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This art proves (to me at least) that Hori really prioritizes the yuri fetishization and iron might (even though both sucked) over everything else in the actual story
Yeah. It's interesting to watch Hori react to the (very predictable) backlash to Vol 42 and Ch 431 from fans / and the marketing department trying to do damage control.
BNHA's core support (in terms of events and merch sales) are adult women / especially shippers. Now, many of these are primarily invested in male characters and male ships. There was also support for tgchk, but from the perspective of goods sales, it was always secondary to their main ship (overwhelmingly bkdk), and when tgchk was used to make izch endgame a lot of that support disappeared.
All Might has always been the face of the franchise, and he's fairly popular with the fans and has some ships, but it was never a big sales puller. Also, All Might has lost popularity compared to the first half of the series and never really recovered his place in the Top 10. I think Hori miscalculated that the reason for that was not enough "badass" moments for All Might. But I think in fact it was more due to the fading of the Deku-All Might relationship, with less and less heartfelt "dadmight" moments. Still, I think AM remains fairly uncontroversial and a "safe bet" to draw. But not a character who moves big money.
So the way Hori tries to push his own favorite characters - Toga, Ochako - often causes a pushback from fandom. You don't see much of that on X, as Japanese won't do much criticism on public social media, but on anon boards, there is a lot of vitriol towards especially Uraraka, who is now in some places, the No 1 hated character of the franchise.
I think a lot of the fandom quietly moved on. This reflects with lower overall engagement on Horikoshi's Twitter art, on news on new merch, on lack of hype for Vigilante, etc.
And it's clear that the marketing division took note. Despite tgchk being in the center of the new art, they do not feature much in the merch. Bakugou, Deku, Todoroki all got individual merch, Uraraka didn't. There is BKDK paired stuff, but no izch.
The collection cards don't feature Uraraka, but have Endeavor or Hawks. The entry ticket bonuses have Origin Trio, AM, BKDK, but no Uraraka.
She is only featured in group art, and the Villain-Hero acrylics, where I think they count on Toga's continuing popularity to carry their paired merch. Otherwise it's blind merch - but even there notice how the Origin Trio got adult designs included, but not Uraraka. This shows that the marketing team knows how "toxic" timeskip Uraraka is for the sales and try to limit her.
I'm not sure how much the talk to Hori about this or just quietly line up the products they think they can sell - but it seems to me that Hori is "sulking" about the fan reactions.
The way the Xmas art became controversial - after 431 fandom lamenting the end of the rivalry, and him dropping the "look back when they were rivals, let me add my fave bunny waifu" art. Then the depressed Aizawa / Shiggy art and now this group art, where he seems to put tgchk explicitly into the "Tomura-Deku slot", as if saying to fans, "I don't care what you think or want, I will draw what I want".
Seeing this, Japanese fans are already doomposting both about the fanbook and the art exhibition, resigning themselves to more Ochako content and Horikoshi's favorite female bodies being drawn over and over, despite having made it clear that they want to see more of the fan favorite male characters. They see it as betrayal that despite having made their preferences clear with the (paid-for) votes and merch buys, the author ignores them and refuses to provide the "fan service" they expect.
Now you can of course say that these fans are stupidly entitled and Horikoshi as an artist should draw what he wants. But from the perspective of WSJ/TOHO/Bones, MHA is not just Horikoshi's story, but their franchise which loses value as fans get unhappy and leave. There is plenty of competition with other stories that are happy to cater to their core paying audience.
Another controversy is that the Global Poll website appears to be deleted/ down / down for update (????) and there is no news on the new global Top 10 art, nor the Bakugou statue in any of the announcements. Many Bakugou fans are pissed. Many fans are also worried that Hori will include Uraraka in the Top 10 art, despite being only 11th, because Hori will simply want to draw her.
It's really fascinating to watch this "back-and-forth" between the fandom, author, marketing team which kind of shows how the readers feel like their buying choices and votes creates an entitlement to certain content, while the author wants to both draw the things that excite him, but also feels bad about the criticism and wants only praise and then the marketing team in the middle trying to boost sales anyway they can.
I think Horikoshi really cares about the reader reactions, but instead of giving them what they want, he pushes his favorites even more, trying to make them more appealing which creates an overall even bigger backlash.
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It irks me the way enhox shippers talk abt Rei Todoroki as if she's some kind of obstacle for their ship like borderline misogynistic if u will
#anti-endeavor#rei todoroki#anti-enhawks#like I'm fine w age gaps ships I think their flavorful but there are so many things more wrong abt this ship than the fucking age gap#mha#bnha discourse#I hate every take I've seen from those shippers abt Rei with every bit of my soul#todoroki family#anti endeavor#never speak on the queen again#i can respect the gooning but I don't respect the interpretation#i also hate the way they talk abt the Todoroki siblings
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So how's discourse doing? This good or bad? Who deserved what?
#touya todoroki#shouto todoroki#dabi todoroki#enji todoroki#endeavor#bnha dabi#dabi#todoroki#the hellish todoroki family#discourse#mha discourse#mha critical#bnha critical#bnha discourse#bnha#mha#my hero academia#boku no hero academia
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MHA has been so problematic from the get go and the ending made it worse.
Ugh.
Why can’t mangas just end normal?!
At least Ochako remained single and didn’t become a housewife unlike Hinata, Sakura and Orihime, that’s the only good thing.
But the ending felt so flat.
That’s just me though
It's not problematic and neither was the ending.
Who cares if characters became a housewife? It's just a story. The ending was fine.
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You know I saw your response to the character ask thingy about Da/bi and how you got influenced a lot by his fans(of course you had the other reason too)! It’s made me come to a conclusion - his stans are literally his own worst enemy 😂🤣! Like obviously people will hate him for other reasons, but having engaged with a lot of peeps I seen such a huge amount of people voicing their distaste for the character not because of the character himself but because his stans are so annoying & loud & aggressive. That they made others hate him, I personally don’t hate or like him but yeah I’ve came to that conclusion - they’re their characters own worst enemy!
I was way more neutral on him when I saw his fans less, I won't lie! I mean he is the type of person I'd hate (very infantile, a literal manchild) but I just didn't care enough and even found his plotline intriguing. At the same time, it annoys me to the bone how people try to make him a cool revolutionary and not a cruel murderer with father issues. Like, be real. This is a whole-ass manchild. A 25-year-old that acts like he is still 5. You can enjoy these types of characters, sure but you can't just close your eyes and pretend this isn't the most immature butchboy the world has seen. It just pisses me off so much when fans create so much fanon it doesn't resemble the original character anymore... I also feel like it's under-addressed how his infantilism is BAD and not uwu he was traumatized so it's ok
I am also really into parents murdering children (Taras Bulba will do that for you) and am kind of disappointed that it's all about saving our precious baby boy Tooya and not preventing him from committing more murder. Like. Think of the victims for a moment, ok?
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"This is some gay shit" Good. Silly. Fair enough. Doesn't inherently invalidate other interpretations of the relationship. Honestly yeah, it is kind of gay regardless of their canonical relationship status
"There's literally no platonic explanation for th-" WRONG!! KILLING YOU WITH AMATANORMATIVITY KILLING LOBSTERS 🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞
#i like a good ship as much as the next guy. in fact im mostly a shipper but good lord this phrase pisses me off sometimes#especially when its a relationship that canonically is explicitly platonic to highlight the importance of platonic relationships. COUGH#malevolent#COUGH. <- i ship private eyes. i dont have an issue with it. i think its just when people phrase like that specifically that its a bit HHHH#uhm uhm uhhhh. slips.#jayvik#WOAH. how did that get there (obligatory: i literally ship them. again its just.. the phrasings kind of insanely dismissive of friendships)#amatanormativity#fandom critical#fandom discourse#txt#johnlock#<- AS IN LITERATURE. LIKE. LIKE NOT BBC SPECIFIC (BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUEERBAIT I'M AFRAID)#sashannarcy#<- theyre like. in a polycule to me but that doesnt mean their canonical friendship isnt worth celebrating#dare i say#bnha#mha#rwby#<- I SHIP BUMBLEBY THIS IS NOT ABOUT THEM#lord of the rings#<- again not the ships specifically thats the issue but its just the implication that a romantic reading is like inherently superior#to a platonic one#this isnt even a critique of shipping. i think shippings fine as long as youre willing to acknowledge its not inherently canon (and doesn't#have to be) and dont invalidate or devalue non romantic interpretations
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Fandom please...
#meme#fandom#fandom critical#bnha#genshin impact#childe#tartaglia#batfam#Jason todd#fandom discourse#my art#doctor who#eleventh doctor#raiden shogun#Steven universe#raiden ei#talia al ghul
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i luv kudou's pretty wife
#my hero academia#boku no hero academia#bnha#mha#caption is a referece to some twt discourse ovr kudous hypothetical wife LOL#shigaraki yoichi#yoichi shigaraki
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“I can’t believe people hate Endeavor and like the League of Villains”
The league members are all shown to have faced abuse, neglect, and injustice in their lives that lead them to where they are.
What abuse, neglect, or injustice has Endeavor faced to make him do what he did?
Not as an excuse for their actions, but as an explanation for why people empathize with the league members more than they do with Endeavor.
#like the discourse over this on Twitter is CRAZY#why is everyone so angry over there 💀#bnha#boku no hero academia#my hero academia#mha#league of villains#anti endeavor
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IM GONNA BE SICK SHDKDHSSJSH Hori’s really saving him for last,, we’ve got panels of every single character guiding Deku, cheering him on, pushing him through… except Bakugo?
we’re about to get something so incredible
#I DID SOB YES IT GOT ME I WAS VERY VERY OVERHWELMED AND SO SCARED AND ANXIOUS AND FED UP FROM DISCOURSE#IM JUST ON REPEAT OF PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE#I’m still so terrified…#SHAKING LIKE A WET RAT#‘kacchan and everyone else’ REAL REAL#mha 422#mha spoilers#bnha spoilers#bkdk#dkbk#bakudeku#dekubaku#:’)#ktdk
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I'm more open on ships than anything but sometimes I gotta point out how odd ships can be.
Like how Izocha is so underdeveloped that it makes me genuinely cry.
Or how bakudeku had to grow through sh/t before actually fixing things.
Or how tgchk started off the same foot as bkdk.
I'm happy the people get to ship their ships. Cause like. You can ship the weirdest ship in front of me as long as it's legal. And I wouldn't fkn mind.
But the moment you tell me "character is a homewrecker! They're ruining the ship!" ? ... ?
I'm sorry. WTF DO YOU MEAN.
"Izocha is canon! Uraraka ruined bkdk!!!" THE F/CK SHE DID NOT???
"IZOCHA CANON! YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP SHIPPING YOUR TOXIC BKDK. BAKUGO LITERALLY TOLD HIM TO SWAN DIVE" how the hell does Bakugo ruin izocha.
"tgchk was better! Deku just had to be the main problem" BACK THE FK UP—
BACK THE FK UP. BACK THE FK UP.
if you wanna ship. Then SHIP. don't drag other characters and blame them for your ship not ending up the way you wanted it to.
Don't blame Uraraka bc bkdk couldn't be canon. Horikoshi legit said no ships will be canon.
Don't blame Bakugo for "getting in the way" of izocha. He isn't in the way.
Don't blame Deku for being a wall that separates Uraraka and toga. HE AINT. HE AINT.
At times like this I genuinely wonder what tf is going on through people's heads.
Cause when I ship I don't blame a canon character.
Take it for example I'm a hardcore bkdk shipper. But god do I worship Uraraka. She has matured so much that seeing her fall for Deku at the end makes me genuinely cry.
No this isn't about tgchk. This is just me complaining about how Uraraka doesn't need a man or Deku or toga to be strong and independent.
Toga and Deku were Uraraka's keys of development and what made her mature. To see her linger on them both makes me genuinely sad. Like wdym she's still not over them both? Wdym she still needs them? No she doesn't. She's come so far on her own. God please they don't deserve Uraraka 😭 my queen my girlboss 😭
But back to the main topic.
Shipping is meant to be for fun, but if you diss another character for "getting in the way" of your ship, you might as well just stop being in the fandom at all.
Dissing on my girl like that. MAN F/CK YOU. dissing on Deku and calling him a. Green goblin? F/CK YOU TOO. like back the fk. Up. My kids did nothing wrong. Go shoo. Shoo. Leave this fandom you aren't welcomed here.
This also just doesn't apply to bkdk, izocha nor tgchk btw.
I get pissed every time I see someone shipping two characters then diss another character for getting in the way.
And I'm not dissing the ship here I'm dissing the shipper. Like damn. What typa Wattpad bullsh/t did you read up your a// tf?
To make things short? No. Character does not get in the way of said ship. (Unless you're the man from Nana then I accept)
Come at me. I will protect my kids from your delusional a// they did nothing wrong to get in the way of your ship.
#bnha bkdk#mha bkdk#bkdk#bakudeku#izuocha#togachako#tgchk#toga himiko#bakugou katsuki#katsuki bakugou#bnha bakugou#mha bakugou#izuku midoriya#bnha izuku#mha izuku#himiko x ochako#toga x ochako#mha ochako#ochako urakara#ochako uraraka#togachaco#mha himiko#bnha himiko#shipping discourse#HAVE SOME MEDIA LITERACY. PLEASE. GOD.#nana#boku no hero academia#boku no hero acedamia#my hero acedamia#my hero academia
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I'm just now finding out that people did not like my villain academia arc.
I truly watched bnha for the LOV (besides bkdk).
The main cast is nice and all but if i put on my critical lenses i honestly don't see the hero society as a viable option. Economically and structurally i just don't get it - it's a cult that creates celebrities/heroes who are obviously used as both propaganda and tools of war, under the guise of fighting crime. At this point, heroes serve as either military special op forces or double-agents, or even as nuke level power holders. Either way, they are totally dehumanised soldiers. On the other end, the hero cult itself triggers people becoming villains. It does so by blaming individuals for becoming villains, even when it's obvious that they are direct results of wider structural societal problems. It's shown many times how hate can manifest in families as perfectionism, abuse, obsession, suppression, phobia (Shoto, Dabi, Shigaraki, Toga), poverty and human trafficking (Hawks) and xenophobia and racial (?) discrimination with mutants (Spiner).
The only moment i was hopeful they're gonna address the structural problems was the liberation army attack on the hospital in the war arc. But what was crazy to me is that the hero society held a war prisoner in the basement of a public hospital - using a civilian shield tactic, which is considered a war crime. Spiner's character arc is also extremely sad and unhelpful. Even the school itself becomes a military stronghold.
For the question of family dynamics we get Endeavor atonement arc. But we also get a scene which implies that he sa'd his wife (as if the fact that she was sold to him wasn't enough). The one scene that wasn't believable to me at all was Rei coming to visit Endeavor in the hospital. God bless Shoto, that kid is so strong, understanding perfectly Endeavor is to blame for all that. But it shows that in case of powerful men, sa and child abuse are not treated as crimes, as they should be.
Hawks is another great example of literally being sold and used, similar to Lady Nagant - and nothing is gained from their arcs in the sense of revealing the hidden corruption. Both of them side with the "hero" side in the end, the side that made them do their dirty work for them. He even becomes a murderer because of this but still manages to keep in the public’s good graces by acting as if killing is something he had to do for the greater good, same reason he sided with Endeavor.
Toga is a brilliant representation of discrimination towards a sexual minority but then she dies to save a hero she loves. It's tragic, honestly.
Deku is the only one trying to do something and helping (Shoto, Bakugo, All Might and Shigaraki are some examples) people change their mind and views on heroism/what it means to live righteously. I haven't read the manga so i don't yet understand what Deku losing his quirk could mean but honestly this AFO-OFA tug of war is the most boring part to me.
The show still mostly puts everything down to individual level and blames the villain or makes it somehow personal responsibility of heroes to deal with it.
Thus the league of villains becomes the focal point of the show - their double bind with AFO on one end and heroes on the other.
It just bugs me that the whole show could be read as cop/military propaganda and that our protagonists are basically glorified cops. This is why vigilante Deku arc was so exciting, finally! And this is why the whole concept of the show would be very different if it was made from LOV's pov from the start.
As it is, there's lots of bright and shiny feathers but not much substance in the show. The biggest stars of the show are personal tragedies, sometimes out-shining the main plot and gloriously failing to tie into the bigger picture.
#mha#bnha#lov#mha spoilers#bnha spoilers#league of villains#dabi#touya todoroki#todoroki family#shoto todoroki#toga himiko#tomura shiragaki#anime discussion#anime discourse#discourse#bnha analysis#mha analysis#bnha hawks#mha hawks#hawks#spinner#mha spinner#bnha spinner#bnha dabi#mha dabi#my hero academia#boku no hero academia
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I literally don’t care no more.
“Bakugo was killed off for being gay,”
“Bakugou was killed off for being homosexual,”
“They sent his gay ass straight to hell!”
BAKUGOU’S SEXUALITY IS IRRELEVANT!
Bakugou is not gay nor is he interested in relationships.
He’s more asexual in my opinion
People really look for anything to complain about, huh?
Bakugou has no sexuality in my opinion because nothing has been confirmed.
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apples are so fucked up
#bnha#incorrect quotes#incorrect bnha quotes#chat fic#socmed au#kuroiro shihai#shihai kuroiro#tokoyami fumikage#fumikage tokoyami#sourced#source: tumblr#apple discourse
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I want to make another poll! Give me your favorite fandom "fanon" events (concepts/ideas/additional information that fans make up that are widely accepted or widely used in fanfiction but don't officially exist in the canon work) from MHA!
They have to be widely known and used, the age doesn't matter and it doesn't matter if it's not popular anymore/has fallen off.
Some examples of fanon are:
- Villain Deku
- All For One being Deku's Dad
- EraserMic + Shinso Family dynamic
- Shinso's hero name being "MindJack" (similarly, Bakugo's hero name being "Ground-Zero")
- Deaf Bakugo/Present Mic
- Quirk Cancelling Equipment (no, it doesn't exist in canon unfortunately)
- Dadzawa (as a whole)
- Dabi's quirk being called "Cremation" (this was before it's name, Hellflame)
I haven't read too much outside of my bubble so I'm probably missing a lot! That's why I want to hear everyone's favorite fanon theory! I'm going to pick 12 then put it all into a poll for everyone to choose their favorite :-)
Reach out to me however you'd like! Feel free to comment on here, in the tags if you reblog, through asks, messages, or any other way - I really don't have a preference ^_^
I hope you all have a great day! ( ╹▽╹ )
#my hero academia#boku no hero academia#bnha#mha#shota aizawa#aizawa shouta#shouta aizawa#aizawa shota#bakugo katsuki#katsuki bakugo#deku#present mic#hizashi yamada#yamada hizashi#all for one#afo#dabi#hitoshi shinso#shinso hitoshi#📢#🔔#mha poll#bnha poll#poll#midoriya izuku#izuku midoriya#touya todoroki#todoroki touya#the only thing i can think of to not send in are ships#please i do not need any more discourse (T_T)
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As a multishipper, I didn't care who Deku ultimately ended up with. I just wanted him to be happy. So I'm glad everything's working out in the end.
Please, let's not fight. As always, if canon doesn't live up to your expectations, fanon is always there, but there's no need to crash out or complain or try to undermine anything just because you don't like or disagree with it. Let's just enjoy our favorite fandom together.
#chapter 431#my hero academia#boku no hero academia#mha#bnha#shipping#shipping discourse#izuocha#deku x uravity#izuku x ochaco#izch#bakudeku#deku x kacchan#izuku x katsuki#dkdk#togaocha#toga x ochako#tgchk#kacchako#tododeku#this goes for the izuocha shippers too#i know youre really happy#but please try not to rub salt into the wound#of other shippers#its not nice
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