#anti-klayley

[andreal831]

Let's be honest, you came across it because you love to stalk pages that disagree with you so you can justify your anger.

Also, I don't know what bible you're reading but I don't remember the part where she's pushed up against a bookshelf and lusted after. It's so funny because the sex scenes between klayely and haylijah are so similar so I think you need to either acknowledge your biases or say they both treated her like she was some savior. They both respected her and admired her. I don't know how you try to make distinctions like Elijah's was toxic but Klaus (who choked her out) was pure love.

Klaus would never have gone for it. Be so for real. Klaus didn't even try to go after Hayley in the many opportunities he had. And when I say opportunities, I just mean when she was single, cause we all know she never would have slept with him again after she "hate banged him." Klaus also was possessive of everyone. Even if he had been sexually attracted to Hayley, he never would have accepted her being with someone else because he needed to control her.

In the future, please refrain from using my posts to push your toxic ship. Thanks!

Do you think that Hayley/Elijah/Jackson could’ve potentially worked as a throuple? 👀

I actually laughed when I read this question. Not because I think it would be impossible but because I think it would be absolutely wild. Maybe if the show was being run by more interesting people we could have had a storyline like this. It would make sense.

I mean on one hand, we have Hayley and Elijah who are in love and on the other hand we have a forced marriage. If anyone was going to have a throuple, they were primed for it. I have said it before but I don't believe the unification magic is so aware that Hayley and Elijah couldn't have stayed in a relationship. Also, no one proposed the idea of a throuple. I feel like that would have worked for the magic aspect of it.

If it did work, Hayley would have had to be the one to introduce it, and you know she would have. Hayley, especially at that time, was definitely a 'have your cake and eat it too' kind of person. And that is not a critique on her. She knew what she wanted and she went for it. So why not bring up the idea to the men.

Elijah would have been on board. He had been pinning after Hayley for like two years at that point and would have jumped at the opportunity to be with her in any way possible. He also has lived so long that I don't think it would have been strange to him. I joke that I love jealous Elijah but we really didn't get many scenes where he was obviously jealous. I feel like he was just, essentially, too old for that teen drama. So it wouldn't have bothered him that Hayley was also with Jackson. Especially because it would mean he got to be with her as well. Jackson would have been resistant for a variety of reasons. I can see him saying "That's not how we do things." But there definitely was a power imbalance there so I could see him caving and agreeing, but resenting it. So not a healthy throuple.

However, overtime, I could see Jackson and Elijah finding common ground. People love to say the men are so different, but they really aren't. They just wear different clothes. Jackson is more like a Mikaelson than he or the fandom want to admit. Jackson treats his pack similar to how the Mikaelsons treat their family. I think this is something Elijah and he could bond over. They've both had to make tough decisions, even bad decisions, in order to protect the ones they love. They've both also messed up a lot. They also both cared for Hayley and Hope which would likely be the first common ground they could come to.

I also love to think over time, given the chance, Elijah and Jackson would become friends. I can just see Jackson talking about hunting or some nature thing and Elijah just casually asking questions, trying to pretend he's not that interested. We view Elijah as an uptight business man, but let's not forget he was originally a farmer/warrior from what is present day Virginia. Elijah is a country boy. I would love a scene where Jackson is surprised by Elijah's knowledge of farming or hunting and then Hayley walks into an intense discussion about crop yields or the best way to skin a deer.

To me, it wouldn't ever be a true throuple, it would more likely be an open relationship. I just never got queer vibes from Jackson, but who knows. But if the show had focused more on character development and family, and less on drama, we may have actually seen a begrudging friendship and mutual respect from the two men. And Hayley would have truly benefited from that. But we all know how little Julie likes to let women have control over their relationships.

Thanks for the ask! These are always so fun for me.

[klaysexual]

My daughter has an advantage Klaus never had, she will never ever know you.

THE ORIGINALS | A Closer Walk With Thee (1.20)

[philtatosbuck]

the thing about the thing is that any klaus ship makes more sense than kl*roline and those people have to act like that to compensate. and i do mean literally any klaus ship.

the originals edition? klaurora ate. would've done great things if not for elijah. klamille? ain't everyone's cup of tea but it still makes more sense for klaus to have an interest in her than that other blonde girl at the very LEAST from a psychology aspect and to get at marcel and kieran. klayley? even if the only thing they Ever did was hate fuck, it still would've been more in character. klaus and lucien, klaus and genevieve, all of them make at least some sense from a narrative point of view.

tvd? klaus and elena? would've been a dark and twisty ass romance, but would've been great to witness. klaus and bonnie? not only would it have been eagerly accepted, but it was WANTED by the actors too. klaus and katherine? c'mon. (if you come to me about 'he killed her family!!' i'm sorry but i do not care they would've been so fucking funny). klaus and stefan.

even in the fucking BOOKS, klaus and vivianne were so, so much better. it's just.

like i'm SORRY but no matter what other ship it is kl*roline falls flat. he liked her because why? he has a weird complex about his sister and he wanted to assert dominance over tyler. there was literally no other reason for that man to give a shit about her.

[hyperactivewhore]

I'm sorry but the only reason klaroline ever got so much popularity and their huge fan base was because the fans used Caroline as a self insert: she's the stereotype of a teenager girl, a gorgeous blonde vampire who's insecure and is always put second aka what every teen has been in one point of their lives.

That's why other Klaus’s ships, such as klayley, klamille, klaurora and especially klonnie, didn't get the hype and love klaroline did. These women were all adults or young adults when they were introduced (except Bonnie of course) and the people didn't like them at all at first. I mean, the hatred towards Camille, Hayley and Aurora when The Originals was streaming was crazy and this has reduced a little, but still remains.

I'm aware that even if klaroline hadn't happened, klonnie wouldn't have gotten half the support that Klaus and Caroline have. Of course it wouldn't, why would they care about a poc romance? Bonnie wasn't ignored only by the show itself, but by the fans and this shows. I mean, even klena (Klaus x Elena) gets more love than them and while I don't hate this pairing, it just proves that writers will never put their favorite white person with a black woman.

[dumbblondesposts]

[bittergirlsworld]

I don't understand why people try to invalidate the fact that Klaus abused Hayley. He took her freedom, he physically assaulted her, and he said he trusted her and then broke her neck. He cursed her and kept her away from the daughter she died to birth just because he felt entitled to the baby. He became a deadbeat, and she had to do all the lifting on her own, and like every ungrateful teenager, Hope still didn't hesitate to throw her under the bus to have Klaus attention. Klaus loved Hayley as a family and was sexually attracted to her for a while, yes. But let's not pretend that he spent a lot of time tolerating Hayley because she was the womb who gave him a child. She was literally held in a choke by him because she wanted an abortion for the baby he crossed his heart and hoped to die that was unwanted. Klaus didn't love Hayley romantically at all, and that's why he held her to the same kind of abuse he held his siblings, especially Rebekah. The fact he accepted Hayley and Elijah far better than he accepted Jackson because in love with Hayley, Elijah would never leave him, but Hayley with Jackson would limitate his control over her life... basically all he did to Rebekah, on some scale. Cursed her to be trapped as wolf stealing her life, essentially, as he stole Finn's life. It's not the same thing, but it's the same line of thinking. Hayley was and will always be family and I love her character and think she was her best self around Klaus but he didn't loved her as a woman, he loved her a family and because he saw his family as his assets, he abused her as he abused his family, because even being a victim, Klaus was a perpetrator of the cycle of abuse his father started. Abused his siblings, abused his son, and then abused the mother of his child.

[justsome1one]

Klayley shippers will tell you their ship is better than haylijah because hayley still loved Klaus even though he physically and emotionally abused her for pretty much most of the show like it's a good thing

[viavolterra]

“Cami meant nothing to klaus”

The actual show writer:

“We have always known there's an incredible connection between these two people. I know there's a lot of different fandoms who want Klaus to be with Cami or Hayley or someone whơ's on another television show, Caroline. There's people that like Klaus with Aurora. There's people that want Klaus to be on his own. I think the truth of the matter is, when you've lived a thousand years, you're probably going to have a lot of loves. For Klaus on this show, the relationship that changed him, the relationship that gave him pause, the relationship that made him sense a kindred when he really needed a kindred [was with Cami). Cami was someone who could look at Klaus and say, "I understand what you are and I think secretly it's built on anger and frustration and deep, deep despair and I think you can be better." That really changed Klaus. Of course she was beautiful and of course he couldn't help but fall in love with her for that reason, but there was also a kinship. She knew that her power as a psychologist was she might be able to have influence on the most dangerous vampire in history and get him to stop being a savage monster, and she felt an obligation to try and lead him out of his own darkness.” -Michael Narducci

(this was a while after cami died so he’s not just saying it for the sake of it. Narducci was a klamille truther)

CRY ABOUT IT KL*ROLINE AND KL*YLEY STANS

[elijahfavv]

im the only Who don't ship haylijah? They Literally are two diff people, Hayley fit more with someone like Jackson or Klaus and honestly i don't like Hayley character too much, i think Phoebe Tonkin Is hot thats It bye lol.

[cynthiav06]

What makes Klayley different from other series ships for you?

I am assuming you mean other ships in the orignals by that.

It's the really simple case that's not simple at all. It's the underlying passion between them that just won't go away no matter who they take as a lover. The burning anger, loathing, care, loyalty, and the inexplicably undying connection that keeps them tethered to each other always and forever, come hell or highwater.

Mikael almost killed me and the baby, but i can't help but be more worried about how Klaus suffered all these years, I need to comfort him.

The witches are murdering me and the baby. Forget Elijah , I need Klaus here.

The witches stole baby hope? Not important right now, Hayley's dead, and I need a moment or several to take it all in.

I don't really love Jackson, but Klaus needs me to marry him, so I will.

I have to deal with my newly risen from dead mother and father, but whether Hayley's new husband is treating her right or not is more important.

Hayley tried to run from me, and I am extremely furious, but I can't bear to kill her or physically hurt her.

I will hate Klaus forever, but I can't really hate him at all.

My siblings are in trouble and may need my immediate help, but the road trip with Hayley is the best fun I have had in centuries, and I love it too much to stop now.

I am the strongest and the proudest being on earth. I kneel to no one, especially not to scum like Lucien, but he has Hayley, and I would never let her die. She means too much to me. I have to kneel to save her, no problem, I will do it a thousand times if it's to save her.

I love my Pack a lot, but the Mikaelsons are dying, Klaus is dying, so my pack can go to hell. I will save him and the Mikaelsons even if I die .

I have to let go of my dignity as a wolf and kill, lie, massacre all to save Klaus and Mikaelson family. And I used to have a problem with that, but it's for Klaus, I can't watch him suffer, so i will do it gladly.

Klaus is going around the world, massacring everything in sight and trying to cut contact, but I will never give up on him.

Being in New Orleans near hope will bring forth Apocalyspe that might kill hope, but Hayley's missing, so all else be damned.

I am being killed, and Klaus is being attacked by Elijah. He's hurt, Hope's hurt, so I am going to kill Greta and sacrifice myself for them because Klaus and Hope are my family Elijah be damned.

My daughter is dying and meets me in the afterlife, but the second I hear Klaus's voice, I know all will be alright.

My brother, my companion, my only confidant who I would go insane without is dead to me for good because he killed Hayley, and there's no greater offense than that.

I am in hell. My heart feels empty. Hayley is dead. I can sacrifice Elijah to save hope and kill the hollow, but I vowed to Hayley that I would do anything to save our daughter so I will sacrifice myself. [Also because I can't live without my little wolf]

So yeah, it's you know, soul shattering stuff like this that keeps me hooked to Klayley. Nothing huge. This and all the other essays I wrote should be plenty enough evidence as to why. (Sorry for the late)

And here's the thing anyone who watched the Orignals and isn't blind should be shipping them intensely, too.

[userlaylivia]

the way klayley had so much growth and development gah!!! the way he became so protective over her and was desperate to find her when she was kidnapped, the way he threatened jackson and warned him to not betray her and sorry but he seemed jealous over her relationship with jackson a couple times and even elijah like what was the reason?? they came so far and I'm sobbing!! unpopular opinion but klaus grew and changed more around hayley (and cami) than he ever did caroline he didn't change at all around caroline but did around them!! klayley/klamille>>>>>>>klaroline everytime!!

[cancerian-woman]

Tyler Lockwood discourse and “excuse” for how fans view him as worthless or unneeded is that his plotline ended in season 3/4 is so…wrong lmao. Tyler was not only the first introduction to werewolves/Lockwood legacy but he was Klaus’ first successful hybrid. But, no it would’ve been too much to center a plot on Tyler that has nothing to do with Caroline or Klaus. Tyler became an alpha, those hybrids trusted and respected him. Okay, then those hybrids were killed Tyler could’ve formed another pack. They can do more with wolf-related plotlines they just had to write those. Look at Hayley who was praised and worshipped as this werewolf Crescent Queen after she helped plot and kill those hybrids…but TO doesn’t acknowledge that ever. Supernatural world gossip spreads but that somehow never made it to the bayou…anyways…

The problem relies Forwood, Klaroline, Steroline and a bit of Klayley equally. Mainly Caroline and Klaus/Stefan’s popularity. Season 1/2 Caroline was ignorant as hell and disliked by most of her peers. Why? She always had something negative to say about everyone. Plus, her mental feud with Elena. So Caroline dates Matt who treats her terribly and isn’t over Elena. Then she’s placed with Tyler, she “changes” after this vampire transition. Forwood is equally new in being a vampire/werewolf. It’s easy to support them when Caroline is there as he transitions into a wolf. Shes not just this jealous raged teenage girl! She has feelings and emotions! Caroline’s sweet, caring, and protective these are reasons people should like Caroline. Most of time fans argue that Caroline was better as a vampire than she ever was as a human. Now, insert Klaroline and Klaus. Klaus gets to enforce power and control over Tyler. He enslaves him repeatedly, and constantly threatens his life. Tyler knows he can’t win against Klaus but he refuses to live by Klaus rules. Richard Lockwood, his abusive major daddy had already made his life hell by giving him standards to live by and abusing him.

Now this is getting long. But, Caroline gets to “see the good in Klaus” they get to have all these “moments” about nothing at all. Tyler isn’t there and unfortunately YES on Caroline’s end Tyler does look bad for being away but Caroline understood this and for awhile was the only person who got Tyler. Until, she didn’t the plot worked its way so we can uplift and praise Caroline in all her vampire girl-boss goodness! But, paint Tyler in a bad view. Klaroline was pulled out of the writers ass, there was no build-up and it’s often forgotten that Klaus intended to sacrifice both Caroline and Tyler but somehow someway Klaus is obsessed with this baby vampire lmao. But, “Tyler doesn’t love Caroline! He’s never there.” It’s not that Tyler didn’t want to be there, he was being treated like a slave. If the writers really and truly wanted to push Klaroline they could’ve done so without using Tyler. He wasn’t around anyways so what would’ve been the excuse? Klaroline wasn’t the plan but mildly benefits from mistreating Tyler/Michael Trevino and Kat Graham but pen in that.

Tyler’s entire family dies and we see Caroline comfort him through Carol’s death which Tyler fully blames himself for. Caroline gets this until she didn’t. She places an ultimatum over Tyler’s head. He chooses to leave, and it’s even a bigger nail on the head for the fandom. Tyler’s trying to kill Hayley and Hope. Which is ignored that Tyler intended on saving the werewolves as a species because Klaus DID continue to enslave and pick up werewolves turning them into hybrids for his own gain. Caroline sleeps with Klaus Tyler’s pissed and tries to keep contact at a minimum. You have Stefan in her ear all the time making comments about how Tyler’s violent towards her and all around a terrible person. When Tyler never abused her. Klaus was even in Caroline’s ear making her think Tyler cheated when that was never the case.

Tyler was used and needed for Caroline’s development and heavily plays a huge roll in her popularity. But, she doesn’t give half of that for him. In fact Forwood/Klaroline/Klayley and Steroline all functioned as a death to Tyler’s character. More so KC & Steroline ruined what good foundation Tyler did have. If Hayley could be some werewolf queen in TO. Tyler could’ve been hailed as a king in own bloodline. He could’ve found another group of friends to see as family. Jackson is a very similar character to Tyler. Lastly, Michael Trevino said for years that Klaroline was/is the issue with Tyler’s development.

side note: i forgot to add I firmly believe Caroline remains jealous of Elena throughout the entire show and expected Tyler to act the way Damon/Stefan does when Elena did something that was “bad” in their POV.

[hyperactivewhore]

Wasn't klamille toxic like klaroline and his other ships

Klaus was honestly the problem he wasn't ready for relationships

Klamille was definitely toxic, but I feel that was only in season one. Klaus abused and treated Cami badly, that's undeniable and I won't make any excuse for it.

However, unlike all of his other relationships, such as the one he has with Hayley, Caroline and Aurora, he actually apologizes and intends to do better by her without any kind of begging or interference by other people. I mean, we've all seen Caroline having to practically beg Klaus to save her life, and once she saw that didn't work, she basically had to eat her own words and tell him he wasn't pure evil, while she was forced to endure hours of excruciating pain and potential death because of him.

And, of course, Elijah being the person who forces Klaus to do better by Hayley continously: forcing him to not murder Jackson, asking him to bring Hayley back from the bayou and into their home, who was weeks away from giving birth to their daughter, not to say he didn't even care about the fact he was stealing six months from Hayley, months she could've spent with Hope, all because of his bruised ego, and my personal favorite is, of course, the fact Klaus only realized his actions at the end of season two were wrong because Elijah was mad at him and refused to treat him nicely.

But Cami refused to take any of it. When Klaus hurt her, she demanded an apology and she got it, she always called him out, never let her thoughts be silenced or discarded and their respect for each other was mutual. Klaus didn't respect any other woman as much as he did Camille, and that's a fact. When Cami died, he lost his mind and hallucinated her for fifteen years, while with Hayley's death, he cared more about Elijah, and with Caroline's return in TO, it was so painfully clear he was searching in her the women he lost (Cami, and Hayley, in a certain way).

Klamille is by far the healthiest ship Klaus has, and the biggest connection he has with a woman who doesn't share his blood, and that's the reason why he allowed her into his house, into his family and considered her as such.

But I do agree. Klaus was never mature enough for a relationship with any of these women, which is really ironic considering klamille was a canon couple in season three. Either way, thanks for the ask!

[dumbblondesposts]

On another rewatch of the vampire diaries and I still can't help but laugh at how empty klaroline is as a ship, it's not even just how it started out of nowhere and in a completely irrational way writing wise it's that the ship is genuinely so bad and has no foundation, there's just nothing interesting about it, it holds no emotional weight it's just bland, she hates his guts because he's a terrible person and he's trying to get back at Tyler for challenging his authority and overall he's bored and is after a fun chase trying to prove to himself he can get the shallow teenage girl to fall for him, he straight up tells her he will kill her the second she gets on his nerves and almost kills her again when Tyler runs his mouth showing just how dispensable she is to him

maybe aesthetically I can understand the appeal but to compare it to klayley or even klamille is laughable

[klaysexual]

[justsome1one]

The vampire diaries fandom is crazy because the amount of klaroline/klayley shippers who romanticize abuse as a sign these ships are Superior to their healthy counterparts (aka haylijah and steroline) is alarming

Klaus repeatedly tried to kill these two young women and thought of them as prizes to be won because his ego is that fragile, he had no respect for their body autonomy and decisions and expected to infiltrate their lives without consequences

I mean shipping him with a girl he almost raped/killed and another he almost killed for wanting an abortion is not the enemies to lovers you think it is

It was toxic/codependent and shouldn't be normalized