#chinese incel

[gacha-incels]

I’ve been looking to find a translation/overview of this article for some time as a more expansive look into East Asian (specifically Chinese in this case) male gacha consumers views on female and male characters in these games and what they represent. this was touched upon a bit in this post from January and also in the “gacha design” post. I think there is still some confusion with westerners playing these games thinking the female characters are specifically designed for women and the male characters for men, because with more western games (and media) you will typically get the grizzled male protag look and anything with a female MC is ridiculed by male gamers as pandering/“woke”/“SJW”/etc, take your pick bc this shit all means the same thing. but typically in gacha an all-female cast has been made to appeal to male consumers, and an all male cast will pander to women. Just look at something like NIKKE (all female cast) VS Ensemble Stars (all male). when there is a male character who is extremely popular with female players and has obviously been designed for that demographic, this is when you will see the explosive violent anger from misogynist male fans like what happened with the Genshin Impact character Wanderer. This happened with the Korean incels and the character Lyney, the Honkai Star Rail male characters who have boob windows like Aventurine also catch their ire for being sexualized in a similar way to the female designs. they hate any male character that appeals to women and/or “looks gay”, you can find plenty of western players speaking about the Genshin male characters like this as well. these groups tend to be extremely misogynistic and homophobic (we saw this with their comments during their disastrous “blimp protest”) but no surprise there I’m sure. because Genshin is a very popular mixed sex gacha that consistently tops charts, it’s believed by these men to be the reason why newer gacha games have both male and female characters instead of solely female, and they go so far as to call this effect (among other things) the “genshinification” of gacha games. I think this is important to learn about if you want to understand why a particular demographic of men play these games and why they react in certain ways to specific characters.

this article looks into the male Chinese gacha player phenomenon essentially called something like “Don’t play if there are men”, referring to mixed sex gacha games. It begins by explaining how the “movement” really started speaking out aggressively when Genshin Impact had back to back to back limited male 5-star releases for multiple patches in a row.

you can trudge along with a clunky MTL of the entire thing (I’ve just posted the beginning here) but I’ve found 2 comments in english that speak about this article-

[brofightiscancelled]

ok kind of an insane ask so feel free to ignore but would you be able to translate "友達バリア" by deco*27? i can't find any translations online and i wanna see if i'm right about the song kind of fitting the matsus... it's also a banger imo

- vocamatsu anon

omg.... tbh i have a feeling deco will make a video for this one which means we'll get an official english translation of it, rendering this completely redundant, but i'm really cheesed to have been asked, so i gave it a shot for you anyways <3

Friend-zoned, love fire, sparks flying HIBANA We're ready, set to lock horns, love's ultimate showdown I'm outmatched- but it's not over yet! I won't let this end! With a dazzling, never-give-up attitude, I'll break through your defenses!

The despair of never getting anything more of this Your behavior, nor what's going on in your head- I can't read it at all! I can't help but envy the kindness you radiate Omnidirectional compatibility- it's just not for me

Carefully-picked down-played words The outcome: A bloody heart True feelings double-crossed by embarrassment; how frustrating, I'm changing sides But that won't fill up my heart What I want is nothing more than to be by your side If you've got something to say, then say it- 'til I defeat you, that is! 3, 2, 1!

Friend-zoned, love fire, sparks flying HIBANA We're ready, set to lock horns, love's ultimate showdown I'm outmatched- but it's not over yet! I won't let this end! With a dazzling, never-give-up attitude, I'll break through your defenses!

I want you to like me! I want you to like me! Friend-zoned, love fire, hey, say "I give up"! With a dazzling, never-give-up attitude, I'll break through your defenses!

Fun things, good feelings- without you, they have no taste at all Sadness, jealousy- if they're cuz of you, then I don't mind them Let's throw down, bro! Better to regret doing it, than not doing it at all! A feeling like I won't need any special moves, YEAH I'm sure everything will be OKAY With an endless supply of love, you're undefeated, AYE Play dead, BYE BYE I'll be the one to throw the first punch

Friend-zoned, love fire, sparks flying HIBANA We're ready, set to lock horns, love's ultimate showdown The lonely and timid me is already no more! With a dazzling, blazing flair, I'll burn through your defenses!

Do you like me yet? Do you like me yet? Friend-zoned, love fire, now, let's immerse ourselves in love! With a dazzling, blazing flair, a never-ending HAO sweetener battle!

Do you like me yet? Do you like me yet? Friend-zoned, love fire, now, let's immerse ourselves in love! With a dazzling, blazing flair, a never-ending HAO sweetener battle!

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my notes:

my overall interpretation of this song is "I'm trying to break through the friend zone (friendship barrier) so that you like me instead of thinking of me as a friend", so any vagueness in translation went in that direction

The use of "lock horns" in the official translation snippet + the HAO motifs give me the mental image of like, a hand-to-hand kung fu battle, so I leaned towards that imagery whenever there was vagueness (as opposed to like, a military campaign, for example)

deco's official english translations tend to be very liberal, so i tried to keep my translation a little more literal

[justaboutsnapped]

jesus fucking christ i can’t do this anymore

[piedbirb]

i was gonna pull for lyney anyways because cute boy in a corset and stockings and garterbelt is peak 👌👌👌 but knowing his design is pissing off all the incels in the korean side of the fanbase is making me need him even more lmao

[pinkautist]

looking at what chinese male fans are doing to chinese games and going, "hm! that's Not Great!"

[fuckyeahchinesefashion]

chinese rappers write rap songs to cuss out and humiliate female players of chinese otome game

*otome game is story-based romance video game targeted towards women with a female protagonist as the player character

A few chinese rappers who are popular in incel community started picking on female players, and they uploaded the raps on NetEase Music, the largest music platform in China. The game these rappers started out targeting was Love and Deepspace. They mock and humiliate the main characters and players as far as they can. The players were furious, both sides went to war, the incel group joined in, the battle intensified, there were many top trendings on weibo, douyin, xiaohongshu etc. and the rappers achieved their hype and were very pleased with themselves. (Other normal rappers didn't participate.）The war quickly spread to other popular otome games aka yiyou乙游 companies in chinese. All chinese otome games and players are cyber bullied by these rappers and incels.

Then suddenly an official account of a relatively not-so-famous-but-also-has-valid-userbase otome game For all time/Lovebrush Chronicles (时空中的绘旅人, HLR, nickname little conch meat) posted: I accidentally heard the rap, it's too gross, all taken down now.

Then cnetizens found that, NetEase Music, the largest music platform in China, removed all of the above rappers' works lol. Turns out HLR is developed by NetEase Games, the online games division of NetEase, one of China's Internet giants like Tecent. And the rappers legitimately get canceled and blocked forever by NetEase Music.

Cnetizens and players comments:

Most chinese otome games made their attitude clear: protect, support and stand with the players

[duncebento]

did you know that in chinese incels dont call it roast beef pussy they call it wood ear pussy like the mushroom

[bonkshoo]

INCEL

erm actually these are JAPANESE not chinese!

[mommymio]

worst things ever if you post/do/say/like any of these things you're going to hell and i hate you

hatsune miku most yaoi related content with a minor exception of certain chainsaw man fanarts to a low extent kuromi sanrio fans any and every vocaloid except teto any and every project sekai character/song/whatever honkai star rail content genshin fans people who enjoy crack ships with a minor exception of certain wlw rarepairs to a low extent people who enjoy dunkin donuts hashbrowns people who have been on/like hot air balloons toko haters gay men under 5'5 straight men under 5'5 people who don't know their vowels people who have never watched a single episode of nichijou people who make bad fanart people who draw komaru naegi from UDG to look overweight people who like my reposts almost any and every post of a danganronpa man most togafuka shippers all togafuka fanart anyone who has over 4 posts relating to dandadan anyone who has over 4 fanarts with 3 men in them (3 men per each fanart) people who think onions taste good people who like aoi asahina people who like the incel tetralogy animes (komi cant communicate, miss nagato, my dress up darling and the dugoi segoi shirt girl) people who have ever seen/drawn/thought about azumanga daioh r34 with a very thin exception for miss sakai, that being, if you have viewed more than 5 1/2 lewd images of miss sakai go to hell but anything under that is fine people who pefer pizza over burgers if you drink orange juice/lemonade/etc with pulp. udg haters people who like bikes, roller skates, skateboards, scooters, terosterone etc people who like ema skye from ace attorney people who think sub is better than dub koreaboos/weaboos

ALIEN STAGE FANS!!

people who call rednote by its chinese name (unless ur chinesse) people who feel confident enough to leave the house in unique clothes people who have a favorite character who died (sucks to suck) i will add to this later but this is everything off the top of my head

[jade-len]

so today i tricked my very straight male friend into reading svsss.

okay look, i wasn't planning to at first and it's not like it was completely my fault. he wanted to read it!

i was showing him how badly they fucked up mu qingfang in the donghua by comparing it to the english novel design (he said that mu qingfang went from looking like a soft dilf to a predator registered on the epstein island list). and then, i showed him how different some of the other character designs were like gongyi xiao's ("he looks like he'd be a genshin character" -friend, to eng novel design) and luo binghe's ("lowkey, he kinda gives airbender vibes" -friend, to bunhe eng novel design)

so that was all i was gonna show him, nothing else. but after seeing them, he goes, "these designs actually look hella cool. what's the book called?"

now, do i:

A. tell him the name, eventually revealing that it's a danmei when he looks it up?

B. just straight up tell him that it's a danmei?

C: don't tell him the name just yet, spill the summary, get him interested, and tell him to not search anything up about it because there's heavy spoilers and it will reveal them the moment he types it up on the search bar

i go with C, obviously.

me: so, basically, some guy named shen yuan transmigrates into an incel harem male power fantasy novel where the protagonist, luo binghe, has hundreds of wives. thing is though, the guy pretty much took over the body of binghe's teacher he had when he was a teenager, who turns out to be a really scummy dude. and now he has to be nice to him so that the protagonist doesn't rip off his limbs and put him into a pickle pot in the future to suffer for eternity.

friend: that sounds hilarious and horrifying at the same time.

me: yes it is, and you should read it. it's like. my favorite novel at the moment. but don't search up anything about it because people spoil that shit. i'll let you borrow my novel

friend: nah don't worry, i'll just pirate it

friend: wait. does it have pictures?

me, my plan coming together: yeah, it has pictures. buuut, when you pirate it, it doesn't. trust me dude, i tried and was severely disappointed. plus, the physical copy is so much better

friend: fuck yeah ok thanks

me: hold on though. i'll text you later to see if my friend who's borrowing it rn is done reading it

he's hyped. he's excited. he craves a good book and a good transmigration interpretation. he's especially happy about the fact that it takes place in a chinese setting with cool powers and an actual good main character. "this sounds so good, god i wanna read it so bad."

i tell him that binghe is actually adorable, too. that it's pretty much found family! my friend then asks if shen yuan adopts him and becomes a father figure or something.

and i said "yes". you know, like a liar. (the father figure part probably isn't a lie though)

now i'm gonna give him the novel tomorrow! of course, i'm gonna cover the chapter 2 bunhe sexual awakening scene with washi tape and say that my baby cousin (sorry baby cousin, you would never <\3) scribbled all over that paragraph with her markers, and since i'm a neat book freak, i put washi tape and just wrote the scene! i don't know if that's really all too believable, but he didn't seem to care that much. just a simple "if my baby cousin did that to my book i would punt them into the sun"

i think what'll be more hilarious is the fact that you can't really tell that svsss is a BL. especially not volume 1. there's like, only a few lines indicating, but if you remove the baby binghe sexual awakening scene then you probably won't be able to know (...if you don't really read romance or anything. idk he's kinda dense anyways). so let's hope he gets attached and has a slow descent into the homo before i drop svsss vol 2 on him!

ok anyways i'll update you guys later with a reblog. maybe in about two or three days lol

(also don't worry, we already fuck around with each other on a daily basis like this. he's already tricked me into reading some manga i was unprepared for, and i thought that it'd be funny to mess around with him using svsss this time lol)

[maxdibert]

People are completely freaking out about the news that the role of Snape in the new HBO show has reportedly been offered to a Black British actor (who is talented, but really good looking. Not going to be remotely believable that he’s unpopular)

There are a million ways that could go very very very wrong, but it does at least imply that the showrunners understand that the magical world’s axes of discrimination is not equivalent to an American audience’s understanding of racism. And that Snape wasn’t a racist incel, but an outsider briefly radicalised by a life of abuse and othering. And that the Marauders weren’t committed anti-racist activists when they strung him up by the ankles. And that they’re not prepared to acquiesce to the average TikToker’s understanding of his story. Ironically, it’s made me a tiny bit interested in a retelling I expected to care nothing for.

Honestly, I’m quite picky about Snape’s physical appearance because it’s something essential, relevant, and deeply defining for the character—something that’s constantly emphasized throughout the series. I’m not convinced at all by that actor. I’m always in favor of representation, but it has to make sense. They could have cast an Asian actor, for example, who, with the right nose, would perfectly match his physical traits without needing to stick to the white Western canon. Pick someone from Korea, Japan, or a Chinese actor. They would fit his physical description perfectly while maintaining the canon and achieving inclusion at the same time.

[gacha-incels]

If you’re wondering, Korean incels are unhappy with the female characters from the newest Genshin Impact region lol they think these women are designed for female players instead of male. I think in their own tantrum the Chinese incels were also complaining about this. They compare the newest female character added to the gacha, Navia, to blonde characters from blatant male-oriented titty and pedo-pandering gacha games like Blue Archive and Nikke. Their conclusion is that blonde characters from those games are made for men, whereas the blonde Navia’s design looks like a female protagonist from a romantic fantasy which appeals to women. Also they don’t like her wearing sunglasses because in media women with high self esteem wear them. They mention some conversations in a recent event sound like writing from a romance drama for women.

From other posts of theirs I’ve seen, they believe the game was “for” only them (male gacha fans) originally but has pivoted the past year to being “for” women only. I think that’s why they won’t just quit if they don’t like it, they want the game to change completely to pander to them only and will pay $11,000 to pathetically try and turn the tide. It’s the same type of “gamer” male that wants games to remain a “boys only” media, especially gachas which now and for the past decade have been known primarily for having highly sexualized, skimpily dressed female characters and entirely female casts. That’s why here and in other posts they keep asking “who are their customers?” implying it’s women instead of men. These posts they make are a strange look into their minds where we can try to understand more specifically why they’re going SO hard in their “attacks” against Genshin and their witch hunts against any Korean woman working in media.

[wolf-tail]

Even if Rowling wasn't completely off the holocaust denying deep-end, the way she wrote those wizard books kind of pisses me off now that i'm older because they have so much potential to be better than they actually were.

Like, middle school me was eating that shit up for a reason, you don't become one of the most popular authors in the world who created one of the most well-known pieces of literature in the world off of dumb luck. There were things she did right. Unfortunately , now that i'm older I can see everything she did wrong. And my writer's brain mixed with my ego is telling me that I could make it better.

Implant a heavier theme of the wizarding world's patronizing bullshit and entitlement. Like seriously, the complete unwarranted superiority complex that these chuckle fucks have is obnoxious beyond belief. Even middle school me knew that there was no good reason to keep magic away from the people they made up a slur for. Maybe that should have been the main theme of the books.

Seriously, it ties in so well with the evil wizard supremacy sublot. The solution to systemic discrimination is not to get rid of bigoted people. It's to tear down those systems entirely. The wizarding world seriously needs a status quo shake up.

Revamp the house elves or just cut them out entirely. Just don't fucking justify slavery. IT'S NOT THAT HARD!!!

Maybe this is lefist brain talking but do not make Harry grow up to be a fucking magic cop. In fact, I would have had made the Aurors be unbelievably awful and corrupt, just like a real cops!

Give the characters of color less racist names.

Stop describing your female villains as "mannish"

The greedy goblin banker theme is one of the most disgustingly antisemetic things i've ever had the displeasure of putting up with. What the fuck is wrong with you Joanne!? I would just cut that shit out.

The violent fatphobia grosses me out so much. When I was little I wanted Dudley to get a PROPER redemption arc so bad and not be abused for his weight. In fact , if I were Rowling, I would have added in a sublot about Dudley discovering his own magic to and having to unlearn the shit his parents taught him, as well as deal with their painful rejection of him. That would've been really cool.

Apparently lycanthropy was supposed to be a metaphor for HIV??? Ew, Joanne. No. It's like she never talked to a gay man in her life.

The "love" potions piss me off SO BAD. Voldemort's mother was not in love. She was a rapist. I would change that up entirely.

Snape is not a hero. He was an incel in a hate group. Acknowledge him as such and don't have Harry name his fucking kid after him.

Hey, quick question, why does the school have a blood supremacist house???? Why was this allowed??? Why did she write Slytherin to just be openly discriminatory towards mixed blood kids????

Whatever the dad Weasely's name is, I would have played off his whole "weeb for nonmagical people" thing as more patronizing and accidentally insensitive than endearing. He reminds me of white moms who say konichiwa to the waiter at Chinese restaurants and think they're "cultured".

For the love of god, treat the female characters other than Hermione with an OUNCE of respect.

Now that I know more about animal welfare and the exotic pet industry, Hagrid kinda gets on my nerves. I would add a sublot about him learning to respect the boundaries of wild animals.

I can't think of anything else that ticks me off about the books right now but I will come back to this if I do.

[justaboutsnapped]

Why you shouldn’t support the upcoming game Black Myth: Wukong

Simply put, the creators behind Black Myth: Wukong are raging misogynists.

Founders and creatives of the studio have:

Joked about former female employees hypothetically doing prostitution

Used suggestive/objectifying/derogatory imagery & phrasing in their hiring flyers (under the cut), e.g. “In addition to hookup buddies, we promise to provide more thoughtful services” , “fatties fuck off”, etc.

Written entire think pieces on how video games don’t need female players or developers, how women are biologically inclined towards “softer” modes of gaming than men (there’s also a bit of homophobia mixed in through language such as “fuck sissies”), how some things should just be made for men, etc. “Fuck sissies, fuck tragic love stories, fuck moon-lit peach blossoms and flute-playing scholars! You don't need the reverse motivation of female players, you don't need to take care of those worms who just want to date chicks. Some things are just for men, their depression, their anger, their pain...”

Made numerous sexually explicit (& honestly incel-like) comments including ones about a female character in Black Myth: Wukong, e.g. “once you get used to this [character design] you can jerk off to it”, etc.

Boasted about how they’re losing followers, who must be women

To no one’s surprise, when people criticise the studio online, they’re met with vitriol about how they’re hypersensitive feminists, too politically correct, etc.

Chinese women have been YELLING non-stop on social media about how bad it is so it’s pretty depressing to see that a lot of non-Chinese gamers, even after reading an IGN article covering the situation, are apathetic. I get that a lot of people are excited about the novelty of a soulslike game based on Chinese mythology, but do you really want to support a studio that actively contributes towards and benefits from misogynistic gaming culture?

Talking about separating the artist from their art is bullshit if you're financially supporting them. Boycott! Pirate!

Here are some sources if you want to see detailed translations, learn more about the situation as well as the misogynistic gaming culture at large China:

[max1461]

Thought for a moment in the 2010s that we were entering a new serious era (e.g. 1920s, 30s, 40s), but it seems that we're instead in an increasingly tacky era (50s, 60s, 70s). Like look at the change in YouTube. Well you all are textheads you don't do video, I know that. But like. In 2017 there was ContraPoints. Agree or disagree with her opinions, what she was doing was conceptually and aesthetically serious. Even her early, low-production-value stuff. She was talking about incels and other internet shit, but the internet is part of the real world, that's fine. In fact that's what gave me hope for another serious era, people were finally talking about internet stuff the way 1920s German intellectuals or whatever talked about the cultural trends of their day. Maybe because Contra has half a philosophy PhD and was explicitly influenced by those German intellectuals.

Another example from a totally disjoint cultural niche was Digi a.k.a. Trixie a.k.a. Ygg Studios or whatever they go by now. Drunk, smelly, and unkempt—yes. Or at least so went the persona. Talking seriously about anime—also yes. When they claimed they were the only good anime reviewer on the internet it made a lot of people mad. But they were right!

There were thinkers, we had thinkers. My generation, or roughly my generation, had thinkers. To be clear, when I include Contra here I'm not including all of her ilk, I'm not including the leftist-theory-regurgitators and so on. But Contra herself was a thinker! Digi was a thinker! We had thinkers.

But that era is over now, on YouTube at least. I go on there and it's all algorithmic drivel. I look for anime content and as I've explained it's all about #hype and #epic and how the new season of whatever #hits different and other empty meaningless bullshit. No analysis, no thought, fundementally unserious bullshit. Tacky! It's tacky! The the YouTube thumbnail O-face is fucking 70s-ass fake wood paneling tacky bullshit!

MrBeast. I've never seen a MrBeast video but I hate him for what he represents. I used to watch this channel called Wranglerstar, he made videos about different types of axes and forest fire fighting equipment and various other stuff. "Modern homesteading" I believe was the tagline. And it was always evident that he was a far-right guy but who gives a shit, his videos where good. Serious videos about interesting topics, that a fucking normal guy might watch. Well around 2020 he basically started flooding his channel with covid conspiracy bullshit and "the Chinese are going to attack us any day!" bullshit and other unserious crap. And I had to stop watching. How could I find any of that compelling? It's vapid nonsense.

And I don't know if it's a shift in the algorithm or people becoming more savvy to the algorithm or what, but all of YouTube is like this now. Vapid clickbait empty meaningless bullshit for another tacky commercialized bullshit era.

And you know, I felt like it might just be localized to YouTube for a while, but I started to look around, and it just feels like everything is like this. Backsliding to the tacky times. God I hate tackiness. I hate unseriousness. I'm having a little meltdown. At least SMW kaizo hacks are having a renaissance. People are doing serious shit in that space, serious shit that is also not anachronistic, you know, it's kept up with the modern world. It addresses modern concerns (fun to play hard Mario). But it's serious. People are serious. One of the few serious things happening in my orbit.

Even in science it feels like people aren't serious anymore. You know, standard Sabine Hossenfelder complaint about particle physics. But I don't really know enough about that to say. Get the vibe that biology is still serious these days.

To be clear, everything I'm saying here is pure vibes. I'm just saying shit. I'm just saying shit that I feel. But I'll be deeply disappointed if I have to live my youth in another tacky era, god damn it. Even the 80s seem like they were better than this.

[idiasalterpacking]

(Almost) Stereotypical Incel Weeb Alter

~ Name(s) : Felix (masc) / Trigger (Enby)

~ Pronouns : He/They/Nym/Vos/Zaer/Fayr

~ Age : 23

~ Birthday : November 13th

~ Genders : Trans masc boyflux

~ Sexuality : Biromantic Heterosexual

~ Paraphilias : 🗺

~ CisIDs : CisIncel, Cis🗺, CisHarmful (based on societal beliefs), CisProblematic, CisNullEmpathy, CisYandere, CisSmoker, CisScary, CisWeirdo / CisFreak, CisAtheist, CisNPD, CisBPD, CisAntiSocial, CisWeeb, CisAnimeLover, CisFetish, CisRaceFetish, CisAutistic

~ TransIDs : Transgender, TransLoliGirlfriend, TransAsianGirlfriend, PermaWeeb, TransNEET, TransDisgusting, NullShowers, NullHygeine, Trans4chanUser, TransDiscordMod, TransRedditUser, TransSatanist, TransFat, TransTwitterUser, TransSexist, TransMisogynistic

~ Likes : Anime, Lolis/Shotas, Japanese/Chinese/Korean women, American foods (burgers, hotdogs, fried food, etc), Reddit, Shipping (Comshipping), Ai chatbots, body pillows

~ Dislikes : Showering/Hygiene, watching anything but anime/any shows that aren't anime, going outside, talking to irl people (only if he knew them online first)

~ Roles : No Specific Name Known but will help the host or body avoid the outdoors or other people when overwhelmed by social interaction