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Duscur's trust in Three Hopes Dimitri:

Brigid's "trust" in Edelgard:

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Alya and Adrien got salted on for BASIC shit when Lila was introduced but Marinette and Felix having been acting foolish frequently with no consequences to acting like that and yet their fans love the hell out of them.

Marinettes allowed to stalk and harass people frequently cuz shes so in love with Adrien. Shes allowed to frequently sideline Chat and keep him out of plans and hand out miraculous like candy cuz shes the guardian and can do whatever. She can tell someone her identity but Chat cant.

Felix is allowed to pester Adrien about shit he had no control over and then try and get his friends akumatized for no reason. Then he finds out his aunt (ADRIENS MOM) is in the basement but says nothing, he also doesnt tell him what Gabriel is nor that theyre senti beings..he only frees Kagami cuz ??? Whatever ig. Hes allowed to selfishly sell out the kwami and no one bats an eye.

But Alya understandably questions Marinettes intentions about Lila (cuz Marinette literally ONLY cared abt Lila cuz she was after Adrien and then just decided to get extra with it.) And suddenly Alyas a bad friend who would bully Marinette ?? Really? Fuck off.

Adrien says to 'take the high road' cuz obviously trying to outwardly call Lila out isnt work and suddenly hes a push over and a doormat and he doesn't deserve his miraculous or Marinette??? Be fucking fr. Yall piss me OFFFF.

At least Adrien and Alyas behavior came from a place of caring. While your faves have been consistently selfish and wild with their behaviors.

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(from ingrid and Shez’ C support in 3hopes)

it surprises me that it’s treated as a universal fact that the reason crests are so valued is because they are (allegedly) divine blessings from Star Mommy when Ingrid straight up says “it’s because of the power they give and let bearers wield weapons,” and then also says that they’re needed for Protecting Their People.

like idk this just seems very obvious to me? ofc they don’t /just/ want superpowers because they’re allegedly divine blessings. you can get divine blessings anywhere. they want the superpowers because of the power they give😭.

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Ladybug's Lucky Charms in Werepapas

Let's talk about another detail that people kinda REALLY wanna ignore about Marinette's decision in the Werepapas akuma battle. It's the fact that she hand-waves away FIVE Lucky Charms until she finally goes with the sixth:

No, that is NOT irrelevant. Marinette is not supposed to disregard her Lucky Charms left and right because they're trying to tell her what she's supposed to do. That's Lucky Charm 101 in an akuma battle.

I'm not gonna pretend like I know for 100% certainty what they all tried to tell her, but

1) a couple of them can be easily interpreted in very relevant ways.

And 2) I don't NEED to know what exactly they all mean because it doesn't need to be PROVEN that Marinette isn't supposed to cherry-pick her Lucky Charms. We've known since s1 how this works and it's still done like this in s6. Thanks to not being limited anymore to 1 Lucky Charm, she gained the luxury of sometimes just getting to summon one for the purpose of whooping ass instead of solving the actual situation - which is still a lucky charm's REAL purpose - but that doesn't change the fact that you're supposed to listen to the Lucky Charm, not the Lucky Charm to you!

Under special circumstances like a final battle, sure, use additional ones to whoop ass. But you can't just switch out the problem solving Charm with a purely ass whooping one which is what Marinette did here in "Werepapas". It's fine when you do that in an extremely dire situation, but a normal akuma battle is no dire situation. Especially not when the only real stakes there are is being reckless with Adrien's amoks!

She's supposed to use whatever she gets and that'll lead her to the right solution. Not going through a whole line of Lucky Charms until she gets one where she finally likes the first thought she gets from it because of how little it challenges her self-preservation (makes you wonder if having unlimited Lucky Charms now isnt the worst thing that ever happened to her. Now she can just ignore whole Lucky Charms until she finally gets one that tells her something closer to what she wants to hear instead of listening to the CHARM)

Let's take a look at her 6 Lucky Charms:

From my recollection (so correct me if I'm wrong), while the teapot sometimes shows up here and there as filler Charms it was firmly established and used several times as a visual cue for Marinette to go to Master Fu.

Obviously, she can't do that anymore, but she has Alya as co-guardian, Luka who was trained by Su-Han, and even Su-Han himself as Celestial Guardian who now does whatever she wants.

In a situation where Adrien's amoks are the akuma object, it's a pretty logical thing to happen that her first Lucky Charm tells her to get Guaridan-related help. She has the option, all the needed support, and all the resources, but doesn't use it because it wouldn't be nice having to face the baggage that could come with it.

And even if you wanna say "She didn't get help because she didn't wanted the new Butterfly to possibly find out that Adrien is a Sentibeing!" Then that excuse still falls flat because obviously Adrien's LIFE is supposed to be more important than preventing that secret from coming out. The secret has no value if Adrien is DEAD.

Afterwards she gets a fan and this obviously could VERY likely mean that she's supposed to get Felix involved because he's the Miraculous holder of the Peacock. And by "VERY likely" I mean "I doubt there is a likely chance that it ISNT a hint to get Felix".

I won't even elaborate on this further. Her second Lucky Charm tried telling her to get Felix when Adrien's amoks were on the line and she ignored it. It is what it is.

For the third and fifth ones, I personally don't know what they could mean because I already struggle recognizing what exactly they are supposed to be. Though, they do have recognizable shapes. I bet other people could look at them and know where they've seen these objects before in the show.

Then right between these two, the fourth Charm Marinette summons is an unicycle (that for some reason isn't polkadotted, but screw it)

An unicycle like she summoned back in season 2 "Sabotis", the episode in which Alya became Rena Rouge for the first time. Meaning this one pointed to getting Rena's help.

For me, this is one of the most interesting ones regarding Marinette's feelings of not wanting to face the Lucky Charm's solution to instead protect all her secrets. But if anything, I would want to give it its own post and not half-ass it here. Cause there are a lot of layers to this one.

And, of course, the last one: the scarf. It's alongside the fan the one for which the fandom does casually acknowledge the symbolism of it being a call back to 1x01 "The Bubbler" where Marinette now infamously made the decision to let Adrien believe that it was his father who made the scarf for him - and not her - because of how happy it made Adrien that his father finally "cared":

I don't think I need to explain why it makes sense that this is the one s6 Marinette cherry-picks to finally work with. The poor scarf has been made into the symbol of Marinette wanting to keep pretty much everything about Adrien's family a secret from him. Including him being a Sentibeing. I miss the good old days when we dreamed of the scarf being set-up to become the catalyst for Adrien to write off his father as a useless deadbeat who isnt worth his time and love.

So, unfortunately, of course this is the one she goes with now. Even if it means taking the risk to kill Adrien. Anything to keep the secrets save and lies unnoticed. How tf did we GET here?

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I noticed this in certain crossovers that double as salt/bash fics (Namely in the beginning of Raise Your Voice Against Liars) but every time someone from fandom B meets Marinette, they automatically take her side no questions asked.

It’s like they lose the unique characteristics that makes sense them who they and become extensions of her will.

People will always have different opinions and preferences. Marinette’s “crush” on Adrien I know for a fact would not sit well with people like Ann Takamaki from Persona 5.

To anyone who has played the game, you know what I mean.

Another thing I have noticed is that people tend to pair her with Damian Wayne sometimes. DAMIAN WAYNE!? Has everyone lost their minds??!!??

That kid would absolutely hate Marinette! I am by no means a fan of Damian(I find him to be a very annoying brat) but I think even he would not tolerate her. Damian would constantly look down on her, call her out on a lot of her bullshit.

“What’s that? You didn't like Lila because she lied about having connections? Big deal Dupain-Cheng, everyone lies about that kind of thing. Grow up,”

And before anyone tries to give me the whole “Derision trauma” we all know that was a half-assed attempt to justify her stalking.

To quote Supernan:

“You’re not in love, you’re starstruck!”

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u go up to a girl who u bullied/helped to bully for years and think she’s rejecting you as a friend when really you just weren’t the person she wanted to see at that exact moment but in general she thinks ur alright and u ask her is there anything i can do to change ur mind about hating me forever and ever…? and she asks you ‘can you realign the stars?’ and you think wow. what a sick metaphor for asking me if i could turn back time and not have played a hand in her childhood trauma. i will say no and leave in tears. but no. marinette’s ACTUALLY asking if sabrina knows how to reschedule a star’s arrival at Jupiter because of its astrological significance and how that could positively affect her romantic relationship with adrien I Love This Show

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Yeah, I've seen that reasoning so many times, and the worst thing is that everytime someone tries that reasoning, the way they say it always feels so slimy with how they sound condescending, especially with how they act like they've exonerated Marinette completely.

After seeing several response about Sublimation, I can't help but feel like people are using Adrien's lack of social skill to justify Marinette's stalker behaviour.

"He's okay with it, so it's not stalking", "He doesn't know, so it's okay", "No one was harmed, so what's the big deal" are the excuses I've seen the most. And with Sublimation, people were going "Oh, he knows her so well, that's cute". I can't help but ask what exactly is cute about that?

Folks, this guy is someone who's been socially depraved for YEARS since he was a kid with his only friend being Chloe. He has little to no awareness of what is acceptable in society and what is not.

Him accepting the treatment and behavior doesn't make it okay.

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Marinette Salt Prompts: Truth and Lies if they did it again.

Ok so I just saw Ilustrhater today and I ... well I feel that this prompt writes itself doesn't it?

After Alya left with Nino to go investigate the new wielder of the Butterfly Miraculous, Marinette was left alone with Adrien. Sure, Marinette was unsure about what to do, but it would be fine! All she had to do was talk to him ... right?

Well, that seemed to be impossible for Marinette. Unable to talk to her ACTUAL boyfriend, Marinette decided to run off, having used a nearby fire as an excuse to transform, leaving Adrien alone at the cinema for two WHOLE hours because transforming and running off was TOTALLY better idea than asking Adrien what he wanted out of their relationship.

Of course, she was REALLY sorry when she came back to find Adrien still standing there and the movie had already finished, so she tried to make it up to him by bringing him to a nearby cafe. Hopefully that would fix the rest of the day...

Only for that to fail when Marinette once again was unable to talk to her boyfriend. Having ordered some wierd cookies and having accidentally kicked Adrien under the table, she decided to run off again and transform to help Sabrina with a cat stuck in a tree.

It was coincidental that an akuma chose to appear sometime after and Ladybug was there to stop it, but by the time she had detransformed, the ENTIRE DAY had passed without a single bit of communication with Adrien.

Sometime later, Marinette invited Adrien out to another movie, but when he finally got there, Marinette was shocked to find that he had no interest in watching a movie. Instead, he was here to break up with her.

As Marinette and Adrien stood over a bridge, Marinette was starting to tear up as Adrien explained he had no interest in this relationship anymore. Between having lost his father and having been in a prior relationship with Kagami, Adrien told her that as much as he cared about Marinette, he was not willing to put himself in a relationship where his S.O. would run off on him like that, especially since he had already done that to Kagami unintentionally. He missed his father, sure, but he could not forget how his father practically avoided him for most of his life since his mother's death.

Of course, Marinette tried to talk him out of it. Saying that she cares for him, that she had a good reason for running off that day, that he was someone very important to her, but Adrien was having none of that.

Adrien: I still don't understand. Why would you run away? We were supposed to spend the day with each other and just have a good time.

Marinette: I just .... im sorry.... I have no idea how I'm supposed to act in a relationship.

Adrien: Well... admittedly I don't really know either, but I thought that we could have tried to figure this out together. That if I just spent the day with you, I could figure out how to be good enough for you.

Marinette: We still can Adrien. You are good enough, great enough even! Just please ... stay with me. Trust Me.

Adrien: I... I can't. When you left me alone that day... I felt like I lost my family again for the third time. First my mother, then my father, and now the person I love went out of my life. You're telling me to trust you, but how can I trust you when you run off like this? Can I trust that you will stay by my side when I feel the same way? I.... no. I'm sorry Marinette, but this is over. Between everything that happened and now this... I don't think I can be in love again. Not for a while.

Adrien left Marinette in the twilight of Paris, not looking back even as the Heroine of Paris wept and grieved.

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How Astruc sees Chloe

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Astruc writting Chloe in Season 1: A regular school bully, pretty much harmless.

Astruc writting Chloe in Season 6 probably: Chloe Bourgeois is actually the one who broke the peacock miraculous in the first place and is thus the reason why Emilie died, I mean got sick and thus caused Gabriel to siral and become Hawkmoth which of cause causedd the entire series to happen and eventually lead to Gabriel sacrificing himself to bring bakc Natalie and forced Marinette to lie to Adrien and so Chloe is actually the reason why they haven't had the reveal yet. Don't you hate her enough? Did you also know she's the reason why Juleka and Rose haven't gotten together yet, or why Rose has her illness which he can't say. Did you know that Chloe actually broke-

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A common defence I've seen in several places by Marinette Defenders to argue that Marinette is not a stalker of Adrien for her at best stalkerish behaviour such as going to Shanghai solely to follow Adrien there or enlist the unknowing assistance of Firefighters to help her break into Adrien's house, is that Adrien literally doesn't know what Marinette is doing and therefore Marinette cannot be called a stalker. Firstly that's like saying someone hasn't done anything wrong if they stole something and the victim hasn't noticed it yet. Things don't just suddenly become fine to do to someone if they don't realise what's going on.

Okay sure, some countries may have the requirement of the person noticing for it to count as stalking, but that doesn't change the fact that such behaviour is wrong, and no it is not just the actions of a awkward teenager which is another common defence. Last time I checked, most awkward teenagers don't do even half of the morally dubious at best actions Marinette undertakes in her pursuit of Adrien, such as breaking into someone's house on several occasions or lying to your parents about the purpose of a proposed trip with the sole purpose of following someone to another country.

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I haven't seen the London special—and I don't want to—but I've read the plot and something just occurred to me.

Why did Bunnyx need Ladybug's help? Why couldn't Bunnyx have figured things out and fixed the timeline herself? I know only the 14-year-old Bunnyx was left, but that gives her ample time to do SOMETHING.

According to Marinette, she believes that the Rabbit Miraculous is actually the most powerful of all the miraculouses. That means a whole lot of responsibility, which she gave to Alix when she let her keep the Rabbit Miraculous PERMANENTLY.

So, why didn't Alix just fix the timelines herself? She was the Present Alix, which means nothing has happened to her at the moment. She could've brainstormed her way into figuring out what happened, who it is, and stopped them herself.

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like if you give someone a miraculous that YOU YOURSELF BELIEVE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MIRACULOUS, YOU'D GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY WORK BY THEMSELVES???

And it's not like I'm saying Alix can't ask for help, but it just feels like her first thought was: "I gotta get Ladybug!" And not "Oh my God, the timelines are changing, I have to figure out who it is!"

If Alix is going to run to Ladybug every time the timeline changes, why give her the responsibility of making sure nothing happens to the timeline in the first place??? If it's going to be like that, Ladybug might as well have just kept the Rabbit Miraculous herself, since it seems like she'll be the one shouldering the job anyway.

The show's obsession with making Marinette do everything herself has created massive flaws in the narrative and makes a ton of characters look bad - or at least poorly suited to their hero role - because they generally default to only doing what Marinette tells them to do. The show will even go out of its way to punish characters when they take initiative. If your name isn't Marinette, then initiative is always, always punished. And if your name is Marinette? Then it depends on the writers' mercurial whims and not anything even remotely resembling logic.

Alya suffers the the initiative = bad curse all the time like in Optigami where she decides to take the turtle to the day's fight even though she was only told to take the fox and the bee:

Rena Rouge: Mirage! (an illusion of Ladybug is created) And voila! A cool little Ladybug illusion to keep Style Queen busy while I'll… (Rena Rouge looks at the Turtle Miraculous container on the Miracle Box and takes the Miraculous) Longg: Did the guardian ask you to do that? Rena Rouge: Just a precaution.

This should have been Alya's moment to shine. A moment where she took initiative and it paid off, showing Marinette that she could trust others to make their own calls. Instead, this choice is painted as Alya being blinded by her love for Nino and leads to Shadow Moth almost getting the turtle because he just so happened to make a perfect clone of Nino and Alya unknowingly gave the clone the turtle. (Why does this show love evil twins so much? This is basically a the same plot as the season four final. Get a new gimmick! This one is just dumb.)

Even more annoyingly, the one who unmasks sentiNino isn't his girlfriend, it's Ladybug even though the thing that exposes sentiNino is something unique to Nino and Alya:

Ladybug: I guess it was only here to help repair everything. (looks confused when she sees her compact mirror) (Sentinino gives Alya a simple hi-five) (Ladybug remembers Alya and Nino's special hi-five in a flashback) Ladybug: (looks at both of them with curious look) We're gonna have to be a lot more careful now. Shadow Moth knows the identities of some of the people I have given a miraculous and apparently he's decided to use this information. (looks at Sentinino) Isn't that right, Shadow Moth? (Alya becomes shocked, and Sentinino panicks as he got exposed) Ladybug: I'm sorry Alya, you better move away from him. This isn't Nino, it's a Sentimonster. Alya: Huh? (gasps)

It's Alya and Nino's special handshake!!! Alya should be the one to figure it out, not Ladybug!!! Writers, stop this! Let Marinette have competent allies! She's not suddenly less cool if other people are useful! Also, stop making love a bad thing! Alya and Marinette both suffer every time they're open with their love interest and I hate it. Whatever happened to romantic love being a good thing?

Anyway, all of the Optigami nonsense leads to an ending that makes zero sense:

Alya: Shadow Moth almost unmasked you because of me. I should have never taken the Turtle Miraculous. Marinette: It's true, you did make a mistake, and that's why I'm gonna have to make a difficult decision. The most important thing is to learn from our mistakes. And today, I learned that I need an ally who can replace me in case something happens to me one day. (hands Alya the Fox Miraculous) From now on, you will keep the Miraculous of the Fox with you, and I'm gonna tell you everything I know.

This ending does not fit the episode in the slightest. Why does Alya's failure make her promotion material? How was the turtle even a failure when it would have been fine if that was really Nino? How was anyone supposed to tell that wasn't Nino when the peacock is so stupidly overpowered? It's so dumb!

This episode should have been Alya earning her promotion by being awesome, taking initiative, and noticing things Marinette didn't. What is the point of having a reporter who never notices things? Why does Marinette decide to give Alya secret knowledge and a full-time miraculous in an episode that was all about Shadow Moth almost winning because he knows the temp heroes' identities? Why does nothing about this show make sense? Writers, what are you doing???

The saddest thing about this Marinette-first approach is that it's not even making Marinette look good. This goes beyond the asinine "Marinette must always be wrong" rule. The problem here is that the narrative has made many of the secondary characters feel incredibly important. As a result, the audience naturally expects those characters to have important roles. When those character are then denied the roles that they should have, the audience gets angry and the anger usually gets directed at Marinette. For many viewers, it feels like she's hogging the spotlight and denying herself help even thought those things are poorly thought-out choices made by the writers and not intentional flaws that are meant to be part of Marinette's character.

I know one person whose favorite character is Alix, Alya is one of mine, and a huge portion of the fandom loves Adrien. All characters who should have been allowed to shine, but who got shoved to the side in favor of Marinette. The casual watcher is not going to blame the writing for that. They're going to get mad at Marinette because she's basically the avatar of the bad writing, forced to do the most asinine things so that she maintains the spotlight even if it's slowly killing her character while making every other character look pathetic and/or ineffectual.

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Claude: "Allying with the Empire and killing Rhea is the best way to end this war quickly while keeping Leicester safe and independent" Also Claude: "Edelgard won't stop her war until all of Fodlan is united under her banner. I know that, Holst knows that, we all know that"

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i haven't watched MHA in its entirety so correct me if I'm wrong but bakugou started off as a good example of how privilege can turn people into absolute assholes.

because bakugou didn't have a tragic backstory, he didn't have abusive parents or a dead lover or a torturous childhood. he was in fact the "gifted child", praised at every turn for having such a cool quirk and told repeatedly that he would have a great future. his parents seem decent enough and there is no inkling of trauma there, only a man who was praised by everyone to the point that he developed an inflated ego.

this was, in theory, a really good base for a character. it shows how privileged people often take their position for granted and feel threatened when minorities actually start to stand up for themselves or gain attention (see: cishet people complaining about not getting a "straight pride month").

but then, the story ruined it by coddling bakugou and never having him learn his lesson. i don't care that he apologized to midoriya in the manga, the fact that it took so long for him to do that is bad enough. and the fact that none of the teachers stopped bakugou from bullying his classmates, especially midoriya, and he apparently goes back to acting like an asshole after the apology.. yeah. yikes.

you had the opportunity to create a really interesting character and address some important social issues, but you completely ignored it in favor of fanservice.

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Honestly in my opinion, the whole silent protagonist thing for Link doesn't add anything. I'm not expecting Link to start speaking essays worth of voice acted dialogue or anything like that, but I would like more individuality from him so that he feels like an actual character.

Honestly I wish they would give up on the idea of trying to make Link 'relatable' and just make him into an actual character. Felt like we were kind of moving in that direction with WW/TP/SS Links which were very expressive but then BOTW/TOTK decided to make him as bland as possible.

idk about you but if I watched my bff/maybe girlfriend turn into a dragon in front of me, I would be on my knees sobbing, not staring straight ahead like :|

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Good points from the both of you.

In Full Disclosure even after completing the game, I didn't really understand why people were saying that Hyrule under Rauru gave off imperialistic vibes until I decided to rewatch the Ganondorf meeting Rauru scene where it all clicked into place.

I am not above admitting that sometimes I wander out of my little hole to see what other people are discussing in LoZ fandom because I get bored and I like to add unnecessary spice to my life. Anyways, on my most recent foray, I read a very interesting take, with OP being frustrated with those who would view Rauru as a villain and Ganondorf as a misunderstood hero. It started out fine, with the argument that any story that has a monarchy will have imperialism built in because we inherently understand monarchies to be imperialistic. They also argued that there is some grounds for critique in the games given that the Gerudo are often framed as enemies while Hylian monarchy is good. However, they then argued that it is not correct to to think that Rauru is an imperialist, or that Sonia and Rauru's idea of a kingdom is propaganda because it is not true for the context of the story. To assign any suspicion to Rauru's actions as a imperialist and a colonizer would mean that the writers put it in there intentionally, and that is assigning credit to the writers for writing something that they never intended. Thus, in the context of the story, you must accept that Rauru is wholly good, and instead turn your critique to the writers who wrote the story from the perspective that heavenly-ordained divine right to rule is a good thing. So uh. How do we critique the writers. Do we attack them personally, or should we critique that the story tries to explain that Rauru is a good imperialist while literally doing very little to justify his entitlement to the position of king of Hyrule? Maybe we should critique that the story is insisting that Ganondorf is evil, but does very little narrative work in making his evil something believable, especially when Rauru is insisting that he join his kingdom (or else)? Like I understand the argument of not assigning intention where it is not due, but if you want to argue that monarchy stories are based in the real life context of imperialism then you can't demand that people suspend their belief about everything that makes imperialism shitty and oppressive just because this fictional story decided that imperialism is good.