#baddel

[butch-bakugo]

Oh my God a fucking " anti-transandrophobia truther" perisex fuck wrote word for word, in a massive fucking post " I wonder if intersex people know being Intersex affects your gender" (NO SHIT???)

And!

" I'm pretty sure all the afab/cafab (coercive meaning ya know ... GENITAL MUTILATION OF INTERSEX BABIES FORCING THEM INTO THE AFAB IDENTITY. The whole camab/cafab thing was stolen from the intersex community.) intersex people who claim the transfem title don't actually have transfem experiences"(regardless of the kind of the type of intersexuality they are?? You are just outting yourself as someone totally fucking blind to actual intersex experiences.)and! " They need their own term because they don't 'fit'". They tried to dress up the offensive bigoted nonsense they just spewed by trying to make it sound like they had our best interests at heart and "shouldn't be forced into using perisex language".... You are litterally trying to push intersex people you don't like out of our terminology to other them .... This literally reeks of literal terf rhetoric " most intersex lean one way and therefore shove them under that label" like...

Ur both intersexist freaks and bigots just in different ways. Imagine trying to claim you care about intersex people then try to determine our labels for us and push us in the way you think we should go regardless of our actual fucking lived experiences because you don't like sharing the transfem community with people who've experienced both transmysogny and transmascphobia. Not to even mention the fact the last time people tried to make a term to talk about their experiences, you've not shut up about it in years and called it a mens rights movement to try and silence an entire fucking portion of the trans community so you don't have to care about them. You literally fucking said " trans men experience both transphobia and mysogny but not at the same time (we do????) but trans women do" ok and ur blind to Transmasc issues because you think that nonsense and we are the same as cis men. Ur blind to our issues in the way you accuse us of being blind to your issues but only expect us to shut up and listen.

Anyway, denying that trans men can't face their own issues while also ignoring any trans man who disagrees with you and then attempting to delegitimize all intersex people who look you dead in the face in the transfem and Transmasc playing fields and tell you ur wrong...

Bro just say you hate Transmascs and anyone who might be slightly aligned with them and go home you intersexist piece of shit.

Also the whole " stop calling anti-transandrophobia truthers baddels! That's something specific"

My brother in CHRIST, THEY ARE LITTERALLY UNIRONICALLY IN THE USERNAMES OF THE PEOPLE YOU REBLOG FROM. BULLSHIT.

Anyway the fact y'all are all fucking white trans women and CONSTANTLY bring up black and indigenous people's experiences with gender while also being unironic baddels aka a horrifically abusive to trans men (including rape) and racist ASF movement within your community tells me everything i need to know as a native american two spirit intersex person with no "lean" whose experienced transmysogny and transandrophobia.

This is why they don't trust you motherfuckers, you got no class, just entitlement and weak ass attempts at silencing people you already hate and a weird trauma fetish for black and indigenous people. There is over lap between the transfem experiences and bipoc experiences but there is also an overlap between Transmasc and bipoc experiences, nonbinary and bipoc, like almost everyone can relate to our shit, ur not special 😭 leave us alone and don't use our oppression to try and legitimize your fundamentally transphobic views.

[gaogaigoatgrrl]

how do you pronounce "baeddel" anyway. "baddel"? "bay-del"? "bee-del"? something else? is it even "ae" or is it "æ"?

[creaturebeeing]

one thing that really bothers me in the conversations about transandrophobia is how people imply that infantilization isn't a Big Deal.

The posts I've seen argue that being infantilized just hurts feelings and trans men/mascs just have to get thicker skin.

This is so incredibly hurtful for so many reasons. I want to think more on it and add to this post later but I just wanted to get it out there that the idea that infantilization is just hurt feelings and doesn't lead to loss of body autonomy and rights makes me want to scream

[preciousangelyu]

@faithfulservantoftheking

Beaming over meeting up with his friend it didn't take long for the canine to nuzzling their cheeks together to show how happy goofy was to see the human again "ayuck! it been so long but it so swell to see you doing well yuu"

-Yu grinned at Goofy. It was nice to see the other again, with everything that had been going on, he had been worried that the knight might have gotten hurt, or worse.

-"I didn't mean too lose track of everything. I am just glad to see you now," Yu admitted, smiled still on his face. "How have you been? I am sure you have been busy."

[milf--adjacent]

Something that convinced me that transmysoginy exists more than any other argument was how immediate and violent the reaction from TMEs and adjacent folks was. As soon as you bring up the very idea of queer groups having power dynamics it's a flood of "You're intersexist" "You're transandrophobic" "You have no idea what's going on" "you hate gnc people", etc. etc. without ever trying to debunk the argument, and often resorting to character assassinations.

To 'debunk' the argument would mean they would have to address it which means facing their possibly hidden biases upon which they build their own narrative of superiority. They wanna say "you're a bunch of baddel bigot transfem supremacists" when in reality we're chipping away at their own supremacist values simply by mentioning that we are whole people who are consistently forgotten and undervalued by queer communities at large. They think we "want on top" when all we want is an end to veiled hate and dismissal of our thoughts, feelings, and experiences because we were forced to walk through life with a big 'M' on our records and somehow that means we lived the good life until we started "pretending" to be women. All we want is to be considered and included.

Like there was this gushing outporing of support for that post that told trans women to stay alive then told trans men to stay alive, and a bunch of TME people were like "I've never heard it phrased for trans men before!" and while I can respect their experience 1. We curate our own experiences here, so maybe follow some more positive trans men and you'll see plenty of transmasc positivity (I see plenty and I'm not even looking for it!) and 2. Which part of the community has a long, lingering, often unreported suicide issue? Which types of trans people are ostracized from the groups and communities that are supposed to help them and care for them? Which group of trans people makes up the bulk of the trans suicide stats?

Trans women are dying of lonliness and despair every day, and some TME people want to turn it into a "both sides" issue of "balance" and "fairness." I think one side lacks proper balance and fairness since one side has entire stores and clothing lines dedicated to their needs, but when I want a bra or shoes in my size, I have to wade through listings labeled "CROSSDRESSER SISSY BOTTOM TRANSEXUAL CLOTHING FOR MEN" to find something. I go to the queer support group and I am the only transfem in the room and the whole organization is run by TME people. I go to pride and there's so much fanfare for the drag queens who live their lives as gay men and only adopt womanhood as a performance, but even for the fucking TRANS MARCH, only one transfem is given space to speak on stage, and she is quickly bustled from the stage so a TME DJ can spin a super mid remix of I Feel Love (should have just played the extended dance mix for fucks sake) and yet another drag queen can perform.

It's not just me noticing these things, and many transfems aren't half as brave as me because of histories of abuse and neglect.

To even validate the argument that transfems are overlooked and neglected would be to address one's role in making that happen so consistently, so it's easier for that type of TME person to cast individual trans women as some sort of monster than to address their own internalized transmisogyny. No one likes to be told they're hurting someone, but no one goes full hater as quickly as a white queer person who is told their lack of empathy empowers transmisogyny.

[tpwrtrmnky]

i mean you can backpedal about not what you meant by the infighting comics all you want but you still have a user-submitted "transfems are all nasty bitches for saying transfem as a label only applies to camab people" up on your blog? except instead of "annoying loser baddel transfeminists" it says "people born as purple" isnt that so cool and wacky and not transmisogynistic at all XDD

Oh, that's how that reads without the context that I've used purple people as part of an intersex metaphor?

That's unfortunate, thanks for informing me.

[doberbutts]

Maybe it's my years in the biphobia trenches speaking, but is it just me or is a lot of "baddel" stuff just blatantly, word-for-word recycled biphobia?? I swear I'm getting deja vu.

Why do you think I've been refusing to let that line budge for so long over here?

Like. Ignoring that I have bi, and pan, and ace, and butch, and nonbinary friends. I've seen this play out with people swapping the identity but not the logic or wording over and over again. I know this trick and it's a bad one.

And I have said from the start one day it will be us. One day I will want the allies who've been through it once before already. It's all recycled and repackaged garbage. And when it's not our turn anymore it'll be someone else.

[t4tails]

trans women are still amab they still use amab privlege to oppress transmascs, transfems do not have oppression like transmascs u see transfems oppressing transmascs and using there prilvlege and deny they have it? baddel FREAK

idgaf lol

[velvetvexations]

I’m not familiar with the term baddel (?) beyond a lot of threads discussing why it’s a transmisognistic conspiracy theory

it's a medieval word for intersex people that a clique of trans women on Tumblr used to label themselves while pushing radfem bullshit until eventually a sex abuse scandal broke them up

now "baeddel" is an insulting term for transradfems, many of whom actively still identify themselves as baeddels

[rjalker]

hey so what's up with people pretending baeddels never exist and don't exist right now, as though there hasn't been a recent surge of people literally proudly putting baddel and variations of in their name the way TERFs do with "rad" and "womb"? and downplaying the whole thing as "niche tumblr ideology" like it wasn't a real cult with real world consequences for all of its victims?

[t4t4t]

About your beaddle post, I've seen the word float around for years without ever being able to find any information about what it means nor it's history (I've genuinely tried finding info myself but I haven't had any succes). I'd really appreciate it if you'd explain it or point me in the direction of some info on it. feel free to ignore this ofc.

Well Phoenix chrisdornerfanclub wrote a post about it that I would link but she has me blocked for other reasons. The user baeddel has had a semi tradition of making history posts about the word and has updated that a few times but you could imagine how hard it is to try find posts with that when her name is that, just pulls up random posts from her whole blog. I'm pretty sure other users have made commentaries on it over the years, especially with the transunity debacle. (autogyne-redacted possibly?) But yeah I would have followed Yillow, morphodyke, and baeddel in 2017 so I became attached to the word between those two moments.

Well anyway to be brief, it partially comes from Old English law texts that forbade intercourse with a baedling, and gave a worse punishment for a baedling fornicating with a baedling. Baedan is an anarchist journal that's been around since 2012 (Yillow told me she was unsure if Baedan 2 was written by the same people as Baedan 1) that references this term baedling, but only once at the start.

(They say: "No Future, Edelman’s magnum opus of queer negativity, offers a series of crucial lessons for baedlings; that is, for those of us whose queerness means the refusal of society and not any negotiation with or within it." Which is some explanation but not much.)

Baedan is a verb that means, to defile. The defiled defiler, think of the anti queer groomer narratives. But this was like, the 13th century, I think. Interestingly, it might have been an invented slur of someone trying to translate a slur from Latin, if I remember correctly from baeddel's posts. But yeah.

Also it's probably where the word bad comes from.

Etymonline says:

c. 1300, "inadequate, unsatisfactory, worthless; unfortunate;" late 14c., "wicked, evil, vicious; counterfeit;" from 13c. in surnames (William Badde, Petri Badde, Asketinus Baddecheese, Rads Badinteheved). Rare before 1400, and evil was more common until c. 1700 as the ordinary antithesis of good. It has no apparent relatives in other languages. It is possibly from Old English derogatory term bæddel and its diminutive bædling "effeminate man, hermaphrodite, pederast," which probably are related to bædan "to defile."

"The orig. word, AS. bæddel, ME. baddel, on account of its sinister import, is scarcely found in literature, but, like other words of similar sense, it prob. flourished in vulgar speech as an indefinite term of abuse, and at length, divested of its original meaning, emerged in literary use as a mere adj., badde, equiv. to the older evil." [Century Dictionary, 1897]

[sylvia-on-the-run]

the baddel conspiracy of. the group that called itself that???

I do honestly love how disingenious this is that im 90% certain you are in fact nothorses, nobody unaware of exactly what im talking about would say it like this. It's kind of amazing

[methed-up-marxist]

From Blocklist target to not even getting the ask. Truly I am fallen in the eyes of the baddel illuminaghti

[trans-leek-cookie]

ur not transmasc ur a baddel transfem making us look bad

WHEEZE?

[corvidcall]

can u address why u think transmascs can be trans misogynistic when we experience transmisogyny and have sex based oppression, transfems are amab and always our oppressors, transfems stole the trans community from us, they steal from transmascs, and u say transmascs can be transmisogynysic when thats our term thats stolen from us and transfems oppress transmascs

fuck off baddel apologize to transmascs now

L + ratio + this is fake + youre just sending this to make transmasc activists look insane + youre getting coal for christmas this year santa told me

[lttleghost]

this is only an aside to the harassment transfems (and largely transfem lesbians) are receiving at the moment but it sure is interesting that many guys who say things like "those baddels are excluding he/him lesbians and lesbians who have complex identities with manhood/masculinity" usually seem to have this underlying assumption that he/him lesbians and lesbians with complex identities that they're talking about are never transfem themselves