#anti dofp

[mcmusing]

📣: Charles Xavier is a king, but X-movies are trash.

That's my message to the world.

[theonlyblackcanary]

The reason I think why Days of Future Past's visual effects have aged so well is because they didn't just shoot in a green screen area, they shot in sets and on location as much as possible and had the actors do choreography fighting with the Sentinels.

Also the screen isn't full of visual noise to distract you. When Colossus's wrist is twisted and his head crushed, when Sunspot and Bobby's necks are snapped, when Blink is stabbed, when Warpath is killed, all you see is what you need to see.

Unlike Endgame where there's so much happening it's distracting, Days focuses on what needs to be focused on

But noooooo Endgame is the superior movie NOT

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

Not only does Charles repeating the speech he gave to himself to Stephan have no meaning it really demonstrates what an uncreative writer Waldron really is. Like he couldn't come up with anything new he just copy pasted

That's probably one of the best examples of where Marvel is going wrong nowadays.

Many fans wanted them to reference other movies in order to make the MCU universe feel larger. Okay, cool. And so, since MoM was going to introduce Charles for the first time, Waldron thought of using his famous line from DoFP. Okay, cool again. It would be a nice callback to what's arguably the best X-Men movie to date.

Except... it doesn't work because it makes no freaking sense!

Charles said that line to Stephen in the context where Charles himself and his team are wrong, and Stephen is the only one in the right. Stephen was NOT stumbling and losing his way. Charles and his team were the ones who had lost their way right when they decided to execute 838 Stephen in Titan (and what's very likely, way before that too.)

So, you'd think... well, maybe that was Waldron's intent. Maybe he wanted to show the audience that Charles was wrong and he said that line without realizing he is the one who's lost. That would have been nice... if Waldron hadn't framed him and the Illuminati as heroes. It's obvious that the framing of the entire conversation between Stephen and the Illuminati is to portray him as mistaken, to claim he's the "most dangerous man in the multiverse" and to convince the audience that the team was right (not to mention we don't even get to hear from 838 Stephen, the Illuminati are given word of god here. It's the exact same thing he did with Mobius and Loki in S1E1)

So Waldron unironically took Charles' line from DoFP and stripped it of its meaning, he removed the context of why Charles said that to his future self (in what is one of the BEST scenes in Marvel, period) and he just had poor Patrick Stewart say it again for no freaking reason other than "the fans will tweet about it and it will serve as promo for the movie".

And that's what takes me back to how much Marvel is fucking up these days. They're desperate for that clout, the one-liners that can be added to memes and tweets and will be shared with thousands of people, and they're sacrificing the narrative and the characters in order to achieve that. "Oh, you want a Thanos-themed ice cream shop in New Asgard? It doesn't make sense but sure! That will be everywhere on reddit!." It fucks with the story and the suspension of disbelief but as long as it gets shared on social media...

[themoonking]

if this version of wolverine letting down his world wasn't in reference to a specific event in the previous fox x men films that went wrong (such as him potentially failing to rewrite the timeline in dofp) i think the occam's razor solution is that his x men faced off against a version of cassandra nova in the past and he was the sole survivor

who's the main villain of deadpool and wolverine? cassandra nova. what is her comic book counterpart known for? staging a massive attack on genosha resulting in the deaths of countless mutants. this wolverine "let down his entire world", is super depressed with no friends, and one can assume that the other x men are dead. also, why does deadpool go after this specific wolverine?

a very simple solution to tie logan into the main plot would be that the variant of cassandra nova in the void is threatening the timeline(s) and they need someone who has faced off against a version of her before. this logan gets a symbolic do over of the event that killed his friends and left him guilt ridden and alone. though, again, it could be just a divergent timeline from a pre-existing fox x men event.

[physalian]

X-Men First Class Appreciation Post

I own this on BluRay courtesy of thrifting. Can I just gush about this amazing piece of cinema for a moment? Does anyone still care about this movie?

So much of why this movie works is expectation and precedent. Had these characters been drawn up out of thin air for this movie, never before seen in any other medium, it still would have been amazing, but the history of how this movie came to be just pushes it over the top.

I grew up with the OG trilogy and while I know Last Stand is not good, I used to watch it if I saw it on while channel surfing. I have X2 also on dvd because I saw it while thrifting. Completely new actors, save for the Wolverine cameo, but the same old song, just a new verse. This movie will never exist in isolation, so while Erik’s arc is amazing, knowing that people who don’t read comics are seeing the main villain from the movies they know now an anti-hero with a gut-wrenching backstory, who’s right, is fantastic.

Knowing what these characters will come to be later in life as you watch it all slowly fall apart and their fundamental, philosophical divide on the nature of humanity and their place in it, is fantastic.

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But beyond the history that bolsters this movie (which I think is the best X-Men movie, above DOFP and Logan), it’s just a fantastic screenplay.

The script: It’s such a tight script with only a few odd things here and there, like Emma Frost just existing after she’s served her purpose in the plot. It’s longer than I remember every time I watch it, too, kind of two movies rolled into one that splits into the second half after the CIA base attack. The setup and payoff of Erik’s “rage and serenity” moment with the dish, is the highlight. The backdrop of the 60s, weaving in real politics kind of like Forest Gump as if this all really was a shadow war going on, helped it feel more grounded than the plots of the OGs.

The characters: Obviously pulled from decades’ worth of groundwork, First Class does so, so well establishing the dichotomy of Charles and Erik, while also not leaving the rest of the team as one-note (mostly, the tornado wind dude doesn’t have a single line in the whole movie). Shaw as a villain is just hammy enough, with a ridiculously sinister comic-booky plan, it’s great.

The music: Standout here being the leitmotif for Erik, which you can hear shift as his attitude shifts from “rage” to “serenity”. The difference in the music when he’s on screen between the Villa Gessel bar scene and the sub lift. This is Erik’s movie. Charles supporting him, and everyone and everything else supporting them, and the music reflects that.

The acting: A refreshing set of faces that bring a lot of subtlety in gesture, I particularly like Charles feigning massaging his temple at the bar when he meets Moira so he can focus on her thoughts or how is attitude changes around Raven and her “cosmetic issue”. Fantastic representations, both in presence and face, of what a younger version of the OG cast might’ve been like.

The story: Yes the overarching plot of nuclear war is fun and all but the meat of the story is Erik and Charles’ relationship and their approach to mutants in human society, as it always is, and the interactions with the newer recruits. There’s plenty of quiet moments that take themselves absolutely sincerely, no half-assed awkward jokes to laugh at itself before the audience can because the writers are insecure. You know how it has to end, and this movie doesn’t for one second pretend it won’t. It never asks if they’ll end up as enemies, it spends the entire time showing you how they became enemies, which is what a prequel should do.

The climax: The last, gosh, 45 mins of this movie? Fantastic. The Americans and the Russians being played as equals but opposite, neither side being vilified because both are victims of Shaw’s plans. They’re just innocents caught in the middle (the sailors on all the boats, not the greedy higher ups). The coin, the setup and payoff and Chekhov’s gun of the goddamn coin that Erik first flicks into Shaw’s picture’s forehead at the start of the movie. Charles screaming as he still holds Shaw frozen because he feels both Shaw’s pain and the horror of what Erik’s doing. Also the choreography incorporating the various mutant powers. All of it. No notes. 10/10.

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Smaller things, too. Making sure Charles and Erik have their little chess matches. The multi split-screen during the training montage and the era-appropriate music beyond the score. Dancing around the love triangle between Erik, Raven, and Charles without having it be a huge piece of the plot. Without any romance distracting from the plot, just dressing on the side. Erik being such a tired dad already around the younger mutants. The "yes we do" sonar moment. Raven still getting to use her non-combatant powers in the finale to trick Azazel. All of Michael Fassbender’s languages, rather long conversations that aren’t in English. The nods to the story at large with Charles’ hair comments, Wolverine’s cameo, cheeky origins for their hero names, the jet from the OG movies, the other significant characters popping up.

Also the balance between conflicts that do and don’t rely on powers. The final fight isn’t a fistfight and for a comic book climax, that’s kind of rare (and no blue sky beam). This is a climax that can only happen in this story. Erik doesn’t just punch Shaw into submission, he magnetizes a coin through his skull. That’s how it’s done.

I love this movie. I just watched it before making this post and I already want to watch it again.

[stinkrat-aleks]

Just read the new chapter of ur soccer au and I'm loving it!! Poor pietro, he has my heart.

However when I got to the part where Charles wonders that Erik never seems to object when Charles takes things to manage his telepathy but he does when it comes to Pietro. It kinda does make me sad for Charles. Will we see more of this in the next chapter??

Loved the fic!

Thank you so much for reading and sharing your thoughts!

To answer your question, yes, Charles and Erik will eventually talk in present-time about things like mutant healthcare + medication + Pietro’s ADHD and Charles’ paraplegia. Their reconciliation scene will probably be the chapter after Wanda’s.

But, don’t feel sad for Charles (regarding the painkillers at least)! There are lots of implied reasons that Erik might be okay with Charles taking meds:

Excedrin is an over-the-counter pill that is used in the general population for mild headaches, whereas Adderall is a highly stigmatized prescription drug that parents often worry is overprescribed to children

Charles takes his medicine as needed to get rid of migraines, but Pietro taking a prescription regularly is different (to Erik) in that he might not want his son to become dependent on the drug to function. This is one of the more common talking points in anti-medication discourse, at least in my experience—I’ve worked with many parents who cite “risk of addiction/dependence” as a reason not to medicate their ADHD student.

Canonically, Erik is very proud about being a mutant. So he definitely doesn’t like that doctors are pathologizing Pietro’s gift—he believes the ADHD symptoms are a feature, not a bug (as annoying as he finds them). But in the case of Charles’ telepathy, migraines are a negative side effect.

Charle’s migraines cause him to express visible pain. Pietro’s mutation does not.

Charles is an adult. Pietro is a child.

There are more known telepaths in the world than speedsters at this point in time, so new medications aren’t yet widely tested in individuals with Pietro’s mutation. They have no idea how it’ll affect Pietro, while Charles presumably has been using Excedrin for a while.

Honestly any of these reasons(s) and more could be Erik’s thinking, so for now feel free to take your pick 🤷 I hope that part didn’t come off as Erik not caring about Charles’ telepathy! Erik definitely would have a problem if the Excedrin had the DoFP-effect on Charles (i.e. if he lost his powers from taking them. That’s not the case in this AU).

[thepariahcontinuum]

a case 53 that actually has something suitably worm-y to get to the end result of having a telepathy power. Maybe they inflict telepathy on others and its something like an emotion sense rather than words? Or its eden's version of jack slash's shard

See my idea for a Case 53 mutation was immediately "Angstrom Levy from Invincible, but even less human" just a long limbed, spindly Gollum thing but with big ol' tumours of brain tissue growing all the way down their spine..... I'm picturing something oddly amphibious looking.

Inflicting telepathy on other people is an absolutely fucking terrifying concept of you think about it for more than a minute, I immediately thought X-Men DOFP "All those voices"

This is a villain leaning rogue/vigilante, someone who goes after the anti Case 53 bigots and has definitely run up against E88 and the Fallen, violently. They have noble and worthy goals and beliefs and they well absolutely mindfuck anyone getting in the way of them to oblivion and back... You really don't want every thought the people around you have about you screaming into your skull at all times, you don't want to know about your kids sex lives or that your wife is cheating with the neighbours.

Costume seems redundant where case 53s are concerned tbh.

Cape name: Neurosis

[mcmusing]

😏😇

[ill-say-this-fast]

How do you feel about X-MCU! Quicksilver x MCU! Scarlet Witch?

yeah I know its a pretty crack ship but like it doesn't have to be in a romantic way. It can be like platonic and/or family bond or whatever. I just really like speculating what their dynamic would be like, how they would meet, etc. etc.

(Btw up to you if you consider Ralph -ugh- Boner secretly Peter Maximoff)

It's not my favourite version of the ship, mostly because I don't like that they don't have an established relationship with each other and I prefer 'incredibly codependent and have never been apart in their life.' 'Essentially strangers' is an odd dynamic for them imo.

But theres definitely interesting stuff in there. xmen Quicksilver is basically Tommy in personality (and background) and thats an interesting dynamic for him to have with Wanda. Especially for her to see what her brother would be like if he'd had a slightly less hard life, less anti-social, less unhappy and all that. Or is she more of a maternal figure to him than she wouldve been with her Pietro?

I didnt watch wandavision (i dont like the way the mcu used Wanda, also i just hate seeing Vision's face), so Ive only percieved it through tumblr, but I dont see any reason to not throw out the Ralph thing to get something more interesting. (Also the like 2 gifs of him interacting with the kids is very important for scarletsilver reasons. I want them to be a family so bad.)

Personally I have a lot of headcanons for the new xmen to make Peter more like actual Quicksilver (eg. Wanda being more than a hint in the DOFP directors cut) so I'd be working with a different characterisation preferably. I can't see him not wanting to help any version of Wanda he meets tbh, unless she's trying to hurt his Wanda. He knows how completely lost he'd be without her and would want to help her get her version of him back and would try to keep her balanced in the meantime. I'd see that as something softer and more romantic on his side, even if she's more desperate.

If you want to take the more immature characterisation that xmen Peter has, I kinda like the idea that he's in love with his Wanda but she's holding back, and then he gets dragged into this other world with a Wanda who isn't afraid of wanting to be with him and so he gets (almost) everything he wants, like a paradise, and so does mcu Wanda, but there's always a tiny little thing wrong to go with the general uncanniness of wandavision (that they aren't the exact right version of each others' person) and they have to confront that eventually (and hopefully get back to their people for a happy ending)

[darkdoverpseeker]

character offered: Rogue

fandom: X-Men: original trilogy movieverse

rp you're offering for / rp type you'd wanna play in: Long-term PSL/1-on-1, though I'm always up for throwing in other characters as NPCs. And, for Marvel, I've got a good number of them.

I’m looking something either post-X3 or post-X2 (but still a bit into the future just eliminating the events of X3 -- let's be honest, no one liked that movie).

I'd be looking for a Pyro from this time period (probably putting them somewhere between the ages or 21-26). Preferably one that's been hardened by time with the Brotherhood, hates the hell out of humans, and who isn't afraid to commit to a ton of snark and antagonization between the two (along with the awful awkwardness that goes with them being on two completely opposite sides). I'd love for this to go into love/hate shipping territory. What their relationship actually was in previous movies (because X2 is vague on it) pre-X2 is up for discussion and brainstorming.

Generally, lots of clandestine meetings (being able to utilize the idea of emails and texts in RP is also a bonus) between the two, with a wide range of types of scenes. I'd love scenes with them arguing about morals and ideals as much as I would love more action-packed scenes. So, really, everything from fluff to angst to drama to slice-of-life to action to smut to… well, you get it. The potential for Rogue to switch sides and actually go to the Brotherhood is on the table, but that would be the result of character development and something that could played around with.

The current state of the world around them is completely open for brainstorming as well (DOFP-ish, various states of the Brotherhood’s influence on the world, various states of the X-Men’s influence on the world, how anti-mutant things are, etc.)

I have ideas for pretty much all of this that I'm happy to share, I'm just trying to avoid the dreaded wall of text (I've already failed at that). I'd love to hear from both seasoned-players of this character and people going "huh, I've never written this character but this sounds like something I might want to try". If you're in the latter category and you want a sounding board as you establish the character's voice, I'm more than happy to chat or do test scenes all you want.

preferences: 21+ writers only (I’d like this to go into NSFW territory so this is non-negotiable). I prefer third-person writing and past tense, but let me know if you prefer something else because I can adapt for a great line.

Tag length is really dependent on what needs to be gotten across in the tag. I generally like there to be a good mix of prose, actions, and thoughts so we both have something substantial to reply to. Plus, if I'm looking to write with a specific character, it's because I enjoy the character and want to know what's going on in their head. Basically, if you need five long paragraphs to get across what you need to in a tag, that's fine. If you need one paragraph that's fine. As long as it's not a series of one-liners.

If any of this sparks some other idea you want to pitch, contact me about that too. I’m easily enabled.

If you want more on the preferences/permissions front, I have a post https://gloves.dreamwidth.org/3728.html

I also have a shipping/kink/smut preferences post https://gloves.dreamwidth.org/28913.html

Please feel free to send a message if you’re interested:)

dm if interested!

[aloneonceagainaspredicted]

We can't forget the fact that humanity does suck repeatedly, in all timelines but also very openly in the First Class one.

Erik's mother was killed by a nazi when he was a boy, and by that time he had no idea of Shaw's mutant status, but we can't minimize the scars left by the holocaust; Erik also becomes a nazi hunter, so he's constantly entrenched amongst the worst pieces of shit all around the world.

Cuba's also a catastrophe because those missiles 100% were going to kill the mutants that fought for humanity which was exactly what Erik thought was going to happen (as he discussed it with Charles the night before in their chess-fucking routine) and fast-forwarding to DOFP, we get the knowledge that anti-mutant sentiment has become an active Thing™, that Trask has built insanely enormous robots to EXTERMINATE MUTANTS? And that most of Erik's Brotherhood has been experimented on or killed off.

It might look contradictory for Erik to hate humans so much, but the fact is that even when Erik does find selected humans that he connects with and eventually lets his guard down, being a mutant never stops making him Dangerous. Humanity has seen what he's capable of, and his record will forever follow him. Which fucks up a person and their willingness to conform.

And honestly, isn't it the whole point of Erik and Charles that they're soooooo messed up? Like, Charles's insistence on the pacifist route is at the bare minimum negligent and Erik's way is Karma's A Bitch (And That Bitch Is Me) and that's why these idiots keep clashing, it's fun! :D

i know Erik is always on his usual anti-human bullshit as usual, but has anyone ever sat him down and been like "a mutant killed your powerless human mother. Maybe you're fighting the wrong side, dear"

Like, in first class his whole beef is with Shaw, the mutant. And yet he's arguing every minute with Charles about humans being awful.

[mcmusing]

Unless it's purely headcanon and/or comic book projection, I have no idea where fandom gets the idea that cinematic Charles and Erik have mutual respect and care for each other. This might be true on Charles' end, but Erik's?

Across the original films and prequels, their every interaction involves Erik being condescending and accusatory towards Charles. To gaslighting proportions at times, as seen in dofp and dark phoenix. The only remote positivity from Erik consists of

-That one line he has in last stand defending Charles.... while he's teamed up with the woman who murdered him.

-That time in FC when he called him an adorable lab rat and patted his leg a little.

-Saying he wishes they had a few precious years back with Charles. As usual, I'm in the minority view, but Erik only teamed up with the remaining X-Men because he was completely out of options. And that death bed confession rings pretty hollow when it's decades of Erik's and Raven's actions that escalated the end of all humanity. Charles would have buried the hatchet and worked with them for a non-psychotic solution at any time.

-Erik aided in Charles' kidnapping and torture in apocalypse. His 'change of heart' was nonsensical and unrealistic. Charles wasn't his friend. Those factory workers he vindictively helped slaughter were his friends. Charles was some guy he worked with, betrayed, maimed, and discarded for brief periods of times in the 60s and 70s.

-Charles hurries to see about the murderous Erik's well-being in apocalypse, but when Erik suspected Jean killed someone they knew? The moron of magnetism did absolutely nothing! Made not even the feeblest attempt to check on Charles. Don't even try to point out that Paris ending. Sending an exiled Charles off to live with the maniac who physically and emotionally harmed him again and again is the most depraved thing these movies have ever done.

At best, Erik sees Charles as something of an intellectual equal. He might even like him on a personal level. Otherwise, if the telepath isn't immediately useful to his current plans, he's as expendable as everyone else.

No, this isn't me hating on the poor holocaust victim. Assign that accusation to the subconscious of those who wrote for him. I wanted to love this chemistry oozing dynamic, but the films did everything in their power to not just ruin it. They made the friendship non-existent.

[professorxsmokesweed]

army recruiter: hey-

charles: fuck off! cheers!

[words-writ-in-starlight]

You know who manages to have an interesting conflicting dynamic between Scott and Logan without predicating the entire problem on a love triangle?  X-Men freaking Evolution.  

They have an innate difference of opinion about how far the X-Men should go in self-preservation against human attackers, because Logan’s very cold calculus is “hating us is one thing, but actively trying to kill a bunch of teenagers makes them the enemy” and Scott’s is "if we so much as bruise a single human, they’ll take it as license to shoot on sight.”  And they’re both right!  They are both absolutely correct!  But they can’t have it both ways and that’s a much more compelling problem than just periodically screaming at each other over Jean.

[it-meant-nothing]

Ahhhhh I would love to read your AUs @superherotiger 🤩🤩🤩 also, normally, in my imaginations… they never met pre-DOFP and that Peter was always too preoccupied with Wanda who had no control over her own powers. And then she died. And then Erik’s gonna realize he lost 2 daughters… (3 if we’re counting Anya).

But it’s also emotional if they’d met pre-DOFP and Erik was always too busy that he missed TWICE and didn’t figure out the boy in front of him was his son 😭 Bonus if Peter was captured by anti-mutant organizations before and Erik was too busy saving other mutants than his own mutant son 😭

[haunt4haunt]

literally WHO told the mcu this leather plated armor shit for their suits was cool. and why does EVERYONE have it now. wendy’s stupid armored tank top?? the ugly ass endgame white and red suits -_- put these bitches in yellow spandex or stop making comic book movies