#anti brudick

[5-7-9]

Atleast the other cest shippers don’t make claims about “queer history” they know it’s just a them thingy

[k4txlulzz]

do you guys ever think about how dick grayson bought so much genuine joy and laughter into bruce's angsty life

i think bruce cherishes every fun moment with his son because the day he stops hearing grayson's laughs and jokes and no longer sees that blinding smile on his face is the day bruce's life looses meaning

(the last part was very dramatic and corny i KNOWW its bruce @ any of the batkids because they all mean the world to him i just thought this would sound sweet in relation to these two)

[bbloggmaym3]

Found an arter who draws cute batfam art

Found out they also ship br*d*ck

[bats8batarangs]

Happy Valentines Day fellow degenerates 💖🦇

[lazaruspiss]

batrobin time :)

[spite-and-waffles]

I've been noticing some AO3 authors tagging their multiship orgy fics with "no incest" like. Firstly, that's what the pairing tags are for. Secondly, trying that performative anti-batcest shit on a gangbang is like wearing a purity ring to the Devil's Sacrament. It's not going to spare you at the stake and everybody just thinks you're an idiot.

[coolgelding]

a couple days ago i was thinking about how most antis are chill with stucky but not brudick when it's a very similar dynamic and i was getting mad because i thought it was so hypocritical but then i remembered the popular version of stucky is the mcu version where they're like the same age so i was basically mad at nothing.

moral of this story: i forgot about the mcu

[everydarkcorner]

I also want to add the reason why Brudick is such a historic ship: specifically because it was used as an example of The Dangerous Gays trying to Recruit Our God-Fearing Children.

In 1954, Fredric Wertham published a book called Seduction of the Innocent, in which he outlined that comic books of his time contained dangerous materials unsafe for children, including violence, alcohol, and (horror of horrors) Gays. He specifically targeted Batman and Robin, claiming that comics portrayed them as gay because they were unmarried, lived together, and (gasp!) wore dressing gowns. Seriously.

The whole argument of Seduction of the Innocent is the same argument antis make now: that showing taboo themes in media will drive people towards acting on those taboos irl. Now it seems laughable that Batman and Robin could turn kids gay, but antis are saying the same shit about the ship today. It's just about incest now.

Remember your queer history. And remember the antis of today are just the descendants of the homophobes of the past.

Happy pride month. 🏳️‍🌈

Fandom these days is wild.

I remember how Jaydick used to be the go to vanilla, childhood-crush-to-lovers soft ship for young, first time shippers that wanted something simple and completely unproblematic.

Now going by the general consensus if you ship Jaydick you're a fucking freak of nature and you should repent or burn in hell.

[ao3-top-batfam-ships-bracket]

people who says "oh no brudick has SUCH A huge age gap!" is that meme where Hannigram antis were so concerned about Will's age gap between Hannibal. i think the memes goes like "You can excuse Cannibalism but draw the line at Age gap"

People are concerned about the wildest things. We promise no Dick Graysons were harmed in the making of these polls.

[sadistichaunt]

Hello! Sending another ask because yeah, it did read as obnoxious and rude, but honestly, it wasn't supposed to be!! I just wanted to ask why you thought Brudick was worse than Sladick when Slade is a pedophile and that isn't me hating slade at all! It's a complex issue with his character, and it's good to be explored used against others, etc. I was just genuinely questioning why you were saying brudick was worse when Bruce has issues many many many issues, but he's not exactly (openly, at least) a pedophile and like they both groomed dick but one had his intentions open the other didn't. I'm not anti puritan etc. I loved fucked up complex relationships and I will admit my ask got lost in translation a bit!! So apologies but I'm just genuinely confused on why you think it's healthier than brudick!! And I do not see dick as Bruce's son cause I see em banging and even if I did they'd still be banging like that doesn't matter to me and I think pedophile is a strong word and again fictional characters but his intentions beliefs etc he still had sex with Tarra underage even if he didn't want to he did and in any other circumstances he would be on a list (and this is interesting kinda hot!!) But yeah again apologies

Hey anon! I'm gonna address this sentence by sentence because honestly, it sounds like you weren't even sure what your stance was.

1) I'm not saying that you hate slade. To answer your question (which I had already addressed in my original answer,) Brudick is worse because its all of the bad parts of Sladick, with the added bonus of actual grooming.

Let me reiterate. Slade did *not* groom Dick Grayson. Full stop. The *only* arguable part of that is from the 03 teen titans show, which is not a part of the *comics* canon. In the comics, they met each other when Dick was an adult. Anything they did after that point was two *adults* interacting- yes, there's a slight power imbalance, but Dick is incredibly capable and any imbalance would be negligible.

On the other hand, Bruce and Dick met when Dick was a child. Whether you subscribe to him being 8 or 13 or 16 when he became robin, what is relevant is that he was

A) actively reliant on Bruce for his well-being. He relied on Bruce for his housing, his finances, and his avoidance of going into foster care.

B) Bruce doesn't acknowledge the harm he does to Dick nearly as openly. He is toxic, is demanding, treats Dick as lesser than himself and does not see him as an equal in their relationship.

Note and correction from @inkrats:

"Bruce DOES see Dick as an equal. That’s part of the problem—that he, as a grown ass man expects the same emotional (and overall) understanding, capabilities, and intelligence from a child as he does from himself. Dick *has* to be hyper competent to keep up with him and the moment he can’t, the moment it gets *too hard* is the moment he’s faced with the very real threat of death, or worse, loosing Bruce. Be it through a mistake in the field that gets him killed or Bruce pushing him back out into the “otherness” that surrounds everyone who isn’t them and treating Dick like he’s never been on the inside at all.

to bounce off that, it’s not necessarily that he sees Dick as a lesser, he’s just inconsistent w how he treats him"

C) they are *incredibly* codependent. Bruce and Dick are tied together in every possible way, to the point where their beginnings and ends are muddled. With Slade, Dick is *able* to walk away.

That's what I was getting at in my post. Slade and Dick are *not* a healthy relationship in the slightest. But Bruce and Dick aren't either. It comes down to who is willing to be honest about it.

2) Once again- Slade never groomed Dick in the comics. He groomed *Tara/Terra*- which, by the way, you can at least spell her name right- but that is entirely irrelevant to this conversation.

3) Are you sure? Or are you just saying that you aren't because you've heard that it's bad to be puritan? You're not exactly defending your position well.

4) I'm not saying that it's *healthier,* god no. That's an entirely different debate. But Brudick is *worse* because of the points I've brought up. Slade has hurt Dick, for sure. That's part of the appeal. But when it comes down to it, when you put them side by side, Bruce has irreversibly changed Dick and hurt him deeper than Slade *ever* could.

5) You're saying that... Even if Dick was Bruce's son, you'd still stand by the fact that Slade is worse? Seriously?

So a relationship between a father/son, where the father grooms the son and they're extremely codependent to the point of ruin, is *better* than a toxic relationship between two unrelated, consenting adults?

Even if Dick and Bruce aren't father and son, Bruce still acts as his father in a lot of different aspects. Specifically, for Dick's *stability.* It is still taking advantage of someone relying on you. It's still inherently unbalanced.

6) In the vol1 TNTT, Slade is taking advantage of her naivity and her vulnerability. It has nothing to do with her being a minor, or her being attractive to him. He is *grooming* her for his own personal gain of killing the Teen Titans, not because he wants to fuck her. If they did, it was a cherry on top of a fucked up situation. It was not a pattern, it was not him targeting her because she's young.

7) if you think pedophile is a strong word, then *why do you keep using it incorrectly?* Slade is not a pedophile in any sense of the word. He's a creep, he's a groomer, he's an abuser, but he never once goes after *children.* There is a difference between an adult and an underage teenager and an adult and a literal child. Both are awful and dangerous and unhealthy, but there is a difference and Slade is a character that the difference is relevant with.

I am genuinely asking, here. Did you read my original response? I addressed 90% of this in that post. What it seems like to me is that you panicked, saw that I had implied you were an anti, and had to reply as quickly as you could to address that "accusation."

I don't think you're an anti, Anon. I don't necessarily think that you're stupid either. But, you aren't actually reading my response or caring about the conversation. I'll reiterate: come back when you have an actual opinion for this discussion. Read my posts, actually read them and think about what argument you are actually trying to make. Come back then, and we can have a genuine discussion rather than someone pointing fingers and someone trying to make sense of confused ramblings.

[fantastic-nonsense]

I was trying so hard to like the one discourse post you added to that it took me a minute to realize one of the other blogs must have me blocked lol. Anyway just wanted to say I really appreciated your addition and how you broke it down (plus it's just really interesting history in general). I was talking to a friend about it the other day and this'll be nice to reference as well! Hope your day is going well : )

Yeah. They blocked me pertty quickly, and I also think they're blocking anyone who likes it via me. Which. Understandable given that we are clearly polar opposites in opinion and they seem to want to block rather than engage with anyone who disagrees with them (I also took a cursory look at the blog early this morning after I saw this ask and they seemed to think I was agreeing with Frederic Wertham in my response, which. lol. no.).

I've done my time in the ship war trenches and I have zero interest in picking fights (morality-based or otherwise) over ships like I'm still a teenager. I think the core thing that bothered me is just the really open assertion that those ships (especially in the context of comics canon) were ever considered "vanilla" or "unproblematic" by the fandom-at-large at some point in the pre-"AO3 is the core repository of fandom content" era past when anyone older than 25 could tell you that was literally never the case.

Like, if you want to ship them fine. Gross, but as long as you tag it appropriately so I can avoid it it's fine; that's why AO3 has a tagging system and tumblr has a blacklist function. But to then go out of your way to assert that JayDick or BruDick was a "historically vanilla and unproblematic ship, actually!" while claiming everyone who disagrees is a "homophobic anti" is just utterly bizarre behavior.

[k4txlulzz]

tell me why i was peacefully looking for bunnywing posts and came across brudick. what the fuck

[EDIT: i now know that tags aren't exclusive and if i put anti something in my tags, that something will still show up on my feed^^; i have blocked the tags and moved on since]

[mistress-of-vos]

so i went to the blog of the person complaining so i could block them

(even outside of being anti "batcest" the way they doubled down on steph and babs not being batfam members despite how long and hard female comic fans worked to have them recognized as such was infuriating)

and they ship batjokes

and like ship and let ship

but,,,,

somehow shipping a man with his son's killer is more okay then shipping 2 ppl who share no blood, did not grow up together and almost certainly never referred to one another as siblings???

yikes on the hypocrisy

Not a BatJokes shipper being "anti batcest" 😭!!!

And yeah, even the weird attitude about who is "batfam" and who isn't was an screaming red flag to me. Personally I consider them all bats, because that's how their dynamic is. Now, asking WHO considers that they have a familiar bond is very different. As example: Jean-Paul is a bat ("batfam") but he has never shown to see anyone as family besides Cass, which was influenced by them having similar backgrounds and bonding over it.

Steph and Babs ARE bats, and they should never be limited to their role because of Tim or Dick. Just because Babs has a dad and doesn't consider Bruce a father, doesn't mean she isn't (canonically) a pillar of the bats and considered invaluable by Bruce.

Now, about BatJokes. I am a huge BatJokes (and Clex too) fan. Truth is that I don't go around considering if a ship is "darker" than another, I guess I simply run into ships I find interesting (for example Ra'sTim or SlaTara) and then, when they grow into me, I analyze their dynamic etc. So while I don't consider BatJokes more "problematic" than let's say BruDick, I find it very hypocrite to support the first one and attack the second, when in reality, censorship hates them both.

Like sure, you can like some ships and others not and it's valid to find things uncomfortable but GOD the hypocrisy here is Hannibal fans who are anti shipping level!!!

The anti rethoric has brainwashed so many people that some fans think "It applies to them but not me because -" and reality is that they will be burned as witches too when the antis come as they always do.

I genuinely find this tiring.

[muffinmonstah-art]

Man... after having a discourse with a BruDick anti, I feel like drawing my precious DC OTP again! The BruDick Week is going on right now? What a perfect timing to make a BruDick drawing!

[bats8batarangs]

Batcest warning!! Look away if uncomfy

One of my favourite convoluted love triangle headcanons is Tim likes Jay who likes Dick who has had an unrequited crush on Bruce for years who just thinks of his boys as...his boys. Dami also has a crush on Dick AND Tim but will never admit it.

I like to think Tim confessed to Jay and Jay was like "fuck off" but started looking at him differently. Perhaps they meet up for a makeout session every now and then but Jay's feelings are with Dick who he refuses to confess to.

"I will bury this feeling under multiple layers of snark and disdain until I die-for reals this time."

Dick knew lil Jay had a crush on him but didn't think post-lazarus pit Jay still held the same feelings so just treats him as a brother. He's still pining for his father/mentor after all. Dick was so obvious with his feelings as a kid but Bruce never picked up on it and eventually Dick gave up, burying his feelings in redheads and work. Part of his leaving Bruce so dramatically was realising his crush would never come to fruition.

Damian's crush on Dick developed after Bruce's death and Dick took such good care of him. He slipped it into conversation a few times but Dick didn't take it seriously, thinking he was just confusing familial love with romantic love. His crush on Tim on the other hand is something he refuses to admit but most of his bro's have caught onto it. Even Tim knows but refuses to acknowledge it, weirded out by it enough. He's grateful when Jon comes into the picture and takes Dami's attention away from him.

Now Bruce may be the greatest detective but he is shit when it comes to romance and even more so when it involves his boys. Selina knows pretty much all of it but doesn't want to out the boys before they're ready-and besides who wanted to break the news to such a love-adverse, awkward man like Bruce?

I didn't mention Duke in the intro but that's because he's not part of the triangle (hexagon?) and altho he knows a lot of who is crushing on who there is absolutely no form of torture that could get him to talk about it.

Steph and Cass are the only ones who have it together because they've been dating for a while and are pretty open about it. Even Bruce knows and acknowledges them. He will protect his girls if anyone says anything homophobic to them and u can quote me on that.

[lazaruspiss]

This 16th day of May in the year 2001