#chaifootsteps criticism

[xxduncandonutxx]

Chai is trying to diagnois Vivziepop with NPD, like hunnie, you are NOT a psychologist.. please don't do this

I don't think it's right to falsely label someone with a mental illness... that isn't criticism

[antivivziepopparade]

Another thing about Chaifootsteps.

I saw Chaifootsteps reblog this (I am using a alternate link but you can find where Chai reblogged it if you look hard enough) and all I can say is this:

You ARE bound by morality if you write!

Even the simple act of making erotica is based in the morality of wanting free speech and sexual rights.

Romanticizing evil behaviors such as homophobia, transphobia, beastiality, (*cough* Chaifootsteps *cough*) pedophillia, rape, incest, racism etc makes you a HORRIBLE goddamn person no matter how you put it. You are using your bad representation to put people, real life people, in a worst place to benefit only yourself in return.

This is why people dont like Proshippers. Their vagueness is DANGEROUSLY vague along with containing hidden messages such as what I just explained. FUCK proshippers!

(Except Self Shippers, you can stay.)

[pleasantspark]

The word Racism means nothing in today's society including Hazbin Hotel's Fandom.

1. Sera and Emily are Seraphim Angels. Which by Christian and Other related Religions are Spirits which doesn't have ANY FORM of race attatched.

2. Let's play schematics here, even if we remove religion from the equation. It doesn't change the absolute fuckery that is coloring POCs granite grey and calling it representation. Viv showed she can do POC correctly before.

3. Sir Pentious has no variations in his color palette he's just another copy and pasted pastey white guy. Nothing wrong with that racially but it's gotten to the point that there's only specifically two races and two tones on the spectrum she chooses.

4. Saints/Sinners aren't spirits. They should ATLEAST have some form of their heritage unlike angels who are spirits. St. Peter is a real man with melenin that was tarnished as with Adam.

Finally, this one is needed for all the people in the back: You can't call someone racist as a joke in a climate where this fandom will take it seriously and doxx you. Viv has literally whitewashed figures that aren't white as with Blackwashing Alastor. There's steady proof of most of the allegations and I don't care at this rate but if you're going to call someone racist atleast look INTO Viv and co first before harassing people here or grow up. Whichever one comes first. Half of you aren't even old enough to watch the show anyways. This is my final stance on this shit because it's a problem no one cares enough to point out in this fandom because people think that calling someone a racist without figuring out the Creators depictions are racist too (speaking out as the people AFFECTED) is ridiculous.

People can have their interpretations and fix the designs. If you continue to do this you're proving that the Fandom is Toxic and provides nothing BUT no criticism. I'm sick of this mess and people not being mature (WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY THIS SHOWS WHOLE THEME?!)

If you're not being mature about any of this then don't comment.

And don't comment on topics you know nothing about because most of the arguments I see is shit the stans say over and over to justify the blatant racism.

I'm only getting mad because it's annoying as a POC and ruins actual racism. I've been a victim of RACISM before not some stupid "Hurr durr someone slightly tanned a character that's pale white!"

Note before people actually take this shit out of context: One of my family friends was a victim of Police Brutality, she was shot by the cops thinking she was holding a gun. This was a stigimatism, and it was because she was colored. (She is trans fem), this type of bullshit is WHY racism is serious, but just like with terms like Zoophile, Pedophile and Groomer, it's only used as a weapon to cancel someone without evidence and used to push a person to near brink of death. Because without evidence you can claim someone is something, it was seen with that streamer, and with DollCreep. These words are serious and by using them as a way to get people to NOT listen to them in order to paint them as some sort of degen loses it's entire meaning and ruins the credibility of actual victims. If you can't handle serious topics in a show while us grown ups educate and try to tell you WHY it's bad and why you SHOULDN'T perpetrate this at all, then you shouldn't be in this fandom.

[weaselbeaselpants]

cw: gross shipping weirdo nonsense.

VivziePop stans trying to say Chaifootsteps is a literal irl zoophile for writing an AUToothlessxHiccup fic where Toothless could talk is ridiculous...and that's coming from someone where ToothlessxHiccup is one of my personal absolute NOTPs. Sorry Chai.

tbf I think people are fair to find talking-ToothlessxHiccup stuff creepy in the same way they do HorsexRider from Centaurworld icky- not because there's any irl connotations with animals but because in canon that's just a very nonsexual relationship because it's a pet and it's owner. It crosses that same barrier as incestshipping for me even w all parties are adult and consenting- my aroace spectrum legit can't get over how this particular thing designed to be unsexy by the writers is made by someone watching it to be sexy in different contexts; but, I'll manage. ((also yes I'm implying that if a feral characterxhuman bodied character's canon relationship is portrayed smexual I don't care. mf this has been in fairytales since the dawn of time. Hardmode monsterfucking when the feral can talk and percieve =/= zoophilia, and especially not irl zoophilia. Me and everyone else just prefers anthro for the same reason we wish Lore Olympus Persephone wasn't portrayed so tiny- it just reminds us way too much of the people we've seen with...specific 'interests'))

I hate ToothlessxHiccup and Elsanna but I'm sorry I'll take a person who knows they're being a weirdo and can dial it back once in awhile for the sake of others vs Lily Orchard saying that Elsa and Anna isn't just implied because she legit wanted their relationship* for her and her sister; or the zoos I've met who legit want Ash and Pikachu to bang because "that's the purest expression of love between animal and trainer". If Chai was using anything along the lines of those responses, it'd be different.

And, of course, I can't not point out that the whole reason anyone's going after Chai at all is because he's a critical-person meanwhile prominent Helluvaverse stans have proudly made incest and rape art unapologetically with 0 self awareness. They're doing this as a smear campaign and yes they're also being massively transphobic and abusing an sa survivor while they do it.

my biggest thing with proshippers will always be: 1, do you have boundaries and know how to dial the disturbing shit you've thought up back for the sake of people who can't handle it? and 2, do you know the fictional scenarios are really not okay in real life circumstances, especially when it's sexual shit? Chai respects both of these things. Lay off him. Poppy from ZenaandPoppy has 0 boundaries and calls people who don't like her exposing incest survivors to incest porn "puritans". That's disgusting. That's evil. That's the kind of person that makes sane people throw fits because you should w you hear that.

[palesweetscherryblossom]

Officially denouncing Chaifootsteps. I had no idea about their weirdo behavior as I only really focused on their HH criticisms.

Highly recommend blocking them. I take back my asks and everything I’ve sent them.

Please don’t be a creep

[motha-is-dissapointed]

I apologize if this has been posted before I simply wanted to combine Vivienne's legal threat with Kedi's clarification. Thank you Chai for being lovely

[theoddest1]

been scrolling for a while now and who the hell is chai and why do some people don't like him

Olay so there are a few reasons for why Chai isn't liked (based on what I have seen and heard)

One of the reasons is because they are a huge part of the reason some people are aware of what Viv has done and are known in the opposing side for Viv. They have brought a large amount of attention to her wrongdoings and have many eyes on them as a result. They have made people aware of Viv's transphobia, Viv's immaturity, her thin-skinned attitude, and do on. This has led many on Viv's side to deem them a stalker and a hater even though most of the information they get on Viv is either public knowledge or given to them by Victims of Viv.

The second thing that many have disliked about Chai were their interests. They have called Chai many things, but one of their main gripes was Chai's ships. If I am correct, they dislike the Hiccup x Toothless ships mainly, calling it Zoophillia. Chai has been on record stating that they only ship the two with Toothless thinking and feeling like a human and not thinking and feeling like an animal. I personally am not a fan of the ship, but the accusation can be much imo. I just find it odd. Maybe they know something I don't about Chai? Tbh, I kinda am outta the loop in all the deets regarding that, so I would def recommend looking into that and seeing for yourself just in case but I'd rather stay neutral on this in case there's just something I am unaware of, but as I stand, the accusation seem harsh. People mainly ever bring up the Hiccup and Toothless one, and some others bring up other things like Chai's art and accused them of being a pedo (his character is an adult I think but some art of his character looks chibi so that's where the accusations began I believe) and something about Pokémon and Transformers?? I think transphobia for the latter. Chai is trans btw and I think they simply didn't like how one Transformer was forced into being trans)

This is all I know tbh.

[hellaverse-critical-confessions]

I know Stella is abusive but the thing is, that’s all there is to her. The reason she’s so awful is to make Stolas look better.

Yep. Because Heaven forbid anyone sympathized with the spouse being cheated on for even a millisecond when we've got a gay ship to board

[xxduncandonutxx]

Also warning, Chaifootsteps is leaking Hazbin Hotel premiere stuff just as what is happening in the episodes.. my advice is to NOT go on their page if ya don't wanna be spoiled.

Just should've added a spoiler warning or do something like this

That way HH and HB fans can avoided any spoilers or put a 'Hazbin hotel spoiler' tag in the tags section, because not everyone is gonna have these as their censored tag thing or whatever it's called /gen

[antivivziepopparade]

Officially blocking Chaifootsteps.

Actually no, Chai.

How about we report lolicon AND children being exploited.

Because believe it or not, under the law, its the EXACT SAME THING!

Because lolicon is FUCKING ILLEGAL and is known to be CHILD PORNAGRAPHY which only encourages MORE pedophilles to feed into their urges. Which HURTS CHILDREN! So if anything BOTH SHOULD BE REPORTED EQUALLY!

PERIOD! So if you want to report more kids being exploited- do BOTH instead of mostly lolicon! Be the change you want to see in the world. BOTH CRIMES NEED TO BE ERADICATED! PERIOD!

[fernsandbarnacles]

Just gonna let yall know what kind of person chai is

TW: Pedophilia and Zoophilia

It’s pretty funny that Brandon loves blitzstrike while everyone else bad mouths striker and how evil he is he says “Okay but hes kinda hot though. Would” or that one time. “Hey Ed is the statue accurate?” Ed replies “why don’t you find out”

My favourite. The latest one. “Did you see that scene where (we) had (our) faces right up close to each other? I watch that every day.”

Tension is undeniable. Morgana and Viv gotta stop fighting the gay cowboy thoughts. They’re brokeback mountain core.

BlitzStrike is an unstoppable force and even Brandon knows it. The only question is who's going to be the one to bottom with no lube and an ass full of beans.

[flower-boi16]

I don't support chai but this video brought me a lot of concern and thought this needed to be shared around in the critical community

bro... This is absolutely disgusting how blitzos v/a is acting. I get that Viv and Brandon hate Octavia and give her some of the worst development and are very biased towards stolitz but this is disgusting. He even calls Octavia who's a minor a sl*t like I swear to God shut the fu*CK up.

https://www.tumblr.com/chaifootsteps/748486696635613184/jesus-fucking-christ-puke-bucket-please?source=share

Jesus. The girl is suffering from neglect from her god-awful father and has to go through divorce and THIS is how the writers treat her???

[pleasantspark]

For what it's worth I like your redesign of human Pen wayyyyyyyy better than the Canon version. Like I'm sorry, as a white person whose pale as fuck, your telling me that man, that man right there, is pale? Nu uh, give the man some color PLEASE

Also those people are assholes and toxic, doesn't matter how old they are. Id hope you left the server, if you didnt, tell them to grow the fuck up then leave. You dont need to be around them, they can go fuck themselves

The fandom has gotten SO toxic and hostile to any criticisms or redesigns of vivs works and it's ridiculous

I did left the server. The fact the schematics of how slightly tan = black is annoying. Ironically enough. The same people who complained also forget Alastor was literally black washed.

I used a photo of mine to determine the skintone. My skin is light despite being black. I used color picker on my arm and went with that.

Some people say that "He's a shut in!" But like, no? No one's born like that Pentleton's skin isn't paper thin white. Like I said with @chaifootsteps it only works with what @amiz06-certified-b1mb0 did with their human designs of Frieza's family and Frost himself because in canon Frieza's sheet white.

But Pentleton's canon design doesn't point to it at all. No hate to the designer but like why is he Hotel Transylvania Dracula Levels of pale? For a show based in Hell most of your OCs are vampires.

I also redid Pentleton's Backstory to be more better. I'm exhausted due to monthly and having a hard time. I tried with Saint Peter but lord fixing that is a headache. But thanks!

Pentleton's also Trans Masc as well! :D I selfship with him.

[helluvabossrewrite45]

Quick rewrite of 'Western's Energy'

The original scene was a bit off putting for me, just because of how one sided this conflict feels. Here i'll try to give it more weight even if it may not be good (in that case, feel free to call it out, criticism is pretty important for me, especially as a writer)

Anyways, credit to @chaifootsteps and @showtoonzfan for their ideas that are implemented in this au (with chaifootsteps whole post about stolas lack of accountability and showtoonzfans tags to it here: https://www.tumblr.com/showtoonzfan/718418915483582464/chaifootsteps-hate-how-vivzie-keeps?source=share)

[weaselbeaselpants]

Hey ya'll (@rockanroller, @chaifootsteps, @theoddest1) I'm sorry to sound like a nag but I seriously think it'd be best not to give the Bad Webcomics Wiki attention for being some of the first people to publicly hold any criticism of Vivziepop. YMMV in as far as how anyone wants to fully blacklist all the advice ever made there, but speaking as a person who saw all of it happen:

>LincarRox, Viv's personal stalker-creeper hung out there w he was kicked out of HH aminos for being a jealous freak. He then tried to take down Starlatte, -who was also a user there and is known now- , the woman infamous for trying to get her rewrite of Hazbin canonized by Viv.

>As I can't stress enough, (Gooseworx was also aware of it), amongst the doofy haters and layabouts was a guy on there who sent Viv graphic r@pe art of Angel Dust fucking her decapitated head. I think the thread from there showing that evidence is gone now but yeah it's still up on Viv's Encyclopedia Dramatica entry.

All three of these instances seriously crossed the line and no I don't think pointing out what Viv and other SH people did is bad justifies those things.

And yes, since it was one of the only places for awhile w any critical discussion of Viv was discussed, it means that some of the earliest known exfans and detractors have used said forums. As with KiwiFarms, I trust individuals who happen to use websites like that for whatever reason, but I don't trust those sites as a whole.

Sorry. I swear I'm not trying to start some shit, guy. I just think these facts shouldn't be forgotten. Selfishly I also just Viv's stans and supporters are prolly gonna use that against ppl, but realistically I was also a young kid reading BWW's entries on MoonOverJune and shit and when I saw Zoophobia get added it was surreal and I visited the thread on that every day- I saw in real time people make genuine criticisms, shoot the shit, and then BOOM rapeporn. Scars.

[gartenofbanny]

Alright let's see what Vivziepop has gotten herself into this time..

Ah, one of the more recent ones. Alright time to share my thoughts on this. Borrowed this from @chaifootsteps because for some reason I still didn't make a second account yet.

1. No one is reading Viv's essay aside from her fans, the prompt is shite so I'm pretty sure the essay is going to be worse.

2. I've never really seen people call Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel a fanfic, they more or less say that it has fanfic like tropes. Even then I've read a few Hellaverse fan writes or fanfic that are more interesting than Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel themselves.

3. And now she's pulling the "homophobic" card. Why is it that when Vivziepop says something like "If you call my shows this that means you're homophobic!" People go "Yass Queen", "Ignore the haters" or something along those lines, but when other creators do the same thing they're rightfully criticized for it? Just a small question for you guys, anyway those are my thoughts behind this tweet because..I'm not even gonna talk about it that much. It's just Vivziepop shenanigans at this point.