#carmy is adam

[currymanganese]

Legacy. You think about it?

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Genesis 2:21-23~

"Wait, so what was the best one?"

"Best what? "

"Best meal you ever had."

"Yeah, it was, it was Carmy's."

"I knew it. I knew it, yeah."

"Sydney: Hmm. He is really, really... really good."

"High praise."

"Yeah, but he's still a little bitch."

Inspired by my add-on to @espumado's thread here on the supernatural and mythological references in The Bear. @thoughtfulchaos773 @glitterslag @moodyeucalyptus @vacationship @ambeauty @lecham1644 @tinfishlove @whenmemorydies @brokenwinebox @glitterslag @tvfantic87 @augustmonsooning @devisrina @imliterallyjustablackgirl @angelica4equity @outmakingmoonshine @blackjack-15

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[squash1]

the passing of an object,

the passing of the torch, the passing of a legacy:

[the west wing / the dream thieves / dead poets society / the bear / young royals / ted lasso]

[outmakingmoonshine]

The conversation Syd has with Shapiro in 3x10 is of course about the job he offered her but the main questions of the conversation are: Has Syd told Carmy yet? Why hasn't she told Carmy yet? Does she still want to tell Carmy? When is she going to tell Carmy? Then a noncommittal agreement that she will tell Carmy "soon". As much as it's about the job offer, all these questions are about Carmy too. The questions are forcing Syd to think about why she can't just tell him, and deep down she knows why. (S1 Syd wouldn't have hesitated this long to tell Carmy and take the offer, especially since the way he's been treating her in S3 is worse than what made her leave in 1x07. Syd, unlike Carmy, is more aware of the kind of treatment she does and doesn't deserve.)

So we can assume as their conversation comes to a close and Shapiro walks off giving her a minute alone to think, Syd's mind is on Carmy and the reason only she knows, why she hasn't told him.

Well just after Shapiro walks away and Syd has her moment to think Big White Cloud by John Cale plays through the next few shots

(Syd's in a room full of wine bottles, mind you. I don't wanna divert the topic too much but in the table scene, the wall of alcohol bottles is always behind, above and "weighing down" Carmy's side of the table for the entire 5 minute zoom in. The table they're both fixing "their side of" which represents their relationship and them "keeping their side of the street clean." <<Thank you to @yannaryartside for writing this incredible meta! I think the bottles represent Carmy and him being a type of addict, in repeating traumatic patterns, not necessarily an alcoholic.)

The chrous of the song repeats the same lyrics over and over again starting from the last shot of Sydney and ending at the first shot of Carmy, with a Chef Terry & Syd parallel transition scene connecting them.

The lyrics:

Oh I love it, yes I love it Oh I love it so Oh I love it, yes I love it Oh I love it so Oh I love it, yes I love it

I think the song is about more than just Carmy, but I think it's also strongly about Carmy. Especially based on all the questions Shapiro was asking right before it. It's also about the restaurant Syd's been building and everyone working there too, but I think this might be subliminally telling us why Syd hasn't told Carmy yet and why she doesn't want to. She loves the restaurant, she loves the family they've built there together and the most painful, frustrating part that's keeping her from jumping at Shapiro's offer is she loves Carmy.

The Syd and Shapiro scene ends with Syd walking out and if the camera was following her like it follows Chef Terry in the video, we would be seeing Syd's back walk away. Instead the next shot is CT's back walking away. She walks up to this hanging art thing, stops to admire it for a second, then sees Carmy pass behind her and goes to find him.

The Chef Terry transition scene makes it seem like these two scenes of Syd & Carmy aren't connected by this song but the CT scene is a mirror of this scene of Syd looking at the same art earlier in the episode:

In both scenes the art is in the shot first, Syd/Chef Terry walk into the shot, they stop to admire the artwork for a second, (they linger a bit longer in CT's scene to drag out the space between the shots of Syd & Carmy while this song is playing) then they both walk away to find Carmy.

They also walk in the same way. The CT scene is the perspective we would've seen if the camera follwed behind Syd like this when she walked up to the art when she arrived but the camera in Syd's scene is waiting where the scene ends in the hallway that Syd walks down. You can see the same plant in front of the grey wall on the left of CT that's on Syd's left as she walks past, the design on the white wall, the flower arrangement ahead that Syd walks towards etc

The scenes are almost identical, they're just shot from different angles so they look and feel completely different. But imagine if it was Syd in CT's scene, the resulting conversation Chef Terry had with Carmy outside is exactly the kind of open, honest conversation Syd & Carmy need to have.

Also notice Syd walks down the hallway into the restaurant to find Carmy but finds a very absent, unfocused version of him. Chef Terry turns back the way she came and goes out of the restaurant to find Carmy and she finds a more present, attentive version of him. Sydcarmy deperately need to connect outside of work. It was magical when they did in the apartment in 2x02 but then he didn't show up to Kasama and started dating Claire...which shouldn't have been an issue if their connection & story was just about work & friendship!

The song continues to play and as the third "oh I love it" comes in we go to a shot of Carmy with his back to us facing a bright artificial light. (Remember he left Syd behind in the restaurant? Syd is represented by natural light, not artificial light and we know it's likely Carmy goes back to Claire in S4, hence him looking into the artificial light here with his back to the restaurant where Syd is. And maybe coincidence, maybe not, the last line Syd said before the song started playing was "I'm right behind you". Chef Terry, who was just mirrored to Syd, walks up behind him.)

Also the clothes rail on the left looks very similar to the one we saw Sydney picking her chef's coat from in 3x09 while trying to figure out how to break the news to either Carmy or Shapiro and those look like Chef's coats, just like Sydney had on hers.

And I just left the start of the conversation between Carmy & Chef Terry in because it sounds so sydcarmy coded, further making the point that these scenes are connected to their story together.

Chef Terry tells Carmy later in their talk that she's closing the restaurant because she just wants to go out and live life and Carmy seems to think about that and wonder if he could have that too. Considering Carmy's willing to bend over backwards to keep Syd around and doesn't seem to give anywhere near the same energy to anyone else, I'd say he wants to be able to do that with Sydney but doesn't feel like it's possible because she wants a star and he's determined to make her happy, even if that means suffering in the darkest parts of his mind for months just to get it for her.

[unladyboss]

SYDNEY SHOULD GO: JUST LEAVE THE BEAR SEASON 3

But not with this guy. Not Adam Shapiro

This

Seems like he's stressful because he's pushy and intrusive

He wants to rush her decision when he hasn't secured a location.

He tried to bad talk Carmy

He tried to get her to disrespect Carmy when he just met her

I'm mad at Carmy but I'm not letting some weirdo say bad things

He curses at good workers as seen in season 2

He looked at Sydney a little too long while pressing her to make a decision. He might harrass her

Luca who seems like a nurturer doesn't like him

Also I think I see a vision of what could be.

If Chef Terry gives these guys the restaurant

Who knows? CDC of EVER (RENAME OF COURSE)

CDC PLUS 7 FISHES if you include Marcus and Tina in this picture

[gingergofastboatsmojito]

S4 Spoiler alerts

Their names are the biggest spoiler alerts ever

The C person

C will end up “Clairefying” for Carmy that he’s an emotional cheater. We might need to end up fucking thanking her for opening Carmy's eyes. Her whole role is to make this clear to him → as her name clearly indicates. And those scenes may have already been shot actually, so we're clear.

Luca

Luca will “bring light” into all the things Syd wants to keep in the dark. Also, as his name indicates from the very get go.

Shapiro

Shapiro, which means “sapphire”:

will end up being the bringer of SINCERITY into Syd's life, she will have to tell herself the truth to make the decision he's putting her in the position to make with his offer. And that decision will be a proof of faithfulness Syd will offer Carmy (improvement in their relationship).

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[spywhitney]

I don't know about Adam.

I'm trying to keep a neutral opinion on him. Though I want to touch on the reactions his character has gotten after season 3.

I can understand the opinion that he doesn't plan, he's being pushy with Syd and him putting down Carmy is indicative that he's not a good person and/or it's a valid reason to at least be sceptical.

But when it comes the idea he has a thousand long resentment towards Carmy, intends to tear his empire down and kidnap Syd is where I'm like okay, that's kind of a stretch.

And don't get me wrong, I get it. Carmy is the main character, anything that's against him we as viewers are inclined to be against. Whether you ship Syd and Carmy, or not, it wouldn't matter if Adam was good, or even if he was similar to Carmy. The reaction would be more or less the same.

To end this, I don't think Adam has done anything that terrible and we don't really know him. He could very well turn out to be a villain, but that doesn't make Carmy a better option for Syd to choose. Carmy is the option we as the audience care about, but from season 1-3, Syd is worse off from knowing him, being at the bear or however you want to flip it.

I may add more to this later, but that's it on his character for now.

[roboyomo]

adam and carmie infested my mind for a moment so i had to draw them. consider the critters

[currymanganese]

Fak is too involved in Carmy and Claire's relationship. From giving Claire Carmy's number to showing up at her job with his equally annoying brother. He needs to mind his business and stop assuming what Carmy wants. In s3 ep9 Fak tells Claire he thinks (then later says knows) Carmy loves her. If you don't know Carmy's true feelings about her, why tf are you speaking for him?

Also sometimes it seems like Carmy doesn't even like Fak like that. They rarely have one-on-one scenes together and their conversations are mostly surface leveI. I always thought Fak and Richie were closer. In s2 ep3, when Claire and Carmy are talking on the phone, Carmy says Fak isn't his best friend (but then backtracks 5 seconds later saying he's probably my best friend). Then in s3 ep5 when they are preparing for the photoshoot, Fak said Carmy was #1 on his best friends list. The friendship is obviously unbalanced. Fak is one of those childhood friends you have outgrown but keep in your life due to history and familiarity. This is just another example of Carmy being stuck in the past and not being able to let go. He either needs to set some boundaries with Fak or end the friendship.

I love your blog btw. Your analysis on The Bear are very thorough.

*EXTREMELY HOT TAKE INCOMING*

Thanks for the kind compliments / thanks for the ask, but I'm starting to think that, if my suspicions are correct, that depending on how season 4 goes, that she and The Faks may shape up to be fantastic characters, at least from a trollish comedic parody perspective - and that this may be a huge 'star making role' for Molly Gordon and the rest of actors cast as the Faks if what is being set up is executed well post-reveal, and they demonstrate that, contrary to what we have seen thus far on the show, they definitely have acting range.....

Because I'm like 88% sure now that Claire x Carmy x Sydney's love triangle is an allegory/deconstructed (in part) version of Lilith x Adam x Eve from apocryphal / Jewish tradition. And that 'Sammy' Fak may be an archangel Samael figure

Lilith is Adam's first wife apocryphally and in Jewish mysticism that left him and became a she-demon / mother of demons / the "queen of the night" after being impregnated by / becoming a consort of the archangel Samael (whose name means Venom of God and is a seducing/destroying angel).

My thoughts are too incoherent right now to make a post about this theory in its own right, but all of the above could explain why the scenes where Claire is physically intimate with Carmy are shot in darkness and low light, compared to warm /well lit scenes when Syd and Carmy are emotionally intimate; it could explain why the songs that play during Carmy and Claire's scenes are frequently morbid or are outright about death, or lyric less ambient scores that invoke the feel of psychological horror,

and why mostly love songs are played for Carmy and Syd's.

I've made some posts /edits pointing out the parallels between Claire / Carmy / Syd and these biblical / mythological figures, and a post on why I think John Cena as Sammy Fak is a case of good casting (from a comedy perspective) if the Faks are really meant to serve the function that I think they are meant to below;

but some additional similarities between Claire and Lilith are that they were 'created' in the same way, 'formed from the same dust', as their 'Adam' (whose name can also mean red clay/earth and Claire's last name means mud or muddy fortress) - since Carmy and Claire both come from the same neighborhood/highschool and, depending on how much we see of Claire in the future, they may have both come from dysfunctional homes / be the adult children of alcoholic parents.

The posts I linked below are:

1. A webweaving on Sydcarmy + Adam x Eve parallels;

2. A fan edit that I did that was inspired by the webweaving; side note: if Carmy's words to Sydney at the end of their first convo was foreshadowing for them starting a literal nuclear family of their own, and how many kids they're gonna have, I'll scream;

"We're gonna make family, it's meat, (👀) plus three, and we'll eat around two."

3. A reblog add-on to @espumado et. al's @thoughtfulchaos773 @vacationship @kdbleu 's etc. thread on the theme of haunting / religious / mythological imagery and parallels in the show in season 3.

4. Another thread on religious symbolism in Season 3 and Claire and Syd / Carmy's relationship kicked off by @vacationship.

5. Another reblog add on I made in response to @glitterslag about the episode Review in Season one possibly representing/parodying the biblical "Fall of man".

6. A fan edit that I made for clairecarmy with the intent of being humourous at first, but unexpectedly turned out pretty nightmarish / psychological horror-esque without much work because the material/ dark imagery is there; including an eye opening parallel between Claire and Donna.

7. A post on the Bear being a super deconstructed Shakespearean pastoral comedy e.g. like As You Like It.

8. The religious symbolism of Carmy's red string of fate dish for Syd possibly being a visual allusion to the sacred heart of jesus, which is an emblem of God's long suffering and passionate love, an add-on to @twokisses post

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[freedelusionshere]

Why Demon Chef David has reappeared and what it might mean for S4

I've had this thought about Chef David and what he represents for a while now. His NYC restaurant is called Empire and he targets and abuses a younger Carmy (probably because he won an award at such a young age), but he basically instills a lot of values in Carmy that are about elitism and being "the best" (thinking about you $11K Dystopian Butter) that are actually at odds with who Carmy clearly wants to be. It's at odds with everything that he learned from other chefs who have taken more of a nurturing approach that still exist in the fine dining world.

This comes up several times in the narrative, with his family basically calling him elitist, and part of that is jealousy, I think, about how he was able to escape the turmoil in Chicago. But it later turns out to be true when Carmy tries to lone wolf his way to the Michelin star, acting like only he can accomplish it when he's only previously retained one, never won one himself, and making kind of lifeless food that is a rehash of what he learned at Empire. And in fact, still admires David's talent although he's his abuser.

Syd is tied directly to the moment when Carmy starts to break away from Chef David, by defying him and making a dish the way he wants to make it. I won't be surprised if we find out later that he saw Syd eating the dish, either, and remembers her when she comes into The Beef and brings up Empire.

We also see mentioned several times that Empire has failen from its top position. Luca and Syd both mention this. Also in Forks, when Richie brings the table the Chicago pizza reworked by Chef Adam, diners talk about how the food scene in Chicago (at Ever in particular) is way better than NYC at the moment, and they laugh about it. We also see Chef Adam berate staff about smudging plates at Ever which we later learn he's mocked for being the one doing it. Meanwhile Chef Terry is calmly peeling mushrooms before service because she likes to do this and invites Richie to participate. This is in contrast to Adam. All this is foreshadowing.

Which led me to ask: why is Chef David at Ever's funeral to begin with when he's a known asshole that no one likes? It made me wonder if David was an investor in Ever when it first began and one of Terry's missteps and regrets. Terry talks a lot in the S3 finale about various mistakes she's made over the years, but the good that came out of it: the people. We also see in S2 that Chef Terry owns the restaurant in Copenhagen Marcus trains at and that Luca is at, the "Every Second Counts" sign is there.

Could Terry be closing Evers to rid herself of both Chef David and Chef Adam? She has other restaurants elsewhere. That are ostensibly run well and are not closing, that she no longer leads.

Which brings me to S4 and Chef Adam poaching Syd from The Bear to work for his new restaurant, which is happening in a hot food scene in Chicago and immediately will replace Ever (Adam is wanting to make this all happen very fast) with Chef David as an investor again. This would also kind of bring the moment Syd first had Carmy's blood orange hamachi dish and the narrative significance of that full circle, but played out in reverse, because I don't think Syd will be submissive to Adam or David.

Likewise, I could see Terry potentially becoming an investor in The Bear, stepping up to replace Cicero's failing financing, as long as Carmy promises her that he won't repeat those mistakes that they have both made along the way and lead to The Bear finally being legit and successful the way Mikey always dreamed, with The Beef still in operation at the window (which funny enough could get the Michelin star).

This could set up Carmy and Syd as rivals temporarily (which would be fun), but I don't predict any of that will last too long and in fact I think Carmy will be supportive of Syd and try to win her back FOR REASONS (aka "I can't do this without you. Wouldn't even want to.") Syd might not know who Chef Adam's investors are at all at this point, and she of course has every right to not want to put up with Carmen's shit, but also the narrative has set her up to run and try to start over again because of trust issues (she mentions this to Marcus in S1) and the show will want to reconcile that.

[outmakingmoonshine]

I wrote this in response to this post about Adam Shapiro but I didn't wanna hijack OP's post as I was replying to @freedelusionshere comment anyway so i'll put it here instead.

I agree the way Shapiro's character has been presented seems suspicious. Like a lot of things on this show it's portrayed subtly and indirectly but purposefully.

It's interesting to me that Syd had no idea who he was even after she stopped to look at him, until he said his name and she recognized it as a chef from Ever. But he knew who she was and seemed to know enough details about her role at The Bear to ask her to do an almost identical job for him the next time they met. How did he know she was capable of all that?

All the articles we've seen about in the show don't mention Syd, they don't credit her with helping to build the restaurant or even mention that Carmy is partnered with another chef. As far as we know her work isn't being publicly acknowledged and nobody outside of the staff and Emmanuel (and possibly Claire) know how much Syd's done there, so how does Shapiro seem to be aware of details you don't just pick up eating at a restaurant "under the radar" one time?

Richie worked at Ever for a week in S2 but he wasn't exactly Syd's biggest fan then so if he did talk about her I doubt he made her role at The Bear sound like a good thing or said positive things about the changes she'd made to make Shapiro want to poach her.

Shapiro said he ate at The Bear with friends, maybe one of them told him. But again, how do they know? The show makes it seem like Syd's full role at The Bear isn't public knowledge. Especially not the kind of details Shapiro seemed aware of.

Syd told a couple of chefs Carmy's her partner in S2 and judging by the lack of Syd mentions in the articles, I'd imagine they're probably thinking "I told you so" right now...but this does seem like the most plausible way he could know. It's still a flimsy connection imo bc the show has given us no other outside acknowledgement for Syd's work at The Bear. No other chef mentioned it or congratulated her in 3x10, even Chef Terry who congratulated Carmy then partied with Syd at her apartment didn't mention it to her. I assumed Luca would have an idea through Marcus or Carmy but he didn't say anything about it either and there was plenty of opportunity in their conversation. Shapiro is the only other chef who's congratulated her or mentioned it.

Knowing this doesn't necessarily make him a bad person, maybe he just noticed the negative environment of The Bear and decided to offer Syd an opportunity but it does make you wonder how he knows so much and no one else seems to. Maybe the show just does a bad job at portraying that it's public knowledge but judging by their usual level of attention to detail in storytelling, I don't think that's the case.

I guess Shapiro could know other chefs Syd's worked with in the past but getting info from them then approaching Syd the way he did without mentioning that is also just weird. And how would he know she can single handedly build a restaurant from scratch to the point of giving her complete creative control?

If it was sudden for Carmy to offer Syd such a big role in building his dream restaurant after months of working together in S1, it's very strange for Shapiro to offer Syd an almost identical offer but even better, after only meeting her twice.

Plus he says he doesn't want it to be "a gross poaching" but what else do you call asking someone who's already trying to build a restaurant with a chef he personally knows to basically abandon that project to come build his business full time instead? A decent person with good intentions would've spoken to Carmy and Syd together or at least gave Carmy a heads up that he planned to offer his CDC an opportunity to work for him instead. And Shapiro made that offer hard to refuse, even Syd knew it seemed too good to be true. That in itself is such a shady thing to do.

The definition of poaching in business: "Poaching is when an employer actively approaches, or 'head hunts', someone who is already employed by, or working at, another organisation, as opposed to advertising a vacancy and going through a usual recruitment process." [Source]

Shapiro can dress it up all he wants, poaching is the literal definition of what he's doing and the way he's gone about it is "gross" bc it's not like Carmy is a stranger to him, Syd was a stranger though.

His character has been subtly presented as someone who shouldn't be trusted imo. Kinda like Claire in S2. There seems to be no reason to dislike them on the surface but if you look beneath the surface there are plenty of reasons, too many to be a coincidence. Maybe Shapiro's not a good guy or maybe it's deliberate misdirection, either way I think he's been presented as a slightly suspicious character on purpose.

[unladyboss]

SYDNEY DEFENDS CARMY TO THE END

When Adam Shapiro tells Sydney he really liked the scallop dish but it was unlike Carmy, Sydney was quick to say that it was both of theirs.

That was her way of defending Carmy

But also her way of showing solidarity. Meaning that they worked on it together.

In fact Carmy had modified Sydney's dish on his own, telling her the cook was good but he subtracted and modified. That they didn't need the other six fishes.

So in fact it was VERY MUCH LIKE CARMY. VERY NEW

But Sydney in an attempt to defend him and the bear inserted herself into it.

Geez that must have been embarrassing for her.

Now that I think about it, old SYDNEY might have said immediately, ' actually that was ALL Carmy's. He came up with some new ideas and we are trying them out.'

This new dejected Sydney, just wants to fit SOMEWHERE with Carmy. Have a voice with him. But he's not letting her.

[boardchairman-blog]

**Shots of the Episode**

The Bear (2022)

Season 2, Episode 4: “Honeydew” (2023) Director: Ramy Youssef Cinematographer: Adam Newport-Berra

[ambeauty]

Now I’m watching Burnt, it’s currently on Netflix, wondering why the Sydcarmys didn’t put me on!!! THERE’S SO MANY PARALLELS!

Adam is a mix of Carmy/Mikey with Sydney’s ambition!

Helene is Sydney.

Tony is Richie.

JUST WATCH IT. I’m feeling so many feelings!!