#check please discourse

[allowaykirk]

Ngozi is so brave reigniting conversations about Check Please discourse because holy shit this fandom has had some wild times

[tadfools]

I don’t want to say this where this comment was added because while it was rb’ed from me, the root post isn’t mine and I don’t want to drag op in a circus tent. Do we really need to put homophobic on the highest shelf up from the tik tok folks?

This is about Kethric and ????? Homophobic coded??? Statistically and logically speaking, there are going to be queer people that you do not get along with and that you don't like in real life. That's just the way people are. And it's not because we're queer, it's because we're human

Kethric doesn’t hate Aylin because she’s a lesbian. He despises her because she is the child of Selûna, because he believes that she corrupted Isobel - not with queer cooties but with the love of a goddess who he felt betrayed him

If Aylin was a man, the hatred would not be diluted at all

[roadside-oddity]

There is a Rampant and Vicious Cycle in the Online Left That Needs to Be Addressed

Every leftist needs to understand that not every proclaimed leftist is a safe person or one that is acting in good faith. Many people in this sphere --even if they are minorities themselves-- are Abusers. Let me be clear: they are Abusers REGARDLESS of --NOT because of-- them being a minority. Despite this, many of them have weaponized their standing as a minority in order to get away with their behavior and achieve what they see as some form of power and control over others. Let me be clear. I am referring to those that:

Manipulate and lie about pressing situations (especially when it's to harm another person or demographic)

Excessively use idpol to either elevate themselves to holier than thou levels ("listen to ___ people but only when it's something I agree with, which just so happens to devolve from constructive change to making others grovel and plead forgiveness endlessly before me") or belittle others (ie their skin color, gender, queerness, disability, neurodivergence, religion, age, etc.) in order to discount their point or not treat them as equal human beings; yes, even if their skin tone is white or if they are men, abuse does not have to be backed up by systemic issues in order to be abusive or at the very least harmful (sidenote: this does not apply to people talking about their experiences as a minority that is otherwise not experienced or understood by others, the issue I'm pointing out is when it's twisted to cover everything not directly tied to their identity and proclaim themselves as the only ones allowed to be the voice of reason, therefore shutting up everyone else and to avoid any constructive criticism or discussion)

Act on rage and at times even trauma to bring forth harmful ideals (ex: truly hating every person of a demographic, wishing for a genocide, making actual death or rape threats towards someone or a group, conversion, etc)(sidenote: I'm not discounting those that have trauma and even have harmful thoughts, just please seek help and understand that it is not healthy nor sustainable to paint or alter reality to be in line with what trauma makes you believe)

Actively try to get others they don't agree with to either permanently leave the internet or commit suicide and even celebrate when either happens

Excessively test others on their "purity" on unachievable standards to the detriment of everyone and Leftism as a whole (purity culture is fueled by christian culture in order to disguise doomerism, accepting defeat when change is not possible, of which is the very thing that will kill leftism)

Infight over weird made up issues (remember how divide and conquer is a war strategy? To split hairs and discount others for non-issues is to do the work of conservatives and nazis for them)

Shut down people or discussions over minor slights such as using an incorrect word/phrasing or any numerous perceived mistakes (example I've seen here: berating a person with schizophrenia (or a trans person or any other minority) for using a derogatory term for themselves when they're talking about how everyone else is speaking over them and not listening), ignoring the hypocrisy or not taking into account any number of mundane causes such as non-native english speakers, generational gaps, being in the process of learning (either recovering from harmful beliefs or simple ignorance), using those terms to prove a point (such as that example I mentioned above), neurodivergence, etc.

Not letting others talk about their experiences of oppression when those experiences don't match theirs, instead opting to call those people bigoted for contrived reasons

A rejection of nuance, intersectionalism, and even reality to better suit their goals (ex: claiming that every trans man benefits from the patriarchy and can never experience misogyny)

Misuse of therapy speak and terminology in order to water down those terms and render them near meaningless so they can weaponize them under the pretense of their original use (ex: gaslighting), or to cut off any need to connect or sympathize with other human beings and instead speak to them like a PR message (refer to this video by Zena and Poppy for reference)

They never speak on true leftist/progressive ideals or positive change, they only engage in destructive discourse or any behavior listed above

Making baseless dangerous accusations towards someone they don't like. Before you go harr harr you're doing that, I'm not calling out any specific person and am merely listing dangerous behaviors I've seen people here act out. What I am referring to are when someone casually calls someone specific a predator (or whatever else) with absolutely zero proof and expecting everyone to believe them no questions asked. This has been shown to ruin people's lives

Any other similar behaviors not included in this list (as well as classic logical fallacies), but what I've mentioned above should paint you a good picture

Every example I've pointed out were REAL EVENTS I've seen from people that proclaim themselves as leftists or even just progressive, and sometimes are even minorities themselves (some even infight against their own communities using the behaviors listed above, often out of internalized bigotry)(an example of a real event that happened here recently were when several people were making rape threats towards a trans man by the username of @a-faggot-with-opinions). To be blunt, I'm pointing out exclusionism in practically every form, asexual discourse, transandrophobia, TERFs/radfems, TEHMs, tankies, "cornbreadtube", nationalists and ethnonationalists, and all else I don't have the terminology for For many of the people that fall under that bullet list I would hesitate to even refer to them as leftist or progressive, as they never seem to actually show they act on it or even believe in it, only making an appearance in those communities for their own destructive personal gain; hell, often times they have ideals that directly go against what those communities stand for! Examples include TERFs with white supremacist beliefs, transandrophobes that are misogynistic, ethnonationalists that are antisemitic, puritans that are ableist, the list goes on forever. Once you know what to look for, you can see the hidden or overt bigotry behind their false "progressive" statements

No one is infallible No one is better than everyone else You are not immune to propaganda No one is immune from behaving abusively

These people are dangerous, whether they actually qualify as abusers --as I've been referring to them as such for brevity and impact-- or are people that are engaging in hurtful or fully abusive behavior (use this paragraph as a disclaimer, I of course can't know if someone is an abuser in real life unless there is documented evidence of such). Regardless, they are hurting the left and are letting the right win

If you see any of these behaviors either 1) take caution if you're unsure, 2) block them, or 3) if you have the fortitude, call them out. Either way, use your best judgement and think for yourself (or discuss with good faith leftists if you're uncertain). And remember, often times (albeit not always) they are actually fully aware of their disgusting behavior and are choosing to act maliciously, not ignorantly.

Stay safe, log off, do what you can to support your local community and leftism as a whole, don't let these people distract from the real issues at hand. Have empathy, if you don't have empathy then act in compassion, if you don't or refuse to do either please do not engage in politics. Misanthropy has no place in matters concerning humanity.

And remember: we have to stand together in unity so we can create a better future for all

[leave-your-body]

sorry im still thinking abt dreams new smp like what the actual hell. what is going on. how is thsi man so pathetic that he cant let someone (whos supposed to be his FRIEND) have his own moment without trying to steal the spotlight. what on earth is Language Ranking. what language will everything be "live translated" into. how lame does this guy have to be to do this i cant wrap my head around just how pathetic this is

[sleepysnk]

PLEASE READ!!!! (again)

i literally thought that this was done and over with, but that doesn’t seem like the case.

the user @avaricious-hoe is on wattpad! however, they have 47 different stories that are all STOLEN from naruto writers! i recently discovered this because a friend of mine found their account and found that every post has been copied from other writers. now while they haven’t copied my work this time, there are many other posts on there from other writers and i believe that this should be brought to light because she should NOT be getting away with this yet again.

screenshots of the works (didn’t include all because there were 47):

i have already contacted one of the authors who had their fics stolen and they are aware of it now. please report them!! this isn’t right at all and i’m so done with people like them getting away with this kind of shit!!

BOOST!!! ESPECIALLY TO NARUTO AUTHORS/WRITERS!!!!

here’s the link to their account!! forgot to add it.

UPDATE AS OF 3/15:

the account is deleted and is no longer active!! thank you to everyone who got the word out!!

[randomyounglady]

Mini rant about The Completionist charity issue:

Say we give him the benefit of the doubt on everything. Say he actually was looking for a good source, say there are no ulterior motives, and say the intention was to send all of it when a proper source was found. The money dating back to the early years of the charity has lost a lot of value due to inflation. The spending power that could have gone to dementia research back then has been greatly reduced. I point this out because it does not matter if that line of thought was the actual logic. His family's mismanagement of the funds actively removed value from the donations that they can never get back. This is sufficient enough, in my opinion, to at least incur charges. Of course malicious intent should be investigated and only charged for by proper channels, but removing this aspect entirely still reveals clear-cut wrongdoing that every fan who has ever donated should be mad about. The $5 little timmy gave in 2014 has not only not gone to dementia research like planned, but it became less valuable in the process. The impact of that donation, however small it was at the time, as been dampened. That is the worst part of this whole scenario.

[stinkrascal]

its kinda surprising how much discourse ive seen in the bg3 fandom over whats essentially people moralizing the decisions other ppl make in rpgs... like thats somehow reflective of ur personality irl. but like thats literally the dumbest thing ive ever heard so why are people taking this idea but pretending like its not the dumbest thing theyve ever heard, truly it blows my mind that anyone runs w this discourse in full sincerity. youre telling me we're not all pointing and laughing rn???

[qtubbo]

All users on that list can sue btw, false accusations of stalking is serious and all evidence you provided and called “stalking” is not and will never be considered that. My recommendation is to delete or edit your posts before someone’s parents decide you hurt their kid too much to leave it.

[aristocrating]

Bitty grew up in the Deep South and I feel like his “ideals” may have been a bit skewed towards slightly Christian. While we know bitty is gay and had sex before marriage, marrying the first person you fall in love with seems to be more in line with southern Baptist culture (I don’t mean this to be offensive, it’s just something i picked up on)

(I assume this is in response to the anon from earlier about Bitty not dating around and marrying straight out of college.)

Oh yeah, I mean I agree, I think a lot of ideas Bitty has about relationships are informed by his upbringing. It absolutely makes sense that that is something a character who's presented to us as so entrenched in that culture would do, and maybe even aspire to.

Where I personally wish the comic did something – not even necessarily different, just more – is explore how someone like Bitty would unpack how his upbringing and what he wants his life and relationships to look like, compare to his experience of queerness. Samwell is the "1 in 4" college yet we never really see any other queer perspectives, save for Jack who just goes along with Bitty, Kent who isn't on screen for long enough to really say anything and Whiskey who is mostly concerned with the closet. We don't see a lot of delving into what happens to you after you come out, how it changes you as a person, we hardly learn anything about Bitty's internal life other than that the comic tells us he and Jack are happy together. Did he have to grapple with internalized homophobia? How does he reconcile wanting culturally traditional values with having an identity that people would call anything but traditional? Did he have any thoughts, feelings or reactions to same-sex marriage being legalized in 2015?

I do think there is a lot of potential in a queer character with traditional Christian values, and it's so intriguing to me that the comic never really seemed interested in exploring that.

Edit: one part I do actually think is handled really well is Bitty's confrontation with his dad. there's a lot of complexity in that one strip and it's one of the times i think the comic really hit on something. again, lots of potential.

[canibecandid]

I’m not going to comment on that check please post again, but as someone who has been in her fair share of country brawls… Bitty is getting his shit wrecked.

5ft 6 1/2 in? Baby, that’s SHORT. (I am 5ft 5 in, which is the average height for women in the US.) He literally can fit into a Hockey Bag (which he does as a prank on Ransom and Holster and then later became part of his pre-game ritual)[Year 3 Comic 4]

125 lbs? Literally categorized as STRAW-WEIGHT class for boxing. Not Featherweight (which starts at 126) but STRAW.

Gay in the south? He is getting PROFILED as a target. Even without his weight and height. I know gay BOUNCERS that straight dudes go after looking for fights. (Credentials: I am queer and from the south.) In the Frozen 4, he literally has a homophobic player that will not let up to the point where Dex checks him.

He avoids getting checked, not only because of the mental portion, but also because he’ll get RAG DOLLED. Which we see happen twice. (Once Freshman year and again his Senior year [right before the flashback episode]).

Yes, we see him check back but the result of checking Cole over the side boards is a mild concussion and losing his tooth. That was push HE initiated and Cole had no time to respond to… Eric literally had to build speed and momentum in order to knock this person over and, as far as we know, came out the more injured of the two.

Some of y’all have never taken nor swung a punch (of which I’m very happy for y’all and you shouldn’t need to do so) but Eric Bittle wouldn’t last in a bar fight and would definitely be a target of harassment.

[probablyaseamonster]

to all the people making fanart about My Little Pony infection AUs:

That was my childhood! MY. CHILDHOOD! My largest source of happiness because I sure as hell wasn't getting that from my family or anybody I interacted with after leaving the house. I lived vicariously through the Main Six because I apparently didn't understand how friendship worked since people either avoided me and gave me looks or pretended to be my friend just to gaslight me afterward (like i wasnt getting enough of that at home). The few friends I did manage to get never lasted long, and I'd spend hours wallowing in jealousy because my siblings managed to manifest massive friend groups despite being absolutely awful.

I happened upon Cupcakes by accident like so many other children and I could never look at my favourite show the same way again. Even when I was enjoying it there would always be those terrifying images at the back of my mind. Not even the most innocent media in my childhood were safe from adults who "liked" children.

You ruined it! You ruined the one good thing I had! And now you have the gall to be like

"Hey, remember when we destroyed the innocence of thousands of children and drew and wrote so much heinous art that we became an entire subset of the fandom? That was fun! Lets do that again, for old time's sake."

FUCK YOU. How come you get to enjoy your nostalgia at the expense of the people you already actively prevented from experiencing? How come you get to ruin the corpse of the characters you ruined during their life?

I don't fucking care if you're neurodivergent! I am too and you actively took away the only source of joy I had when I was surrounded by ableism on all sides. If you can't tell, this is an extremely personal subject to me!

The MLP revival shouldn't be more creepypasta shit. And don't you DARE call me a white Karen mom about this. Because of you, MLP is known for horror and characters brutally murdering each other, and don't get me wrong! I love that shit! I'm in the life series fandom for God's sake! I was a Magnus Archives fan! But this is different! This is an innocent piece of media I was LIVING on.

Can you all just fucking stay out of it? I would rather a timeline where only a few people made MLP fanworks in 2024 and were made fun of than you all doing this with its legacy. Abusers shouldn't be able to kick the actual mourners out of a funeral and assault whoever, dead or alive, is left.

Ive never understood the reason why people make DNI lists but I think I'm getting it now! Istg, if you come at me with more MLP horror, I am blocking you, and if you make fun of that statement I'm sorry but I would deck you in the face if you did that IRL because how dare you laugh at a person this angry? I get enough of that on the regular already and I don't need people I could've been friends with online adding themselves to the list.

Now how about you all squash your indeserved and harmful nostalgia and LEAVE so that us traumatized kids can enjoy what little content we still make?

[hero-dualies-pog]

i think i finally get all those “maybe we could do with a little less shipping in fandom. this is not a complaint but a cry for help” aromantic posts

[coern]

I wanna draw these two guy characters together but I wanna draw yuri so I could always just like. genderbend. or transgender it. but I don't wanna look like I'm just drawing a m/m ship as girls just so i dont look misogynistic

[sillygh0st]

Lets be very carefull and not spread disinformation guys!! Even if we are all sad, spreading lies and false things is not helpful and can cause hate!!!!!

[theultracharmingladynoire]

no really idgi why is it that when any poll is made with yoi in it there's just so much of hostility towards the show?? Like okay maybe it's because the show you like is losing or something and you want it to win (that's just normal) but is the hostility even necessary

[eagledrawsandvibes]

Hey y’all, stop infantilizing Jervis Tetch.

This is a problem I’ve seen a lot of with the fandom version of Jervis. People will characterize him as a “pure innocent bean”, and will draw him in a childlike way, like making him the size of a child(I know he’s usually short, but there’s a difference between short and child sized) or rounding him out to be ‘cuter’. I’ve seen people say that Jervis ‘doesn’t know what sex is’ or ‘he’s so innocent and baby’. It’s a really annoying thing that I’ve seen, and it gets worse when Jervis is a neurodiverse character with his schizophrenia.

Infantilizing and woobifiying characters, especially neurodivergent ones, is very problematic. Jervis Tetch is a grown ass man. He mind controls people. He’s an incel towards Alice, or in Gotham he’s downright disgusting towards her. He swears. He’s a Batman rogue. DO NOT WOOBIFY AND INFANTILIZE HIM, ESPECIALLY NOT TO MAKE OTHER CHARACTERS SCARIER OR MORE SERIOUS.

Do not infantilize the Mad Hatter or I will shred you.

(Edit 11/19/22: fixed up some misinformation on this post. I sincerely apologize for them.)