from the front row be my assistant. so i said to my assistant okay close your eyes. now reach your left hand out and grab the folder with the scripts out of mark sweet's hand.

i was shameless and got what i wanted :)

anyway overall incredible experience. i came out of there beaming like the joker and with enough energy to pick up a car and throw it five hundred yards. were it not for the laws of this land (aka me living in wisconsin) i would go to tapings every single week.

[rydiathesummoner]

My take on Koana's birth parents

Koana mostly comes off as a socailly awkward tech bro, but he does drop one interesting tidbit on his past: his nomadic Native American coded tribe left him behind on one of their migrations and he has no idea why.

This is obviously a tragic experience, and not out of place in an expansion full of less-than-present parents like Zoraal Ja and Cauhciua. But I'd like to head-canon a new theory: his parents weren't awful. He was not left behind in a nomadic migration, he was left behind in a forced displacement.

For non-USA readers, take a second and read about one of the USA's ugliest acts in history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Basically, any time someone found something profitable, the "settlers" were all like "OOOH OOOH MINE GIMME" and the US government was like "sure ok cool suck it natives, GTFO." The natives were then forced to walk from their homelands to hundreds or even 1000 miles away. Those who could not keep up for whatever reason were abandoned to the elements.

With the blue mage quests, and briefly brought up in Shaaloani I expected more of a plot point about ceruleum. I'd like to theorize that Koana's people lived as a nomadic tribe in an area that was discovered to have a lot of ceruleum. Some greedy rich person was like "OOOOH I REALLY NEED THIS FOR MORE MONEY PLEASE UNDERSTAND" and somehow Koana's people were forced to relocate. Koana, being very young may not have understood that this wasn't following the animal migrations and was a forced move. His parents may have even pretended they were just following the rroneek so he wasn't scared.

How was he left behind? Could have been several things. Children suffered extra hard on the Trail of Tears. Maybe his little legs just couldn't keep up. Or maybe his parents found a way to sneak him out, thinking leaving him to the wilds might be better than dying of starvation and disease.

Being close to this topic IRL I would love to see this dark part of our history in the game. Native displacement is a huge part of our history, whether we like it or not. But I understand why Yoshi P and squad might shy away. The internet would do it's usual shitshow thing of "YoShi P bAdLy HaNdLeD tHiS tOpIc" or "kEeP PoLiTiCs oUt oF mY gAmE" (even though the relocation is history, not politics). They could hire a team of native people and the internet would STILL be like "you don't know what you're talking about, I watched a video once on youtube so I know all about Native Americans and you got this one feather color wrong so everything you wrote is wrong and bad so now I'm going to make 12 youtube videos with me making an O face for a thumbnail about how Yoshi P is racist."

Yeah, I don't blame the team one bit for noping out. It's a fun headcanon though.

[quartings]

Legends Z-A Thoughts and Theories!

Okay, I was pretty quiet on my opinions for Scarlet and Violet, but I'm confident enough to be very pleased and optimistic for this! Legends Arceus was the strongest Pokemon game we had in a decade, and to see them continue this, bring back Megas, and take an extra year to hopefully make it non-buggy? Makes me so so excited!

On Megas:

It's a bit of a surprise to see Megas back, but honestly? Not too much of a surprise. Even ignoring the inevitability of Kalos remakes, Megas are the only gimmick Pokemon kept around in their spinoffs. It was in Mystery Dungeon, Shuffle, Smash Bros, Pokemon Go, and probably more I'm forgetting! So it was always in the back of Gamefreak's mind and I'm glad it's truly back again!

With Gens 8 and 9 bringing back cross-gen evos, I think they'll focus on only giving Megas to three-stage lines, to not quash the potential of 2nd stage Pokemon getting regular evolutions. So starters and Pokemon like Flygon can get Megas since they can't evolve further, but Pokemon like Tropius and Chimecho probably won't, in case they get evolutions in Gen 10 (That then get Megas)

I also don't think we fully grasp how many more Pokemon can get Megas now, too. Barely any of Gen 5 and 6 had Megas (Seriously only 2 Pokemon between the 228 Pokemon in those gens) and we've had THREE more generations since then!!

Note: We went from wanting a Dunsparce evo, to wanting a Dunsparce Mega, to getting Dudunsparce with mixed fan reception. Now I'm going to be a selfish deluded clown bitch and get my hopes up for a Mega Dudunsparce.

Speaking of starters and Megas, do we think we'll get a mish-mash of older starters for this game that then get Megas (Say, Piplup, Snivy, and Scorbunny) or will we get Megas for the three Kalos starters?

Megas may mean Mega Stones return as held items, and held items weren't in Legends Arceus- new gameplay advancement?

Legends Arceus gave us 7 new Pokemon (most of them cross-gen evos) and a dozen new regional forms. Do you think we'll still get regionals this game, or will the design team be focused more on making new Megas instead?

On the world:

It's been confirmed the whole game is only in Lumiose City- how big is the map?? Hopefully we really do get lots of sidequests, biomes for wild Pokemon, and traversal options.

When is this? We're redeveloping Lumiose City, but are we in the past developing it into its current state, or are we in the present/future developing it into a new solarpunk city? Or neither, and this is a "Paradox" game set in a timeline which doesn't quite match ours?

This doesn't have to be an isekai (as in, we don't have to be time travellers again per se), just keep that in mind!

The "Z" in the logo represents Zygarde, with the black color and green hexagons. So who's the "A"? It's green with green scale/leaf patterns on it. What does it represent? The "Chaos" to Zygarde's "Order"? Is it a 5th Zygarde form or is it a whole new Pokemon?

Meta thoughts:

This further confirms my theory that Gen 9 will last until 2026, where they announce Gen 10 on that year's Pokemon Day for their 30th anniversary, and that's great! I'm glad they aren't overworking themselves too much compared to Gens 6-8.

On them "skipping" Unova remakes: I don't see this as skipping. We've been long overdue for a Z version since Kalos is literally the only Pokemon region to only appear in one release (no third version, no remakes, no sequels, no ultras, no DLC). So we're simply making up for the "deficit" of a third version here, and we can go back to focusing on Unova remakes for Gen 10.

Do you think we'll get any final updates to SV to tide us over until the next LegendZ trailer around August? Maybe a small DLC, mythical reveal, or free update?

Pokemon Adventures skipped the last Legends game, so they'll probably skip this one too? I'm fine either way- at least by skipping it, they won't be too rushed and stressed, and they'll actually have the time to flesh out SV and catch up with ORAS/SM/USUM/SwSh in the full volumes.

But on the off chance they do adapt Legends Z-A, do you think we'll get dexholders named Z and A??

Note for the future- the Yoasobi Pokemon song BiriBiri has a part where they namedrop all the game titles- one part has the lyrics "ABC to the XYZ". Long shot, but if Legends Z-A does indeed have an ABC theming, this could be a crazy bit of either coincidental or intentional foreshadowing!

[redphienix]

I still think about star wars battlefront 2's space fights

and how dying in an online match of chromehounds put you on foot as an infantry

and how selecting the same map as your coop player in smb3 initiated a match of Mario Bros

and how incredibly good fuzzles were in Oddworld Stranger's Wrath

and how many hours of fun I had playing custom games of chaos theory's asymmetric multiplayer

and about doing super jumps in halo 2 for hours and hours (and ToP)

and all the silly accessories everyone I knew (and myself) collected for the original gameboy and gameboy color to slap a magnifying glass on it or quadruple the battery amount or slap a light on it

and how much fun I had in animal crossing wild world after literal years of being interested in the series despite my entire exposure to it being a single article in a gaming mag and (maybe) the live action commercial for the gamecube version

and about that time I did a completion run of FFT and at some point was just using all lvl 99 calculators with chameleon robes spamming holy on everyone in the fight which took forever to play out and I did this on the big screen in the living room for some reason

and about tying socks around rock band drum pads

and about how everyone seemed to stop what they were doing and focused on beating resident evil 4 10 billion times when it came out

and just lots of random little game things.

[after-nine-at-the-oasis]

Ohh right yeah :O

She may not remember well xd

Lol exactly Jay

Yeeppp xd

Might get Thooor

Exactlyyy

Maybe Flower too

Lol

Bestie she will get you

XD HELP him stepping away from the wall

Imagine Trevor is the one who can resist her strength wise lol, justice for him

Uhh- A WORM LOL

Icon

Ahh xD true! In the right area

OHHH okay nice :O! We're getting somewhere!!

Star wars talk xD

Poor Hetty lol

SLFKFJKDS poor Trevor xD

He's already lost enough by not having pants, bro can't lose an arm and sleeve as well

Suuuure Thor xD

Fair

For leaving Patience or Isaac

This guy's got some real abandonment issues (being the abandoner)

Stop 😭

UAGH BAD HUSBAND IN LIFE 😭🥺

Actually not okay

Wild that he's one of the few married in life lol

Beatrice is my Roman empire ngl

Aww Sas's face :(

Awww Isaac :')

Probably gonna switch in two seconds for the comedy but I hope you manage it xdd

LOL yep xD

The rock is crazy

Hey fair he did say that xD

I hope he does take that to heart though when they get out <3

It would be wild if they just stayed in here lol, have separate storylines for the rest of the season xD

See now you guys gotta say you're still lonely, missing the old gang or with just each other to talk to when she's gone or whatever

Imagine if she grabbed somebody more recent though like Hetty or something lol

Yk another friend

. . or Nigel-

Sorry it's just theories xD

OOOPE CRAP THEY HAVEN'T NOTICED HER

How did y'all miss that 😭

Ohhh nooo

Poor Patience :(

Back to life for her :'((

BESTIESSS

Too sane 😭 xD

Ohhh no

CRAPPPP

Good luck y'all xdd

Ohh yeah digging makes sense :D xD

SAM lol 💀

Is she really gonna grab him from underneath xD

Oop!!

Idk sounds different-

Ope :o awww bunnies :DD!!!

Leave them alone Thor gosh xD

Girlypop xD

Lol

Ahh yepp 😬😬

Assuming that's a reference

Aww lol 🥰🥰 Jay and Pete <33

This thing turns gray when it pauses and it's kind of jarring to go back to color sometimes lol

Yeah they're still being held hostage lol

Yeahhh aw lol

Everyone like 🙄

But Trevor is like 🙄 :) lol, aww

Aww Patience :(( she's trying

Uh oh o.o

What is the one thing

Ohh nooo

Lol yep

OPE 😳💀

Uhh ohhh

Imagine if they accidentally walked into where they dug lol (a new spot or that spot)

LOL Sas xD

OH GOSH THE GROWL HISS NOISE

Dang girl xd

It is horrifying, like as a concept

Kept thinking that through the recap

RECAP! THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED

Anyway lol

Ripp lol

That's a rock bestie

Unfortunately yeah xD

💀💀 excuse me

Fair given how the basement ghosts are

YOO HEY GUYS :D

You could always run while you have the chance xD

I think they might and then end up going back for her lol but

See Isaac be a better person again xD

Ew oof xD the worm lol

It was probably Patience 😌😔😌

From Flower's time lol

XD Nancy

Chill girl lol

Not annoying xD lol

Awww Patience :'O :')

Awww wait honey no :(((

See guys be better :(( what happened to that :(?

It might take em a minute xD

They don't even see the others first they just come up with her like "😬 heyy :)" xD

They probably will come and get some advice lol

Nancy xD

[clownboymcchucklefuck]

Colored Gaze Theory: Simon is a cannibal. [DEBUNKED]

I know this sounds wild at first but I've checked some old posts and it scarily adds up to this.

[Picture from Colored Gaze demo]

Here are the old posts from Twitter I'm talking about:

I probably should have had this already figured out with the first post but I wanted more proof.

I knew of the whole relationship of Simon and It with Simon feeding It but it always confused me a little on how SIMON is the one doing the feeding somehow, And its been heavily hinted at that It eats people. But Simon isn't the type to go out and kill anyone! Bro who tf said Simon didn't have some strange entity attached to him like venom and could snap your neck and you wouldn't know it until you saw Micheal Jackson moonwalking towards you? 💀

Its already been stated multiple times on the C.C that Simon is a very good cook and I just thought this was a wholesome thing until you start piecing things together.

In another post on the creators tumblr blog it was asked if Simon would be willing to go on a picnic at night with Virgil/@wouldyoustayvn and this was the response:

Innocent, right? Wholesome, right?

Oh my fucking God I could never be more wrong if this implies what I think it does.

Once again this could just be the tism making me look to far into this but...that "homemade" isn't really sitting right with me. And also note the usage of They/Them pronouns in this so that means this is including It in the response to along with Simon.

Once again this is implying that Simon is a food provider for It. This just keeps getting more and more terrifying by the second

Correct me if I'm wrong but also everytime Simon cooking something for MC or something simular has been mentioned on the C.C it always has some sort of underlying tone to it?

This last part could just be me looking to far into this but its been mentioned that Simon has brittle nails and brittle nails are commonly a symptom of having a lack of nutrients in your body. Thought I should mention that to in this theory

___________________________________________

@dont-wannadothis-anymore

Simon belongs to: @clrdgaze/@mr-ritza

[rwqv]

whoops i accidentally unfollowed when i was trying 2 send u another ask ... am not a fake fan pls

no bro i totally get what u mean like the culling games absolutely threw me off... like season one was all happy n dandy and yuji was figuring out his powers yes!!!! and then ooo a flashback to gojos past thats super slice of life-y how cool! and omggg shibuya incident this is where soo much action is happening and kenjaku might win!!! and then kenjaku is setting up a killing game with a points system ? like where r we going with this

like yes action wow but like at the same time i just want the story to progress... like its all battle battle battle battle with soo many characters like give me sum story ...

i think the zenins getting destroyed was cool asf and i cannot lie naoya is kinda hot SORREY ..... like hes a terrible awful person and hes ugly when his mouth is open but like he looks hot when his mouths closed i cant help it..

remi is only in like 10 panels at max LOL so u shouldn't have any trouble.... but she'll be the one to defeat sukuna trust me

NO LIKE LITERALYL RENDERING IS SOOOSO BORINGGGG .... honk shooo snooze fest ... like the idea of it is so cool and when i actually do render like it makes me feel so happy that it looks so much better compared to the sketch ... but at the same time like i just get so bored nd unhappy after a little ... BUT THANK UUU .... im ngl i lay a bunch of random colors down n pray for the best .. i took a couple advanced art classes in my days that taught me like the slightest bit of color theory but really angel ganev on yt is my goat like i literally have learned sm from him just from his youtube shorts LOLLLL hes the best ...

but like yeah .. i alwayz render over the sketch which sometimes looks cool and it looks cool on all my inspo but oh my goodness it takes so so long to do ... lowk i might go back to lineart even tho i HATE lineart

YES NOBAMAKI NATION!!! SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fakest fan ever!!!! ggggrrr

yuji learning his power was so wholesome and even the kyoto exchange was good and gojo lore was also great and i liked the shibuya incident although i just wanted mahito to die. but whats the poitn of the culling game bro its not jeopardy... also i keep thinking whenebr they say noritoshi kamo as kenjaku i keep thinking its the third year or whatever

i think the complexity of jjk comes from the deep level of thought gege put into it. i was watching some explinations on tiktok and i felt like gege definitely has the brain to do stuff its just why did you do the culling games make more story pls

thats just personal feeling though i love seeing all the fight scenes and stuff but it feels kinda baseless like yeah all these randos popping out of nowhere for like 0 reason at all definitely have a meaning. all these good character ideas too

i do understand that everyone was saying jjk was dragging on for too long but 5 chapters is not enough to finish everything off either!!! what about the merger? what about like other people? are we ever gonna get a reason why sukuna goes on a killing rampage?? is he evil to just be evil?? i mean i get the fact that everyone hated him and he was based off of someone who was despised at birth for his extra limbs but... just blood lust?!

if gege did a spinoff series where everything was slice of life and fun id watch it... lobotomy kaisen is carrying me rn

LIKE MAKI YES GOO i support also WHAT... that man would want you in shackles bro he does not think of women kindly... naoya is a wild crush

esp with that popularity poll and HE COMES OUT NUMBER 5. NUMBER 5 OUT OF EVERYONE. HOOWWWW. over sukuna my bbg... and mechamaru...

I GET IT WITH GETTING BORED like okay heres another color that no one else will notice but ill spend 10 minutes undoing and redoing because it doesnt look right!!! i will be sure to chec angel ganev out!!!

i hate lineart tbh i just use my sketch as my lineart and call it good because if i line it it looks like i traced my own art bro its crazy but ur rendering over ur sketch looks so goated ngl but u do whats best for u because art is about being happy and cool!!!! and expression (even if its sugar baby gojo)

NOBAMAKI WAS SO CUTE IN THE SHOW IT MADE ME SO HAPPY they are so cute together i fw them heavy

i miss happy jjk

[anna-scribbles]

merry christmas @kenna-nor!! i was ur aps secret santa :)) I hope this satisfied all your marichat/post reveal needs haha

[familyagrestefanblog]

Image-analysis: Adriens childhood dream drawing

Finally, at long last I managed to get something done again

Adriens childhood dream drawing in "Wishmaker" has caused quite the reaction from both the Fandom as well as the ml crew and I've stated my personal opinion on this matter too.

I don't think the Fandom overreacted at all, at the very least initially where reactions where purely caused by first impressions instinct and lack of time to possess what we just saw, but even afterwards it's more the case of fans analysing a suspicious image and try to work with it. Because that's how this stuff normally WORKS (Other shows WISHED they had a Fandom as dedicated as Miraculous'...)

The Agreste drawing is the only one where the characters in it are decipted with major character design changes whereas all the other drawings show the character in the way we know them so the viewer can quickly identify who we are looking at (which is important because the drawings aren't that long on screen). The Agreste drawing NOT following this pattern for no apparent reason led to Fans immediately interpreting it as a hint to be taken literal (because that's how the other drawings work), which from then on things indeed quickly led to buckle wild fan theories, throwing everything we knew about the Agreste around in every angle imaginable. It was a wild mess, but that doesn't make it an overreaction from the fans side. People hadn't reacted like this if whoever designed and greenlighted this had properly checked if the images visual Story telling actually comes across the way it was supposed to. Because it DOESN'T.

That's how I see the case: visual Story telling gone extremely wrong because the way the image was included in the episode led up to wrong conclusions about its artistic choices. Immensely unfortunate and misleading, but in the end that doesn't mean the drawing held no meaning in the first place. After all, the Agreste drawing is by far the most detailed and structured one of them all, there IS meaning behind it. It just got lost and overshadowed.

And this is what I wanna do now. Take a closer look at Adriens childhood dream drawing and find the actual hidden intention behind its artistic choices.

For this I will also talk about the other childhood dream illustrations as well and the episode "Wishmaker" in general. Also, as always, I talk in depth about the Agreste family members again. This time our cat son in particular. Keep in mind though that I'm primarily writing down interpretations the drawing simply opened up as a possibility, I'm not only explicitly writing down what I to 100% BELIEVE is 100% canon. Art is subjective and SO much fun to theorize with, so please don't go "it's not that deep Bro" on me in the comments, I don't care for your killjoy salt.

So without further ado, in this analysis essay I'll talk about the following topics:

1) Dream pov

1.2) Development stages

2) Visual Story telling

2.1) Symbols

2.2) Color schemes of the Agreste family members

2.3) Switched eye colors and "perfection"

1.) Dream pov

Adriens drawing is unique because of its particular usage of Pov. The other drawing either depict a 4th wall pov, like Marinettes for example:

It's clear that we aren't looking through anyones eyes, it's just little Marinette at some point in her childhood drawing an image of herself as the Knitting fairy. All by herself. The lack of somebodys elses pov (her parents for example) has the affect that the entire characterization is purely on Marinette. It's HER dream and she wanted it for HERSELF. Nobody else is involved and therefore it also doesn't convey a bigger picture than that (which btw is completely fine. Simplistic is allowed and not everything has to be part of a larger backstory picture. Although not gonna lie, Marinettes Knitting Fairy design was so detailed and well designed I wouldn't be surprised if it came up again at some point for a bigger purpose but that's a topic for another post)

In comparison to this we have Alec, for who at first we get a 4th wall pov like Marinettes, but then it changes to the pov of the people who mocked him.

Showing us how initially Alec loved his hair and wore them the way he wanted to because it made him happy, without any regard of what the people around him thought. But once people made him feel bad about it our pov shifts to the eyes of the mockers, because that's where Alec's focus laid from then on. The people through whose eyes we are looking do not matter individually, hence why we get no faces, leaving all the charactertization for us to only projet onto Alec. This conveys the bigger picture of "Alec once based his decision for his appearance purely on his own opinion, but then people made him feel self conscious causing him to prioritize what other people think he should look/be like over his own opinion" (which deadass explains EVERYTHING about his entire character. Personality, job, behavior etc this episode did AMAZING in this regard!)

Most of the episodes childhood dreams are like Marinettes, because that's how children dream. They don't think about how other people will persive their dream and just go for it because it makes them happy.

This is healthy for a child. A child around the age the dreams show shouldn't care yet for what the world thinks about them, their dreams and what makes them happy. This awareness if other peoples perspectives and the task to find balance between the two is a burden that comes while growing up. But first the own identity has to develop freely to grow up into a self-confident and healthy person. Alec is the only 4th wall pov child who had this development interrupted by the people who mocked him, which is fitting for the role as the akuma victim, because through being confronted with André, who found his true calling later in life, he was able to overcome his childhood trauma and become the person his child-self was so confident to be.

So. Why am I talking to extensively about everybody else's dream povs (besides me just really having fun doing so)? Because, as I said, Adriens childhood dream really is the unique exception here for 2 reasons:

1) Adrien is not in the same age range as the childhood dreams selves of the others.

And 2) Unlike everyone else Adrien didn't even "start out" with the 4th wall pov and then had reality crush him to shift his perspective to the ones from the people around him like Alec.

Adriens childhood dream illustration is the only image that is shown from the persons point of view, in every other one the person having the dream is in focus because that's what the dreams where about. The person themselve. But in Adriens case his "dream" was to be what his parents wanted him to be, so here Adriens PARENTS are the ones in focus. It is THEIR expectations and validation he tries to reach all his life and the image conveys the sad reality that from Adriens point of view he never was able to actually GET there.

He's reaching out, trying to reach his parents who he wants to make proud and want to be with but they aren't reaching back for him making HIM do the work of closing the distance.

Marinette, Alec and every other child is shown at what? Around 5? A normal age for the wild dreams we see people getting turned into, that are still untouched by the responsibilites and reality of real life (besides Alec, dude learned it young).

Adrien on the other hand is shown as a BABY. It is buckle wild that Wishmakers powers had to dig THIS deep into his memories to find a childhood dream of what Adrien wanted to be. I really have to say that the episode made appropriately a big deal out of Adrien being so desperate and clueless for his own dreams and I'm not going to give this the Sentimonster treatment. If Adrien turns out to be one that's one things but you'll never catch me saying that Wishmaker having to dig this deep and only finding the dream to please his parents is a proof that Adrien is a Sentimonster, because it simply means that the isolation and control Adrien is raised under affected him strongly right since toddlerhood and forced his inexperienced and impressionable mind to adjust to impossible standards/expectations and that this stressful situation has never actually stopped til now. Which is ACCURATE to what we have seen in the show.

Besides that, there is one detail I haven't seen anyone bring up yet that I think is a solid argument for why it isn't odd at all that Adriens childhood "dream" turned out to be what we saw.

When Adrien is hit by Wishmakers powers to reveal his childhood dream notice that Chat Noir is noticeably LESS rainbow-colored than everyone else.

So if everybody turned rainbow-colored while remembering their childhood dream to then TURN into said legit dream, then it says quite alot about Adriens "dream" that the same didn't happen for him. It's like Wishmakers powers legitimately didn't find a childhood dream at all within Adrien and because of that they latched onto the next best thing, which is the natural instinct of every toddler to adjust themselves to what their parents/care takers want them to be so they love them.

So in my opinion it isn't accurate nor fair to judge Adriens "dream" entirely the same way we view the others, because we are simply not talking about the same type of psychological manifestation. Sure, it still counts as a wish because every toddler has that desire to be loveable, hence why Wishmaker was able to latch onto it and reveal it. But in no way would I categorize it as a legit childhood dream like the others.

So I will rather call it Adriens instinctive dream as a toddler, because that's what the episode actually portrays in my opinion. I will still compare it to the other dreams but only in the sense of that this IS simply the defining childhood "dream" of Adrien and what all of this and the comparisons can tell us about Adrien himself.

Remember how I said that children around the age Marinette and the other people were shown forming their dreams and their view of themselves is completely normal and healthy? Yeah, so what does this tell you about Adrien?

1.2) Development stages

It's not even like Alec who got to have a normal child psyche til the age of 5, Adriens drawing outright tells us that Adrien NEVER even really entered this important stage of forming his own identity and personhood as a child. He NOW has to make up for it from teenager age on til... well, forever.

I know some of you may ask how that's even possible, a child just not entering a development stage they are supposed to already engulf in at the age of 5, but believe me it's definitely possible and DOES happen to many people out there. And yes, these people sometimes have some serious psychological damages to overcome when they grow older, the development stages of toddlerhood and childhood are THIS unspeakably important.

Since this is a family cartoon Adriens drawing is of course a visualisation of the obvious extreme, children like him (let's take the children of celebrities or from Toddlers & Tiaras and Dance moms for example) can of course still enter the development stage in different kind of degrees. Some are lucky and somehow get to somewhat independently develop themselves whereas others were unlucky like Adrien and had to prioritize developing other psychological abilities to survive their environment. More on that later.

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Though I have to correct myself, Adriens pov is not entirely unique there is one more occasion where we see this particular pov:

Adriens drawing is like Andrés where he gives out the ice cream.

The pov of that drawing is through Andrés own eyes because it's supposed to convey that the act of GIVING the ice cream to people and how it affects THEM is what brings him joy. That's what HE loves about his dream job and therefore functions brilliantly as characterisation.

Adriens drawing is done in the same pov so the very same characterisation also applies to him, telling us WHY Adrien didn't get to enter that development stage and WHY it didn't came more naturally to him to prioritize himself anyway the way it happenes with other children in his situation:

Adrien was not only forced to never let go of his natural instict of adjusting himself the best he can to his parents wishes out of self-protection it also just simply makes/made him legitimately HAPPY to make THEM happy the same way we see now that Adrien tends to put his own comfort second place to let thers be happy, which in return makes him happy again. It's an incredibly sympathic trait Adrien developed very early on which normally starts to bloom in pre-teen age (maybe a bit younger) because of the self-centric stage Marinette and the other kids went through before that. But in Adriens case he basically switched out these two development stages which made him the way we see him now in the show. A fascinatingly strange mix of being emotionally over-developed for his age in some aspects and under-developed in other aspects peers his age normally don't struggle with anymore. Abuse can REALLY mess a person up guys.

Abuse victims mixing up development stages because their environment demanded other qualities first for their survival is not rare at all and these mix-ups come in all sorts of combinations.

The drawing even provides us with visual clues to understand in more detail why Adrien developed this sympathetic trait in particular. In general no part of Adriens childhood drawing stands entirely on its own, its clearly visible that unlike the other drawings Adriens is supposed to convey an entire detailed life situation (including his parents) so there is no easy way for me to find the "right order" to properly explain that big picture. So in my opinion, to start breaking down the visual Story telling of why Adrien became so overly sympathic and lacking in self-preservation is by starting with

2) Visual Story telling

2.1 Symbols

Each Agreste member has one Symbol assigned to them from Baby Adriens point of view and this is how I interpret them:

1) Adriens star

Adrien has the star symbol right in the middle and the symbol speaks quite for itself. It represents the enormous expectations layed on Adrien and that he always had to strive to uphold the standard of the Agrestes being a celebrity/upper class family and the only child of his parents marriage. We all have heard horrible stories of children being their parents "star" and being pushed too extreme limits out of parental love. Yeah, that is 100% Adriens position in his family.

Emilie and Gabriel sure as hell made sure that Adrien has access to only the best teaching, training and interests. I have no doubt that Adriens parents really thought they did him a favor here (as its very often the case in such situations), especially because we actually learn through the way Gabriel ALWAYS talks about Adrien to other people, that Adrien is successfully reaching his parents standards.

Just unfortunate that Gabriel hardly lets Adrien KNOW that (I'm pretty sure Gabriel thinks it should be so obvious he doesn't need to mention it, but that's not how parenting works Gabe :/), which results in Adrien having painfully deep self-esteem issues.

He doesn't think he's ever enough and that every little mistake he does is an unforgivable disappointment towards the person who had such high hopes in him.

The golden star is actually used in one more childhood drawing, also as symbol of the current state of self-esteem.

Back when Alec was a child full of confidence and pride he was standing on a big golden star. It's an implication that Alec wanted to be famous every since childhood and the star glasses he is wearing show that he was confidently looking into a future of stardom. He saw himself as a glorious upcoming superstar.

But when the people around him started mocking him his star glasses shatter to the floor and the golden star underneath him begins to fade until eventually its completely gone in the third drawing. Child Alec is left horribly self-conscious and with the broken remainings of his outlook into stardom. The glasses aren't gone showing that his dream of becoming famous in TV is still what he wants, but his view was permanently changed and even BROKEN so of course he ended up the way Alecs was from s1 til now. The dream stayed the same but his approach changed greatly.

How to connect all of that to Adriens drawing should be easy. Not only does it symbolize that Adriens has always been his parents "Star" and had to uphold all of those impossible expectations ever since he can remember, it also shows that confidence in himself, his talents and his place in the world is another enormous expectation his parents had for him. Which ironically put so much pressure and one hell of a lack of granted individuality on Adrien that OF COURSE it had the complete opposite effect! Just LOOK at that damn star dangling over Baby Adrien, that shit’s disgusting and I DIG IT.

Another noteworthy detail is that the star has the same color as baby Adriens nursery, which is symbolizing the golden cage Adrien has always been locked up in. The Star and the cage come hand in hand in the circumstances his parents put him in, this is literally so depressing. Adrien was a BABY and we get thing kind of imagery, damn...

And if you wanna take it one step further let's talk about Emilie for a second, because Mama Agrestes hair has the same color as Adriens star and his "cage".

One of the most obvious things on how the drawing manages to convey the family dynamic is that Chat Noir is placed underneath his mothers face between the golden cage on the one side and his own toddler-self on the other one.

Back when Adrien was a toddler the possibility was still THERE that Adrien gets to grow up forming a legitimate bond with BOTH of his parents, hence why Baby Adrien is placed right between his parents. He could still reach both of them at that point. But as we can now painfully clear see through Chat Noirs placement Gabriel was not at all present enough in his son's life which caused Adrien to be pulled entirely to his mothers side over time.

This doesn't sound so bad at first, even relieving to know that Adrien at least had his mother when he was already denied a father. But as many will agree with me I don't think things were this "easy".

I'm not saying in any way that Emilie deliberately hindered her husband and son from connecting with another so she can have both of them for herself, this is honestly not how I see Emilie at all. But what I think is that Emilie definitely unintentionally enabled Gabriels distant parenting and maybe even made things worse by always being there for Adrien and taking over for Gabriel whenever her husband struggled or became overwhelmed (which is 100% what Gabriel is characterized as when it comes to having to parent his son, that man has no idea what the fuck he's doing and he KNOWS it).

Ironically enough teenage Adrien in this drawing seems to be locked up in his MOTHERS grasp, no, Chat Noir seems to be locked up in his mothers grasp. NOT his fathers the way we know it.

Even Adriens golden nursery is also higher on Emilies side to have Chat Noir fully in the "cage" as well. If Chat Noir where placed on Gabriels side it would seem less cage- like.

This fits VERY well to the fan observation that even though Gabriel is incredibly controlling, Adrien was only able to actually get some freedom AFTER Emilie was out of the picture. So Emilie may have been a more affectionate and chiller person, but it was precisely that close connection between them that made it impossible for Adrien to escape home pre-show. Whereas Gabriels negligence ironically leaves Adrien with more opportunities to made a life of his own because even the most intense prison security can be escaped from when the prison guard simply doesn't pay as much attention as they SHOULD to keep the prisoner inside.

And you know what I just noticed? That's exactly what this very episode has shown to us what Adrien is truly escaping from now.

Adrien has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to work for his father in the future, which is why he was so upset that he couldn't get a grasp on his own future outlooks. Gabriel may have been the prison guard on the last remaining wall of Adriens golden cage, but unlike Emilie Gabriel is not able to actually keep his son inside. Without Emilie and her engulfing presence as Adriens main reason to stay Adrien has now managed to break loose from the very childhood family image that has defined Adrien all his life. And he did so by moving on from his mothers former presence now for good, just like he left his fathers family expectations for him behind and accepted his fear as truth that Ladybug will one day just not need him with her anymore (not that its true of course).

There is one more thing I wanna talk about regarding how Emilie may have unintentionally come between Adrien and Gabriel and how she personally affected Adrien, but I will come back to this point once I'm talking about the color schemes of each Agreste member in the drawing in more detail.

Keep it in mind and now moving on to...

2. Gabriels symbol: the cloud

The cloud has the same color as the clothing of Emilie and baby Adrien, showing that Adrien was always under the subconscious self-pressure that if only he proofs himself to be good enough Gabriel will stop alienating himself. Sure he is wearing blue as well, but it's much darker than what his wife and son are wearing. Gabriel is not as present and connected with his role as a father as he should be. In addition to this, notice how the dream-cloud sky is opening up behind Gabriel. Adrien noticed VERY early on that his father won't be present at times, making him a worrisome uncertainty in Adriens young mind.

The light blue cloud symbolizes the pressure Adrien put on himself too be good enough for his father to make him stay. Closing the open cloud-sky Gabriel can just vanish through any moment and fully taking on the (light blue) role as father Adrien wants/needs him to be.

Interestingly enough we actually SEE Gabriel one time in the blue clothing more fitting to his family.

In the Agreste family portrait where we see them as the "formerly happy family" Gabriel wants to get back.

How fortunate for me and my sanity now that I already did a whole analysis post on this very portrait, meaning I can only focus on the details here that I actually need without sacrificing necessary context.

In the analysis post I concluded that Gabriel honestly thought they were a legitimately happy family back then because HE had everything he needed, felt loved, save and secure. He was blind to the discomforts of his other two family members, because he didn't wanted to see it and because they also tried to not make him unhappy and basically didn't twell on it for his sake.

Meaning in short: Gabriel was the ONLY one who was actually legitimately happy back then and the portrait showcases that Gabriel saw himself as a family father in light blue, the way he should be, but we all know that this doesn't represent the actual reality. In the analysis post I point out just how many details in the portrait hint at the dysfunctionality of the Agreste family and now we can add Gabriels blue suit as one hint more.

Alright, this brings us to Mama Agreste.

3. Emilies red crescent

Though not gonna lie, Emilies symbol kinda leaves me guessing. It's red color fits to the clouds behind it making it the symbol that seems to fit the best into the "environment". As if it's the "normal" and "subtle" one. But besides that the red of her symbol isn't used to make a visual connection between the moon and other things in the drawing the way the symbols of her son and husband work.

The closest things to resemble her red color are Baby Adriens hands, her lips and glow under her eyes.

A logical meaning of the crescent is of course Emilies magical coma/death, Emilie in her state of being "put to sleep" is literally all we have ever met her in. So a "forshadowing" of her future fate was my first assumption, but I don't see how this would in any way fit into Adriens pov the way his own and Gabriels symbols work. I just can't quite grasp a logical narrative behind the meaning so I'll leave it like this and move on (do leave your interpretations of Emilies symbol in the comments/replies though, maybe you guys see a connection I overlooked!)

2.2) Color schemes of the Agreste family members

Okay, now this is probably just a "me" thing but I cannot ignore it once that thought popped up in my head: because of Gabriel being colored completely different from his normal civilian form

and Emilie not having her green eyes, here open kinda messy hair instead of the neat braid we are used from her character model and also a different outfit as well. These two simply do not look enough like Adrien Agrestes parents, but oh MY, they sure do look like Chat Noirs parents!

If we didn't know Chat Noirs secret identitiy or anything about his civilian life and THIS was the first image we had gotten of his parents I would 100% believe it. Hence why Emilie and Gabriel being depicted like this may feel off putting, but at the same time it doesn't feel wrong either when you only look at the drawing. Because Chat Noir is right THERE and he looks like the child of these two people. It only feels off putting once you remember that Chat Noir is Adrien Agreste and how his parents actually look like, since we know these people, but this frame on its own?

Actually nothing weird about it. It's just Chat Noir and his parents.

Emilie shears her color pallet with Adriens baby form (at least the glimpses we get here). Same light blue clothing, which is also her eye color and the color of Adriens jeans in his today's civilian outfit, and her skin color is also in the same, warmer tone as Adriens (please just take my word for it I forgot to include it here). Additionally to this we have current day-Chat Noir right underneath her head to give us the visual connection of both their blond, messier hair to show us "yup, that's his mother".

With the depiction of the future self of her son she now only shears the same hair since Gabriel now has Adriens/Chats green eyes. It almost feels like the baby boy she once had grew out of their connection, but remember that thats not quite accurate either. Hes still wearing the light blue of his mother in his civilian clothing and “Adrien” is just as legit of a part of him as “Chat Noir”.

In comparison to Emilie it's actually striking just how much Gabriel doesn't look like ADRIENS father at all here but is 100% the father of Chat Noir.

Gabriels dark blue suit is much closer to Chats black one than Emilies and Baby Adriens light blue, and his white shirt reminds of Chats bell. Additional to that we have Gabriels black glasses that remind of Chats black mask, his hair has the same curve as Chats cat ears (yo, a visual resemblence is a visual resemblence. Subconsciously your mind notices shit like this and makes the connection) and of course, last but not least, now it's Gabriel who Adrien/Chat shears his green eyes with not Emilie anymore.

From a visual standpoint it's pretty clear that "Adrien" reflects Emilie whereas "Chat Noir" reflects Gabriel. But it's especially the eyes which make a huge impact on how the viewer reads the family connections, so now having EMILIE as the only family member in the drawing with a different eye color (Normally that's always Gabriel) immediately alienates her from her husband and son but I'll get to this in a bit.

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Remember when I said that I wanted to talk about another thing on how Emilie may have unintentionally come between Adrien and Gabriel and directly affected Adrien through it? Yeah let's come back to that for a sec before I continue with the topic of EMILIE being the one visually alienated by her husband and future son.

Please remember for this that these analyse posts are primarily thought exercises of what the visual plus already given context can open up as possibilities as interpretation. I don't know how much I BELIEVE the following topic to be true in Canon but it's definitely an interesting angle to put into consideration.

And now we just talked about that "Adrien Agreste" visually reflects Emilie herself while "Chat Noir" reflects Gabriel out of all people. Are we on the same page again? Wonderful. Because now I wanna quickly talk about how I mentioned that I concluded in my analysis post of the family Agreste portrait that only GABRIEL was actually happy back then and that THIS also means Emilie wasn't exactly picture-book happy with her husband and that the portrait actually quite suspiciously HIDES how she truly feels about Gabriel.

I'll just say it because this post has already become another essay monster without me beating about the bush. In my opinion the drawing allows the interpretation that maybe Emilie (possibly even unknown to herself) came between Adrien and Gabriel and tended so much to Adrien because Gabriel wasn't actually too great of a husband either and because of that she, over time, wanted Adrien to become the way she WISHED Gabriel was.

I think I've talked about how Adrien/Chat Noir shears quite alot of mannerisms, body language and way of speaking with his father Gabriel/Hawkmoth. It's one thing I always legitimately LIKED because alot of abuse victims struggle hard with noticing similarities to their abusers in themselves and yet that doesn't mean we are JUST like our abusers. But now let's put a little spin on that.

We know by now that Emilie was isolated and lonely as well, just like her son, and I don't mean this in any condemning way at all, but what if she unintentionally saw and treated Adrien as some sort of replacement-Gabriel the way Gabriel sees Adrien as a reminder of Emilie?

Take another look, how it is CHAT NOIR (who reflects GABRIEL) who is now shown to be locked up in his mothers grasp. That initially Adrien as a toddler started out between his parents, but more like his mother simply by nature, but as time went on Emilie became unhappier with Gabriel (which is a solid possibility, the man now turned out to be a sadistic terrorist. That shit doesn't come from nowhere) and ended up projecting her feelings onto Adrien. Making her pull her son from his place in between his parents as their CHILD only to HER side, now functioning as the actual link between her and her husband to make their mariage work.

Can you imagine that? Because somehow I kinda can. Emilie as a copying mechanisms making Adrien into the version of Gabriel she wished her husband was. Which is only made worse by Gabriel seeing so much of Emilie and Adrien

So in kinda the same way that Emilie tried to raise Adrien to NOT get the same shortcomings as Gabriel, GABRIEL tries to polish out the imperfections of his wife he also sees in his son. My GOODNESS no wonder Adriens responisbilities and expectations sky-rocket to such an awful extend.

There are quite alot of solid indications in the show that Emilie and Gabriel didn't lead the “perfect, happy marriage” we are kinda told they had. But now I legitimately kinda fear that instead of really TALKING with each other and working out their problems to help their marriage (which is normal. Stuff happens that gives even the happiest relationships/marriage rocky times but people you need to TALK IT OUT) Gabriel and Emilie rather pretend everything is fine (the way Adrien tends to do it) while completely taking their unhappiness with each other out on Adrien by "meaning well".

Unintentionally or on purpose doesn't matter right now, what IS important is that I find it scarily probable that Adrien might have been put in the awful and incredibly damaging position of being the only child of a dysfunctional marriage who is burdened with literally holding the entire family together on their own expense, having to make up for everyones faults and behavior by having to be perfect and "reasonable" all the time or else all hell breaks loose. For which THEY will be blamed for because "everything was manageable until THEY acted out". Adrien is even now literally the only sanity left in the entire Agreste family (probably a solid reason why he's left in the dark) and non of this seems to be anything new to these dynamics. But of course though we have reached a point now where everyone is straining their anchor so much that not only are they letting go of him, he's also reaching his limits.

Holy DAMN am I concerned for Adrien right now because the Ladynoir situation also relies entirely on Chat Noir just putting up with everything Ladybug throws at him. He doesn't get to break because she basically already has that privilege now and if he does HE has to get over it and be reasonable.

Adrien as the anchor is straight up being pulled apart to his limits and then left as an afterthought in BOTH situations of his life right now, he's going to fucking explode in the s4 finale and it will be UGLY.

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I apologize for digressing so much again, the last section wasn't planned I simply was in a flow. Anyway, from one depressing option of why Gabriel looks like Chat Noir in the drawing to the next. Are you ready? I promise you're not.

So, before I digressed like hell we left off with the question of why Emilie is now the one being visually alienated from her husband and future son when normally it's always GABRIEL in that position.

These visual connections are simply beyond fascinating to me. Adrien in his civilian Form has always been compared alot more to Emilie and this drawing reflects that (besides the eye colors), whereas Gabriel is the one alienated because of his aloofness. But now, good 14 years later, the same color scheme that singled Gabriel out in the past is the one Adrien adapted for his Chat Noir persona. And remember, as Chat Noir Adrien wants to purposely NOT be Adrien Agreste anymore so it's almost like Adrien actively/subconsciously took an example of his fathers aloofness he always noticed to channel it into recreating the very same distance towards "Adrien Agreste" as Chat Noir.

In that case Gabriel SERIOUSLY must have been distant (which, to be fair, the drawings properly depicts) because we all know that sometimes Chat Noir and Adrien do NOT seem to be the same person AT AL! It's almost infuriating how much sense that would make in terms of Adriens characterisation and now I hate Gabriel even more :/

And while this thought already legitimately breaks my heart, put it in perspective with the fact that Adrien, when he is turned into his childhood dream of "being what his parents wanted him to be", then straight up turns into the civilian Adrien we have always known

It's jarring to see what Gabriels and Emilies parenting did to their son. That Adrien for so long (successfully actually) tried to embody the vision his parents had/have for him because he doesn't want to disappoint them, but in actuality they pressured him so much that at this point Adrien longed for an outlet where he can literally do the exact opposite.

It shows just how big of a deal being Chat Noir actually IS/WAS for Adrien. Every time he transforms he knows/thinks that his parents wouldn't agree with what he's doing and how he is behaving and that they would be disappointed if they'd ever find out. Think about it, it's messed up that Adrien is aware/thinks that he's actively disappointing his loved ones very time he's Chat Noir and yet transforming into the anonymous hero was for a long time really the only option in Adriens mind to TRULY get to live out any individuality. No wonder he never tried too much as Adrien :/

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But the episode fortunately also show us just how far Adrien has come from this childhood dream and that he's ready to not NEED Chat Noirs outlet to avoid disappointing people anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's happening the most painful way possible and you'll never get me to say that Adrien not needing Chat Noirs savety anymore because he accepted that he cannot avoid disappointing his loved ones since he thinks that Ladybug is just ready to leave him behind and nothing will ever be enough for Gabriel anyway is in any kind of reality a "necessary" step. There is no lesson, no development that cannot be teached in a nice way. MARINETTE literally gets to learn all of her lessons this seasons in ways NOT damaging her, she gets to heal. So no, Adrien getting his first "positive" outlook at the end of the episode by soldering through accepting that he just IS a failure, IS not wanted or needed the way he is and just ISN'T good enough, never has been and never WILL be is in no god damn way "necessary". Especially because it's clearly shown to NOT be true (especially him thinking that Ladybug is perfectly fine with leaving him behind one day) I hate it when people make this heartbreaking step Adrien has to take to somehow move on from his horrible, HORRIBLE situation right now out to be "right" and "just what he needs".

No, what Adriens desperately needs is a solid support system, understanding and patience and the fucking informations on what the hell is going on around him transformed AND detransformed! NOT this cruelty forcing him to literally accept the exact opposite of the truth that he is a failure who isn't enough for everyone he loves so its better for him and everyone to just make peace with it and move on to something else. What the fuck people? How is this something GOOD??

What it perfectly shows though is just how much of a SURVIVOR Adrien is and how he managed to go through his awful life as well as he did so far. Honestly I'll repeat it until the day I die, Adriens emotional resilience is off the damn hooks, but at this point it's also drastically affected by just how MUCH Adrien had to emotionally deal with in his young life without ever actually getting a legit break.

Resilience is the ability to bounce back from damaging or even traumatizing events without much lasting impact. Some people simply CAN do that, which is why I also dislike it when people say it's unrealistic that Adrien is able to cope so well and even quickly move on under his awful circumstances because, buddy, I have a resilience level pretty close to Adriens and already had it when I was around Adriens age or even younger.

But even a resilience on Adrien level can only get you through so much. Bouncing back from so many hurtful events and environments/situations will eventually lead to you one day accepting another hurtful situation to move on from it and bounce back even though it wasn't necessary at all! That's what Adrien is literally doing with Ladybug right now. He's so used to having to accept and bounce back from so many hopeless and painful situations for so long now that he starts to see it everywhere and reacts accordingly.

I don't wanna digress so much again so I will make another post at one point explaining just how massive the ending of "Wishmaker" was and that Marinette is unknowingly LEGITIMATELY loosing Chat Noir to the current situation. Once I've posted it I'll link it HERE.

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Which brings me FINALLY back to the last two topics:

2.3) Switched eye colors and “Perfection”

Because it's weird isn't it? That the drawing is from Adriens pov and yet Emilie somehow is the one family member who has the different eye color (instead of Gabriel). The color scheme connections I just explained make sense when you look at it through Baby Adriens pov.

His mother is wearing the same color as him because they are so close (which normally matching outfits represent) and Gabriel looks like Chat Noir because Adrien later on uses the distance he always felt/feels from his father to recreate his distance between Adrien Agreste and Chat Noir. But why the eyes?

Normally Emilies green eyes are the most important visual key to convey that she and Adrien were/are alike. So with that logic it would mean that, yes, Baby Adrien very much noticed how close he and his mother are (therefore he sees them in matching clothing colors) but he didn't actually saw HIMSELF in her. He saw himself more in GABRIEL.

Which is.. so fascinating to think about. What does that mean for Adrien himself? And how he views his parents and others?

For this we have to remember what Adriens symbol was:

The Star.

As I already said before, Adriens star symbol represents the impossible expectations layed upon him ever since birth, which also reflect themselves in the literal golden cage he is in. It's an awfully huge burden his parents put on him,to basically reach "perfection" for their sake. And yet, like every child would, he still tries to live up to it. But like every human being Adrien of course struggled reaching this "perfection" all his life and its IN the struggle to reach perfection in which he relates the most to other people.

Adrien doesn't see himself as the "perfection" he manages to uphold. Do other people see him as such? Definitely. Ironically Adrien actually manages to uphold his parents ridiculous expectations so well til now that for other people it just seems effortless. They just see him as his accomplishments and turn a blind eye towards his struggle to REACH this perfection that Adrien tries to hide because Adrien was teached that its expected of him to NOT struggle in the first place.

But instead of growing up with the mindset of "Okay that's just how it is in general, EVERYBODY is supposed to strive to improve themselves until they don't struggle with their expectations anymore. Therefore everybody who DOES is either not good enough (yet) or a lazy, talentless slacker who doesn't even TRY." Adrien instead grew incredibly sympathic towards others and their struggles because he KNOWS what that feels like.

So Adrien sees himself as the struggles and mistakes that "hinder" him from finally becoming "good enough", even though he does NOT hold other to the same standards since he knows how much it hurts. He never gave himself the same sympathy as he gave others and he also never entirely let go of this mindset in the first place. Because he uses the mindset more in the way of "Yes people SHOULD strive to become the best version of themselves they can become and good for those who actually MANAGE that, but I'll not condemn those who struggle on their way because I know how hard it is. With support and patience they will one day get there and hopefully so will I."

Meaning the moment anyone shows the sign of legit potential he's not gonna write that person off,unless they either show themselves to be unwilling to get better or hurt other people so bad he draws the line.

THIS is what Adrien relates to: Struggling people who still try to do their best despite their shortcomings. But he only developed to become this sympathic because he also believes that people can ACTUALLY reach "perfection" in the first place.

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THIS is in my opinion actually how Adrien tends to view Ladybug. People say that Adrien puts Ladybug on a pedestal all together and thinks she is 100% perfection, which dehumanizes her. But that just never felt accurate to me, because Adrien is more than aware that Ladybug isn't a flawless person and very much needs support and help.

No, in my opinion Adrien sees Ladybug as one of those people who actually MANAGE to reach perfection through improvement, the right support and sheer talent. In his eyes she IS what he hoped to be, she CAN close the gab he just can't overcome.There is a subtle but very important difference here, but it's the only explanation that makes sense in my opinion on how exactly Adrien views Ladybug as "perfect". Because he certainly DOES but definitely not in the way Marinette views Adrien as perfect. These two dynamics never felt the same and THIS is why.

Unfortunately though, it's exactly when people manage to "reach perfection" in Adriens eyes that thats where they tend to kinda loose him. Not in the sense of him despising perfect people, but simply because he can't RELATE to them anymore.

Adrien ironically becomes almost like the people around him who can't see HIS struggle behind his perfection. Because he feels and sees his own struggles, mistakes and need for help so evidently that when he can't see or feel the same obvious signs of struggle in other "perfect" people he tends to think they have officially reached their peak potential in this regard and don't need support or help anymore. Of course he still has the kindness to always give the "perfect" people his support when he sees that they obviously need it but in general he thinks that they now reached what he can't managed so they are fine.

Thats where a huge chunk of Adriens self-esteem problems steem from. In comparison to these people, who he thinks reached their specific kind of "perfect", he sees himself as worthless and not good enough to reach his perfect and not struggle as well. As long as Adriens struggles with literally anything whatsoever (especially in regards to his responsibilities, their expectations or just straight up things that are important to him) he will forever beat himself up and see himself as lesser than others.

It's especially heartbreaking because Adrien is this close, THIS CLOSE to understanding that this unreachable state of "perfection" doesn't exist and that this way of thinking actually (probably mostly) steems from Gabriels self-entiteled world view that everything has to reach HIS standards and if not they're a pathetic, useless heathen not worth his time and presence. These two may share the same idea of "reaching perfection" as a mindset to judge themselves and other people by, but they honestly couldn't go about it any more different.

Gabriel sees himself and his own standards as ultimate and "perfect" so he sees it as the job of the other people to live up to it. He also won't help others to understand and reach his standards, he just demands it and will also not reward them when they finally do it. For him making the effort of reaching his standards is the default of being a "worthy" person.

Adrien on the other hand sees "Perfection" as the goal to strive forwards to that hangs above everyones head but not everyones life circumstances demand perfection on the same degree and in the same time. Adrien sees perfection much more individually depending on the potential and life somebody has and he relates to and has deep and genuine sympathy for people who can not live up to their potential for some reason. He already views others as worthy people even if they are FAR away from their "perfect" and he's always ready to give more chances and support to help someone on their way. Unlike Gabriel he doesn't actively SET standards for others but he tends to judge HIMSELF by the ones others set (because of his deeply rooted insecurities and self-esteem issues)

These two point of views towards "perfection" basically explain most of their father-son relationship.

Gabriel sees Adrien as

Because his son genuinely manages to uphold every damn expectation Gabriel puts on him and he demands that Adrien continues to do so until Gabriel managed to suffocate even the tiniest "imperfection" out Adrien with an iron fist. THIS is what normally makes Adrien the ideal son and worth loving in Gabriels eyes: how much Adrien can embody Gabriels standard of "perfection".

In contrast to that it's literally so god damn funny (and DEPRESSING) that Adrien is like "look, I know the man's a jackass but he's my father and I still love him and want him in my life. I know that Father has the potential to become a much better version of himself again with the right support and patience, we only need to GET there together."

I know you may ask why the HELL I just digressed so much again when I actually wanted to talk about why Baby Adrien sees himself more in Gabriel than Emilie in the childhood drawing, even though we know the narrative always suggests the opposite.

To that I say, first of all: Welcome to my Familyagrestefanblog, get used to it.

But most importantly: everything I just said is EXACTLY the reason why Baby Adrien sees himself more in his father despite Gabriel being distant and quite different from his son (and Emilie being RIGHT THERE for Adrien to relate to)

The expectations and pressure put on Adrien had him struggling to feel "good enough" so incredibly early on in his life, but already back then was Adrien able to pick up the same vibes of struggling in others to relate to as he does now. That's also probably where this sympathetic instinct of Adrien took roots for the first time and then developed: with his father.

Adrien has always seen Gabriel as a man who genuinely struggles with his role as a father but still tries in his own way.

That's literally what we saw almost the entirety of s1-s3, how Adrien deals with the questionable parenting style Gabriel deems appropriate for the situation (putting aside the entire Hawkmoth thing that's not what this is about).

So when we see how Baby Adrien sees more of himself in his father than his mother than that's because Adrien related to Gabriels obvious struggle with handling Fatherhood. Because that was Gabriels ONE JOB in Baby Adriens eyes (because that's all that matters for a baby, duh), just like he himself had the ONE JOB to become his parents perfect star. Emilie too only had one job in Baby Adriens eyes but unlike with himself and Gabriel Adrien saw his mother not struggling at all with her motherhood, forming a strong bond with her son right away with loads of affection and closeness.

For Adrien EMILIE was the only one of the three of them who actually managed to uphold the expectations her job as his mother demanded of her. She reached this specific kind of "perfection" in his eyes which then ironically made her LESS relatable to him in this regard. His mother wasn't a failure, but he knew that he (or so he thinks) and his father were failing their jobs despite trying and THIS is why Gabriel has Adriens green eyes in the drawing and Emilie the eye color that alienates her from her family the way it normally does for Gabriel.

Adrien SHOULD see himself in Emilie (the way these two are visually present in the actual "reality" of the show) but he doesn't. He grew up so overwhelmed that he simply got used to seeing himself in and relating to Gabriels incompetence as a parent and then undeservedly projected that back onto himself and his own efforts.

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Alright, that's all I have for now. Sorry for the abrupt ending I legitimately don't know how to wrap this up x3 Again it's primarily thought exercise so its really difficult to find a beginning, a logical order to present this big picture with and an ending for all these points.

I'm really excited to read your takes on all of this, who knows what we amazing theories we can come up with this time? :D

[redrobin-detective]

Info dumping and other things to do with your mouth

Conner was on a date with Robin. Tim. His best friend and maybe now boyfriend? It was all kind of unclear. Everything had happened so fast; realizing mid mission he was in love with Tim, the awkward but amicable breakup with Cassie, sorta kinda confessing one night and Tim agreeing to go out with him. 

“What flavor do you want, Kon?” He heard Tim ask and Conner blinked away from the wall where he’d been staring. Tim had a concerned, hesitant little smile on his face. “Froyo, what do you want?”

He ended up with a chocolate vanilla swirl with Oreos while Tim made some unholy combination of flavors that had to be illegal somewhere. It had been a good date, as the last two had been. They’d done a drive through movie the first time, went to a fancy, expensive restaurant in Gotham on the second and now were strolling down the streets of San Fran after a light dinner. It had been fun even if it felt more like a hang out session than a date.

“Hey, lets finish these on the top of the pyramid,” Tim said suddenly with the neon pink plastic spoon in his mouth as they rounded the corner to the transamerica pyramid building. “Its a Saturday night and I think if I don’t brood on some precarious ledge I’ll go insane.”

“I guess it’ll have to do since there aren’t any gargoyles around,” Kon half joked as he and Tim ducked into the nearest empty alley. “Ready to ride Air Superboy?” he joked as he swept Tim off his feet. It looked so much more romantic in the movies but Tim was totally practical about the whole thing, not leaning to close and holding onto their treats instead.

 Cassie and Bart had been hounding him after every date about how it’d gone, if he’d made it to first base yet. What was Kon supposed to tell them? That he laughed until he cried when hanging out with Tim, that he felt safe and happy and free to be utterly himself with the other, that just being able look and talk to Tim was enough to make his pulse jump. But Tim never really acted any different than they did any other time. 

Tim was his best bro in the whole wide world but these dates made Kon wonder if Tim actually like-liked him the way Kon did him. Maybe this was just another doomed relationship and he should back off before things got really weird. He could live without Tim Drake as his boyfriend but not as his best friend.

“Nice view,” he mumbled to himself as he deposited Tim at the top of the pyramid. His eyes were firmly trained on the side of his friend’s head.

“Yeah,” Tim sighed, handing Kon back his treat. “This has been real fun, Kon. Thanks for inviting me out.” Tim said evenly, as he took another bite and slurped down a gummy worm. “We should hang out like this more often.” 

“Yeah, hang out,” Conner said, staring down at his partially melted yogurt. Kon had planned for this, understood that Tim probably wasn’t into him like that. But there were worse places to be than beside his Robin who still had his back no matter what. “So got any good cases you’re working in Gotham? I haven’t heard of any crazy death traps lately, you must be bored.”

“Yeah I guess even super criminals need a break too,” Tim said with an eye roll. “But I have been using the extra time to dig into some cold cases, the real tough ones that B uses for training and I think I’ve made some headway on this really wild one from 1927 that-”

Kon had finished his yogurt by the time Tim laid out the details of the case. The sun set fully and the streetlights far below flickered on as Tim dove into his theories. It was approaching Kon’s designated curfew time as Tim excitedly explained his breakthrough he’d had the other night after his second pot of coffee. He knew how Tim got when he was worked up, knew he should stop Tim before it got any later and they both got in trouble. But he couldn’t.

The Superboy of old would’ve told Rob to shut up ages ago but now he couldn’t get enough. Tim was waving his colored spoon around like a conductor leading the orchestra at a frantic pace. His dessert lay untouched since taking a bite would’ve meant he’d need to stop talking. His eyes were bright, his cheeks pink with excitement and he exuded a comfortable energy talking about the things that interested him. And Kon was interested too, Tim’s brains never failed to impress him but watching Tim just being Tim made Conner feel really, stupidly in love.

“Sorry,” he blinked and saw Tim frowning, his excitement dimming. “I didn’t mean to talk your ear off. It’s getting late we should head back.”

“No, no!” Conner exclaimed, “no I want to hear the rest, about how the crooked judge ignored the new evidence and the murderer being spotted on the farm not long after.”

“So you were listening,” Tim teased but bit his lip and looked away. “I thought I was boring you.” Tim bit his lip. “You looked kinda spacey there for a minute.”

“No, man, I want to hear it. I just-” how did Kon explain he got distracted by a bit of hair dangling in Tim’s eye and how badly he wanted to brush it aside. About how soft his lips looked as he spoke in detail about his passions. Those weren’t bro feeling and while Robin may have been able to lie with the best of them, honesty had always been more of Superboy’s thing. “I was thinking of how much I wanted to kiss you.”

“Oh, you can, if you want,” Tim shrugged and Kon thought his heart would stop. “This is a date after all, we probably should’ve done that earlier huh?” He leaned a bit into Conner’s space who didn’t hesitate to close the gap between them. 

Their first kiss was strange, Kon too nervous and Tim too shy. The press of warm lips, hot breath on his cheek, the comfort of closeness. Kon could have stayed that way forever. They pulled back, one of Kon’s hands reaching up to cup Tim’s face. The city below them could have blown up and Kon would only have eyes for his Robin.

“So, circling back to the farm. You’re right to pick up that Birmingham went there 3 days after the first murder was reported but he was was spotted there after the fourth and fifth murders too. I think he was-” Tim continued, launching right back into his tirade. Kon huffed a little laugh, pulling back his hand but scooting a little closer to Tim as he rattled off theory after theory. Tim was just wrapping up when Bat Wayne called him. They were officially late.

“Sorry B,” Tim grimaced, “I started talking about the Babysitter Murders of ‘27 and lost track of time. Kon’s taking me back to the tower now and I’ll zeta back to the Cave. 20 minutes tops.” He hung up and gave Conner an embarrassed pout.

“You should’ve stopped me, we’re both gonna be in trouble now,” he held out his arms and Kon happily scooped him up again. 

“I like hearing you talk,” Kon grinned back as he flew them back to Titan Towers. And if he took the long, slow scenic route, well, they were late anyway. They made small talk flying back when Tim yelped out of nowhere.

“We kissed!”

“Yeah, we did,” Kon snorted.

“That was our first kiss!” Tim exclaimed again, turning to Kon with wide eyes.

“Sure was.”

“I was talking about a 90 year old murder mystery, had my first kiss with you,” Tim groaned and hid his face in his hands. “And then went back to talking about the mystery without acknowledging it.”

“It was really cool what you found though, you should submit an anonymous tip and see if your theory is true.”

“I am SO sorry, Kon,” Tim said now turning his face to hide in Conner’s shoulder. It fit there perfectly. “I didn’t process it until now and that’s so rude of me and I’ve probably been giving mixed signals this whole time because I’m not, I’m not good at this. Steph used to rag on me all the time, said I had the romance of a rock and-”

“Tim, it’s fine,” Kon laughed just in time to land them on the roof of the tower. He set his bird down and took his hands. “I don’t like you cause you’re some Casanoda or whatever but because you’re you, weird obsession with true crime and all.”

“It’s Casanova,” Tim grumbled, looking down at his shoes before shyly peeking up through his bangs. “Still, I’m sorry can we um, have a do over?”

“I don’t know,” Kon said, already leaning down, “the first one was pretty special. Think you can top it?” He did actually and Kon felt like he could fight off a thousand over protective Batmans. Would every kiss get better and better like this? He couldn’t wait to find out.

“I’ll call you,” Tim said a little breathlessly. “We should go out again next time we’re free, I want to hear what you’re up to.”

“Yeah okay, just keep me up to date with that case. I’m invested now, I want to know what happens.” Kon said, floating up and away from Tim, ready to fly home and beg Ma for forgiveness. 

“Maybe I’m a little invested too,” Tim smiled, small and sweet. “See you later, Kon.” That said, Tim opened the door leading into the tower and back to Gotham. 

Kon’s heart was doing stupid fluttery things that had nothing to do with the butterflies also in his stomach. Best date night ever. He let out a cheerful whoop, doing a few loop de loops in the air before speeding back to Kansas. And if Tim Drake’s excited face in his mind put a little extra oomph into his flight, well, no one had to know but him. 

[blazingphantom]

OKAY WENDELL AND WILD THEORY TIMEE!! (Centered around Father Best) update: IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED THE PURPLE PRIEST IS FATHER BESTS!!!!! WTF okay, but seriously. we're all familiar with the trailer right? OK, so i have this theory AHEM in the trailer, we got this ugly ass blonde lady whacking father best with a metal golf club.

he obviously DIES- cos mans like 70 theres no way an old man would survive a whack to the skull. BUT later in the trailer, we get Wendell and Wild in their human guises pushing out a coffin from the ground- that COULD belong to father best THEN WE GET THIS IMAGE

AND THIS

THIS PRIEST GUY- HAS TO BE FATHER BEST- his ears are the same, mouth structure, ECT- just in different clothes probably for a burial. like he looks DEAD. he be standing behind Wendell and Wild- doing that weird.. hand thing whatever it is. BUT LIKE- what if he's mind controlling the bros to go attack the blonde lady? because he WANTS revenge (Suddenly remembered they're called the Klaxxons evil married couple who wants to turn Rustbank into a prison, and pressure Father Bests ect. very bad people)

LIKE DUDE- ISTG AM I ONTO SOMETHING? THIS THOUGHT JUST CAME TO ME AND I CAN'T STOP THINKING BOUT IT

like this is clearly mind control bro- their usual eye color is black, green gas(??) comes from Wild's mouth and Wendell's body- and they make a pained grunt(??) or,, just a noise in general we all heard in that moment from the trailer BUT earlier in the trailer- mind controlled(?) Wendell and Wild corner the possible priest possible Father Best on stairs, EITHER his plan backfired- or the bros are just too far gone and are gonna harm him too like, they're demons- but they clearly just mischievous. but i feel like they won't willfully and intentionally murder/physically harm someone so i hereby decree, this is a mind control sequence but until the movie comes out, i stand by this