#anti wenvier

[fruity-forest-dweller]

Someone needs to stop these white men fr. I mean, come on, how can you look at the love corner in Wednesday and tell me either one of them was a good match for her.

You have contestant number one: Tyler who Wednesday had showed literally ZERO interest in and only interacted with in order to get what she wanted. She basically treated him like an uber with the one nice thing she did before being confronted about her "feelings" being fixing the coffee maker just so she could get her coffee. Tyler insisted that Wednesday was giving him signals and that something was going on between them and the only time this girl ever gave him the time of day was when some outside source pushed her towards acting on romantic feelings that truly weren't even there. And sure, Wednesday kissed Tyler but aside from that very moment, she had never even shown an inkling of ever actually liking this man in any capasity.

Then we have contestant number two: Xavier who Wednesday had saved once before when they were young and then was saved by early on in the season. As soon as things started going awry Wednesday immediately suspected him of being the culprit and more often than not Wednesday seemed offended at his very existence. He also seemed to think Wednesday had a thing for him and seemed like she'd rather be buried alive than ask this man on a date even if it was to save her own ass.

Now ENID on the other hand, contestant number three: both of them were basically willing to go to the ends of the earth for each other. Although Wednesday hated her at the start, she quickly warmed up to Enid and what started out as a connection that would get Wednesday what she wanted became one of her deepest relationships (romantic or otherwise). She threatened to fuck up Ajax if he ever hurt Enid, she was willing to wear the snood Enid got her and made up with Thing for the other girl's sake, and Wednesday showed very clear signs of being upset when her and enid fought with the only other time Wednesday was upset being when Thing nearly died. On top of that, she also allowed enid to hug her and even hugged Enid back, something wednesday doesn't even do with her own family

[darklinaforever]

So… I saw someone say that Wednesday and Xavier were a typical Tim Burton couple because they're both "Socially awkward outcast and kind hearted" And I wondered what that person was up to smoke ?

No because when it comes to being an outcast, you know who else is ? Tyler. Besides, Wednesday has as much trouble fitting in with normal people as it does with pariahs. And Tyler is in exactly the same situation. Especially Tyler. So sorry, but Tyler is a lot more like Wednesday on that outcast-wise.

Also… When is Xavier socially awkward in society during the series ? Because I have no memory of that. I mean, Wednesday is the one who really struggles with this. But whether it's Xavier or Tyler, both handle the basic social aspect much better.

Then, as for having a "good heart", uh… how to say ? They all have it ? And everyone has their problems ? Tyler may hate outcasts and be a Hyde (which isn't a choice, he was born that way), but he's mentally disturbed and first and foremost a victim of abuse. It's not a monster. Just someone misunderstood who has been hurt, who has been fed his anxieties, as well as planting the seed of his hatred for the pariah.

Wednesday is a girl with sociopathic and / or serial killer tendencies, but she cares about the people she has love / affection for and will do anything to protect them.

Xavier is a guy… rather nice and normal but who, sorry, seems quite toxic in terms of romantic relationships.

I also want to say that precisely, Tim Burton tends to create couples between human / monster, or between people unsuited to society, but once again, Tyler corresponds much more to Wednesday on this point. He's an outcast as much to humans as he is to the outcasts in question, just like Wednesday.

You can like whatever ship you want, but just don't deny the fact. Is Xavier an outcast ? Yes. But as much as everyone in the school. It does not give him a particular link with Wednesday on this point. He's not the same type as Wednesday in terms of an outcast, unlike, again, Tyler's character.

At least that's my opinion. I really don't understand the fans of the ship between Wednesday and Xavier. They are nothing special. They are bland and boring to me. However, there are people who compare them to Gomez and Morticia ?! Like, sorry ?! I even have a friend of mine who is convinced that Wednesday will end with Xavier, that the end of season 1 sets this up and that there is no hope with Tyler, simply because he is a Hyde and lied See you Wednesday on that then… That he had no choice ? He had a fucking master ? Sorry, but I don't understand people who love these two together.

[novemberwasgrey]

When your only hope for the plot in S2 is this:

Wednesday: So basically the only way to save the school again is killing Tyler?

Xavier: AND NOW LOOK AT ME AND THIS OPPORTUNITYYYY

[waviermylove]

“You're going to go through life thinking that people don't like you because you killed people and you're a Hyde. And I want you to know, from the bottom of my heart, that that won't be true. It'll be because you're an asshole.”

—Xavier Thorpe, to Tyler Galpin

[incorrect-wenvier-quotes]

Tyler: *Gets down on one knee*

Wednesday: Oh, it’s finally happening.

Xavier: *Walks in*

Xavier: Wednesday...?

Tyler: *Falls over*

Wednesday: The poison is kicking in.

[littybeech]

“I love how aggressively she kisses back, like she wants to eat me alive.”

[darklinaforever]

Me, when I see people shipping Gwyn & Azriel (Gwynriel), Elain & Lucien (Elucien), Sophie & Fitz (Sophitz), Shuri & Riri (Shuriri), Jon & Sansa (Jonsa), Wednesday & Xavier (Wavier / Wenvier), Elora & Kit, The Doctor & Donna, Feyre & Tamlin (Feylin), Stiles & Malia (Stalia), Katniss & Gale, Glimmer & Adora (Glimmadora), Dawson & Joey, Addie & Henry, Finn & Rey (Finrey), Rhaenyra & Harwin (Rhaewin), Rhaenyra & Alicent (Rhaenicent), Daemon & Mysaria, Daemon & Laena, Daemon & Nettles, Ross & Rachel (Roschel), Mal & Alina (Malina), Mai & Zuko (Maiko), Katara & Aang (Kataang) :

[novemberwasgrey]

Let's be clear on something

Wednesday AND Xavier are Slytherins.

Proud misunderstood artists who want to be recognized for their true worth and something other than their family's reputation (Wednesday doesn't want to be in Morticia's shadow and Xavier doesn't want to be associated to his famous dad).

Tyler is not a Slytherin just because he's a monster. At best, he's a Gryffindor gone bad like Peter Pettigrew.

[waviermylove]

Wednesday: So, when my father lost his funeral parlor, my Uncle Fester-

Bianca: We don't have time for a weird Wednesday story right now. Just tell us your idea.

Wednesday: In short, We make a gruesome hostage video where it appears we're torturing Tyler and about to kill him.

Bianca:

Ajax:

Yoko:

Tyler, chained up and gagged:

Wednesday: Then we actually kill him via decapitation.

Kent: I’m scared.

Bianca: Well then, tell us whole thing and spare no detail.

[novemberwasgrey]

Xavier and Wednesday on a nice car ride:

Xavier: Hey babe, did you know that in only three and a half minutes, the heat from a house fire can reach over 1100 degrees Fahrenheit?

Wednesday: As morbidly interesting this information is, why are you telling me this?

Xavier *stops the car in front of the Galpin house*: No particular reason.

[novemberwasgrey]

Wednesday *to Tyler*: Xavier taught me to think before I act.

Wednesday: ...So if I smack the shit out of you, rest assured that I thought about it and am confident in my decision.

[novemberwasgrey]

Enid: I'm cold.

Ajax: Here, take my jacket.

Enid: Aw, thanks babe!

Meanwhile...

Xavier: I'm cold- wait, Wednesday what are you doing?

Wednesday *wraps him with all the blankets she could find*: It is my duty to make sure you don't die of stupid causes. Must protect beloved at all costs.

BONUS:

Tyler: You know what, I'm cold too-

Wednesday: I can't control the weather, Tyler. Freeze to death.

[hislittleraincloud]

Honest reaction: I haven't even seen the actual long lasting evidence against White (I've been doing a bit of reading around, trying to find the source of these accusations). I found a decent Medium post (maybe you gave me the link before, I don't remember, recall I'm not great right now due to dog passing) that tried to explain things but the Twitter links are all broken. I.e. the girls who accused him deleted the accusations.

There was one link that worked though, a link to a recording of his account being what could be perceived as homophobic, and I found that juvenile and a bit homophobic. I don't do homophobes, even though all the Wenclairs think me to be one at the moment (sorry, but if you need to gripe about a 'phobic trans man, go do it about fkn transphobic Buck Angel...now that is a vile excuse for a human in general).

But, he was also young. He still is. They're all still frightfully young, at the age where the average PFC hasn't settled. And Ortega was/(is?) friends with him. If he spoke and did things like that in public, imagine the kind of shit he said in private with Ortega and the rest of the gang. And she didn't care about that, still hung out with him and made a whole ass movie with him.

But now, after being harassed about him, she's shut herself down from making anything public. She has a similar view of celebrity that I do (but from an obviously different perspective). She spoke about not planning on talking about her personal life

and also spoke, under the topic of her Palestine support/leaving Scream 7; however the only people who really complain about political correctness are conservative leaning, and I think her comment about it reaches beyond the subject of Palestine politics:

I don't think she's that conservative, but she is mindful that echo chambers aren't a good thing and that conversation around hot topics needs to be honest.

So I am being honest about my criticisms of the novelization and how it relates to canon (our canon being the show/M&G's team writing/Burton's directing/Ortega's performance). And of the fandom reactions. And of the definite queerbaiting that's going on with it.

It doesn't help that Ortega's painted as a girl kisser for what she does on screen, but that's acting. Christina Ricci did the exact same thing in her acting career. She kissed (and made out with) Charlize Theron in Monster. She kissed Ashley Greene in Pan Am. She deep-kissed (and presumably fkd) Ruby Rose in Around the Block.

There's more I believe, but you get the picture. Now, Ricci is married with a kid she had during the filming of Wednesday. She has said that "I am a Christian. I haven't really talked about that before. It is something very private. But I do pray and my beliefs are very important to me." It's the same vibe Ortega gave off in her book, but she doesn't freely talk about it now. They know the lines between acting and real life, and it's still defined the way that it has always been defined: Acting is acting. That definition hasn't changed, but the perception of the actor vs. their actions has been twisted into self-identity by fans and people who aren't actors.

Nothing with Ricci's work was queerbaiting (and essentially, nothing Ortega does in her work is purposeful baiting), but this book is definitely bait and retcon, and I am sorely disappointed that a trans man would contribute to the baiting of kids in the community at the expense of canon.

✨✍🏽✨

I'm not a White stan or a Wavier stan. I said before that I really don't care who ships what (unless it's real people: STOP FUCKING DOING THAT, ALL Y'ALLS, JERCY AND JEMMA ALIKE); Wednesday is going to be single and singularly minded in Wednesday 2, and nothing fandom does (including Mejia) can do anything about that. It's the Enid/Ajax factor that people are really ignoring, just as they're ignoring it in W1; once again, Ortega and co. said that there would be no romance for Wednesday herself, but given that this is a teen show, romance will be a part of it, and it's interesting that so far I haven't seen anyone ask them directly about Enid/Ajax, they're always asking about the relationship between Wednesday and Enid and I think that makes Myers tired and uncomfortable at this point, especially since she doesn't want to totally piss off the fan base. (Imagine doing promo for your new non-Wednesday Netflix movie and being constantly asked about it.) Enid's gonna be Wednesday's "guard dog". 💀 Better than nothing, eh.

All of that said, I am still part of the 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ brigade and always will be. I'm an elder now. I've been through all of that shit everyone's worried about happening to them. I was harassed mercilessly in my New England high school because of it, because I lived my life openly at a time when it wasn't safe to do so (1989 through 1992 were my high school years); there wasn't a day that went by that I wasn't harassed by this one fucker who would bend down (I was a short queen like Ortega 💀) and scream "DYYYYYYYKE!" in my face or shove me into the cold, concrete walls. (It only stopped after he and his buddies were killed in a fiery car crash next to one of my friend's houses...they were drunk and lost control of the fkn car, slammed into a tree...OH WELL 🕊️). And no, there was no help for me back then; the counselors and Headmaster were both homophobes.

So it does make me bristle when the kids think that these criticisms are attacking them because of their sexuality, or that I'm attacking the novel because of its Wenclair bones. That whole "stop being homophobic!" is the same old kind of shit some of us in Potter faced when Black Hermione was being pushed around as canon ("stop being racist!"). Black Hermione found her way to adjacent "canon" sanctioned by Rowling in Cursed Child, but she never pushed back at it by bringing up her multiple conceptual drawings of Hermione as a little white British girl with fluffy/curly hair (and really, people pushing that she HAD to be Black because of her hair is fkn racist in itself). Don't get me started on the mental gymnastics used to force an Indian background on Harry. There hasn't been any pushback on Wenclair either because they all have seen how vicious the kids can get these days with social media so integral to their lives; to them it's personal.

But pushback needs to be free of judgements or language that can be construed as homophobic. I've seen you, romance, calling things "sick" and such in relation to this whole argument. Wenclair as a ship isn't sick; it's fun fantasy, just as most fandom ships are supposed to be. I get that Wenovan is squicky to people, but it isn't any more or less squicky than Snapemione (which has a MUCH bigger fanbase than Wenovan...Black Bubblegum is a tiny, tiny speck in comparison); it's the same concept. (Precocious, super intelligent girl going after the old, broken, but knowledgeable man. Donovan is no Snape, but situationally it's very similar to Snapemione. Think about it.)

Back in Potter before Joanne went transphobic nuts, we all coexisted like normal humans, acknowledging each other's ships and debating about them if there was upset (my GOD the ship wars 💀 I only survived because I didn't make a fucking Horcrux based on my ship...I shipped Pumpkin Pie, but never treated it as seriously as others, so I sat on the sidelines watching people burn each other to the ground in the Harmony/Pumpkin Pie vs. Good Ship & Chocolate). This may seem like a digression, but what I'm getting to: We were all critical of each others' ships, but we never let it get towards a place where it could be construed as awful, anti-gay, bigoted criticism. Slashers and femslashers existed, we were all comrades in fandom, and I didn't witness any fandom people using homophobic language against others; that came with Warriors for Innocence.

I understand that with the evolution of social media, there was an evolution of identity and identity politics that transformed the way we relate to things in the media, and under that media. The new generation of fans are a product of lives lived with a saturation of social media woven into their personal identity and a self-identification that bleeds into their judgements. They desperately need their fanon to be canon because they want Ortega to be representative, they see her as a girl kisser so it has to be, and Mejia gave them the fan service that they were craving after two years of hearing nothing; they call it canon because it was commissioned by Netflix and MGM.

But it is not canon. Our canon is what we see on the screen; what Millar & Gough, Burton, and the other writers and directors put out.

More importantly, our canon is what Ortega so carefully put out for us; she was pulling her own hair out, crying, and not getting much sleep over it. That her performance was not respected is also what bothers me.

The famous dance scene in particular, the one that created a sensation around the world, was completely and utterly decimated by Mejia in favor of injecting fanon Wenclair into the scene; where NC/(Netflix Canon, I've used this before) Wednesday dances alone to her own beat for and with Tyler until the first paint drops fall (ha ha, WOW, as I write this, "Welcome to the Rave'N!" just happened on my TV), Fanon Wednesday dances with Enid bumping shoulders (and then having after-dance conversation with her). It is a penultimate example of retconning.

As the linked piece says, retconning isn't always bad, but here, it is bad. And we don't have to accept it as canon. We can dissect it and talk about it as it relates to fandom and the show without judgement about the 🏳️‍🌈 slant that the Wenclairs are taking it to be, and without the language that is offensive to the community, and that's all that I'm doing. It really isn't my fault that the kids are taking it as an all-out assault on their ship, but when you use language that is judgemental about it, it reflects poorly on the argument that we're trying to make. So please, stop with the "disgusting!" talk.

I realize that the majority of those pissy about what I'm saying aren't going to read all of this — they're certainly commenting about subjects I addressed in previous postings because they don't fucking read anything that flies against their solid walls of brainrot. They're complaining that I should use the "anti" tag instead of the Wenclair tag, but yanno...no. That doesn't work, since this is the relevant topic and it's not anti; I see Wenclair as part of the party of fandom, since other ships exist beyond it (just as Drarry and Hermioninny and even Weasleycest exist/ed in the Potter fandom). My sentiments about this novelization are anti-retcon, so sure, I'll use THAT tag. Perhaps you too can be reasonable about this so we can discuss Mejia's novelization without the judgements.

Literally, the minute Wednesday left the room, Enid invited her boyfriend over and started snogging him enthusiastically...

Yeah, I see the queer coding #wenclair have been talking about 😏🫢 lol.

On the other hand, Xavier is devastated that Wednesday kissed another boy, even though she was the one to put him in jail...

And the turmoil that "the kiss" caused him was greater than the one caused by being falsely accused...

Trust me, if such a passion existed between Wednesday and Enid, I would be the first to notice.

@hislittleraincloud

#wenclair shippers don't want us to use the hashtag simply because they are being roasted with canon events from the show, and none of them are capable of giving arguments to defend their ship.

All they do is resort to insults or gaslighting.

Not to mention that these vile creatures targeted Percy for an entire defamation campaign that we will be exposing very soon.

[waviermylove]

Principal Weems: And if you see Tyler Galpin, I don't want you making another scene like you did at the funeral, Mr Thorpe.

Xavier: Scene? What scene? It's not my fault the klutz tripped over my foot and fell into an open grave!

Principal Weems: You didn't have to yell 'start shoveling boys!' as he tried to get up.

[waviermylove]

credit to the lovely @what-the-effie :)

In this scene where Tyler Galpin deliberately scratched himself in the chest and then proceeded to make a scene, Xavier used his own scarf to cover up the gash. which was a total waste

Wednesday placed her hands over Xavier’s.

Then she looked up at him, surprised. Wednesday was aware of the bitter history shared between the two boys, how Tyler and his goons had assaulted Xavier and destroyed his mural.

For a split second, Wednesday looked doubtful of her own suspicions of Xavier being the Hyde. Xavier didn’t need to help Tyler, his tormentor at all. Yet for some reason, he still did. Can a true monster be capable of such an act of kindness?

[novemberwasgrey]

We already established that Wenvier has so many parallels with Wednesday's parents. But I just realized something:

If Xavier is Wednesday's Gomez (cute outcast classmate from Nevermore)... does that make Tyler her Garrett (normie who can't take no for an answer with the disapproving dad) ??

Like imagine in the last seasons if we get the same fighting scene between Tyler and Xavier: Tyler lost his mind due to his Hyde being out of control and he's been obsessing over Wednesday, he comes back to Nevermore, sees her and Xavier kissing now that they're together and tries to kill him.

Except Wednesday probably wouldn't panic like Morticia, she'd just take the same sword and slice him up without a doubt like "you interrupted me and my beloved. Farewell."