#bnha discourse

[derseprinceoftbd]

So how's discourse doing? This good or bad? Who deserved what?

[veroverse21]

MHA has been so problematic from the get go and the ending made it worse.

Ugh.

Why can’t mangas just end normal?!

At least Ochako remained single and didn’t become a housewife unlike Hinata, Sakura and Orihime, that’s the only good thing.

But the ending felt so flat.

That’s just me though

It's not problematic and neither was the ending.

Who cares if characters became a housewife? It's just a story. The ending was fine.

[tonya-the-chicken]

You know I saw your response to the character ask thingy about Da/bi and how you got influenced a lot by his fans(of course you had the other reason too)! It’s made me come to a conclusion - his stans are literally his own worst enemy 😂🤣! Like obviously people will hate him for other reasons, but having engaged with a lot of peeps I seen such a huge amount of people voicing their distaste for the character not because of the character himself but because his stans are so annoying & loud & aggressive. That they made others hate him, I personally don’t hate or like him but yeah I’ve came to that conclusion - they’re their characters own worst enemy!

I was way more neutral on him when I saw his fans less, I won't lie! I mean he is the type of person I'd hate (very infantile, a literal manchild) but I just didn't care enough and even found his plotline intriguing. At the same time, it annoys me to the bone how people try to make him a cool revolutionary and not a cruel murderer with father issues. Like, be real. This is a whole-ass manchild. A 25-year-old that acts like he is still 5. You can enjoy these types of characters, sure but you can't just close your eyes and pretend this isn't the most immature butchboy the world has seen. It just pisses me off so much when fans create so much fanon it doesn't resemble the original character anymore... I also feel like it's under-addressed how his infantilism is BAD and not uwu he was traumatized so it's ok

I am also really into parents murdering children (Taras Bulba will do that for you) and am kind of disappointed that it's all about saving our precious baby boy Tooya and not preventing him from committing more murder. Like. Think of the victims for a moment, ok?

[transhawks]

*posts that are going to get you a box of my favorite orange flavored chocolates mailed to your doorstep (anyways, yeahh!! Lmao, it was so wild to me to read a post that lists everything Hawks did and I’m going like yeah!!! And then it ends off with something like “and that’s why I hate him and he’s evil incarnate” we are two different people lmaoo, I feel like you’re the only appreciated of unhinged Hawks on this site. He can be a sad little chirp chirp while still being crazy. So r other ppl

That sounds delicious actually. In all seriousness I had to disengage with actual Hawks "haters" in late 2020. I was very critical of him, argued with Hawks apologists (specifically in the whole Twice aspect) left and right, was getting frustrated at people just ignoring the clear references to the current political situation in the work, but seeing the actual Hawks hate hurt the nonetheless. I'm really lucky that a bunch of us in the Jinkei server and dbhwks spaces were really down to clown him and roast him, but there was still an element of at least finding him an interesting character if not liking him. A lot the hardcore Hawks haters not only didn't find him distasteful (which isn't wrong imho) but also felt that anyone who felt he was interesting was approving of his actions.

I had to justify why I liked him as a character to so-called friends, even a beloved best friend. Why I found him interesting - as if that invalidated my well-worn anarchist/leftist ideals and years of them and all the political activism and organizing I got involved in my late teens/early twenties. It was like... a very cruel time. I have a whole personality disorder that makes me think in polarities and extremes, and that space and group on here was not helping.

And then his development seemed to stagnate (or more I just didn't really understand what Horikoshi was doing with him) and I don't know, I clung on to what I originally liked. It really took reevaluating the entire manga and starting to find all of him funny to really, truly love him again.

He's a fascinatingly complicated character, incredibly well-crafted by Horikoshi, and I'd say among his top-tier written characters, like Tomura or Dabi. Now, that's on his *complexity*, nothing else. Not that I go looking for such opinions, but I'm going to clarify that and save some Hawks haters time gossiping about me saying "Hawks is a good as Dabi or Tomura according to local Hawks-obsessive transhawks", nah, we're talking about complexity and his narrative. Those things are very different than the character being ethical, not that any of them are.

And! And! It's okay to like the confusing, unhinged characters who bring chaos! 2020 me could never understand loving All For One, but he's so fascinatingly hypocritical and hilarious that he's quickly becoming a favorite.

I just regret we spent so much time as a fandom ascribing moral values to liking certain characters rather than just fucking enjoying them as they are. That wasn't healthy. That wasn't right of us, or me, specifically. I'm still someone who believes that the fiction/reality argument is bunk and not understanding that there isn't an actual separate space or how much any sort of art medium affects and shapes our values is a big problem, but I think when we started saying that anyone finding a character interesting was condoning their actions was when the plot was lost.

[bnhahottakes]

Amajiki is better boyfriend material than Bakugo

this should not be a hot take

[pinkypastal]

Fandom please...

[amaranthdahlia]

i luv kudou's pretty wife

[moodyvoid]

“I can’t believe people hate Endeavor and like the League of Villains”

The league members are all shown to have faced abuse, neglect, and injustice in their lives that lead them to where they are.

What abuse, neglect, or injustice has Endeavor faced to make him do what he did?

Not as an excuse for their actions, but as an explanation for why people empathize with the league members more than they do with Endeavor.

[chandralia]

IM GONNA BE SICK SHDKDHSSJSH Hori’s really saving him for last,, we’ve got panels of every single character guiding Deku, cheering him on, pushing him through… except Bakugo?

we’re about to get something so incredible

[literally-tomura]

I don't know where this idea that fictionkins can't have memories and that memories are a fictive only thing came from... I keep seeing it (especially on TikTok) and it's incredibly frustrating

Fictionkins definitely have memories. Calling us delusional is one ableist and two just rewashed anti fickin talk

[oshawottmain]

As a multishipper, I didn't care who Deku ultimately ended up with. I just wanted him to be happy. So I'm glad everything's working out in the end.

Please, let's not fight. As always, if canon doesn't live up to your expectations, fanon is always there, but there's no need to crash out or complain or try to undermine anything just because you don't like or disagree with it. Let's just enjoy our favorite fandom together.

[veroverse21]

I literally don’t care no more.

“Bakugo was killed off for being gay,”

“Bakugou was killed off for being homosexual,”

“They sent his gay ass straight to hell!”

BAKUGOU’S SEXUALITY IS IRRELEVANT!

Bakugou is not gay nor is he interested in relationships.

He’s more asexual in my opinion

People really look for anything to complain about, huh?

Bakugou has no sexuality in my opinion because nothing has been confirmed.

[bubblewhale]

I'm just now finding out that people did not like my villain academia arc.

I truly watched bnha for the LOV (besides bkdk).

The main cast is nice and all but if i put on my critical lenses i honestly don't see the hero society as a viable option. Economically and structurally i just don't get it - it's a cult that creates celebrities/heroes who are obviously used as both propaganda and tools of war, under the guise of fighting crime. At this point, heroes serve as either military special op forces or double-agents, or even as nuke level power holders. Either way, they are totally dehumanised soldiers. On the other end, the hero cult itself triggers people becoming villains. It does so by blaming individuals for becoming villains, even when it's obvious that they are direct results of wider structural societal problems. It's shown many times how hate can manifest in families as perfectionism, abuse, obsession, suppression, phobia (Shoto, Dabi, Shigaraki, Toga), poverty and human trafficking (Hawks) and xenophobia and racial (?) discrimination with mutants (Spiner).

The only moment i was hopeful they're gonna address the structural problems was the liberation army attack on the hospital in the war arc. But what was crazy to me is that the hero society held a war prisoner in the basement of a public hospital - using a civilian shield tactic, which is considered a war crime. Spiner's character arc is also extremely sad and unhelpful. Even the school itself becomes a military stronghold.

For the question of family dynamics we get Endeavor atonement arc. But we also get a scene which implies that he sa'd his wife (as if the fact that she was sold to him wasn't enough). The one scene that wasn't believable to me at all was Rei coming to visit Endeavor in the hospital. God bless Shoto, that kid is so strong, understanding perfectly Endeavor is to blame for all that. But it shows that in case of powerful men, sa and child abuse are not treated as crimes, as they should be.

Hawks is another great example of literally being sold and used, similar to Lady Nagant - and nothing is gained from their arcs in the sense of revealing the hidden corruption. Both of them side with the "hero" side in the end, the side that made them do their dirty work for them. He even becomes a murderer because of this but still manages to keep in the public’s good graces by acting as if killing is something he had to do for the greater good, same reason he sided with Endeavor.

Toga is a brilliant representation of discrimination towards a sexual minority but then she dies to save a hero she loves. It's tragic, honestly.

Deku is the only one trying to do something and helping (Shoto, Bakugo, All Might and Shigaraki are some examples) people change their mind and views on heroism/what it means to live righteously. I haven't read the manga so i don't yet understand what Deku losing his quirk could mean but honestly this AFO-OFA tug of war is the most boring part to me.

The show still mostly puts everything down to individual level and blames the villain or makes it somehow personal responsibility of heroes to deal with it.

Thus the league of villains becomes the focal point of the show - their double bind with AFO on one end and heroes on the other.

It just bugs me that the whole show could be read as cop/military propaganda and that our protagonists are basically glorified cops. This is why vigilante Deku arc was so exciting, finally! And this is why the whole concept of the show would be very different if it was made from LOV's pov from the start.

As it is, there's lots of bright and shiny feathers but not much substance in the show. The biggest stars of the show are personal tragedies, sometimes out-shining the main plot and gloriously failing to tie into the bigger picture.

[delawaredetroit]

In retrospect, I actually appreciate how the narrative decided to handle Ochako's crush in this arc.

This scene comes immediately after Izuku decided to glue his Hero Deku mask to his face. This introspection from Ochako doesn't just set up Ochako as a potential love interest: it sets up Ochako as a narrative foil to both Izuku and Toga.

Both Izuku and Ochako determined to suppress part of themselves in this scene to pursue their pro hero ambitions. Izuku suppressed his negative emotions in pursuit of the smiling, confident symbol he is chasing. While Ochako suppressed an arguably positive feeling - a new teenager crush - to avoid any distraction from giving it her all like Izuku.

Toga in contrast, after being forced by others to suppress her desires for years and then snapping, chose not to suppress her feelings at all regardless of the consequences to herself or others. On the other hand, unlike Toga and Izuku*, no one discouraged Ochako from expressing her emotions - because they were within the norm. And it's ironic that it's what Toga told Ochako about what it means to love that was the deciding factor for Ochako to choose to suppress her feelings. Toga feels that love is wanting to become just like that person. Ochako is following Toga's advice by mirroring Izuku's emotional suppression.

*Izuku and Toga also have a common theme of external forces requiring suppression of desires/feelings outside the norm. Izuku's outside the norm desires just involved wanted the agency to reach out to others as a quirkless person rather than expression of romantic feelings. And the other negative feelings he suppresses involve his past that he is forbidden from addressing due to external pressures.

[real-hot-grl-shi]

real shit though i feel like hori did an amazing job at izuocha since season one. People who say that a simple crush on a guy ruins a womans character development from the root especially the love interest being a great guy like izuku has obviously watched the show with their eyes closed. If you favor bakugou/toga (who is a dead teenage girl so shipping her TEENAGE SELF with OCHAKOS TIMESKIP is kinda weird. not the ship itself, but them being in two different age ranges.) thats ok, but please dont bash izuocha just to be petty (like the lavender wedding thingy, like please dont do that knowing izuocha ppl will see it, like putting it on the tags and stuff.) Especially grown women crying about it and the mass blockings?? Like guys its HIS ocs?? its his decision. And he went with the ship thats been implied from the very beginning. And thats ok! you can still keep shipping tgck and bkdk! nobodys stopping you! but please dont bash izuocha in order to do that. thats all i gotta say

also this is only to the toxic fans of bkdk/tgck, the rest of yall are cool ^^

[deranged-fandom-quotes-archive]

Children throwing tantrums when adults read material made by/for adults in a fandom space made by/for adults about objects that don't exist. You are a guest here, mind your own business. Your tantrums aren't going to change a thing in regards to fandom, bkdk or mha.