#bigender people are a part of the nonbinary umbrella!

[tamaaiba]

Not so friendly reminder that nonbinary is an umbrella term and NOT a third gender and if I see any of y’all treating it as one it’s on sight

[transtalesofdoom]

The Label Thing - personal experience

I've talked previously about labels I've considered, used, or decided not to use in passing. Let's talk about it in a bit more detail!

I like labels. It's a personal preference, and I understand why someone wouldn't, but I like having words to describe myself with. I like having a handful of terms to explain my experiences quickly. I also like knowing that there's more people with these experiences, grouped under my label. Makes it feel a little less lonely.

Before the whole gender thing, I had already picked out the labels of biromantic asexual. Gender never really meant anything to me, and why would I care about stuff like genitals if I didn't intend to interact with them. Opted for bi over pan because it sounded nicer and the flag was prettier.

And then the gender thing happened and I suddenly had an entirely new experience to describe. One that was still developing.

The first day after I had come out to myself, I neither liked the term "man" nor "trans" for myself. Both seemed too solid for what I was. I was a dude or a guy, but a man? There's the whole societal aspect to it, how trans men can get treated poorly for "becoming the enemy", that I won't get into here, but it definitely was at play. And "trans" had an oddly definitive feeling to it. Like I had a gender and goal in mind, when I very much didn't. This was weird to me, because I knew that's not how the label is used. Anything that isn't cis can be labeled as trans. But at first it felt like I was appropriating it.

Nonbinary was a pretty safe catch-all. I was, by the very definition, not binary. Nor did I think anyone else was, but that was beside the point. Genderqueer was another option worth considering, since my gender was most definitely queer, but something about it didn't really click with me. Maybe it was the flag and the fact that certain trans-exclusionists used the same colors because they fancied themselves suffragettes.

I became a little more comfortable with it as the compound of transmasc. That was me. I was transing into the masculine. Not very committal, but a descriptor of what I was up to with the gender.

I still liked the term "woman", weirdly enough. Having watched so many Woman-Power movies (shoutout to Oceans 8 and Birds of Prey specifically), it had taken a while for me to fully embrace that label to begin with, and once I had managed to find it empowering, I didn't want to let go of it again. Even if I was transmasc, "Woman" by Kesha was too good of a song to leave behind. I was a motherfucking woman!

I did a bit more snooping around into other labels to see if anything would stick. I found and read the comics by ND Stevenson, and came across the ones where he describes being bigender. And I liked that description. It resonated with me. Especially because he references the Kesha song, I guess. 'Vibrating between genders too fast to see' felt relatable. So maybe I was bigender?

But I wasn't vibrating between male and female. Those were a part of it, sure, but there was more. And also less. I was every gender and no gender simultaneously. And while that is a possible subgroup of bigender, it once again felt like using the term, although I liked it, wouldn't properly convey my experience.

That night I decided to coin "fuckgender", only to discover that not only did this label already exist, but it also described exactly what I was feeling. (Not to be confused with genderfuck.) And yet, while that was a fun little anecdote, it wasn't what I wanted from a label. And the fact that other people were using it, thereby turning it into a functioning microlabel, made it less appealing to me, somehow.

Instead, I decided to embrace "trans" as an umbrella term for the time being. I didn't really need to define it any further. "transmasculine nonbinary" worked well enough to convey my identity to others. I could elaborate for those who wanted to know more. For myself, the label was the same as my gender. It was kinda there and kinda not, both everything and nothing all at once. More of a general vibe than an actual word.

And that works for now. Maybe that will change. Probably, even. I might embrace bigender, or multigender, I might find my trans experience to be binary enough to go by trans man. Maybe I'll do a U-turn and become a nonbinary woman.

There's only one way to find out and personally, I'm excited for it.

[nonbinarypolls]

Welcome to Nonbinary Polls!

[PT: Welcome to Nonbinary Polls!]

I made this blog exclusively for the purpose of posting and reposting polls for nonbinary people, as well as anyone else who fits under the definition of nonbinary without necessarily identifying with the label.

These polls are for anyone who does not fall into either of the following:

Always, wholly, and exclusively a man.

Always, wholly, and exclusively a woman.

Some polls may also be geared towards specific demographics of people under the nonbinary umbrella, such as agender people, genderfluid people, demigender people, multigender people, xenogender people, and more.

If you're looking for active polls, see the #poll or #polls tag.

If you're looking for finished polls to view the results, see the #final results tag.

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Rules

[PT: Rules]

You may submit polls to this blog, but they must follow these guidelines. If they don't, they may not be posted.

Your poll must be directed at nonbinary people, or people otherwise under the nonbinary umbrella.

Your poll must not exceed 12 answer options. Polls that exceed this number of options may have some options removed so they may fit the post.

Include an "other" option for people whose answer is not necessarily covered by the other options provided. If there is no "other" option, I will add one, even if it means removing an option to make space for it.

You may also want to include a "results" option for people who want to see the results of the poll so far without voting themselves. This, however, is not required.

Additionally, I may sometimes take the liberty of changing wording if I deem that terms are being used incorrectly. For example:

It/its pronouns may be considered neutral pronouns or neopronouns depending on the person. This blog considers them neutral pronouns, due to them not being new pronouns. They may be included in some polls about neopronouns when relevant (e.g. "Do you consider it/its to be neopronouns?") but may be excluded from others ("Which neopronouns do you use, if any?") due to the fact that they invariably outweigh neopronouns in polls. It/its pronouns are well established pronouns, albeit not necessarily for human use.

The terms "neopronouns" and "xenogenders" are also often mistaken for each other. I may swap one for the other if I notice that the words have been confused.

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About Me

[PT: About Me]

You can call me K, and I use he/him pronouns and neopronouns. Specifically, I use these neopronouns:

xe/xem/xyr/xyrs/xemself

ip/ip/ips/ips/ipself

vi/vir/vis/virs/virself

ze/zed/zeds/zeds/zedself

I do not use she/her or they/them pronouns. I'm fine with it/its pronouns only if you also use those pronouns yourself.

I'm bigender. Specifically, I'm both a man and (demi)aporagender, though my manhood is by far the primary part of my gender. If I were to split it up into percentages, I'd say I'm 100% man, with some aporagender in addition to that.

I'm also xenic, or xeno-aligned, but not xenogender. I don't consider my xeno-alignment to be a separate gender from the rest of my identity; I'm xenic because I use metaphors to describe my gender.

I don't identify as nonbinary even though I am technically under the nonbinary umbrella, because my gender is so close to binary, and the term "nonbinary" tends to make people think that I'm either genderless, or perfectly between male and female, when I am neither of those things. I don't identify with the "binary or nonbinary" dichotomy and consider it completely irrelevant to my gender.

I consider myself to fall under the transgender and genderqueer umbrellas. I only fall under the nonbinary umbrella under technicality.

[baking-potato-27]

I’m genderfluid but not like “sometimes a man sometimes a woman.” I explain it like that to cis people to avoid having to explain gender, but that’s really not who I am.

First of all, I never really feel like I align with my birth sex all the way. My autism gets in the way of that. I can’t say as confidently for the other way because I don’t have the same kind of experience with what you’re “supposed” to be for that, but it’s likely that my gender is always something nonbinary. (This is what I mean by the autigender flag on my pronouns.page: not that autism is my gender, per se, just that it’s a reason that I don’t feel fully like a man or a woman.)

Now to be clear, my gender is sometimes more masculine- or feminine-leaning. What that lean is and how strong it is varies: sometimes it’s one or the other; sometimes it’s both, sometimes it’s neither; sometimes I don’t care that much, and other times I get crippling dysphoria.

Now, on a separate and independent layer from that lie the xenic aspects of my identity. Yes, I (often) have both anthrogender and xenogender parts of my identity. I don’t identify as bigender; I suppose one could call me that, but I feel much more comfortable with the blanket term “multigender.”

What precisely my xenogender is and how strongly I feel it also varies. Often it’s something very personal and unique to me, based on my childhood experiences and/or current hyperfixations. (This is another way that my neurodivergence plays into my gender, but not the reason I identify as autigender.) It’s usually something I feel comfortable classifying under the technogender umbrella, but not always. Sometimes it’s something I have no explanation for and I just have to roll with it.

This explanation is backed by me identifying as genderfluid for over a year now, with several months of gender crisis leading up to that. My gender changes multiple times per week on average, which I’ve gathered is fast even for someone who is genderfluid. This experience is why I love posts that say “my gender is <oddly specific thing>” even when they come with little to no explanation. It’s why most of the time I don’t bother to explain my gender to anyone else and have just stuck with xe/xem-by-default. It’s why I feel more comfortable identifying as nonbinary than transgender. And it’s why I truly believe that gender is deeper than most people will ever realize.

[chaosintheavenue]

2023 Fallout OC Census- Results

At long last, it's here! This time, we had 593 usable responses.

(There are a few categories I haven't analysed just yet, which is mostly because I have Ideas for how to display that data. Please stand by…)

Getting right into the numbers...

Game

Fallout (original): 18 Fallout 2: 8 Fallout 3: 59 Fallout New Vegas: 214 Fallout 4: 160 Fallout 76: 28 Fallout Tactics: 2 Van Buren: 13 A spin-off, AU or mod: 14 A TTRPG campaign: 13 Multiple of the above: 41 None, just the Fallout universe: 22

Are they the in-game protagonist?

Yes: 328 No: 203 It's complicated: 61

Species

Unmutated human: 444 Ghoul: 51 Synth: 41 Ghoul-ish: 13 Other mutant: 9 Supernatural/spiritual being: 7 Robot (non-humanoid): 7 Super Mutant: 6 Cyborg/android: 5 Unknown/it's complicated: 2 Other: 7

Definitions of a few categories, just to clarify exactly what's in there:

Ghoul-ish: Refers to all characters who are partially ghoulified, ghoulify during their storylines, and unique characters with primarily ghoul-like traits

Other mutant: Refers to all characters who are specified to have unique mutations from any cause, unless they better fit into the ghoul-ish category. This is a very diverse umbrella category, and in past surveys has included everything from characters specified to have 76-style mutations that basically function as perks, to a character similar in form and nature to the Master

Gender

Cis woman/girl: 217 Cis man/boy: 154 Trans man/boy: 76 Nonbinary: 47 Trans woman/girl: 27 Agender: 16 Genderfluid: 7 Genderqueer: 6 Man/boy, unknown or varies if cis or trans: 5 Transfeminine: 3 Bigender: 3 Demigirl: 3 Woman/girl, unknown or varies if cis or trans: 4 Butch: 2 Demigender: 2 Questioning: 2 Intersex: 2 Lesbian: 2 Māhū: 1 Multigender: 1 Queer: 1 Transmasculine: 1 Unlabeled: 1

Bonus answers I enjoyed: [redacted], a man in a certain sense of the word, cat, doesn't care for this, eh, God knows, a link to the Wikipedia page for Stone Butch Blues, it's complicated, man of questionable gender, no gender left beef, lost their gender in the war, people assume she's a woman but she doesn't really care, whatever's funniest, yeah

Where are they from?

In previous OC survey location maps, I've only included a single data point for each character, regardless of how many places they may have connections to. However, this time I've decided to include each place that a character has lived as one data point.

The list of assumptions I use when creating these maps:

Arroyo = Oregon

Mojave Wasteland = Nevada if no more specific locations provided

Capital Wasteland = DC if no more specific locations provided

Vault 101 = DC (I feel like this one isn't geographically accurate, but it's to fit in with the above assumption)

Washington unqualified = Washington state, not DC (even for Fallout 3 characters, especially since I know of a Fallout 3 character who is intended to be from Washington state)

Appalachia = West Virginia unless otherwise specified

NCR = California

Legion territory with no other information given = Arizona (this feels like the biggest generalisation of all to me. Maybe take the Arizona count with a pinch of salt?)

'Near X place' = in the same state as X place

I go by the current fifty US states. No splitting of California or considering Canada to be part of the US

Locations that could not be easily defined or placed in a specific state/country (examples: the US as a general answer, multistate regions of the US, continents, or extraterrestrial locations) have been excluded for the purposes of this map

The map for the US:

Massachusetts: 104 California: 79 Nevada: 77 DC: 74 Arizona: 32 West Virginia: 25 Texas: 17 Utah: 15 Oregon: 14 Colorado: 13 New Mexico: 7 Virginia: 6 Maine: 6 Idaho: 6 Pennsylvania: 5 Illinois: 3 Washington: 3 Louisiana: 3 Florida: 3 Wyoming: 3 Tennessee: 3 New York: 3 Rhode Island: 2 North Carolina: 2 Minnesota: 2 Vermont: 2 Alaska: 2 Missouri: 2 Nebraska: 2 Michigan: 2 Indiana: 2 Kentucky: 2 Oklahoma: 2 Maryland: 2 Montana: 1 Connecticut: 1 Georgia: 1 New Jersey: 1 Wisconsin: 1

And the map for the rest of the world:

Canada: 7 Mexico: 7 UK: 7 Russia: 4 China: 2 Australia: 2 France: 2 Brazil: 1 Ireland: 1 Israel: 1 Finland: 1 Germany: 1 Japan: 1 Panama: 1

Further breakdown of characters from the UK: Wales: 4 (…these are all my guys, what can I say?) England: 2 Unspecified: 1

Has this character ever lived in a vault?

Yes: 223 No: 366

Faction

Minutemen: 99 Railroad: 86 Followers of the Apocalypse: 80 Brotherhood of Steel: 77 Yes Man/Independent Vegas: 63 NCR: 50 Caesar's Legion: 38 Original faction: 36 Institute: 26 Kings: 16 Great Khans: 14 Nuka-World raiders: 13 Mr House: 13 Raiders in general: 13 Goodneighbor: 11 Enclave: 11 Arroyo: 9 Think Tank/Big MT: 8 Reilly's Rangers: 7 Underworld: 7 Ciphers: 7 (would you believe me if I said the majority here are not mine? XD) Responders: 6 Acadia: 6 New Vegas Strip in general: 6 Lyons' Pride: 5 Children of Atom: 5 Megaton: 5 Gunners: 5 Boomers: 5 Powder Gangers: 5 Cult of the Mothman (all variations): 4 Crimson Caravan: 4 Chairmen: 4 Mojave Express: 4 Necropolis: 3 Shady Sands (pre-NCR): 3 Vault 13: 3 Twin Mothers: 3 Diamond City: 3 Freeside: 3 White Glove Society: 3 Vault-Tec: 3 Bishop family: 3 Regulators: 2 Tunnel Snakes: 2 New Canaan: 2 Gecko: 2 Settlers/Foundation: 2 Abolitionists/Temple of the Union: 2 Galaxy News Radio: 2 80s: 2 Desert Rangers: 2 Unity/Master's Army: 2 Vault 76: 2 US Government: 2 Broken Hills: 2 Sanctuary: 2 Blue Ridge Caravan Company: 2 Goodsprings: 2 Cutthroat raiders: 2 Feral ghouls: 2 Hub: 2 Ghouls in general: 2 Nuka-World in general: 2 Little Lamplight/Big Town: 2

And the list of factions with one response, allegedly for the sake of something called 'brevity': Boulder scientists, Vault City, Littlehorn & Associates, Jacobstown, New Reno, Brotherhood Outcasts, Marked Men, Mole Miners, Treeminders, Forged, Junktown, Triggermen, Free States, Vault 101, Vault 81, Slags, Hubris Comics, Bunker Hill, Rivet City, Van Graffs, Ug-Qualtoth, West Tek, Vault 95, Novac, Atom Cats, The Outer Worlds factions, Commonwealth Super Mutants, caravan companies in general

I was initially planning to include a separate 'ish' category for each faction, to account for characters that are aligned with factions unwillingly/temporarily/out of necessity, but looking at the dataset, that sort of situation was so much more prevalent than I realised and quickly made everything very clunky.

Main approach to problems

Diplomacy: 211 Combat: 147 Stealth: 101 Technical skills: 79 Avoidance: 53

And finally for now- preferred weapon type

Small guns: 191 Melee: 128 Energy weapons: 91 Big guns: 82 Avoids combat altogether: 49 Explosives: 27 Unarmed combat: 24

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As always, thank you to everyone who participated and gave me a little information about your OCs! If you'd ever like to talk more about them, my inbox is always open :D. Getting to learn about everyone's brainchildren is definitely my favourite aspect of my tangential foray into the Fallout fandom sphere.

My future plan for this dataset includes… a lot of pie charts, to put it mildly. As I've done for past survey datasets, I'll be compiling pie charts for each question, separating responses by the game that the characters are from, and we'll see if any trends emerge!

[bigendering]

Hello! I’ve been debating my gender for quite a while now but I'm super confused in my identity. I really like the sound of bigender, it makes me feel really comfortable. But I don't think I properly fit into it due to the fact even though yes I am both a girl and a boy at the same time, I still identify with neutrois, genderfluid, and nonbinary? Would I technically be called pangender?? Because sometimes I feel that my “boy side” and “girl side” mix and create these other parts of me that are fluid. What would that be called?

The core of bigenderism is being/having two genders. So if that feels most accurate to you, you’re bigender. Those genders can interact in weird ways, so you can certainly have many more than two gender experiences while still being bigender - like if your two genders are boy and girl, but sometimes when you’re both it results in you feeling very androgynous and neither one nor the other, that’s still bigender. Genderfluid isn’t mutually exclusive with bigender, and the combination is very common. Nonbinary is an umbrella term, so all bigender people are nonbinary. Neutrois is one of the older nonbinary terms that has a lot of nuance and different definitions, so it’s very possible to identify with that term while also being boy/girl bigender. For that last part, I don’t know of a specific term, but the fluidity part makes me think both bigender and genderfluid would fit for at least that aspect.

[multigenderswag]

Survey Results: Anything Else Relevant

In the open ended question “share anything else you find relevant about your multigender identity,” 72 participants (4.88%) stated that being a system was a relevant part of their multigender identity, and 24 participants (1.63%) stated that being intersex was a relevant part of their multigender identity.

Some other responses that stood out: 

"Gender is diverse and vast. It is beautiful and it's often whatever makes me happy. My experience of gender cannot be the same as anyone else's and I like that. It's part of who I am at my core and is proof that even that part of me is not static."

"I am who I am. If other people want to assign me a gender, that's their problem. Sometimes I wear a gender like an outfit, sometimes it's who I am, and sometimes I resent the whole concept. My body and my clothes are a way to express my creativity, and gender is one of the paintbrushes. I contain multitudes."

"1. I prefer a different definition of bigender. I use it in the same way people use bisexual: that I am two OR MORE genders. 2. I technically use all pronouns but I only put my primary ones in the survey. 3. I haven’t seen a term for this before but I see my sexuality as being “straight both ways” meaning that I am attracted to men as a woman and attracted to women as a man. My only attraction that feels gay is any attraction towards other nonbinary people."

"I eat gender for breakfast lunch and dinner!!! I'll eat you too!!!!!!! Watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"If I visualize my gender it's as if I am wholely a girl. My girlness is a solid sphere. My boyness is softer and hazier and surrounds the sphere. That's the best way I have to describe it!"

"Despite fitting the 'definition' of nonbinary as in 'not binary man or woman' I genuinely hate using it as a term for myself and only use it through gritted teeth as just quick shorthand. It's mainly because 'nonbinary' in the public eye has become less of an umbrella term and more of a 'third gender' with its own 'gender role' (not too masc, but not too femme, unless you're 'making a statement' and usually society treats those folks as complete jokes) There was a comic I saw about boxes. First there are two, then there are many, but finally the main person says 'ARGH!! NO MORE BOXES!!' That really captures how I feel. I hate having to put labels on myself and when i can feel people figuring out what box to put me in. I'd like to just BE ME and slide between whatever role and presentation I feel fits at the moment without people thinking I'm 'lying' or 'faking' or 'too queer' or 'not trans enough"' I hate all the labels and gender essentialism that comes with it. I just can't work in this binary framework, and I don't WANT to have to be an activist just to have permission to exist. I just want to live my life. At this point I just state my identity based on which flag I think looks nicest at the time."

"Gender is a highway and I'm riding down it the wrong way on a tricycle"

"I never really understood gender in general, and as such identity with aspects of many. I think that everyone’s gender fluctuates every so often and that it’s A-okay to not fully understand your own gender."

[farmerlesbian]

hey im following up on your "lesbians and genderweird people" post.

do you also include people that are men as a part of their multi-gender expression? say a bigender person that is a woman and a man at once?

idk im probably thinking about it too hard but im just trying to wrap my head around it. just looking for straight (hah) answers about specifics. which i also see is a little futile cause gender is weird.

sorry if this line of questioning is uncomfortable to you.

anw i hope you have a good time and happy pride

thank you for actually asking haha instead of just jumping to big sweeping conclusions! 😅🥴

also happy pride! 🌈🧡💜

honestly i don’t know any bi-gender people! at least i don’t think i do haha i don’t ask every person i meet the details of their gender. so i don’t feel comfortable making any claims about them especially big sweeping claims.

to me, i cannot envision being comfortable being into someone that is aligned with manhood, in whatever way or terms they choose to use. for me, if I was, I would need to seriously consider whether the label Lesbian is accurate for me.

I think if someone is encountering this in their relationship, they should navigate it on an interpersonal level. by that I mean, figure out the labels and how to handle it as an individual for yourself and with the bi-gender or multi-gender person. Instead of on a like macro level “let’s define what Lesbian means” sort of deal.

I don’t believe that when talking about “Lesbianism can include attraction to nonbinary people” I am saying every nonbinary person. I’m saying it can include some nonbinary people. those who are cool with it and it makes sense for! not every person is gonna be okay with it, or does it make sense for, of course. nonbinary or genderweird or whatever term, they are very broad umbrellas and describe a wide variety of gender experiences.

It’s also important to keep in mind that people can describe their experiences for themselves. Different people are going to define their labels in different ways, sometimes in ways we disagree with. It’s important to be able to differentiate someone describing their own experience and defining things for themselves and defining a term broadly for everyone. And I mean this when seeing what other people are saying and also to keep in mind for oneself.

Hope this answers what you were asking and is helpful and makes sense! Also, remember that this is just my opinion and my position. I’m not like declaring this as a universal truth, I’m not the president of the lesbians lol. different lesbians will define their lesbianism for themselves. I can handle that even if I vehemently disagree lol

[my-castles-crumbling]

Tell me if I’m wrong, but can I be Genderqueer, Nonbinary and Demigirl all at the same time?

OR

Genderqueer, Non binary and Agender?

(Still working out the agender/demigirl bit)

Or would that make me Bigender or Trigender if that’s a thing?

Or just like one of the terms? Such as maybe agender

Hi!

Okay. Okay so.

Short answer? Yes, to both the first and second question.

Basically, to me, genderqueer is any gender that is not a gender in the binary. Kind of a vaguer term than nonbinary. demigirl and agender (again, to ME) are part of the genderqueer/nonbinary umbrella.

So yes, you can be more than one thing. Both of those combinations are logical.

As far as bigender, that means you specifically identify as TWO genders (either you fluxuate between them or you posses traits of both all the time). So no, bigender would not be the same as agender/demigirl. I honestly haven't heard of trigender, but that doesn't mean anything- I'm always learning.

You could also just identify as one term, if that's more comfortable to you! It's kind of your preference that matters here- similar to how some nonbinary people identify as trans but others don't. What feels good to you?

This page has a lot of definitions and might be helpful as well :)

Lots of love! <3

[a-tale-of-legends]

Like. Hm. In general, I've been thinking of Jin and their gender/ pronouns for a while. I still like they/them, and I'm gonna stick with that, but knowing how they are, I don't think it was a direct " oh I'm nonbinary and want to use they/them", you know?

Like maybe they thought they were a trans woman, but then that felt off, so then they thought they were Bigender or Genderfluid, but that also felt Specific. And then they go " well, I do feel an attachment to these identities, but they also don't fully fit, so...." Then they remember that the label nonbinary exists, and it's kinda the umbrella term for literally everything else they liked but didn't feel like it fit labels so. They've been using the label ever since.

As for pronouns I think the timeline goes: he/him -> she/her -> he/she -> she/they -> they/them( <- current and on going)

They like being referred to as Mx, partner, etc. But I can also see them liking specific gendered terms but only for specific people. Like they're okay with their parents sometimes calling them their son, or if Kohaku or Wally call them their wife ( I don't think the three are married but they act like they are lmao). But it's only those people who can call them that. Anyone else will be on sight. To be clear, Jin generally prefers more gender neutral terms, but doesn't hate it when people they care about use gendered terms occasionally ( cause a small part of Jin is still attached to being "Norman's Son" and whenever Amber or Wally calls Jin their wife they melt lmao)

Hopefully all of this makes sense lol.

[velvetvexations]

i personally am bigender/androgyne and consider that under the nonbinary umbrella. i think theres a lot of confusion about what constitutes nonbinary genders bc a lot of people seem to interpret it as being a gender itself exclusively and not an umbrella term. imo to be a binary gender you have to fully identify with male OR female exclusively. "boy" and "girl" arent binary genders because "binary" doesn't necessarily describe these genders specifically, but rather our adherence to a system that expects normative sex (binary + perisex + cis male or female). the "and" part of bigender sort of necessarily is excluded from being perceived and treated as binary, bc being both inherently breaks the expected system

bigender also isnt exclusively male+female. im bigender in that i am two not-binary genders.

(i know that bigender ppl can consider themselves whatever they want lol theres no rules im just sharing my personal interpretation! esp as someone who doesnt actually Identify As nonbinary but rather feels Categorized Under nonbinary)

that's also been my understanding of it as someone who presents as a binary transfem singlet

[genderstarbucks]

Quote from one of your posts that I’m focusing on “also calling cis neptunic men and cis uranic women "people trying so hard to be queer"”

Mf, while I may not be fuckin’ cis man who is neptunic (I’m Bigender masc leaning and Neptinic). Dude you can’t just say someone is queer because they don’t your damn standards. Neptunic and Uranic are meant to be used by ANYONE, it’s not something you can gatekeep for your own sensibilities. Not to mention, a cis person who uses the Neptunic or Uranic label may also be using it for other reasons that they may not be able to completely understandable. Such as how people describe their attractions to people being inherently queer in nature even if it’s under the “appearance” of being straight. I apologize for the rant, that just annoyed me.

(This whole thing is directed to the “people trying hard to be queer” comment person not you.)

OML I GOT SO SCARED YOU WERE TALKING TO ME LMFAO

AND YEAH

NEPTUNIC AND URANIC ARE MEANT TO BE USED BY ANYBODY

They're not just for nonbinary people, cis people can use them too, and if they do, then they're not straight

But yeah, people can't just determine who's queer and who's not, if you're even a little bit queer, you're still queer (you don't have to call yourself queer ofc but you'd still be a part of the community)

And honestly

I rlly only see people say this stuff about cis/het people in the community, no one would ever tell a cis gay man that they're not queer enough, but if they're neptunic or asexual, then nope, not queer enough apparently

There's no such thing as "not queer enough" or "trying to be queer"

If you're queer, you're fucking queer, nobody else can determine whether you can say you're queer or not because "you're basically just cishet"

Cis men neptunics? Queer

Cis women uranics? Queer

Heteroromantic asexual? Queer

Aromantic heterosexual? Queer

Straight trans men? Queer

Straight trans women? Queer

Straight nonbinary people? Queer

Anybody under the trans umbrella who's still connected to their agab? Queer

Ftm rosboys? Queer

Mtf azurgirls? Queer

Cishet gnc people? Queer

Heteroflexible cis people? Queer

Multisexual cis people who prefer the opposite gender? Queer

Cis straightcians? Queer

Cis straightbians? Queer

Cis achillean women? Queer

Cis sapphic men? Queer

Cis lesboys? Queer

Cis turigirls? Queer

Etc, etc.

If your identity is under the queer umbrella at all, you're still allowed to call yourself queer, even if you have other identities that aren't necessarily queer

[verdantmeadows]

Adora and Catra are so sapphillean. To me.

Adora is a bisexual achillean lesbian intersex transfemmasc. (I know achillean is more synonymous with sapphic but I'm using lesbian to mean sapphic and I also don't remember the MLM word that is equivalent to lesbian.) She doesn't sort her gender through being bigender although she's technically bigender. Her male parts (penis) are a trans lesbian (MTF/transfem loves women) and her female parts (vulva/vagina) are a trans achillean/gay guy (FTM/transmasc loves men). As a whole she's technically bisexual but her sexuality is split in half between her genitalia. She can do this because intersex people can do anything forever. If you don't let intersex people have sexuality and gender fuckery you HATE intersex people. She uses he/she pronouns and prefers she/her for closer individuals.

Catra much prefers labelling as nonbinary completely and her junk and whatever transfem transmasc FTNB MTNB shit is none of your business. Her sexuality is whatever you assume hers to be. She's everything and nothing. If you ask her if she's a lesbian, she's a lesbian. If you ask her if she's a gay guy she's a gay guy. She's definitely sapphillean and loves anyone gayly so the umbrella term for her sexuality fuckery is bisexual, but, again, she's whatever you want her to be. She uses she/he/they pronouns. She's catgirl catboy catboygirl catthing supreme. She can do this because she's nonbinary and nonbinary people can do anything they want ever.

They're also both demirose and were each other's first and only awakenings of any sort. This is crucial for the codependent yuri yaoisms of Catradora.

[your-bigender-big-brother]

i feel like i'm getting confuzzled over gender again

i think i've always known myself as a masc enby. it's what fits and is easiest to explain to people, but it feels like it doesn't manage to include that i feel agender at the same time. like one part is gender and one part is not.

what does that mean? is it considered bigender?

sorry for the ask

Hello, confuzzled anon!

Agender falls under the nonbinary umbrella, so "enby masc" does technically include it. But you can say agendermasc, masc agender, or anything similar.

You don't have to consider it bigender, if the masc part isn't a gender to you. That part's entirely your choice! - 💙💚

[acreaturecalledgreed]

Hi its that one anon again, for the Multigender asks, I humbly request uh

4,5,6, 7,8, 19, 24, 28, 29

...is that too many numbers.?

hello nonny you are a-okay i just wanted to respond on my laptop b/c im gonna do a lot of writing now cracks every bone in my trash body lets do it

4) When did you first hear about being multigender?

my memory is very not great and i honestly do not recall any specifics, but id ballpark 2014ish was around the time i was realizing "oh i dont have to slide b/t genders, its okay to be more than one at once"

5) Are there any terms under the multigender umbrella that you identify with? (like bigender, trigender, genderfluid, omnigender, multiflux)

i genuinely like pangender and omnigender very much. again, greedy.

6) Do you identify with any umbrella terms that can encompass being multigender, like "trans" or "nonbinary"?

yes! i personally consider nonbinary to be trans, and i am both. i call myself a nonbinary trans man (which is true) when i want to give ppl a not complicated answer.

7) Are your genders more fluid or more static?

i suppose it'd be accurate to say my genders are static in that they dont really shift from one to another but i also do not like the description of "static", it makes me think of stagnancy, and my gender is not stagnant- it gets added to and expanded rather often, its edges extend and recede like a tide

its like. pointillism. i am a painting and every dot is a part of the image

8) Are your genders more separate or blended together?

waggles my hand both kinda, hard to explain, again its the "pointillism" thing

19) When in a situation forcing you into one gender, what do you do?

so i did answer this one before but ill rehash in a briefer way

on non queer spaces i just deal with it and feel bad but theres no point in pushing it b/c i find most people just dont get it or dont really try to and im Very Tired

in queer spaces people forcing me to be just one of my genders is genuinely heart wrenching and makes me feel deeply unwanted, because they only want this specific part of me and not just. me.

24) Do you do (or have you ever done) anything to express pride, privately or publicly, in your multigender identity?

not really, no. its not that i do not want to. i just have trust problems around people and i struggle to have faith that people will not be shit. and privately, i just dont feel a need to justify it to myself, yaknow? i casually incorporate my identity and queerness into all i touch and create, and i think that counts as pride.

28) Are you open/out about being multigender?

anyone who knows me even a little knows im a gender clusterfuck, and i have long since stopped bothering to pretend im any flavour of cis. if people get weird about it its my intent to challenge them then and there. if you wish to be transphobic you must look me in the eyes and know that i am a person and say it and see how brave you are then.

29) Are you open about some parts of your gender identity, but not others?

the more abstract parts of my gender i tend to really just talk about with other trans ppl but mostly just b/c it can be hard to explain to cis ppl "yeah one of my genders is like, a shark, but longer" whereas if i say the same thing in a trans heavy server ppl are like "oh god samesies"

[multigenderswag]

nah this is probably all in my head but is genderfluid seen as like, being outside the bounds of...like...all categories of being trans/nonbinary/multigender? Like, they aren't seen as trans because "they're cis sometimes", not nonbinary because "they're binary sometimes", not multigender because "one gender at a time" (which is wrong, at least for me, I'm not one at a time).

I mean multigender people are the most normal for sure, I've barely seen anyone think fluids don't count lol. But I have seen a handful of static multigender people asking if we count. Not being exclusionist but still sort of like, being confused about us ig?

I don't mean to downplay how static multigender people feel if that's how this is coming off btw- for example, I've seen like people basically erase the option of a character being pangender/bigender/trigender, what have you for them being genderfluid. Even when they fit one of the former much much more, because I guess someone switching genders is more acceptable to people than being multiple at once which sucks and is stupid. So, I'm not trying to be like "wahh why does nobody acknowledge us"

But, ig what I'm saying is, I don't feel like genderfluid people are accepted as anywhere under the trans umbrella exactly, like we're just kind of a gimmick to people that accept us over multigenders and it's annoying. I'm probably not wording it correctly but like, it's only acknowledged when convenient enough to ignore static multigenders, but otherwise genderfluid isn't real and not worth the attention in a legitimate discussion. idk this rant was kind of all over the place I am quite sorry about that lol.

I think that's partly because the genderfluid experience is so diverse- some consider themselves trans and some don't, some consider themselves nonbinary and some don't, some consider themselves multigender and some don't- that it's impossible to put all of genderfluidity under one gender label. But it's definitely not okay and probably very frustrating to be told that you don't "count" as the label you feel connected to.

In my experience, part of me might sometimes feel uncomfortable including genderfluid folks as multigender because of how many times my bigender identity has been invalidated by people telling me I'm fluid. But I can take a deep breath and recognize that genderfluid people are absolutely multigender, if they consider themselves that way, and the multigender community is better with them here! Any part of me that feels differently is just lashing out due to my own bad experiences, but that's not the fault of genderfluid people and my pain doesn't give me the right to be an exclusionist.

Anon, I hope you and any other genderlfluid folks reading this find acceptance in a community they want to be a part of.