Remembered the Iron John story and how I had that takeaway of "damn that kid's parents are shitty" so I went to read it again to see if it really was the case or my brain jumped to conclusions from reading so many fairy tales one after the other
they're not that bad textually but think about the implications and they are
anyway, there's a minor character at the start who asks to go in the forest that got forbidden because everyone who gets there never comes back, and when the king rightfully refuses, the guy insists that he'll do it because he doesn't care about fear. and then when arm rises from the swamp to take his dog, his reaction is to simply call three guys to help him empty the swamp, then captures the swamp man. There's no mention of him getting a reward and he's never to be seen again.
This feels like you could put the youth who went forth to learn what fear is in that guy's role, and now I think I'm gonna have to make an Iron John kid ocs. He and Shiv can become friends.
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