#cait the woman you are

[razitouu]

[kurthummeldeservesbetter]

I feel like something that should have been explored more in Arcane is that despite the dangers and pretty much horrific conditions, Zaun children seemingly grow up a lot more caring and have a larger understanding of family in comparison to Piltover children. And if such a reflection of the real world in a sense.

The kids of Zaun seemingly grow up with a lot more adult support. Ekko is easily welcomed under Benzo’s wings. Vander adopts 4 kids (two of which we learn he knew of before their parents death, two of which we can’t be sure of). Silco, despite all what happened, and his ulterior motives, shows no problem adopting Powder/Jinx. In the alternate universe it seems as though he’s still played a part in the kids lives. Jinx adopts Isha easily and Sevika cares for her as well. Hell, even Mr. War Crimes Against Humanity does well with little Viktor (until ya know, the animal abuse).

Hell, up until Vander dies (the first time) there seems to be a large understanding of if there’s an orphan or a kid in need of guidance, take them in! (And certainly don’t inform them of your plans to turn a giant pink salamander into drugs and be confused when a nine year old doesn’t understand). If a kid wants to be your apprentice, let them! For the most part, until things all went wrong in the end of act 1 of season 1, the worst parts of Zaun seem pretty typical for any city in poverty.

Match that with what we see with how Caitlyn and Jayce grow up. Caitlyn is given adult support, yes, and it’s clearly a good adult mentor, but it’s not entirely by her choice. It’s been chosen for her. She’s safe, but there’s a lack of freedom of choice. Meanwhile, when Jayce gets older, and that same accident in Act 1 happens, the family that supported him and his mom turns their backs. His own mom doesn’t support him either, because she’s afraid of what he’s talking about, but also because he’s damming them to being outcasts.

Conversely, Vander is more than willing to take the fall for what Claggor, Milo, Vi and Powder did. He’s willing to go to prison for a long time, in order for them to have a better future. Despite Vi’s best efforts, he’s not going to listen to her (she is just a kid) and he’s not letting his family go down and get hurt.

Meanwhile, a man who grew up in this mentality, where there’s a wide sense of family support from people who aren’t your biological family, is the one to go to Jayce, a stranger, and tells him he believes in him. It’s why it’s such a shock to Jayce; his own family and family friends denied him. They didn’t support him.

I think that’s what makes all the difference. Piltover and Zaun have wildly different understandings of family and forgiveness. For Piltover, it shuns and damns the lives of those who upset the balance. For Zaun, it provides safety and never ending understanding.

Just. I’m thinking.

[janitorpostman]

people who are like "oh no they ruined Caitlyn she is on the bad side now" am I the only one glad that Caitlyn's character took this turn? She was the face of the enforcers to the viewers for such a long time. She was kind, compassionate and diligent, the perfect "good cop".

But that's not a fair representation of the enforcers now, is it.

Vi and Powder were orphaned by enforcers. Kind? No.

When in order to survive, they snuck into Piltover to steal goods to sell them, it was enforcers's job to catch and punish these kids, no questions about what kinda life drove these children to do that asked. Compassionate? No.

When Vi got kidnapped arrested. She was put in prison for 6+ years, I doubt there was ever a due court process to determine whether this child was really guilty and deserved imprisonment or not. Diligent? No.

[starrycassi]

I will write this tomorrow but I don't wanna forger: au where Powder gets a scholarship like Viktor for the academy and she's thirteen and kinda just living on fumes because they're overworking her ass and traveling from school to home is draining. So vi takes her to and from most days on an old beat up hoverboard.

One day, like five blocks before they arrive, half asleep because they all (yes, even Milo) stood up until like three amo helping powder finish her big final presentation (because no one wanted to team with her) and powder goes very very still and Vi just knows something is wrong.

"...what happened?"

"I needed to bring everything. For my project. I have the project. I have the presentation. I have everything.... Except for the gunpowder"

And going back would take at least half an hour. And half an hour more to come again is an hour and they're already kinda titgth with time so they ask Milo to come but while they're waiting they say "yeah dude fuck it" and start knocking on doors to ask if someone has gunpowder that they can borrow. Pretty please. Of course no one gives them fucking gunpowder because they're like 17 and 13.

Until they knock on the Kiramman door and a blue-haired, wide eyed teen comes out.

[idkwhatimdoingbutslay]

Seeing the opinions on whether or not Caitlyn got a significant enough comeuppance is so interesting — especially since some have pointed out that wanting Caitlyn to suffer wouldn’t do anything, the desire to see her humiliated is ineffective at best.

Also thinking about this in tandem with Still Water and weaponization of (righteous?) punishment. What exactly is a just punishment? What exactly is an effective apology? How does punishment and law and order exist in a subjective world? How do those things exist in a world full of emotion? How do we, mere mortals, even determine any of these things? Not to mention the part elitism and the class divide plays in any of this.

In my personal opinion, Caitlyn turned the tides in the exact way she should have come act III. She kept Jinx safe, fed, away from Still Water Hold and aided in her escape. She accepted all of her mistakes and faults. She went to war for the right thing, stepped outside of herself for others, for the cause. She gave up her seat on the council and ended the series providing love for someone who’s been so desperate for it her entire life.

Caitlyn did so many awful things, but how do we even measure that and level it with a just punishment as a collective? Maybe Caitlyn doesn’t deserve any good things ever again after all she did, but how exactly would we enact/dictate that? Is rehabilitation only afforded to people who have experienced the punishment they “deserve”? How do we measure what one “deserves”? Is the cycle of violence real and is it actually never ending?

Is all the good that Caitlyn could ever do after the fact enough to mend all the mistakes she made during?

So many questions lmao

[rakkikuroba]

Women who don’t conform to the "society norms for women"??? Chief kiss best women. I DON’T WANT HER YOUNG AND SUBMISSIVE. I WANT HER TO PUT ME IN A BOX???

Minthara with her pretty older woman face and her deep deep voice????

Cait with her rudeness and her thick Irish accent???

Marguerit Maida???? JILL FUCKING VALENTINE??? AMANDA YOUNG!

[ninkaku]

strange behaviour from the arcane fandom when a woman that has relations with another woman goes down a darker path and people condemn her whereas if she was a man in love with another man this would be lapppped up as “toxic yaoi”. please get a grip

[aingeal98]

Arcane S2 act 2 musings but one thing I love from this act is how young Caitlyn comes across. Not to excuse her actions I love how dark and villainous she became but it's also a massive condemnation of Piltover, that Ambessa was able to convince them to make a grieving young woman who can't be older than 22 their dictator. When she's talking to Singed and the fury in her voice is so palpable (fantastic VA work btw) and you can tell she's sooo close to snapping but she also sounds so very Young. Singed even comments on it! She's headstrong and smart but she's also a girl who just lost her mother and thanks to the system she can channel her grief and anger into horrifying acts of oppression against innocents. The system should not have been designed in such a way where this was easily possible and yet here we are. Act 1 Caitlyn I was mostly fascinated at how her grief was warping her sense of justice and replacing her compassion with ruthlessness driven by guilt but act 2 somehow managed to make me feel even more uneasy because every scene she was in I just kept thinking she should not be here. She should not have this much power. You've given the nuclear codes to a child and the only adult supervising her is one who thinks nukes are great when used right on their enemies. What are we doing here she should be at the club!

[thats-how-i-like-it]

hi, here's a little vijinx - another love (tom odell) edit (feat. caitvi)

[chillinglikeashilling]

Ok I think this is going to be my last post about Arcane until the next batch of episodes drop but

It's so interesting to me how intentionally or unintentionally Jinx and the chem barons reflect back onto Piltover magnified mirrors of the harm Piltover does to Zaun.

Piltover sends enforcers down into Zaun to put down their push for independence (thereby denying Zaunites the right of self determination) - ok Jinx is going to launch a Rocket at the site of Piltover's leaders.

Jayce goes down into Zaun and uses the Enforcers and drops his (very literal) hanmer to brute force enact his will on the people in that factory and ends up killing a child- ok then that child's mother is going to come up here and use a massive chainsaw to hurt Jayce.

Caitlyn goes down into Zaun and releases The Grey ("strategically") into their streets- ok here's all that Grey back.

The last one is the greatest too because literally all Jinx did was add paint and increase the volume of wind. Piltover is acting like there's been this huge chemical attack, but this is how Zaun lives everday. The Grey wasn't a problem when the Zaunites were breathing it in everyday was it?

[innerreviewdreamer]

when she says I love you and not "I am the dirt under your nails, cupcake. Nothing's gonna clean me out"

[nakakabagot]

this was my vision from the last post i just didn’t wanna drop spoilers out of nowhere plus it was funnier without context lowkey

[paldogangsaan]

i get the heart of all those 'cait's actions are understandable but not excusable' posts and i get that she's shaped by her environment but like,,, no, i don't think her actions are understandable or excusable, actually. me personally i think collective punishment of an oppressed people and martial law are unequivocally Bad and require a pathological lack of empathy and dehumanization of others that i find unconscionable. i think most all agents of an oppressive state are Bad bc they directly support a system built on exploitation. cops are bad and soldiers are also Bad. more importantly a grown woman exploiting an oppressive system for her own personal vendetta is Bad. evil, even. but ofc you can like her anyway and when one side has all the power then it's quite literally physically impossible for it to be a 'complex issue' where 'both sides are bad/have bad people'. one side has people reacting to being oppressed and brutalized for decades. the other controls everything and has all the power and supports a system that was built on and actively supports the exploitation of others. it's very clear who the oppressors are, actually

and the point of cait's character this season (so far) is how easily privileged people become fucking evil, with full support of the system, when they experience an ounce of suffering that in no way compares to the suffering that oppressed people experience on the daily, yet don't become evil fascists over. losing your mom as a grown woman is hard for sure, i'm not denying that. being a child and losing her, your father and your friends, seeing your community be brutalized for your entire life and not even having the space to grieve or the power to do anything about it, is dare i say significantly worse. and that's something that isn't exclusive to jinx, it's a lived reality for nearly every single person in the undercity. the grace you're giving cait is one you haven't extended to every single oppressed person who has YEARS of brutalization to justify their hatred for every single person contributing to and supporting an inhumane system

point is seeing you guys justifying cait's actions and infantilizing her when she's a grown woman who knows exactly what she's doing is,,,, something.

[qu4kerider]

“You've changed.”

ARCANE S02E03 & STAR WARS: EPISODE III - REVENGE OF THE SITH

[calo-wav]

(lustfully, twirling my hair) i know she smells just terrible….

[sarellathesphinx]

Hey did you guys know Reeve is the one who had to tell Elmyra and Marlene that Aerith died in the original game. I think about this constantly