#anti himiko toga

[problemswithbooks]

I keep thinking there are two major problems. First, similar to the heteromorph plotline, Horikoshi just did not spend any time exploring or explaining actual matters of quirks and second, he wants the focus to remain solely on child abuse as a crime. Toga's situation is being asked for us to be believed similar to Moonfish and Tabe? of the Yakuza(also described in Vigilantes) where the quirk dictates the body's needs over rationality. AFO made a similar excuse almost too about having a compulsion to steal quirks except it's he has control. Toga also is too normal to be considered abnormal primarily because he made those types of quirks seem totally abnormal and more like the brainless Nomus, driven by their base desires. The one character introduced late in Team Up Misdions had a quirk that would poison his own body and the government not having made arrangements for him is a heteromorph matter instead that is never explored and nothing like, say, Moonfish.

Also the implication is similar to Shinso's quirk being labelled or the Aoyama's fearing the quirkless label- the parents fear she is a born villain due to her quirk.

When it comes to Toga, Hori is way to vague. I think it's pretty clear he didn't put as much effort into her as he did Tenko and Touya. Heck, even Spinner who I'd say is not one of the main three villains, gets to narrate chapters. The Heteromorph stuff isn't explored as much as it should have been, but at least we get a lot of character growth fro Spinner.

I defiantly agree he didn't really explain or even stay consistent in his world building around Quirks and how much they control/compel people to act. Or even how people treat those who have negative Quirks. This is bad because Himiko's sympathetic angle is built around those things.

As you've pointed out the only characters we've seen who exhibit anything similar to Toga are Moonfish and Tabe. Both are very much side characters who barely show up for a more then a handful of chapters. Tabe gets a bit more characterization, considering he can control himself despite his Quirk because he refuses to hurt his friends and that he is given a few lines of backstory. Meanwhile Moonfish gets nothing despite him being on Toga's team in the beginning. I mean I don't even think if it's established if Moonfish is the way he is because of his Quirk or if he just is a cannibal of his own free will.

No one for the league even really interact with him before he's caught and none really care that's he's gone. He also doesn't make much of an appearance after the break out. I think, he might have been on Toga's team again, but it came to nothing and he's vanished again without ever learning a thing about him.

As for the the guy in the side story, I don't really count it. Supplemental material is fun, but it should be just that, a supplement. I firmly believe a story should be able to stand on it's own, so I take great issue with important plot relevant things being revealed in side stories. This is why the whole thing with Kurogiri and Aizawa's past bugs me because something that integral to the story should have been in the main manga--not a spin-off.

Then we get to Shinso.

To be perfectly honest the fandom's whole "Shinso was labled a villain due to his Quirk" have always bugged me. Maybe that was Hori's intent but it is not presented well. The kids may say his Quirk would be great for a villain, but they don't think he's a villain. They joke about him not using his Quirk on them, but they never seem to legitimately be afraid of him.

Even during the Sports Festival he isn't told he's acting like a villain or getting booed. Ojiro forfeits and doesn't like that he was controlled but he doesn't think Shinso is a villain, or even villainous. Izuku doesn't think he's bad either--he only yells at Shinso when he calls Ojiro a monkey, something we've learned now is a racial slur.

Even Shinso doesn't say he's treated like a villain. The main issue he has with his Quirk is that it isn't flashy. It's not powerful the way Bakugou, or Shoto's is, which makes becoming a Hero hard because standing out is very important. Shinso isn't seen as villainous because of his Quirk, he is seen as weak. On top of that after his fight he is cheered by his class and praised by the Pro-Heroes in the audience for having a Quirk that they would find very useful, some even wishing that was their power.

At the end of the day it doesn't feel like Toga is that compelled by her Quirk. Far to often she can be perfectly fine and talk and interact with her friends the same way as normal people do. She is not nearly as controlled by her Quirk as Tabe is or maybe Moonfish is (since it's not confirmed it's his Quirk compelling him to act).

If she only felt the need to drink blood from people she was attracted/romantically interested in that might explain it, but it's been shown that's not the case. She turns into and uses Twice's Quirk despite her not being romantically in love with him, and she berates herself for not being able to access Shigaraki's and Dabi's Quirks even though she loves them as friends. Most recently we even see that she was driven to suck the blood of a friend, not a crush.

So, we have two very conflicting ideas. Toga is both forced by her Quirk to drink blood, but on the other hand she's not. It really is only the whims and needs of the author that drive how much blood lust she has at any given time. If she needs to have a normal conversation with her freinds she's fine. If she needs to blush and flirt with Izuku and Ochako she's suddenly unable to stop her self from pulling out a knife.

It kneecaps any sympathy Toga should get because I just don't get why she goes from understanding how people work, and how to hold conversations to suddenly not understanding basic communication skills. I don't feel like her Quirk blinds her to what consent is or the idea that people feel pain when you stab them for blood, or that maybe someone might not want to maybe die to provide her with blood. Instead it seems like she can, when she wants to, not jump people for blood but just decides who gets that courtesy and who doesn't. The LoV don't get stabled, Izuku and Ochako do, and for Toga she thinks they should be happy with it, even though she probably doesn't do the same to her friends because they would be just as upset with her.

[violetlunette]

If anon had to name just one single concept that's damaged fandom culture more than any other, just one single concept that has caused so many of today's entitled fandoms like the Dabi fans, Toga fans, etc., it's "relatability". Most of us judge people based on their actions, but fandoms judge morality by Which Characters We Personally Relate To. Dabi fans relate to child abuse, so "only Dabi's pain counts". Toga fans relate to mental trauma, so "only Toga's pain counts". And so on and so forth.

I understand that it’s easier to sympathize with characters when you understand their pain and why they do the things they do, and why that understanding makes it easier to forgive. However, for me there are some things that I can’t--and won’t—forgive. I sympathize with these two and feel bad for their pain, but that doesn’t mean their crimes were okay or should be overlooked.

[kelin-is-writing]

Not some peoples on here and TikTok going:

“You don’t like the ending because your favorite character died”

Hell yeah? Literally why wouldn’t I be pissed that my favorite character who could be saved died? Dabi has one of the most realistic backstories and best characterizations in Mha, actually not only in Mha but Anime/Manga in general and do you know how taboo of topics domestic violence, child abuse and raping are in Japan? Mind you, Japan is a country that has domestic violence normalized in their country as part of marriage and somehow education too. Y’all might think I’m joking but victims of domestic abuse in Japan are struggling very much to this day, but Japanese peoples rarely talks about it because Japan is a “Family Image” oriented society (Endeavor and the Himuras showed it enough me thinks) so they categorically refuse to let people know abuse happens, especially the abusers.

“Oh BuT aLL aBuSeRs DoN’t WaNt It To Be KnOwN”, I know but in Japan it’s normalized to just live through it and that (together with bullying) it’s one of the reasons the suicide rate in Japan is one of the highest globally, hope it helps to get a better grasp on everything I’m trying to say.

Horikoshi has depicted it perfectly, because you know… He lives there and even the final outcome (Rei becoming Enji’s caretaker after years of abuse) it’s very much Japanese style. Which is why the Todoroki family ending it’s wrong and disturbing. Wrong, and disturbing.

And as if one of Enji’s victims becoming his caretaker isn’t enough, one of his other victims had to die because of his actions.

“No BuT tOuYa WeNt OfF wItH hIs QuIrK oN hIs OwN”, and who was the main reason and cause he went off like that with his Quirk? Endeavor.

Yep. Thought so too.

I don’t get why some of you are bending backwards, doing backflips and cartwheels to defend Endeavor just because he’s an Hero like— I’m sorry but he is the depiction of a realistically fact that even if your job (YOUR JOB!) is to save other people, behind closed doors that same person who saves other people can still be a shitty person who’s a curse to his own family, because Endeavor is just Enji Todoroki’s façade.

And he’s a well-written character because the depiction of abuser Horikoshi did of him it’s accurate to reality. Enji is egotistical, narcissistic, greedy, self-centered and selfish, which are all the characteristics that made him physically unable to actually address any of what he did until Dabi’s reveal, despite knowing that he was dead wrong and that together with the fact that he waited almost a decade to apologize to his family, is the reason why I genuinely don’t give a flying fuck about his “redemption”. If sorrow was eating you alive why didn’t you apologize sooner, trash?

Touya never got the closure he deserved, actually none of the Leagues got it and you know why? Because the whole War arc was rushed, you can tell by the way Shigaraki was offed. From a writing standpoint it was laughable, seriously.

What’s even worse is that… Nothing has actually changed in the Hero society despite the fact that nine years have passed, because people like Touya, Shigaraki and Toga will never be actually saved because Heroes have failed miserably to save the prime examples of what’s to be saved.

And no, they weren’t saved because death isn’t salvation for people who want to live, be accepted and loved. You guys that think this way genuinely scare me and I want y’all far away from me.

Like— To sum what I’m trying to say: We can’t cry and hate Mha’s ending because of all this, but some of y’all can cry, kick sheets, throw up, crashout and hate the ending over fucking ships?

Wow…

[haine-kleine]

anyway. the ending was like That because it was Izuku's hero academia. it was his story told from his point of view and it concluded all the plot points he was concerned with, like his relationship with Bakugou, Allmight, the public's opinion on the heroes, what the new generation of heroes is going to be like, how Shouto is perceived by the public, Izuku's general relationship with his former classmates and Aizawa.

he never really cared about Shigaraki outside of their brief confrontation. he didn't really know Shigaraki as a person, and nor was he interested in getting to know him, even when he got the chance to peek into his past, Nana and Allmight had more reason to be interested in who Shigaraki the person was. to Izuku, Shigaraki started as a terrifying villain and ended as a crying boy he was unable to save. this is why, as he joins the rest of his classmates and becomes a pro hero, he imagines the ghost of Shigaraki looking over him, haunting him, reminding him of his failure but also inspiring him to try harder and 'keep reaching out'.

The villains were the ones concerned with their stories. Spinner wrote that book by himself, as Izuku's notes are being written at the point the book has already been published. Izuku never mentions any contents of that book nor Spinner or Mister Compress. Because they do not belong in his story, not really.

They belong with each other, in the League of Villains, as they have proven time and time again how important they are to each other and how far they are willing to go to protect their own. Shigaraki's thoughts before Izuku had killed him were all about the League. Kurogiri's last act was trying to save Shigaraki from AFO and the heroes. What kept Spinner's spirit from crumbling after losing everyone he had cared about was his burning desire to tell their story to others, to let their stories be heard. Touya finds no solace despite getting everything he had ever wanted from his family and being reunited with them - because his place was in the League of villains, the place where he was accepted just as he was, unconditionally.

the conflict of heroes versus the villains led to nothing but devastation and destruction for the villains. even those who were heard out and validated by the other party ended up becoming victims, or martyrs.

after that experience, after having a whole crowd of pro heroes, the people who made it their lives career to save others witness his destruction by the man who stole his body from him and by the boy who swore to save him, why would Shigaraki be interested in keeping in contact with these people, had he survived? why would Kurogiri go out of his way to let Shirakumo's friends know he had survived their students attempt to take his life and the life of the boy he wanted to save, all because they couldn't accept his affection for that boy outweighing their long gone friendship? why would Toga, when the reporters and the heroes saw her body after starting to transfuse all of her blood to Ochako and not even bothered to pick it up, to save her life or even to bury her?

here is how it went: Kurogiri did end up successfully saving Shigaraki, the fact going unnoticed by the heroes because both of their bodies were crumbling. he had also taken Toga, which is why her body wasn't picked up together with Ochako (and why Ochako doesn't have any memories of Toga's dead body, only of her final words to her). and then Kurogiri teleported them far away, where they healed and started planning how to get the remaining three LOV members back, while they are still alive.

they broke Spinner and Compress out of the prisons. In memory of Twice, Hawks had covered it up, as long as they don't resurface as villains.

Shigaraki and Toga had considered letting Touya stay together with his family, up until the news of Endeavor's disgraced villain son being on his deathbed got out. On the very next day, Shigaraki broke the tank Touya was residing in to pieces. Enji and his sidekicks had covered his eldest going missing by holding a funeral ceremony for him (the second one, this time knowing full well it's a fake funeral). Shouto was enraged with his father's decision and Enji used Shouto's just starting pro hero career as an excuse, don't you want to have a clean start, without the weight of mine and Touya's crimes weighting you down? It's not like Shouto has a choice in the matter, just as when he was a kid. The family wonders about the missing one's fate. Sometimes, Shouto gets messages from unknown numbers. He doesn't share them with anyone, except for Natsuo, who is still devastated about not using his one last chance to reconcile with the brother he had been so sorely missing for 8 years.

The ghosts of Toga, Shigaraki and Dabi live on, haunting the heroes who failed to save them. Himiko, Tenko and Touya also live on. They are very different from these ghosts.

[thelittlegirlinwonderland]

with the latest episodes of mha, can I just say I do not care for toga at all. yes, her backstory is tragic and her parents were awful but at some point she had to realize she was also part of the problem. people aren't scared of her because she likes blood, people fear her because she lacks boundaries and enjoys killing people.

imagine being izuku and having someone you met a total of three times(training camp, the provisional exam, and the shie hassaikai raid), and all three times included her attacking you, declare her love for you in the midst of a war. this complete stranger who has only tried to hurt you just drags you from your spot, ending in preventable deaths/injuries, to ask you to be her boyfriend. of course he thinks she's crazy. that is crazy.

i saw someone saying that toga was an example of queer romance, since her love isn't accepted by society. that's so stupid. i'm sorry. toga's idea of love is stabbing people, painting them in their own blood, obsessing over people who don't know her and when they rightfully freak out at her advances, she takes it as a personal attack against her.

maybe try not stabbing people and visit a blood bank

[tommi-tiber]

League of villians bc if I can't have a cosplay group I can at least draw them. (Plus how are ya'll finding cosplay partners. I'm lonely and stumped in that department) Tbh it's pretty old tho bc I remember drawing this in the pandemic. Ugh

(Generally: is tumblr a good place to post original comics? Like multiple chapters with panels and the whole thing. Just asking that under my posts now and I kinda had 2 year beeak and am relearning the app)

[siblingskissing]

Togachako- Star Crossed Lovers

I love them your honor

[violetlunette]

Toga wants to become Twice. I hope it develops her character in a way.

We'll see. I doubt it but honestly, I've stopped caring at this point.

[flower-of-knighthood]

Why Toga didn't work for Me

Toga's plotline and how it ended felt hollow to me at best. To begin with, while tragic backstories can help make a character more sympathetic, characters with tragic backstories tend to lose their effectiveness in provoking sympathy from me when the course of action from said backstory is completely disproportionate such as Toga deciding to help Shigaraki kill pretty much everyone.

Secondly, the foundation of her plotline being the mental effects of her quirk which was only revealed after 100 chapters in, and the idea of Quirks affecting how people think while interesting should've been revealed a lot earlier and with more grace because shouldn't characters such as Mina have an urge to destroy things? Shouldn't Shinso have an urge to brainwash people, which undermines his mini arc? The point is the idea of Quirks having an effect on how individuals think is something that should've been brought up ages ago because it's not something that would be obscure like the Quirk Singularity theory, it's something that would be relevant in various fields and would be one of the fundamentals of how Quirks work.

It doesn’t help that it feels to me that Uraraka's response to Toga back in the first war arc of if you're going to hurt innocent people, I will stop you is treated as wrong by the narrative with Uraraka actually apologising to Toga for her treatment of her during their travesty of a rematch in the final arc.

And yes, I consider Uraraka's rematch with Toga a travesty because Uraraka spent literally most of the fight caring more about Toga's feelings then the victim's and wasting energy constantly trying to talk her down even after Uraraka got stabbed. Sure, it ultimately worked out with Toga deciding to die saving Uraraka from blood loss she inflicted, but that only happened because Uraraka decided let's not subdue the threat to literally everyone there before going talk no jutsu on her, and ended up getting stabbed for it.

You can have the most tragic backstory known to man, but it doesn't justify harm to innocent people. There has to come a point where the tragic backstory will no longer function as an get out of jail free card from responsibility.

You know what's the funny thing, people criticise Naruto for talk no jutsu on his enemies, but the thing is that each time Naruto actually waited until his enemy could no longer pose a threat to anyone before trying Talk No Jutsu.

[itsnothingofinterest]

Wild to me that people are looking at the new Hero Commission president being this guy:

And thinking: "oh yeah, he's gonna change things, make them better, bring about some much needed reform." Because I must've missed the part where he had any revelation that anything the hero system or the commission in particular were doing was wrong.

I mean treatment of villains is going to get so much worse between this guy ^ being in charge and every other reason we have to expect that treatment of villains will get worse. But even something as small as the ranking system, which I've seen suggested he'll do away with...but did we ever get a scene where he said he didn't like the ranking system?

I mean I remember him saying it could do with some improvement, but I also remember he really liked the idea of there being a number one hero to inspire people, it's part of why he tried to help Endeavor be that inspiring figure (The rest is him choosing the worst hero to be a fanboy of, but that shouldn't discount his personal logic).

And overall I just don't recall him ever having any problem with the existing way of things besides wanting more free time (and without giving any thought to what makes a villain, which he has not, that one's out of his hands), or else otherwise complaints about his personal annoyances being told what to do. But we never got that he thinks what he was told to do was wrong. Even Twice he still thinks of as "The pretty decent guy who it sucks I had to kill-which I definitely did, what does 'arrest' mean?" He even doubled down by calling for Toga's death. (Goodness sake, I give Enji shit but at least he knows when he did something bad.) So besides those little things; he had no criticisms, nor did he ever agree with people who did have criticisms. I'm just not seeing a lot of reason to think this is the guy who will improve things.

[julieemarine]

Bakugo getting shoved in alongside Izuku, Shoto, and Ochaco when getting paired up with their arch-enemies is literally this meme.

[thelittlegirlinwonderland]

What I'd Change about MHA

firstly, i'd put monoma in 1-a. i'd replace sato b/c i hate his character design and does he even do anything?

i'd make aizawa more of a stoic, scary looking guy but he just wants what's best for these kids. he doesn't lie to them or use ruses but he tends to push more and seems like a hardass to prepare them for the cutthroat life of heroics

i'd flesh out the characters more, their backstories, why they want to be heroes. i'd also build their relationships more. give them time to bond, spend time together outside of school without a disaster happening. filler type stuff

i like most of the plot up until the war arc, so i'd probably keep it, changing small things like stain. i think i'd make stain a former hero, like lady nagant, who saw corruption in his field and decided to handle it in the most extreme way. i would either get rid of stain attacking tensei or have it be a 'wrong place, wrong time' scenario where tensei found stain attempting to kill a different hero and wouldn't leave(similar to midoriya running in to save tenya)

ofa is one of the things about the og that annoys me. firstly, more than 9 users. probably 11-13. if it's supposed to be 2-3 hundred years since quirks, 9 doesn't make sense. especially since the first 3 were all around the same age and most of them died young. i'd also have more diverse users and quirks. i hate fa jin and gearshift, and danger sense and smokescreen don't make sense. blackwhip and float are great quirks. expand on the users' pasts as well. why were they chosen? what did they do with the quirk when they had it? also more izuku/vestige scenes. no random bakugou look alike user

i'd change a lot of the villain's stories. i'd change toga to actually be a victim of the system instead of just a blood-crazed lunatic. she was starved and didn't understand her cravings until she snapped and accidentally killed a classmate. from there, she's treated like a monster and pushed into the league who help her get the blood she needs which calms her down significantly. no wanting to become the people she loves and creepy harrasment of izuku and ochaco. just make her a scared teenage girl with no one else to go

as for shigaraki, when afo gets arrested show a slow change in his thought process, behavior, and lifestyle as he adjusts to life without the man who had been grooming and abusing him his entire life. make him realize afo isn't a helpful sensei but rather manipulating him. have him grow and reject afo and his ideas. have him start forming his own ideas of how he wants to change society

dabi is a tough one. i think i'd make him ostracized from his entire family. he had the quirk but not the body or mind for heroics. enji rejects him, rei can't stand his ambition, natsuo and fuyumi don't have anything in common and so he pushes them away, shoto is the masterpiece. this makes him more sullen and closed off. i'd have him run away instead of nearly dying and being save by afo. when he finds the league, he starts to open up more and develops more of a personality in this new family.

i wouldn't make kurogiri oboro. i think i'd scrap oboro as a whole. kurogiri is still a nomu but he has no ties to any heroes.

i'd have more people die in the war. more important heroes like all might, miruko, edgeshot, jeanist etc. bakugo stays dead, it's a tragedy that even someone as strong as him can't always win. maybe parents, friends, past classmates of the students because this is a war, collateral is going to happen. gran torino also should've died.

izuku: -make izuku's hair slowly turn white after he gets ofa so by the end it is completely white. this can be due to stress, having multiple quirks, getting a quirk when he didn't have one, etc. -all for one is his dad. this can explain why izuku can wield all of the past users' quirks, he's built to have multiple. now, this doesn't make afo a good person suddenly. he's still the man who groomed tenko and killed countless. maybe he just makes kids every now and then to get/make new quirks. it's just a game to him, he doesn't care about izuku or inko but it give izuku more personal stakes. -lean into izuku's analysis and intelligence more. -make monoma part of his friend group and have them bond over quirk analysis. -i think i'd make Mic his tutor. like how aizawa saw shinsou and decided to train him, mic sees izuku and his destructive quirk and decides to do something about it.

[lawofthecycle]

𝓂𝑒.𝒶𝓃𝒹.𝓉𝑜𝑔𝒶.

my relationship with toga himiko in my dr

[moonsb1996]

What is your opinion on these people?

Early in the morning, according to my home time Going to comment on things I disagree with about Toga Himiko, but not attacking anyone except the characters they love so much, especially the actions of said characters. And this is what they And some people received replies for expressing their disagreement with Himiko Toga's actions.

I only chose people who seemed to "pity" Himiko Toga to the point of not caring. What are her current actions? She is pitiful She has no support. It's Toga's parents' fault. It's society's fault. And it makes me wonder In that way, would Toga not be guilty because society, heroes, and her parents forced her to genocide the human race and all the other props? I even thought If Toga's clone was released in the War Refugees section because some hero (Ochako) chose to talk to Toga about their love. (Which many people call it a confession of love vomit) rather than "choosing to arrest" first and "talk" later. I really want to know the families of those supporting characters. Or if Toga's clone were to encounter a war refugee camp, how bloody would it be? Fan club: Oh! It's not Toga's fault. Refugees and props are the ones who have ended up in the Toga Clone Army's expansion zone. Sigh…These people only talked about Toga's past and didn't even mention her murder. Ah… prop characters can only be prop characters. It's like us readers who waste time reading MHA which is just an NPC by Horikoshi Kohei who sees us as stupider than monkeys.

[harukamitsuki]

had a couple of reblogs on my last post, mentioning toga being a failed yandere and a bad character as a whole, specifically by @mikeellee @amethystoceandespiser and @kite2013 so this is for you guys.

and, yes, she is. she is both a bad example of a yandere, and a bad character.

when you think of yanderes you think of yuno gasai from mirai nikki or monika from ddlc, or even ayano aishi from yan sim or every single girl in higurashi.

and they're all excellent examples of yanderes.

the term 'yandere' comes from two words: 'yanderu', meaning "to be sick", and 'deredere', meaning "lovestruck". together, it the loose translation would be 'sick with love'.

yuno gasai is the best example of a yandere, encapsulating it in every way possible. she's sick and twisted, ready to sacrifice everything, herself included, just to be with yuki. she acts sweet and caring, but is truly a jealous, overprotective, dangerous girl underneath all that.

one of the first things she says to yuki is that she is willing to give up everything for him.

yanderes are supposed to be obsessed with love, and more specifically, with the target of their love.

love is the only reason they have to keep going.

and toga is not it.

because when she's first introduced, it isn't love that's her driving force. it's admiration. some may say it's a form of love, but it doesn't matter. yandere's are obsessed with romantic love specifically, and toga was not introduced as such.

even if she developed into a yandere after meeting izuku, or perhaps her nature was revealed far later, as was the case with homura from pmmm, it wouldn't matter as we still don't know who she's devoted to.

yeah, she's into izuku, but we don't see that devotion. a real yandere would have abandoned everything just to be with their love, but toga doesn't.

she is not a yandere, but horikoshi presents her in such a way, because they're one of the most popular tropes in Japan, and even in the west. appearing adorable and speaking cutely, and obsessed with blood.

what, are we supposed to assume her 'love' is blood? no, her obsession with blood is as a result of both her quirk, and how she envisions love.

blood is how she expresses her adoration. there's a stark difference in how she wants to see izuku's blood, and how she wants to see overhauls. with izuku, her face is flushed and she's almost shy in the way she says it. but with overhaul, she's full of fury. it isn't about wanting to become closer with him, it's about getting revenge for mangne's death.

so, yeah. terrible example of a yandere.

if i were to write her to be a proper yandere, i'd have her obsess over twice, who canonically had feelings for her. i'd have her destroy everything just for twice.

and i'd have izuku's appearance challenge her. suddenly, she can't tear everyone and everything else down, because she can't hurt him. maybe she'd have a mental breakdown over it, trying to figure out who to fight for, if it's okay to love more than one person, maybe even coming to the conclusion that it was never love - it was obsession.

i'd have her be a proper deconstruction of the yander archetype. not this failed version of a yandere.

as for her character...

her writing is really bad, which doesn't say much when most other characters in mha are badly written, but we're focusing on her today.

we are first introduced to her after the hosu arc, where she joins the lov due to believing stain was working with them.

why did she love stain? what specifically drew him to her? we don't know, and we never find out.

why is she so attracted to izuku? the many injuries he gets? but what was it specifically that caught her attention? no clue.

did she ever love twice back? why did she stick with shigiraki? how close is she to the villains other than twice?

we don't know.

there were so many ways to develop her. maybe she, dabi and spinner would reminisce about how they first found out about stain, which would also further delve into all of their motivations. maybe they would find out stain rejected the lov, and struggle on deciding whether to leave or not.

it'd be far more interesting if she actually wanted to damn everything to join izuku, but maybe he rejected her and so she turned against him.

maybe she could have been a good deconstruction of the yandere trope, maybe she could have been a well-written character, but she wasn't.

[ultraericthered]

I do think it's disingenous to claim the LoV members were "never actually oppressed by hero society" while omitting key details about their origin stories that brought them to their current paths, but yeah, this really is a Ransik from Power Rangers Time Force situation so far as AFO, Shigaraki, and Dabi are concerned; they have no interest in fixing anything for anyone else, not even their own kind, and only want to loot, murder, terrorize, and destroy, while misleading their comrades about what they're looking to achieve. (Would also make the MLA the Frax in this parallel, being more legitimate anti-villains).

Actually no. Here's what the LoV and their logic really reminds me of:

"All human beings are truly evil at heart, so civil society and "good" people are the true evil that causes all evil in this world because they judge fellow evil people for their evildoing and impose penalties for that evildoing rather than simply allow everyone to do the evil that's in their nature. Therefore I don't deserve to face consequences for my evil deeds, but you hypocrites should feel guilty for being mean to me!" - basically Dr. Regal and also the LoV's core philosophy.

There was said interview, where HK said that jpn audience hated the villains and since villains started to gain more popularity, the manga popularity plummeted each year and rn SJ is rushing HK to end bnha. Villain stans got totally mad of course calling jpn fans dumb, weird, saying they have a terrible taste and that jpn only dislikes them bc of the culture since they don't like out of the norm ppl gaining popularity and don't like to see opressed ones trying to change the system

So what do you think abt that?

Warnings:

*Mentions of Terrorism

*Mentions of Serial Killing

*Bad Language

*Anti League of Villains

**Anti Himiko Toga

**Anti Dabi

**Twice Critical

*Victim Mentality

Basically, Villain Stans may want to skip this.

First, I kinda knew that HK is being rushed to finish the story, as you can feel it when you read it. I wasn’t aware of the reason though.

Now I am not Japanese and I have never met one personally, but I don’t meet many people (I don’t like them, see?) so I don’t know what they’re thinking. But I think it’s insulting that westerns—yeah, I know who the culprits are, sadly--are making such a gross generalization. But if any of the Eastern parts of the fandom--particularly the Japanese--want to weigh in, then by all means, please do.

Why does everyone assume people hate villains because they’re “out of the norm people?” Jack Sparrow is “out of the norm,” and he’s the most famous pirate in fiction! The Disney villains are all “out of the norm,” and people love them more than the heroes! (And note how most Disney fans aren’t trying to justify their actions either.) Dr. Stein from Soul Eater is “out of the norm,” and—you all get the point.

Why is it so hard to accept that people hate villains because they do VILLAINOUS things? Is it really so hard to believe that villains can be hated because they kill innocent people, steal, and cause harm without remorse? And is it really so unbelievable that not everyone is willing to wave aside their crimes just because of a sad backstory?

Have any of the Japanese fans actually said, “I don’t like this person because they’re different?” Or have they given other reasons that people are ignoring?

“Oppressed ones trying to change the system?” Bullshit. That's my opinion on that. The League of Villains was never oppressed! (At least by the hero society.) Oh, yeah, I’m fucking going there!

Tago is a freaking serial killer, who wants to be able to do whatever she wants without consequence. Even if the thing she wants to do is drink blood without consent or drink them dry.

Dabe just wants revenge on Endeavor and has killed tons of innocent people to do that and even set up his siblings to die as well.

Compress comes from a family of thieves, who claims to want to bring corrupt heroes to light, but we never see that. Maybe his ancestors did, but here he’s just using his powers to hurt people and kidnap kids.

Twice was a criminal who was a one-man army who used his powers to commit armed robberies, battery, and assault (not confirmed if he crossed into murder). 

And finally, Shiggy is a brainwashed criminal whose actions have been manipulated and controlled by All for One since he was little, and he never received the psychological help he needed after accidentally murdering his whole family. He doesn’t want to change anything! He just wants to destroy heroes because that’s what AFO wants.

Spinner may want to change things to help people, but he’s probably the only one.

Every single person in the league is a terrorist who attacked innocent people and resulted in mass destruction. Not one of them is innocent.

Endeavor is the only one on the hero's side who has hurt an innocent person and set a member of the league on the path to villainy. If Dabe only hurt Endeavor we would be having a different talk, but he hurt several innocent people and tried to murder his siblings, so here we are.

The worst that society has done was suffer the bystander syndrome, and yeah, that’s bad, but it’s something everyone’s guilty of. Everyone has seen a stray and ignored them. Everyone has seen a homeless person on the street and moved on with their day. Doesn’t mean everyone deserves to die, it just means we need to be better. Same with the manga.

Now the Meta league, that’s a different story. Yes, they’re still villains and killers, but they’re the ones actually fighting for their rights and unlike the League, they have points. Quirks are a part of who people are, and if they’re not hurting anyone, they should use them. It’s not fair that only “heroes” should be able to use them legally. THEY’RE the “oppressed ones trying to change the system.” And they tried to do it peacefully at first and only went to extremes when no one would listen, as back then there was a fear against quirks. And now, thanks to their history, they’re seen as anarchists and no one is willing to even listen to them. They’re still villains, but they’re villains with a leg to stand on.

The LoVs are just people who kill other people, then throw a fit when they’re called out on it. This reminds me of a villain from demon slayer, who was always going, “Stop picking on me!” or “I can’t stand those who bully the weak!” when said demon was literally murdering a village of people. That’s exactly what the LoVs are. They are stuck on the victim mentally because they don’t want to change.

The heroes are far from perfect, and they’ve done questionable things with the assassins, and Hawks, but the majority of heroes still do everything they can to help people. Some do it for money and fame, but they still save people. Even Endeavor, who is the biggest asshole on the hero side, still saves people every day. (He should still go to jail for child and marital abuse, and lose all custody of his children, but I digress.)

Stans and the narrative can push all they want that the LOVs are just “oppressed ones trying to change the system,” but the facts prove that they aren’t. They’re killers and criminals who want to do bad things without being challenged or made to feel bad.

The manga's not over, so there's a slight chance I may change my mind, but I doubt it. As is--well, I think I've made my feelings clear. 

That’s all from me on the topic. Have a nice day!