#church of the force

[jazin95]

The Life of Hirsi San Tekka: The Last Great Imperial Lady - Nabbooan Childhood (on Wattpad) https://www.wattpad.com/1337736398-the-life-of-hirsi-san-tekka-the-last-great?utm_source=web&utm_medium=tumblr&utm_content=share_reading&wp_uname=kraussjane95&wp_originator=ux8n9QbfpeMdZq6xH3%2FtaunvKybx9BcxzcqaIKNuIiZHonLyvgByzHDsoAm1si1rAIsh1saThC%2F%2FHhxqkaP9OQkRe9y69sggaYleDYy8%2Fvhgv7qjYCK%2FZwhFG%2BYCyLYY Have you ever wanted a fictional biography of an original fan-made character from Star Wars ... well ... this is that.

[temeyes]

im asking the important questions here, shut up!!

[goddessangels-world]

[auxxrat]

so sick and tired of the “jedi are an evil and abusive cult that steals children” as if half the reason they weren’t protecting these children is bc sith were out killing them or TURNING THEM INTO SITH. they weren’t even STEALING children to begin with I thought we all knew that was Palpatine’s game not Yoda’s.

[2000s-angell]

[misstressjordanjessi]

[stagefoureddiediaz]

The Helena diaz of it all has me fascinated. I’ve said for a long while that Eddie’s real issues are his mommy issues and this episode just cemented for me that we’re gonna explore that and deal with it.

Because it’s Helena who forced Eddie to grow up to fast - because her husband wasn’t around much - so she pushed Eddie into de facto parent and husband role ls - selfishly filling her needs and ignoring the damage it was doing to her son (it is a form of abuse in my book).

Eddie then had the audacity to fall in love with and marry Shannon and get her pregnant. It’s why Helena was always so off with Shannon - she was punishing her. She is also punishing Eddie for all of this and his refusal to return to El Paso only cemented further her bitterness and resentment.

Now she does have Ramon back she doesn’t need Eddie any longer to fill that role so she is still punishing him and part of that is tied into her glee over now getting to parent Christopher - something she has always been intent on doing the doppelgänger just gave her the opportunity- as well as allowing her to further punish her son and his love of Shannon.

Her barbed comments about building a pool were all about showing what she can provide Christopher - how she is parenting him better than Eddie - it’s part of her mind games - making Eddie feel like more of a failure as a parent to his son.

The reality of course is that the reverse is true - Helena’s parenting is all superficial, flash and showy - it isn’t the hard day to day parenting when things get tough and you have to be the bad guy. While Eddie has made mistakes, there is nothing superficial, flash, or showy about his parenting. It’s why bucks comments about Eddie being a great dad are so important.

Eddie feel like a failure right now and that he is entirely to blame for everything. But in reality, while he does bear a bit of the responsibility, the truth of the matter is that he needs to learn and deal with the fact that all of it actually stems from Helena and her abuse of her young son - Shannon never stood a chance just like Eddie never has.

[delopsia]

Lew stills from the new Salem's Lot trailer 🦇

[crazyexmormon]

i actually think ppl dealing with religious trauma by having an edgy atheist phase is fine. I actually think maybe the kid who makes sorta cringey jokes at the expense of a cult they're trapped in should be allowed to do that. Yes I roll my eyes when I see people calling it "the book of moron" but I also remember being fourteen and seeing someone do that and how incredibly powerful it felt so I think maybe it being a bit cringe in retrospect is fine.

[notherpuppet]

Curious on your thoughts on radiobelle? While personally I'm not crazy into it, it always seemed to get more hate than it deserves.

I get where people are coming from as someone who prefers the paternal/mentor relationship they potentially have, but I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be sometimes. Even with dad beat dad considering Al's parts were probably only partly honest at best.

Also, just to piggy back, any Charlie ships you like outside of Chaggie?

It's not for me but I am not a hater! Many fans of that ship churn out some of the most beautiful art! Really skilled fandom out there, it's crazy.

I personally prefer their parental/mentor relationship because Alastor gives such queer uncle energy to me

(IS IT JUST ME??? LIKE IDK, i have a great relationship with my queer uncle).

i also really love the idea of there being drama between Alastor and Charlie's parents haha, like messy soap opera fanfic energy hehe

also i'm maybe too much of a chaggie stan to really appreciate any other charlie or vaggie ships lolll. i loooove charlie and vaggie together.

[morsmortish]

barty and evan fake-proposing to each other in bars to get free drinks, until one day they get too drunk and end up overcommitting to the “bit”, which leads to them accidentally eloping in the shitty church next door with the bartender as a witness.

they’re still “just friends”, and they have their first kiss together at their wedding ceremony.

[grif-hawaiian-rolls]

sometimes u just get so filled w thoughts about a pair of characters u gotta just go bonkers ya know

[wantonwinnie]

The Battle of Jedha update (long + spoilers):

There's a lot from the drama so I might not be able to cover it all, but I'll try my best.

The Convocation, which I explained in the original answer, was confirmed to be newly-created by this time period (382 BBY). I don't know if that means the Jedi were in control previously, but the comics makes that regime seem like a long time ago. The status of the Convocation is unclear, and the battle on Jedha in this audio drama was not only related to religious conflict. Eiram and E'ronoh were once again baited into war, but there was also significant rioting in the streets against the Convocation. Despite instigation from the Path of the Open Hand, it seems a substantial portion of the sects have anti-Convocation sentiments already.

Jedha is officially a member of the Republic, and has a committee of Republic representatives that oversee the moon's affairs. The committee's responsibilities are probably similar to that of other worlds; in this drama, the committee appoints a mediator to and helps smooth out the peace talks (which go tragically wrong, go figure). Being a member world is relevant by the end of the story when Jedi and Republic peacekeeper reinforcements arrive to quell the carnage in the streets, which they would not have been able to do on a neutral planet (outside the Republic's jurisdiction).

The Season of Light is a period every year celebrated by the Jedi, though many groups celebrate around the same time for one reason or another, per Jedi Silandra Sho. Ch. 3 (08:38). It supposed to be "a time of spiritual reflection, a time to look inward to consider one's place within the galaxy," per Sho. Ch. 5 (43:29).

The last remaining Jedi statue (seen in R1) is called "The Protector." According to Mesook (one of the two guardians with major roles), "the statue is one of the oldest images of a Jedi anywhere in the galaxy, if not the oldest." Ch. 3 (18:53). They characterize it as a reminder to the people of Jedha that they are "always protected." Ch. 3 (19:02). At the end of the drama, that statue falls, which is pretty surprising... when I watched R1 I kinda assumed the statues fell during TCW or at the beginning of the formal Empire.

Some of the drama is focused on the Church of the Force. There's this droid called P3; its owner, Keth Serapath, is a member of the Church. He says the droid isn't a Church droid, but its vocoder is from an old processional droid decommissioned by the Church, so it can "only speak in epithets derived from the processional droid's limited vocabulator." Ch. 5 (44:10). There are many quotes from P3 throughout the book that seem to speak to Church wisdom, but this may only be a recombining of words to fit the context of the droid's limited experiences. It would be difficult to parse through them all, but my impressions are that the Church shares a lot of beliefs with the Jedi from a non-force user perspective – acceptance of death, confronting fear, controlling ego, etc. Of note is that the San Tekka family have explicit ties to the Church by this point (this might be a relevant in The Force Awakens, I don't remember).

The Guardians of the Whills generally only protect the Temple of Kyber, but in this drama they are given special permission to protect the peace proceedings. They participate in the battle in the streets and take heavy losses by the end.

The Kyber Mirrors, inside the Dome of Deliverance, are a really important place for insight. According to Sho, they are "an opportunity for quiet reflection. Sometimes the mirrors show you nothing but your own face staring back at you. Other times, I'm told, they reveal inner truths – glimpses of the past or future, of possibilities still being written in the force. [...] The point of the mirrors is to show you what you need to see, not what you want to see." Ch. 4 (33:00). It’s unknown what Jedi Creighton Sun saw in the mirrors, but Sho saw an image of her former Padawan who died, and she was able to grieve and let go of her attachment to them.

The Path of the Open Hand, a temporary sect during the drama seeking a place of the Convocation, both doesn't get a spot and leaves the planet by the end.

The Brothers of the Ninth Door at this point are a sect on the planet. They are not on the Convocation and are some form of dark side users, though this is only confirmed by the end. Both the Path and the Brothers are involved in creating the circumstances leading to conflict. The Brothers' main power is to shape-shift, deceptively shifting blame for atrocities to other groups. But it’s in a strange way – they seem to take the form of whatever person/group another wants to see (a contrast to the Kyber Mirrors, eh?). E.g., people who hate the Jedi will see a Jedi as the perpetrator, the Path, another sect, Eiram or E'ronoh, etc. Based on Sho confronting them and confirming their involvement in the attacks, it’s unclear whether they would still be around by TCW.

Hope this was interesting and informative!

Hello there, I have not read the High Republic Phase II and I know it's not finished yet, but I've been a fan and enthusiast of Jedha since Rogue One and I heard that "The High Republic" had since expanded on the lore of the place by a whole lot.

I'm asking because I'm working on a TCW canon-divergent story where Ahsoka visits Jedha alongside the Martez sisters (to smuggle kyber crystals, that is) where they also meet Chirrut + Baze and I want to see whether I could add some of the new info from "The High Republic" for Jedha's worldbuilding.

For example (just from checking Wookieepedia), there's the Convocation of the Force where the major religions on Jedha have a representative, the Church of the Force now being a legit active and openly-practiced religion instead of the underground religious organization that started during the Galactic Empire era, so on and so forth.

I would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on Jedha as a whole, its religious organizations and its political background, because Wookieepedia could only tell so much. No pressure tho.

Have a nice day ahead and May the Force of Others be with you. :)

Thanks for the questions! Because you’re a big fan of Jedha lore (I also enjoy it), I highly recommend reading the first comic issues for THR Phase II if you have the time. You don't need to read any novels beforehand, and the issues so far all take place on - and are about - Jedha. If you're up for a novel, Path of Deceit explores the Path of the Open Hand's tenants and how that interacts with that of the Jedi. If not, continue below (I will be sharing some spoilers for the comics).

First, I'll go over the lore I learned from the comics. At a high level, Jedha (also called "The Pilgrim Moon" or "The Kyber Heart") is the bustling and diverse pilgrimage site referenced in R1. Jedha was once governed by the Jedi thousands of years ago. Of four Jedi statues built during that time, only one remains upright in the desert by 382 bby, according to Jedi Oliviah. By then, the Jedi "are just one group among many" in the city, and they "aren't always the most welcome" there, as Padawan Matty describes.

The Convocation's mission, according to Matty, is to open a dialogue between the faiths and prevent/mitigate religious conflict. Oliviah describes its purpose as "an advisory body designed to promote understanding between the various religious groups on Jedha ... a place for deliberation and debate ... where all are welcome." By 382 bby, conflict is seemingly coming to a head, based on the street fight, stolen artifacts (a major plot point in Path of Deceit), and outright violence within the Convocation's proceedings.

Various faiths devoted to the Force are present there, but not all are a part of the Convocation (this is a source of conflict). Some certainly are, but others avoid it, seemingly based on their position that the other faiths are so flawed in their understanding of the Force that there is no point to dialogue. For example, one of the Truthsayers of the Force believes "the Convocation has no authority here and no right to foisting their so-called celebration on us" (referring to the Festival of Balance).

Reverent sites include the Temple of the Kyber (home to ~2300 "works of sacred art"), Fountains of Plenty, Shrine of Sarrav, Temple of the Whills, and the Convocation Chambers. There are also major Force artifacts, including the Screen of the Second Sight (stolen from the Shrine).

Identified faiths/factions include:

Jedi

Bpfasshi Mystics (depicted as a scam artist)

Truthsayers of Bpfasshi

Followers of the Black Eye

Sorcerers of Tund (force users?)

Lonto

Guardians of the Whills

Disciples of the Whills

Fallanassi

Yacombe (force users)

Matukai

Church of the Force

Path of the Open Hand

There are some more specifics on some of the faiths, which I'm happy to describe, if you're interested. There's generally a lot still to be explained (we will have to wait for more comic issues and The Battle of Jedha on Jan. 3), but that's what I could glean so far. Without more info, I can't tell you exactly what the holy city looks like by The Clone Wars, but it doesn't seem like the Convocation is going to be around much longer if the fighting keeps up.

For my thoughts, I think Jedha is a fantastic location for further worldbuilding, and that's where THR is focusing for Phase II. It continues the long expansion of new faiths of the Force, which first included in canon (to my knowledge) the Nightsisters and Church of the Force. I think the widespread presence of the Jedi in the galaxy for thousands of years likely spawned these faiths (it’s much easier to believe in something when you can witness its majesty). Jedha seems to be the primary place for the convergence of these various faiths given that it has a strong connection to the Force and has the Convocation. It’s really interesting to see a holy location like this considering that most places in past media have just been Jedi temples or sites unknown to the public (also cool!).

Jedha is really important to the Jedi – that much is clear. Many Jedi seem to make the pilgrimage or think about doing so at this time; they have an active representative on the Convocation; they protect Force artifacts; and they generally seem to care about people's views on the Force. Moreover, I think the Jedi understand that Jedha is a confluence of passionate faiths, so conflict may brew without a watchful eye. There hasn't been much indication that the Republic cares much about Jedha, but that may change.

I'm predisposed to liking the Jedi's perspective on the Force over others, but I appreciate the other perspectives we've gotten so far. Some faiths believe non-use of the Force is imperative; others think the Convocation is silly; others believe the Force should be used "neutrally" (whatever that means); others are staunch advocates of the light side. I've always liked the Jedi because they aim to serve the galaxy by protecting life - and sometimes that necessarily means fighting against evil to preserve it. While I don't think the Force only speaks to the Jedi, other faiths also need protection to practice their beliefs - and without the Jedi, who seem to be the best at it, faith in the Force would (and does) die.

I also tend to like the Jedi because of my personal background. I've never been a religious person in the sense that I believe in a higher power, an afterlife, or in the need to attend a church. My main faith is in my moral convictions. I think that mortal people - and their collective material well-being - matter more than anything. I see in the Jedi beings who fight for their moral convictions, too, albeit with a religious bent (but who wouldn't be religious when you can use the Force, am I right?).

Anyway, I'm really excited to see more about Jedha's history and culture in future stories. It’s been a big part of Phase II and has made it all the better.

[zu-is-here]

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[royalarchivist]

Fit: You know... There's a reason I'm a loner, that I'm a nomad, that I go from place to place. 'Cuz everywhere I go, people die. Fit: I'm just- I'm a walking bad omen.

I know Fit probably said this as a joke and it wasn't meant to be that deep, but I've got a shovel and I'm ready to dig, because this comment fits his QSMP cubito way too well.

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Fit: I had nothing to do with any of this! I had nothing to do with any of this! [He notices the Allays trapped in a room and gasps] Ohhh– C'mon, get out of here– You're gonna burn to death! Get out of here.

Fit: This is why I don't walk into churches. This is why I don't walk into churches, for this reason. You know– 'cuz it- it would just burn down. It would just burn down if I walked right in. This is what happens. I'm an unholy man.

[The sound of villagers dying]

Fit: Oh yeah, they're all dead. They're f- they're doomed. They are DOOMED.

Dono: You showed up and the mansion burned itself down, made a crack about never walking into churches, then thunder happened? Your manifestation skills are too damn high dude.

Fit: You know– ok, I'm a little cursed. I'm a little cursed, as you can clearly see. You know... There's a reason I'm a loner, in Minecraft, that I'm a nomad, that I go from place to place. 'Cuz everywhere I go, people die. Ehh... you know? I'm just- I'm a walking bad omen. I'm a walking bad omen. Look at this sht. It's- it- ugh...

Fit: These things happen.

[high-voltage-rat]

something I do appreciate about red vs blue is its particular brand of “came back wrong”. you were brought back, but you’re just a memory of the person you’re supposed to be. you’re just the expectations of them. you’re just the pieces everyone else saw and remembered. you’re tough like the original, but you’ll always fail no matter how tough you are, because the original failed, too. you’ve got a personality like the original, but it’s not quite right because you didn’t actually live the life they did. there’s this person you love- who you would kill or suffer or die for- but you don’t know why, you just know you’re supposed to be together because that’s what you were made for.