#anti marvel cinematic universe

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

[lunarspiral1127]

Oh, for f*** sakes! What's wrong with a radioactive spider created from an experiment made from a corporation that gets out of containment and bites Peter Parker to give him his powers?!

Why this?! Why a portal?! Why drag in Doctor Strange and Venom? Is it a different Venom? Cause it can't be a Venom that's more comic accurate cause he shouldn't be around yet. What's next, the spider came from another dimension or a universe? Cause that's what Spiderverse did with Miles Morales.

Why is it so hard for Marvel Studios and the MCU to do Spider-Man right? Is it so hard to ask that?!

[zea9love]

Yeah… This is still a mood…

•Alycia Pascual-Peña as America Chavez

•coloring credit: onceuponavideo

[vicontheinternet]

I’m still not over the whole rdj as doctor doom thing. Especially when he just came out in his “iconic” iron man sunglasses and pose like they are going to make doctor doom green iron man

[ljones41]

With the upcoming release of "THE MARVELS", I find myself ruminating on a topic that I have brought up before.  I'm sorry, but I cannot help it.  The origin tales of both Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel and Kamala Khan aka Ms. Marvel were played out in their own respective solo productions.  Yet, the MCU had only allowed Monica Rambeau's origin as Photon to be played out in someone else's solo production - namely "WANDAVISION".

I've asked this before and I'll ask again.  Why?  Why was Monica denied her own solo production before the release of "THE MARVELS"?  I can only assume that this denial had originated with the MCU and Disney Studios' own racism.  I've read other explanations for this, but they all came up empty, as far as I'm concerned.

[azural83]

The way the incredibles,an animated superhero movie for children in 2004 had better writing and more maturity than mcu ever had

[psychoblush]

Saw a take somewhere about Gunn’s DCU that I heavily agree with, though I can’t find it right now.

Essentially, it argued that Warner’s announcing of movies and their vibes, premises, and slate before they even have directors and screenwriters attached does more harm than good. At best it’ll be a hollow imitation of the marvel formula in an already oversaturated market, and at worst, it’ll take the worst excesses of the recent Marvel flicks and create flops that can’t properly get the franchise off the ground when it’s most critical.

Look closely at what Warner does well, critically and commercially in the post-pandemic world. It’s not the halfhearted attempts to conjure a cinematic universes out of IPs like the Wizarding World or the ill-fated DCEU. It’s films led by directors who are deeply passionate about the source material like Dune (2021) and The Batman (2022) who have been largely liberated from the need to adhere to studio expectations about franchise building.

On the Gunn/Safran/DCU side of things, you have movies whose loglines and themes and iconography are already publicly known years before they’ll have directors attached in an attempt to generate hype. You’ll have a studio (one that believes AI to be interchangeable with flesh-and-blood writers) inclined towards adherence to a top-down generation of creative ideas as opposed to artists injecting their own unique ambitions - however untested they might be - into the franchise. This isn’t a problem for Gunn’s Superman flick because he’s in charge of that, and clearly he has an idea of where he wants to go with it, but it *is* a problem for the legions of qualified directors and writers who are itching to write a Batman film, but are confined to a premise that has been dictated by CEO Gunn from the beginning. You can kiss out there ideas like “what if we do Kurt Cobain Batman” goodbye. It’s a surefire recipe for homogeneity and conformity; a creative architecture that encourages archetypal tentpole manufacturing in a landscape already littered with failed cinematic universes. This doesn’t mean you won’t make great movies; it means you will produce enough average or unremarkable projects that you cannot hope to play catch up with competition that itself is flailing for the same reasons. It means that you will devalue the goodwill and prestige of intellectual properties that have the potential to be recognized as exceptional, because you will produce so much average. I hope to be proven wrong, but I don’t think it’s going to be the Peacemaker guy who does it.

[lavenderpanic]

Steve "I won't stop until all of HYDRA is dead or captured" Rogers skipping off into the sunset to marry the woman who knowingly held open the door for Nazis to infiltrate SHIELD is like. Possibly one of the worst decisions ever made ever.

[lunarspiral1127]

If the MCU ruins Storm, I'm gonna be pissed. She's one of my favorite characters from X-Men.

I’m going to sad when the mcu gets the rest of the x-men characters. Seeing what they did to Wanda and other characters, I have no hope for the mcu adaptations. What’s worse is that this is the version that will introduce many people to these characters and I will see the mcu version everywhere. I know their going to fuck up my favs like storm and shadow cat.

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

"RDJ is playing Doctor Doom!!"

Okay so he's basically gonna be Tony Stark but green???

[thedumbginger]

It's so strange that no one on here is talking about how the intro to marvels secret invasion was created entirely by ai. This is the first time a major studio has done this. Just think of how big the MCU is. Think of how many people watch these shows and will be inspired by the opening and create their 'own' shows and openers consisting of stolen artwork. AI is taking the place of actual human artists. It isn't a what if anymore. It's real.

And it's completely terrifying.

[lunarspiral1127]

Wow.....way to make Taskmaster even less than what the character is supposed to be and look like. And, yes, I'm still mad about Taskmaster getting ruined back in Black Widow, but this from the Thunderbolts isn't helping.

[mowritesstuff]

CACW is so interesting to me, especially in regards to how Tony Stark treated Bucky. For all his talk about following rules and regulation, the minute it comes to Barnes it’s all thrown out the window. And part of it is explainable, obviously, because Bucky killed his parents. But both logically and legally, there is a good chance that he wouldn’t have faced punishment via the government — he most likely would have had a military trial, since he was (technically) in the Army (even after being brainwashed) as a Prisoner of War. Any therapist worth their salt would have immediately found him clinically insane/unfit for trial, meaning that consequences would have been delayed for months, if not years, until he was sane enough to be able to get tried in court. With that being said, he most likely would have never been charged since everything Hydra did violated the Geneva Convention. Tony Stark knew all of this information. He knew that he had been brainwashed, he knew that he had been tortured. He knew that Bucky was Steve’s best friend and that Hydra does unspeakable things to those they deem prisoners. Hell, he could even talk to his fellow teammates and get their opinions on Bucky. But instead, Stark chose to ignore all of this information and try to punish Bucky Barnes for something he didn’t willingly do. He wanted to ignore the rules that were in place, the rules he spent the entire damn movie staunchly defending, and do what he wanted to do, damn the consequences .

What a hypocrite

[ljones41]

“The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special”

My sister and I finally viewed "The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special".  We both came to the conclusion that it was some of the worst shit we have ever seen from the MCU.  This is the third production solely written and directed by James Gunn we have seen.  I have more or less lost complete faith in this guy.  I can't believe I had been a fan of his eight years ago.

[misguidedandperplexed]

Fic writers, if you're worried that the way you're writing your characters is out of character, remember that the MCU did the ultimate OOC move when they had the guy who said this:

and this:

leave his BFF — who he'd lost for five years and only just got back, and who was that someone with the most shared life experience — and other friends and found family to go back to the past to live that white picket fence life.

[dolche-tejada]

So I wanted to point out the usual nonsenses coming from Tony Stark antis and luckily enough, one of them made a post quoting pretty much most of their popular "arguments" (if I can refer to them as such), so let's take a look at this user’s main points and see how solid they are.

"Let's talk about the horrible shit Tony has done in the MCU"

Please keep in mind the "horrible shit" term all along during your reading.

"MCU Tony has mortared a city full of civilians"

Okay so first point and it literally never happened. USA's government did that to Wanda and Pietro's town, not Tony so I hope it wasn't too painful to pull this nonsense out of your ass.

"Been a complete dick to all of his teammates"

Oh no... he was mean to Steve and his coworkers during their first movie ? What a complete tragedy, what a heartless monster. Please stop the violins, otherwise I might weep.

"Made multiple misogynistic comments about women mainly Natasha (looking at you prima nocta scene)"

Okay so you gave only one example to back this up and it's when he was obviously joking with his friends. Even if that joke may be in very bad taste, that doesn't make him a horrible person like you tried to demonstrate, you're just nitpicking.

"Manipulated a 16 year old into getting into a war with his former teammates"

A) "a war" please don't make me laugh. For most of the only fight Peter take part in, both sides were joking with the other while fighting and weren't even fighting seriously, they were just trying to incapacitate each other. Things only get messy after Tony ordered Peter to step back.

B) Tony didn't manipulate shit. He hid no vital informations to Peter and while bringing a 16 year old to an arrest was indeed a stupid decision, he knew Steve wouldn't harm him and that Peter was strong, competent and equipped enough to deal with him.

"Thought he was completely justified for trying to kill Bucky for something Bucky did unwillingly cuz he was fucking brainwashed"

Why the fuck are you lying ? At no point Tony justified himself for this. He tried during the whole Civil War plot to ease things with Steve and this even after his best friend got disabled for life because Steve escalated the situation at the airport, only to learn then that his friend lied to him all along about his parents' death.

At this point Tony just didn't care anymore and while he was obviously wrong for trying to kill Bucky, it's not like he had no understandable reasons to go after him. Brainwashed or not, most people would try to obliterate their parents' murderer if he stood right in front of them.

"Repeatedly mocked Bruce Banner who was filled with self loathing and even tried to kill himself because of how much he hated being The Hulk"

Firstly he joked with him, not about him. Secondly, Tony was the only one who respected Bruce from the start and never treated him like some ticking bomb ready to explode.

"Created most of the villains in the MCU (Mysterio and Co., Vulture, Aldrich Killian, The Maximoff Twins, Justin Hammer, The Flag-Smashers etc)"

Okay, where do I even begin on that.

Quentin Beck was a narcissistic asshole who got mad because his boss called his invention "B.A.R.F", that and Tony tossing it aside because this tech was way too expansive for its very limited applications. So not Tony's fault if Beck had an ego more fragile than a soap bubble.

Hammer tried to destroy Tony's image and Stark Industries first, so Tony defended himself by revealing he crippled a man by trying to replicate his tech. Hammer fucked around and found out, not Tony's fault if he's an hypocritical idiot.

Concerning the Flag Smashers, the reason they became terrorists wasn't caused by Tony bringing back half of the universe, it was due to the Global Repatriation Council's disastrous resources management.

About Toomes, Tony had no prior knowledge of the contract he signed with NY and even if he did, leaving dangerous alien tech in the hands of random people is quite a moronic idea, as evidenced by what they did with this tech for years. Not Tony's fault if Toomes is delusional and sucks at his job.

Aldrich Killian ? Be fucking real, he became a super-villain just because Tony ignored him, an archetypal greasy-haired nerd who literally drools as he talks, for a pretty chick on New Year's Eve.

Like obviously, when a serial killer stab someone to death, the most logical reaction is to blame those who assemble knives at the factory rather than the murderer himself, makes perfect sense to me.

The Maximoff Twins, my god this argument again... Yeah let's blame the guy who designed and sold weapons to his government rather than, oh I don't know, the fucking guys who used them against civilians ??

"Which also means he's also had some hand in the deaths caused by all these characters"

Literally none of the characters you quoted became super-villains because of him.

"Created Ultron"

He intended to create a security system against other alien invasions and it resulted in a genocidal robot, which only happened because Wanda mindraped him some hours before. Tony is responsible for Ultron's creation, Wanda for what he became.

And I don't want to see anybody whining in my mentions that he already planned to design Ultron prior to her mindraping him, not when she had this fucking grin after seeing Tony taking the Mind Stone with him.

Let alone when she threw this line, later in the movie : I saw Stark’s fear. I knew it would control him, make him self destruct.

She knew letting him take the Stone would cause something awful that might also kill him and she used her powers to make him even more paranoid. She's responsible for Ultron going from "A suit of armor around the world" to "Genocidal Murder Bot", not Tony.

"Thought it was a good idea to have a newly created AI be exposed to The Mind Stone which caused Ultron to kill JARVIS and go rogue

A) Which again wouldn't have happened if Wanda hadn't mindraped him the same day.

B) He didn't consciously exposed Ultron to it, the Mind Stone corrupted the AI on its own, something Tony and Bruce had no way to predict.

C) Still not his fault anyway. Ultron is sentient, he takes his own decisions. Tony being his "father" doesn't change anything to this state of fact.

"Profited off of war by making weapons of mass destruction and selling them"

Something he's spent over a decade to make amend for, notably by closing his weapons division and dedicating his life and resources to helping people and saving the world.

"Bought illegally obtained vibranium stolen directly from Wakanda by Klaue"

False too. All we know is that they met each other at the time Tony was still designing weapons ; and that Klaue told him he was looking for something new. At no point was it implied Tony illegally bought vibranium from him.

"Technically responsible for more vibranium being stolen from Wakanda by Klaue due to Ultron"

This vibranium was already stolen by Klaue when Ultron met him.

"Being responsible for everyone who died in Sokovia's death because he made Ultron"

So following your reasoning, I guess Jeffrey Dahmer's parents are responsible for every murder their son committed from his own free-will ? Did I get that right ?

"Being unwilling to help Steve and the others fix the Blip cuz muh daughter"

My god, how dare he... being against playing with time and rather trying to accept what happened while taking care of his family.

And this when we know screwing up with time can cause world-ending events.

Truly a proof of how horrible of a human being he is, indeed.

Btw I like how you ignored that Tony changed his mind and helped them afterwards.

"Supported The Sokovia Accords which need I remind you all Tony is technically responsible for The Accords being made because A. he's the one who killed Wanda's parents (blah blah blah, a lot of false attributions later...) causing her to kill Crossbones and a building full of people"

Still isn't him who dropped those mortar shells on her house. Just like it's not him who pushed Crossbones to go suicide-bombers, wrote the Sokovia Accords and incited 119 countries to sign them.

"and B. he is literally responsible for what happened to Sokovia BECAUSE HE MADE ULTRON"

Already answered to this shit, let's continue.

"Referring to Wanda as "a weapon of mass destruction" in Civil War"

Lmao because she isn't ? No one forced Wanda to join a terrorist organization, pal. Just like no one pushed her to act as a weapon of mass destruction, by using her powers to send Hulk on a rampage across Johannesburg or by enslaving Westview.

"meanwhile HE is the REASON SHE has her powers in the first place"

Sure, Tony whispered in her ear every night to go serve as a guinea pig for Nazis in order to get her revenge on him. I forgot this part of Wanda's backstory, silly me.

"Falsely imprisoning the heroes that didn't sign The Accords because he's a cunt"

Tony don't have any power or authority to imprison people, and the heroes he stopped got incarcerated because they indeed broke the law, you jackass.

"Being technically responsible for all the deaths caused by Wanda in Wandavision and DSATMOM because if he didn't kill her parents with his mortar..."

I don't think you know what "technically" means.

"then her and Pietro wouldn't have went to Hydra thus not getting their powers from The Mind Stone"

You know what would have actually prevented all the deaths Wanda caused ? Her not willingly joining Nazis to get her powers and going on a murder spree.

"And you are probably thinking "But he sacrificed himself at the end of Endgame !""

To save the whole universe indeed. That and quite a few other things, such as :

Outright refusing to help terrorists and getting tortured as a result.

Risking his life to save Yinsen.

Saving Afghans villagers from terrorists.

Saving Pepper and SHIELD's agents from Obadiah Stane.

Actively saving people on a daily basis, and this for a decade.

Developing a shit ton of armors to protect people more efficiently.

Saving New York and the world overall from Chitauris.

Stopping Killian from taking over the USA.

Curing Pepper from the Extremis treatment.

Designing Veronica with Bruce.

Fighting Hulk to protect Johannesburg.

Saving the world once again, alongside the Avengers.

Awarding promising students with the funds to develop their own projects and inventions.

Granting his tech to Peter and designing for him two suits that allowed him to save many lives.

Saving Stephen's life from Ebony Maw.

Helping the Avengers to travel in other timelines.

"Let me ask you this : If Strange had hold Tony that the only way to defeat Thanos is if Tony sacrificed himself would Tony do it"

It's literally what happened during Endgame, you fucking bozo. What do you think was the meaning of this scene ?

And it's not like it was something new, he was always ready to die for others' sake, right from the start, did you even watched the first Avengers movie ?

No wait, even better : Have you at least watched the beginning of his first solo movie ?

I wasn't expecting anything from Tony antis but sucking that hard at watching a movie is quite impressive ngl.

"Bottom line is MCU Wanda sucks and Tony Stark sucks"

Yeah no shit, that's pretty easy to say when you're making up lies to support your hate boner.

So in conclusion, this dude has no idea of what he's talking about and neither does Tony antis in general for using these bs as arguments.