"a man-woman— a double-being, doubly powerful" i'm s (he/him) and i post about multigender things. i'm the official Multigender Survey Maker Of Tumblr TM :)
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I love when I'm googling a bigender person and it turns out they're Jewish. Bigender Jews rock and finding them makes me so happy :D
#was looking into some bigender authors (list of them coming soon. perhaps)#and some of them are jewish! and finding that out was a super neat feeling
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My personal ideas about the differences between these meanings of cistrans;
Cisgender & Transgender
Can describe someone who identifies with their societally imposed gender, and another gender.
Cisgender & Transsexual
Can describe a person who identifies with their societally imposed gender, but wishes to change their sex characteristics.
Cissexual & Transgender
Can describe a person who does not identify with their societally imposed gender, but is happy with their natal sex characteristics.
Cistranssexual
Can describe a person who's societally expected/imposed gender differs from that of their birth-assigned gender due to their natal sex characteristics not 'matching' their originally/birth imposed gender. (May identify as their current societally imposed/expected gender or their birth-assigned gender)
Cistransgender
Can describe a person who has lived both (or neither) the cisgender & transgender experience of their gender due to the gender imposed/expected of them being inconsistent throughout their life.
(Cistransgender & cistranssexual can sort of be used interchangeably in my mind sometimes, they're very similar in some contexts)
If you have other definitions of this term, that's alright. I'm not saying this is the end-all-be-all of the definitions of cistrans. I am a firm believer in the idea that different people have differing personal definitions of queer labels and that's ok.
EDIT I am also a firm believer in not pushing labels on people. Before someone tries to tell me I'm insisting non-op trans people or bigender people or nonbinary people need to call themselves cistrans, I never said that. Just because some people identify that way doesn't mean you have to as well.
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Its so unfortunate how a lot of queer ppl/spaces say they understand multigender ppl, but the moment terms/experiences that multigender ppl are more likely to use/have are mentioned they're immediately like "huh???"
Like w trans women + trans men, cis men + trans women, cis women + trans women, and also cis men + cis women at the same time, plus ppl w nonbinary genders, and w lesbian men, turian women and such
Then they immediately try to "separate" you for their own comfort or understanding
yeah i don't understand it, people always say oh boygirl girlboy whatever the hell but then the second a bigender person or any multigender person talks about experiencing more than one gender, people literally like. panic and freak the fuck out. it's really weird. i don't know why people are so ready to say they accept multigender people but then absolutely lose their minds and criticize everything you identify with
like you'll be sitting there and suddenly someone is playing 4d chess with your identity because you happened to mention you have another gender or whatever. people actually *cannot* accept that there are trans women who are also cis men. i have been told i was transphobic for saying that there are trans women who also identify as cis men. like i got told i'm making all trans women feel dysphoric by saying that. like hello? i'm talking about bigender trans women who also identify as cis men. that's a specific experience that happens. like people really think the concept is weird meanwhile a lot of trans women also identify as gay men it's nowhere near as uncommon as you think like
yeah it's super suspicious when people start scrutinizing everything the second you actually go into any detail about being multigender as if they had no idea you had multiple genders like this isn't a "vibe" thing i'm serious
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being bigender be like
someone: so you're nonbinary?
me: uh yea kinda
someone: what are your pronouns?
me: oh i use she/her or he/him, either is fine
person: oh, okay!
person: [turns to everyone else] they say they use she/her or he/him
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I'm a bigender trans man who actually has a very similar experience (uncomfortable with femininity, hates not being seen as 100% a man). One of my genders is male and my other gender is butch/genderqueer/????? and both genders are definitely masculine- you don't have to be masc+fem or even man+woman to be bigender.
I have a weird desire to be bigender but I feel like I don't feel it at heart. I'm a trans man but I feel incredibly repulsed by femininity/anything outside of staunchly "man" applied to me. I really resonate with symbols of duality internally too but it's a struggle
perhaps for you, bigenderism entails manhood, and another masculine gender? neutrality can also exist in a bigender identity, it's okay to be a bigender man who is repulsed by femininity! bigender people are not always a man and a woman, there's a lot of room to stretch your legs
if you'd like, feel free to give some more info and we'll see what we can do for you! either way, take care for now
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Reply with your favorite multigender and/or multigender-coded character! I wanna do a poll of tumblr’s favorite.
Right now, I have
Osana Najimi (Komi Can’t Communicate)
Nimona (Nimona)
Ranma (Ranma 1/2)
#the titan from the owl house is bigender!#he's the only one i can think of though#seconding nimona. nimona is the multigender character of all time
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Hm. "Transmasc woman" might be a neat gender idk
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part of the problem w how people treat multigender folks is that you'll say "I'm sometimes a man and sometimes a woman" and they'll hear "I am sometimes masculine and sometimes feminine." It's why I hesitate to us genderfluid sometimes even though it's an accurate + pretty well known label, because so many people see "genderfluid" as just an aesthetic descriptor. And idc if people DO use it as one for themselves, but like. Some of us actually care a lot about having all of our genders recognized.
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Genderfluidity: Myths and Facts
❌ MYTH: Genderfluid people don't experience gender as strongly as others, and change genders whenever they feel like it.
✅ FACT: Genderfluid peoples' Solid Forme can easily deflect projectile attacks, and can decimate melee attackers with their powerful Crystal Beam.
❌ MYTH: Genderfluid people have a favorite gender, and return to it when they're tired of their other genders.
✅ FACT: While Genderfluid peoples' Liquid Forme has high evasion and access to the deadly Water Cutter move, they are susceptible to heat and electricity based attacks.
❌ MYTH: Homosexual and heterosexual people can't be attracted to genderfluid people.
✅ FACT: A genderfluid person in Mist Forme may have low attack power, but they can squeeze through thin surfaces such as grates and doors, and are immune to most forms of damage.
❌ MYTH: Nobody stays genderfluid, and they will grow out of it over time. It's just a phase.
✅ FACT: Only 0.1% of genderfluid people, with proper training, can achieve the final and extremely powerful Plasma Forme. Wielders of Plasma Forme are some of the most powerful caster-types in all the celestial planes, and can incinerate nearby enemies with their Radiant Aura passive move, or their devastating Supernova: Cone of Light.
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idk, I feel like almost every single discussion, theory, words of support, or even mention of transness is just for monogender people. people claim to support those who don't meet rigid binary standards but the only trans people that seem to actually matter are the binary trans man and the binary trans woman. with the genderless nonbinary person mentioned sometimes when it's relevant. the binary is what people base their worldview on, their discussions of systemic oppression. there's no room for us multigender people anywhere because we either contradict their ideas or we're just not included because it's inconvenient to fit us anywhere in their theory. men and women are not opposites. there is not just man, woman, and neither (people who you categorize as basically man or woman depending on their association with gendered oppression). some of us are both and you need to consider us when discussing these sorts of things
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btw you're allowed to go off on people who misgender trans women who are also men and say that trans women can't identify that way. you're allowed to go off on anyone who polices transfeminine identities. the amount of people who discredit trans women who are also men, transneutral, transmasculine, agender, multigender, genderfluid, polygender, gender variant, gnc or any other experience other than "binary trans woman" is staggering.
people will literally freak the fuck out at you for saying trans women can literally also be men and that doesn't invalidate their womanhood. people will freak the hell out at you and tell you that transfeminine butches don't belong in the community, and especially not transfems who are intersex, bigender, multigender, genderfluid, genderqueer or "too masculine" or transfems who "look/sound like men". they freak out at you, you're allowed to fight back.
people will freak the fuck out and misgender trans women who use it/its and assert that's now how a trans woman would want to identify. people will freak the fuck out and tell masculine transfems that they HAVE to be more feminine or else they're a threat to the community and they're not a real transfemme. people will tell pre- and never transition trans girls that they're a problem or that they will never be a part of the community until they go through medical and social transition
people love to push transfeminine people into the most narrow, restrictive boxes possible so they can mentally put us away on a shelf and forget about us. the smaller they make us, the easier it is to forget about us. people will literally lose their minds if someone starts talking about transfemininity for a few posts or minutes at a time, especially when it's non binary transfemininity.
transfemmes who step outside of the binary are a huge "threat" to no one except people who make it a problem in their own minds. a pre or never transition transfem is not invading a space they belong in. trans women cannot invade their own spaces. transfeminine people are allowed to have complicated genders. trans women are allowed to identify as men without it invalidating their identities. trans women are allowed to have vast and complicated gender experiences
trans women do not have to restrict ourselves into the most easy to digest identities possible for the sake of sucking up to queers who hate us. trans women are allowed to be loud, hairy, muscular, tall, big, broad chested, narrow hipped, fat, "ugly", and masculine. trans women are allowed to break the binary and shake up what your idea of femininity and womanhood look like.
genderfuckery does not belong to any AGAB or identity. genderfuckery is not off limits to AMAB, intersex, and transfeminine people. trans women are allowed to play with gender. trans women are allowed to not abandon their manhood if it's still a part of their life. trans women are allowed to exist outside of a binary created by everyone else but us. we are allowed to defy your expectations of what a woman and/or femme "should" be, and it doesn't invalidate or woman/femmehood.
you're allowed to go the fuck off on people who say these things invalidate our woman/femmehood. we don't have to take it anymore. it IS transphobia when this happens. it IS transmisogyny when people tell us these things. we are allowed to fight back. we are allowed to not take this lying down anymore. trans women are allowed to stand up for ourselves, and you are, too.
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"cis men can't be lesbians" the concept of bi/multigender, genderfluid, genderqueer, intersex and gnc trans women freaks you out that badly, huh.
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your post makes no sense? all of the identities that you named are NOT cis men??? and quite frankly it feels transphobic for you to consider them that
i'm a trans woman so i'm part of the group i'm commenting on. you do realize that a bigender trans woman who identifies as a trans woman and a cis man is still partially a cis man and that's not transphobic and it doesn't invalidate their trans womanhood, right? you do realize that a transfemme cis man is still a cis man and that doesn't invalidate their femmehood, right? you do realize a transfemme genderfluid person who identifies as a cis man is still partially a cis man and it doesn't invalidate their other genders, right? being bigender doesn't completely erase 1/2 of the identity. being a woman doesn't cancel out being a man. are you seriously saying that because that person has a queer identity means that it totally erases the fact that they are literally also identifying in plain english that they are also a cis man?
immersing yourself in the transfeminine community will help with this drastically. i don't know you or your history, but most of my IRL friends are transfeminine, myself included. there are many of my transfem friends who never want to be considered a man, and that's perfectly fine. however, i would say a good 1/3rd of the trans women i've met have also still identified as a cis gay man on some level. without shame, without it taking away their womanhood. existing alongside each other; parallel. if you meet and befriend a good number of transfeminine people you will find out that a lot of transfems identify as cis men and trans women at the same time. that's not new. many trans women identify as cis gay men and trans women at the same time. like, it's an extremely common thing. bigender means having two genders- one is trans woman, the other is cis man for people who identify this way. this person is a trans woman, a cis man, and a bigender person.
this doesn't make that person a bigender person, and a trans woman only. why do you think it's okay to completely erase that person's male identity? why do you think it's okay to completely ignore someone's manhood for the sake of their other identity? cis manhood isn't "icky". it doesn't get cancelled out by queerness. them partially being a cis man does not invalidate their trans womanhood. wake the fuck up, you're being transmisogynstic as hell right now and it's embarrassing.
a question you must ask yourself: why are you insinuating that it is transphobic to refer to someone correctly? my post specifically referred to trans women who also identify as cis men in their own words. why, in your mind, is this a bad thing? you MUST ask yourself why it's "transphobic" to acknowledge these identities and refer to these individuals correctly. you must ask yourself why you're putting your comfort before someone else's representation. there are transfemme cis men. there are transfeminine genderfluid people who identify as cis men when they are men. there are non binary cis men. why do you think that cis men cannot be queer, or trans? why are you assuming that a trans woman being a cis man at the same time is transphobic? why
this reeks of "woman cannot be man at the same time or else woman get cancelled out"
what is confusing about trans women having multiple genders? what's wrong with a bigender, multigender, genderfluid, genderqueer, genderfuck, gender non conforming, and/or intersex trans woman having a male identity that's also cis? what's wrong with that? how does that erase or "conflict" with the rest of their identity in any capacity?
there are bigender trans men who are cis women and trans men at the same time. there are bigender trans women who are cis men and trans women at the time. literally how does that not make sense. please explain to me how it doesn't make sense. every single person who has told me i'm not making sense hasn't told me why. please explain to me why you proudly and loudly saying that bi/multigender trans women don't exist is okay, but me fighting for people to understand that they do is transphobic.
stop virtue signalling and shoot the cop in your mind dead. in your attempt to look like a hero and earn brownie points all you did was show that you literally don't understand multigender, genderqueer, non binary, and other gender vast experiences. trans women won't magically like you more now because you decided to show everyone that you think it's transphobic to call someone who overtly in their own words identifies as a cis man, a cis man.
cis men aren't the devil. calm down and stop freaking the hell out over the fact that you can in fact be a cis man and a trans woman at the same time. the sun will still rise. the world will keep turning. it's not transphobic to refer to someone by the terms they ask you to use. get over yourself on this one, anon. that's your cross to bear: you are the transphobe. do yourself a favor and look into multigenderism before you decide to comment on trans theory again
you thought yourself into a corner and you can't find your way out.
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"Are you a man or a woman?"
Am I flesh or bone? Do I peel the meat from my body or carve my skeleton out of myself? Which halves of myself do I keep, after the operation is done?
You come to me asking me this, asking me if I'm one or the other. Am I a man or a woman.
Fuck off.
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