#anti-wavier

[panphilosopher]

Weems, glaring at her students: You answered your career path seriously, right?

[All the students' heads bowed, trying not look her in the eye]

Weems: I'll check it right here.

Weems: [pulls out Kent's, Career choice: High School Student] See, I know it! This is what I'm talking about! I begging you, take this seriously!

Weems: [pulls out Eugene's, Career choice: be science adventurer] Which one?!

Weems: [pulls out Xavier's, Career choice: be Wednesday's husband] Try be realistic here!

Weems: [pulls out Ajax', Career choice: don't want to be a doctor] Then don't write anything down!

Weems: [pulls out Yoko's, Career choice: have Harem of Girls] Gross! Pervert! Why will you write that down!?

Weems: [pulls out Divina's, Career choice: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯] Huh?!

Weems: [pulls out Bianca's, Career choice: get a beloved mother] Get therepy, not a new mom!

Weems: [pulls out Enid's, Career choice: be Wednesday's mistress] Why not just marry her?!

Weems: [pulls out Wednesday's, Career choice: become successful author][flip over the desk] Make a joke!

[darklinaforever]

I'll never understand people who ship Wednesday with Xavier and call Tyler a walking red flag, when clearly the real walking red flag in the show besides Wednesday herself is Xavier.

[scrumptiousobjectcollector]

Xavier literally stalking Wednesday into the woods. Trying to control who she talks to. Then is absolutely dismissive and pretentious about her inquiries about the monster.

Then she tells him about crackstone burning a whole slew of outcasts and his only reaction is "he was an asshole"... imagine being that obtuse.

Then he has the nerve to say "emotion isn't your strong suit". Get this man away from her now. Let's mirror this moment in the woods vs Wednesday telling Enid about Nero.

*this is a pro wednesday post not a pro wyler post. She needs a restraining order on both of them /hj

[novemberwasgrey]

When your only hope for the plot in S2 is this:

Wednesday: So basically the only way to save the school again is killing Tyler?

Xavier: AND NOW LOOK AT ME AND THIS OPPORTUNITYYYY

[scooter-ing]

hi, another incoherent blurb. i apologize in advance. i wrote a little para about this earlier but

ugh, there's something about rewatching scenes in wednesday and just noticing xavier's behavior.

like, he's so entitled. idk, i feel like he just thinks he's deserving of wednesday's attention and affection even though wednesday brushes him off so much. and i don't wanna just repeat shit, but?? "i should've let rowan kill you" to expecting wednesday to actually text him is just 💀. leave her alone girl.

not to mention how creepy it was for him to just be like "oh i ASSUME you're here to ask me out to the dance!" knowing wednesday fucking addams is literally just snooping around his art studio? i feel like especially since he specifically remembered her from that one really vivid memory of her "saving" him at a funeral would lead him to at least not jump to the weirdest fucking conclusion of "oh this chick wants to ask me to be her date to a dance."

and i know what they're trying to do. they're trying to recreate a morticia/gomez type relationship with wednesday and xavier. the "oh we first met at a funeral, how romantic for an addams" blah blah whatever. like girl, wednesday didn't even fucking remember him, 💀💀 he was that irrelevant. if you wanna make wednesday date a guy, make it that joel guy from the old movies, they actually kissed instead of whatever weird stalker-y tactics xavier uses. xavier is actually so embarrassing.

"oh but wednesday took an arrow for xavier at the end!!" enid sinclair, who literally had built up self-loathing due to emotional abuse from her mother regarding her inability to wolf-out, literally fucking wolfed-out because of wednesday!! oh my god!! enid and wednesday's bond was that strong! and btw any post about wednesday is probably going to be relating to wenclair so my bad ig

[waviermylove]

“You're going to go through life thinking that people don't like you because you killed people and you're a Hyde. And I want you to know, from the bottom of my heart, that that won't be true. It'll be because you're an asshole.”

—Xavier Thorpe, to Tyler Galpin

[incorrect-wenvier-quotes]

Tyler: *Gets down on one knee*

Wednesday: Oh, it’s finally happening.

Xavier: *Walks in*

Xavier: Wednesday...?

Tyler: *Falls over*

Wednesday: The poison is kicking in.

[littybeech]

“I love how aggressively she kisses back, like she wants to eat me alive.”

[couragehopelovefaith]

May or may have not watched Wednesday in one night. Officially hooked. Jenna did an amazing job.  Wouldn’t be mad if Wednesday stayed single, but when it comes to ships...Strongly anti Wyler. It’s a tie between Wavier and Wenclair for me.  The most important thing to me is that she will still be written and developing believably.

I loved the bond between her and her brother, and her complicated relationship to her parents was interesting to follow as well. Thing and Enid stole the show for me this season. I’m so sad about Mrs Weems, I hope she will return somehow. I also loved the development of Bianca, I’m excited to see more of her. Can’t wait for season 2, there’s so much potential.

[darklinaforever]

So… I saw someone say that Wednesday and Xavier were a typical Tim Burton couple because they're both "Socially awkward outcast and kind hearted" And I wondered what that person was up to smoke ?

No because when it comes to being an outcast, you know who else is ? Tyler. Besides, Wednesday has as much trouble fitting in with normal people as it does with pariahs. And Tyler is in exactly the same situation. Especially Tyler. So sorry, but Tyler is a lot more like Wednesday on that outcast-wise.

Also… When is Xavier socially awkward in society during the series ? Because I have no memory of that. I mean, Wednesday is the one who really struggles with this. But whether it's Xavier or Tyler, both handle the basic social aspect much better.

Then, as for having a "good heart", uh… how to say ? They all have it ? And everyone has their problems ? Tyler may hate outcasts and be a Hyde (which isn't a choice, he was born that way), but he's mentally disturbed and first and foremost a victim of abuse. It's not a monster. Just someone misunderstood who has been hurt, who has been fed his anxieties, as well as planting the seed of his hatred for the pariah.

Wednesday is a girl with sociopathic and / or serial killer tendencies, but she cares about the people she has love / affection for and will do anything to protect them.

Xavier is a guy… rather nice and normal but who, sorry, seems quite toxic in terms of romantic relationships.

I also want to say that precisely, Tim Burton tends to create couples between human / monster, or between people unsuited to society, but once again, Tyler corresponds much more to Wednesday on this point. He's an outcast as much to humans as he is to the outcasts in question, just like Wednesday.

You can like whatever ship you want, but just don't deny the fact. Is Xavier an outcast ? Yes. But as much as everyone in the school. It does not give him a particular link with Wednesday on this point. He's not the same type as Wednesday in terms of an outcast, unlike, again, Tyler's character.

At least that's my opinion. I really don't understand the fans of the ship between Wednesday and Xavier. They are nothing special. They are bland and boring to me. However, there are people who compare them to Gomez and Morticia ?! Like, sorry ?! I even have a friend of mine who is convinced that Wednesday will end with Xavier, that the end of season 1 sets this up and that there is no hope with Tyler, simply because he is a Hyde and lied See you Wednesday on that then… That he had no choice ? He had a fucking master ? Sorry, but I don't understand people who love these two together.

[novemberwasgrey]

Let's be clear on something

Wednesday AND Xavier are Slytherins.

Proud misunderstood artists who want to be recognized for their true worth and something other than their family's reputation (Wednesday doesn't want to be in Morticia's shadow and Xavier doesn't want to be associated to his famous dad).

Tyler is not a Slytherin just because he's a monster. At best, he's a Gryffindor gone bad like Peter Pettigrew.

[persephoneed]

I’m very old and tired so I’m not going to fight or argue with anyone who disagrees but these are some of my Thoughts™️

I’m a very normal amount of obsessed with Hunter Doohan so I listened to that entire podcast episode he was on recently the one where we all lost our minds because he used the words “Wednesday,��� “Tyler,” and “sexual compatibility” all in the same sentence

At one point he brought up Wenclair and he was really cute about it! He said that he found it to be the “great irony of his life” that he would play the love interest that “gets in the way of the queer ship” because he’s gay and happily married to another man irl. He even said how the Wenclair shippers are sweet to him, and he loves their enthusiasm for the show and the characters.

He also talked at length about online harassment he gets…he never mentioned any of it being stemmed from shipping wars. All of it was related to his personal life and his sexuality, which is unfortunately very reflective of the recent backlash we’ve been seeing towards the lgbt+ community.

I want more love, hype, and support for Hunter from everyone in the fandom regardless of shipping preferences or opinions of Tyler. He’s really sweet and talented, seems like a down-to-earth guy, and he just deserves it!

Does it get annoying to hear people call Tyler “boring”? Or frustrating to see people dismiss the grooming and manipulation that happened to him? Does being a Wyler stan sometimes feel like you’re on board a sinking ship? Absolutely.

But honestly the best way to be supportive of Hunter (or Tyler or Wyler) isn’t to become defensive against queer interpretations of characters. Whether Wyler remains canon or not, Hunter is not going to lose his job; the writers seem invested enough in his character to keep him in the storyline whether Wednesday is romantically involved with him, someone else, or no one at all.

On a smaller scale, the best way to support Hunter is by being supportive of those queer character interpretations; on a larger scale it’s to be a good human and be supportive of the lgbt+ community. Because that’s what actually affects him on a daily basis. Being so “anti” towards Wenclair (even if you’re in equal amounts against Wavier) isn’t helpful towards that goal. Nor does it do any favors for the actor playing one half of your OTP.

Honestly, it isn’t a betrayal to Wyler by imagining any of the characters as anything other than straight - for whatever reason that may be. Just because on the surface Wyler is a heterosexual ship doesn’t inherently mean that either or both characters have to be heterosexual, nor does it mean that any of us are forbidden from having lgbt+ headcanons.

And it especially does not mean that we tolerate homophobia or biphobia in our community.

[waviermylove]

Wednesday: So, when my father lost his funeral parlor, my Uncle Fester-

Bianca: We don't have time for a weird Wednesday story right now. Just tell us your idea.

Wednesday: In short, We make a gruesome hostage video where it appears we're torturing Tyler and about to kill him.

Bianca:

Ajax:

Yoko:

Tyler, chained up and gagged:

Wednesday: Then we actually kill him via decapitation.

Kent: I’m scared.

Bianca: Well then, tell us whole thing and spare no detail.

[moonlit-selves]

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[littybeech]

YOU GUYS! Chapter 5?…so angsty, so h0rny on Xavier’s part, references to Xavier self-love 😝, so much anxiety, Thing coming in and being a bro. Ugh, so good.

[hislittleraincloud]

Honest reaction: I haven't even seen the actual long lasting evidence against White (I've been doing a bit of reading around, trying to find the source of these accusations). I found a decent Medium post (maybe you gave me the link before, I don't remember, recall I'm not great right now due to dog passing) that tried to explain things but the Twitter links are all broken. I.e. the girls who accused him deleted the accusations.

There was one link that worked though, a link to a recording of his account being what could be perceived as homophobic, and I found that juvenile and a bit homophobic. I don't do homophobes, even though all the Wenclairs think me to be one at the moment (sorry, but if you need to gripe about a 'phobic trans man, go do it about fkn transphobic Buck Angel...now that is a vile excuse for a human in general).

But, he was also young. He still is. They're all still frightfully young, at the age where the average PFC hasn't settled. And Ortega was/(is?) friends with him. If he spoke and did things like that in public, imagine the kind of shit he said in private with Ortega and the rest of the gang. And she didn't care about that, still hung out with him and made a whole ass movie with him.

But now, after being harassed about him, she's shut herself down from making anything public. She has a similar view of celebrity that I do (but from an obviously different perspective). She spoke about not planning on talking about her personal life

and also spoke, under the topic of her Palestine support/leaving Scream 7; however the only people who really complain about political correctness are conservative leaning, and I think her comment about it reaches beyond the subject of Palestine politics:

I don't think she's that conservative, but she is mindful that echo chambers aren't a good thing and that conversation around hot topics needs to be honest.

So I am being honest about my criticisms of the novelization and how it relates to canon (our canon being the show/M&G's team writing/Burton's directing/Ortega's performance). And of the fandom reactions. And of the definite queerbaiting that's going on with it.

It doesn't help that Ortega's painted as a girl kisser for what she does on screen, but that's acting. Christina Ricci did the exact same thing in her acting career. She kissed (and made out with) Charlize Theron in Monster. She kissed Ashley Greene in Pan Am. She deep-kissed (and presumably fkd) Ruby Rose in Around the Block.

There's more I believe, but you get the picture. Now, Ricci is married with a kid she had during the filming of Wednesday. She has said that "I am a Christian. I haven't really talked about that before. It is something very private. But I do pray and my beliefs are very important to me." It's the same vibe Ortega gave off in her book, but she doesn't freely talk about it now. They know the lines between acting and real life, and it's still defined the way that it has always been defined: Acting is acting. That definition hasn't changed, but the perception of the actor vs. their actions has been twisted into self-identity by fans and people who aren't actors.

Nothing with Ricci's work was queerbaiting (and essentially, nothing Ortega does in her work is purposeful baiting), but this book is definitely bait and retcon, and I am sorely disappointed that a trans man would contribute to the baiting of kids in the community at the expense of canon.

✨✍🏽✨

I'm not a White stan or a Wavier stan. I said before that I really don't care who ships what (unless it's real people: STOP FUCKING DOING THAT, ALL Y'ALLS, JERCY AND JEMMA ALIKE); Wednesday is going to be single and singularly minded in Wednesday 2, and nothing fandom does (including Mejia) can do anything about that. It's the Enid/Ajax factor that people are really ignoring, just as they're ignoring it in W1; once again, Ortega and co. said that there would be no romance for Wednesday herself, but given that this is a teen show, romance will be a part of it, and it's interesting that so far I haven't seen anyone ask them directly about Enid/Ajax, they're always asking about the relationship between Wednesday and Enid and I think that makes Myers tired and uncomfortable at this point, especially since she doesn't want to totally piss off the fan base. (Imagine doing promo for your new non-Wednesday Netflix movie and being constantly asked about it.) Enid's gonna be Wednesday's "guard dog". 💀 Better than nothing, eh.

All of that said, I am still part of the 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ brigade and always will be. I'm an elder now. I've been through all of that shit everyone's worried about happening to them. I was harassed mercilessly in my New England high school because of it, because I lived my life openly at a time when it wasn't safe to do so (1989 through 1992 were my high school years); there wasn't a day that went by that I wasn't harassed by this one fucker who would bend down (I was a short queen like Ortega 💀) and scream "DYYYYYYYKE!" in my face or shove me into the cold, concrete walls. (It only stopped after he and his buddies were killed in a fiery car crash next to one of my friend's houses...they were drunk and lost control of the fkn car, slammed into a tree...OH WELL 🕊️). And no, there was no help for me back then; the counselors and Headmaster were both homophobes.

So it does make me bristle when the kids think that these criticisms are attacking them because of their sexuality, or that I'm attacking the novel because of its Wenclair bones. That whole "stop being homophobic!" is the same old kind of shit some of us in Potter faced when Black Hermione was being pushed around as canon ("stop being racist!"). Black Hermione found her way to adjacent "canon" sanctioned by Rowling in Cursed Child, but she never pushed back at it by bringing up her multiple conceptual drawings of Hermione as a little white British girl with fluffy/curly hair (and really, people pushing that she HAD to be Black because of her hair is fkn racist in itself). Don't get me started on the mental gymnastics used to force an Indian background on Harry. There hasn't been any pushback on Wenclair either because they all have seen how vicious the kids can get these days with social media so integral to their lives; to them it's personal.

But pushback needs to be free of judgements or language that can be construed as homophobic. I've seen you, romance, calling things "sick" and such in relation to this whole argument. Wenclair as a ship isn't sick; it's fun fantasy, just as most fandom ships are supposed to be. I get that Wenovan is squicky to people, but it isn't any more or less squicky than Snapemione (which has a MUCH bigger fanbase than Wenovan...Black Bubblegum is a tiny, tiny speck in comparison); it's the same concept. (Precocious, super intelligent girl going after the old, broken, but knowledgeable man. Donovan is no Snape, but situationally it's very similar to Snapemione. Think about it.)

Back in Potter before Joanne went transphobic nuts, we all coexisted like normal humans, acknowledging each other's ships and debating about them if there was upset (my GOD the ship wars 💀 I only survived because I didn't make a fucking Horcrux based on my ship...I shipped Pumpkin Pie, but never treated it as seriously as others, so I sat on the sidelines watching people burn each other to the ground in the Harmony/Pumpkin Pie vs. Good Ship & Chocolate). This may seem like a digression, but what I'm getting to: We were all critical of each others' ships, but we never let it get towards a place where it could be construed as awful, anti-gay, bigoted criticism. Slashers and femslashers existed, we were all comrades in fandom, and I didn't witness any fandom people using homophobic language against others; that came with Warriors for Innocence.

I understand that with the evolution of social media, there was an evolution of identity and identity politics that transformed the way we relate to things in the media, and under that media. The new generation of fans are a product of lives lived with a saturation of social media woven into their personal identity and a self-identification that bleeds into their judgements. They desperately need their fanon to be canon because they want Ortega to be representative, they see her as a girl kisser so it has to be, and Mejia gave them the fan service that they were craving after two years of hearing nothing; they call it canon because it was commissioned by Netflix and MGM.

But it is not canon. Our canon is what we see on the screen; what Millar & Gough, Burton, and the other writers and directors put out.

More importantly, our canon is what Ortega so carefully put out for us; she was pulling her own hair out, crying, and not getting much sleep over it. That her performance was not respected is also what bothers me.

The famous dance scene in particular, the one that created a sensation around the world, was completely and utterly decimated by Mejia in favor of injecting fanon Wenclair into the scene; where NC/(Netflix Canon, I've used this before) Wednesday dances alone to her own beat for and with Tyler until the first paint drops fall (ha ha, WOW, as I write this, "Welcome to the Rave'N!" just happened on my TV), Fanon Wednesday dances with Enid bumping shoulders (and then having after-dance conversation with her). It is a penultimate example of retconning.

As the linked piece says, retconning isn't always bad, but here, it is bad. And we don't have to accept it as canon. We can dissect it and talk about it as it relates to fandom and the show without judgement about the 🏳️‍🌈 slant that the Wenclairs are taking it to be, and without the language that is offensive to the community, and that's all that I'm doing. It really isn't my fault that the kids are taking it as an all-out assault on their ship, but when you use language that is judgemental about it, it reflects poorly on the argument that we're trying to make. So please, stop with the "disgusting!" talk.

I realize that the majority of those pissy about what I'm saying aren't going to read all of this — they're certainly commenting about subjects I addressed in previous postings because they don't fucking read anything that flies against their solid walls of brainrot. They're complaining that I should use the "anti" tag instead of the Wenclair tag, but yanno...no. That doesn't work, since this is the relevant topic and it's not anti; I see Wenclair as part of the party of fandom, since other ships exist beyond it (just as Drarry and Hermioninny and even Weasleycest exist/ed in the Potter fandom). My sentiments about this novelization are anti-retcon, so sure, I'll use THAT tag. Perhaps you too can be reasonable about this so we can discuss Mejia's novelization without the judgements.

Literally, the minute Wednesday left the room, Enid invited her boyfriend over and started snogging him enthusiastically...

Yeah, I see the queer coding #wenclair have been talking about 😏🫢 lol.

On the other hand, Xavier is devastated that Wednesday kissed another boy, even though she was the one to put him in jail...

And the turmoil that "the kiss" caused him was greater than the one caused by being falsely accused...

Trust me, if such a passion existed between Wednesday and Enid, I would be the first to notice.

@hislittleraincloud

#wenclair shippers don't want us to use the hashtag simply because they are being roasted with canon events from the show, and none of them are capable of giving arguments to defend their ship.

All they do is resort to insults or gaslighting.

Not to mention that these vile creatures targeted Percy for an entire defamation campaign that we will be exposing very soon.