#anti boschlow

[flower-boi16]

Can we stop shipping victims with their abusers please?

[nighttimeebony]

This is gonna get me cancelled....

[averysherwood]

I agree with your post about the hipocrisy between Amillow and Boschlow. Both ships are bad tbh. I think Willow can't barely become friends with Amity again, much less date her. And their relationship won't work character-wise cause their arcs in the show have no connection. That's why I dislike Amillow, not because Lumity is canon. Weirdly, I've seen people still ship them despite complaining that Amity hasn't properly apologized to Willow or their friendship is forced.

Especially considering the fact that Amity's bulling can be seen as betrayal, which makes Amillow even worse. It's not completely impossible to rewrite canon to make Amillow canon, but... The same applies to Boshlow. Fandom has to either accept both or hate them with the same passion.

[sidecharactersdomatter]

thoughts on boschlow

It’s not my thing

CW: Abuse mention

I feel like shipping a bully and a target is like shipping an abuser with their victim. I’d rather ship Boscha with a s/o that can tolerate and negate her mean girl persona

[cantpickonefandoms]

Dear Tumblr,

If you could not recommend B****low content for me, that would be much appreciated, I ain’t about shipping Willow with the bitch who was unapologetically cruel to Willow her entire life, and instilled every single one of Willow’s insecurities in her.

[sapphicgoblinblog]

Boschlow is a good ship. Don’t @ me!

[fangirling-heart]

Hi Heart! Good morning ^w^

For the fandom Ask Game, how about The Owl House?

Hello! And good day/evening (it's evening for me)! Thank you for the chance to ramble about my favorite show! :)

my favorite female character

Luz Noceda my beloved! I have mentioned the numerous reasons why I like her so many times, I've probably become annoying, so I'll keep it brief: She's sweet, she's enthusiastic, she's unapologetically herself, she's smart, she's headstrong, she's extremely relatable to me, she's a weirdo, she's a legend and she is the moment!

my favorite male character

Hunter! Hunter is a really great character, who I absolutely love for his story and arc, his awesome design, his relationships with other characters, his personality...

He basically has everything it takes for me to love a character, including the antagonistic starting point (I do have a soft spot for redemption arcs), but he didn't really have a redemption arc, because he didn't really need it. Hunter was always a good person, trapped in the bad situation, but that doesn't make his arc any less impactful and wonderful.

my favorite book/season/etc

Definitely season 2. Literally every element in it bounces off each other perfectly. The character arcs get moving, we see many relationships grow and develop, we meet a lot new characters whose entrance to the show feels completely natural and very impactful and everything develops more and more! The story, the relationships, the characters! And then everything is comes together for a marvelous final act (Hollow Mind-King's Tide)!

my favorite episode (if its a tv show)

Thanks To Them. Yes, it's not a season 2 episode, but it's my absolute favorite one!

I will forever be pissed at disney for cutting this show short, but I will also forever be in awe for the way the crew handled the last season and especially this episode. It does an excellent job balancing out all the characters, a bunch of dynamics and I never thought that one scene was taking time from another one. Also, it focuses on a lot of the stuff I love the most about the show, like the dynamics of Luz and Hunter and Hunter and Flapjack, the lore of the Wittebanes, the shenanigans of the Hexsquad, Camila and her relationship with Luz, Belos being a creepy bitch (the fact that we didn't see him get hit by a car is a crime, but I gotta admit the idea of having him quietly getting stronger by possessing critters in the background to set the atmosphere and build up the ending part was great) and an awesome confrontation with a bunch of emotions for the end! 10/10 episode! (I still cry with Flapjack's sacrifice...)

my favorite cast member

The man, the myth, the legend, Alex Hirsch!

my favorite ship

I honestly have so many ships I love in this show, it's hard to choose just one. So I'm gonna say my top 3 (in no specific order):

Lumity

Huntlow

Raeda

a character I’d die defending

Camila Noceda! None of that "Camila is a bad mom!" crap is allowed here! In this house, we love and appreciate mama Noceda!

a character I just can’t sympathize with

Odalia Blight. That's an actual bad mom and horrible person! Screw her!

a character I grew to love

Probably King. I did like him from the beginning, just not so much when compared to other characters. But during season 2, when we got to explore his character more, outside of cute comic relief, I grew to love him.

my anti otp

Well, aside from obvious choices (incest, pedophilic ships), I personally don't like ships with the Hexsquad and Boscha, especially Boschlow. Aside from just, not really liking Boscha as a character, I just can’t see in general the appeal of the bully x victim of their bullying ship type.

[bigballsinmymouth23]

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basic dni, nstw, lunter, hunter x amity, boschlow shippers, anti xenogender or neopronouns, boyfriends fan, kymen shippers, mf who think "blackwashing" exist, dream smp stans

SHIPS

fnaf:

jessica x charlie

mangle x toy chica (human au)

mrs afton x william (past)

toh:

lumity

hutlow

raeda

willuz (willow x luz)

amillow (willow x amity)

willumity (willow x luz x amity)

veelow (vee x willow)

south park:

k2 (kyle x kenny)

wenjorine (wendy x marjorine)

Rebstella

creek

kybeccaa

bunny

kenjorine

stendy

bendy

[toh-proship-positivity]

7!

7.) Ship the antis in your fandom like, but you think is hella problematic? Boschlow, Boscha p much tormented and bullied Willow even more so then Amity did, yet people adore this ship. While I CAN see it work it still wouldn't be a healthy relationship the bullying would come back up whenever they'd argue no doubt, it'd hang like a dark cloud over their relationship, again I can see it work but it'd be a lot of work for both parties, which is not something I see portrayed a lot if at all again for me it's more about the hypcricy element of things, so even if I don't like this ship I won't throw shade at any boschlow shippers out there

[mcfuckity]

I’d love to see an Owl House AU that DOESNT revolve around Lumity for once

[the-lone-witch-and-secret-room]

On Boschlow, Skarlow and imaginary moral superiority

Alright, before anyone wants to yell at me for putting this in the ship tags, this is less an “anti ship”-post and more of an “I want to have this conversation with shippers because I think it’s important to talk about this”-post.

So, Boschlow has always been a fairly popular ship in the fandom, which doesn’t really surprise me, because the whole bully/victim dynamic is just incredibly popular, no matter which fandom you enter.

As a person that got bullied throughout the majority of my high school years, I have thoughts about this dynamic being so popular in general, but that’s not what we’re here to discuss today.

Recently, there has been an increasing number of Skarlow shippers making art and writing fics.

What makes this so different from Boschlow?

Essentially... nothing, and that’s exactly why I felt the need to make a post about this.

I’ve seen a bunch of Skarlow shippers say they do not ship Boschlow because Boscha is an awful person, putting themselves above the Boschlow shippers and making Skarlow a “superior” dynamic, based on... what, exactly?

From my perspective, there’s exactly two things Skara has on Boscha when it comes to shipping her with Willow. One being, she hasn’t thrown trash on her—which is an incredibly low bar to set.

The other thing? Skara acknowledged Willow’s Grudgby skills at the end of WILW.

And that’s a scene that gets misinterpreted a lot. See, people take Skara being nice to Willow here as a sign that she’s a way better person than Boscha, that she’s changed, and so on and so forth.

But this is untrue.

What exactly is it that changes between the beginning of WILW and the ending of the episode, between Willow and Skara specifically? It’s that Skara has seen Willow is good at Grudgby. Grudgby is something of value to Skara, thus, Willow’s skills impressing her makes Willow someone worthy of being treated well.

The ending of the Grudgby episode isn’t everyone except Boscha suddenly magically being better people. They’re all still very much bullies. They’re just now seeing Willow as someone who is better than other people because of her skills—and should therefore be treated better.

Boscha isn’t as willing to share her imaginary pedestal with Willow. But that’s the only difference. All the Grudgby girls are currently still on that pedestal. They’re just seeing Willow as someone worth sharing it with now. If they saw someone being “weak” the way they thought Willow to be previously to the match, they’d bully that person the same way they did Willow.

This isn’t any of them being better. This is all of them behaving the same way they always have. Willow is just moving up in their social hierarchy.

It shouldn’t take being good at some magical sport, or being a talented witch, or whatever the heck, to decide not to bully someone. NOBODY deserves to be bullied. Even the weakest, least sporty witch of the Boiling Isles should be treated with the same amount of respect as any of their classmates. Your value as a person shouldn’t be defined by how good you are at something. You have value no matter what you are and aren’t good at. And that’s something Skara and the others still fail to acknowledge.

Also I think it’s worth noting that even when they were treating Willow better at the end of the episode, they didn’t go out of their way to apologize for how they’d treated her before. They acknowledged her skills and don’t at all comment on how they treated her previously to the match.

If it takes some huge effort from Willow and her friends for the Grudgby girls to treat her with even an ounce of respect, that’s not character development. Character development would be them changing their general behavior. Acknowledging the way they’ve treated others was shitty, apologizing for that and actually working on being better. Is there a possibility this might happen? Sure. But you guys basically pretend WILW is their redemption arc already fully done. You’re giving Skara and the others credit for something that currently haven’t even happened.

And the option of them ditching Boscha (which also currently hasn’t happened) wouldn’t be a redemption arc either, even if it could be part of one.

Cutting toxic people out of your life can help, but Amity’s redemption arc was that, plus her explaining herself to Willow and giving Willow time, and actually acting on her word of not letting her friends pick on her again. Amity making it up to Willow wasn’t that she cut out Boscha and Skara. It was that she not only promised to be better but acted accordingly, standing at Willow’s side when she needed her.

(And Skara not constantly being a dipshit when she’s in the background is not a valid argument for why she’s a better person than Boscha. Boscha is also a harmless character when the episode isn’t focused on her, e.g. in Covention & Sense and Insensitivity. That Skara isn’t actively bullying her friends—which, uh, most people like their friends? This shouldn’t be that surprising?—is not a thing that should earn her any points in being “nicer” than Boscha.)

Do I think it might be a bit easier to get through to Skara than Boscha when it comes to letting go of current behaviors? Possibly.

From the way their characters are written and with how Boscha refuses to acknowledge Willow as equal even after the Grudgby match, it’s fairly obvious that it would need some pretty major event to get through to her. There’s an extra step here with Boscha (needing to learn to acknowledge others as having equal value to herself) that Skara doesn’t need to take.

BUT that one step in what should be a fairly long journey for either of them is far from enough to justify one ship being better than the other.

From the way I’ve seen it written (and unfortunately also experienced it in the comment section of my own fic), a bunch of skarlow shippers like to excuse Skara’s behavior by entirely pinning it on Boscha, pretending she’s actually a great person and that it’s only her friendship with Boscha that makes her toxic—and also that Boscha is the only one that should be held accountable for everyone’s behavior.

I am not exaggerating, I got a comment that essentially said “this shows wonderfully that Amelia and Skara are actually good people that unfortunately met a horrible person that had too much control over them.”

This strips Skara and Amelia of any accountability for their actions. And the idea of Boscha being an evil mastermind that forced all her friends into doing things they never wanted is... quite frankly, stupid, and also untrue. Skara actively encourages Boscha making fun of Willow at the beginning of Understanding Willow:

In the same episode it’s also stated that Amity “let her new friends bully [Willow] for years”, which definitely includes Skara and isn’t just about Boscha.

Skara looks really pleased when Boscha takes Willow’s hair clip at the beginning of WILW, just appears bored and not at all sympathetic when she throws gum at Willow, and grins gleefully when Boscha suggests using the others as target practice later in the episode:

Also, in Once Upon A Swap, Boscha’s entire squad is messing with people all over Bonesborough. Skara is throwing monster balloons at the city when Boscha isn’t even present:

Not only that, but a very large portion of the episode has Skara and the others literally ditch Boscha in favor of an even meaner person (King in Luz’s body).

King states, and I quote, “Hey, impressionable youths! Under my command, you could learn how to do some real damage.” after unleashing a monster on the city. And the entire group cheers him on and decides to follow him.

If Skara was actually so much better than Boscha, why the heck would she run after someone that is worse than her when given the opportunity?

And here comes the thing that a lot of the Skarlow shippers refuse to acknowledge because they for some reason feel the need to have moral superiority over Boschlow shippers: Skara isn’t a nice girl. Skara is a bully. And Skara should be held accountable for her actions in the same way as Boscha. Saying everything she did was just Boscha forcing her is entirely untrue to canon and just a lame excuse to make your ship look better.

Boscha and Skara have both bullied Willow for several years. If you want to ship either of them with her, even if you just want one of them to be friends with her, that needs to be acknowledged and definitely not excused. Even if you treat Skara’s bullying of Willow as something she did only due to Boscha (which, again, is canonically complete nonsense), she’s still hurt Willow to pretty much the same extent as Boscha has.

That a person isn’t as into the bullying as someone else doesn’t make it hurt any less for the victim of the bullying.

No matter if you ship Skarlow or Boschlow, commit to the reality that Skara and Boscha are both Willow’s bullies. Quit pretending Skara is so much better than Boscha, or that she isn’t responsible for her actions.

She is just as responsible for bullying Willow for years as Boscha is.

I’m so sick of hearing how Skara’s bullying is far more redeemable than Boscha’s. It’s not. Stop declaring bullying that doesn’t get physical harmless. As someone who was “only” ever verbally bullied, let me tell you that after four years of not seeing that person I’m still scarred by it. Stop getting your head so stuck in high school movies. Just because not every kind of bullying involves someone getting shoved into a locker doesn’t mean it’s not harmful.

Even worse: the take that people are shipping Skarlow “because they realized shipping Willow with Boscha is inherently toxic”. Tell me again why this “revolutionary” movement deciding that Willow deserves better then turns around and ships her with another one of her bullies?

This isn’t about treating Willow better. You’re just making Boscha seem unreasonably evil for no reason, and treating Skara as her not at all responsible victim, so you can ship Willow with her and don’t have to acknowledge that Willow is a victim of both of their bullying.

This needs to stop. Skara needs to be held just as accountable as Boscha.

If a Skarlow shipper exclusively comes from a perspective of “I think their personalities would mix better”? Sure, whatever, they may or may not, but that’s a valid opinion to have. But don’t start shipping Skarlow because you think you’re being better to Willow than the Boschlow shippers.

This whole thing isn’t a movement to get Willow a better girlfriend, lol

Both of them bullied her. Both ships are bully/victim dynamics. Skarlow does not actually have any moral superiority over Boschlow. As much as you refuse to acknowledge this, these two ships share the same basic dynamic.

Stop pretending shipping Willow with one of her bullies is leagues better than shipping her with another.

[spongeguyandlelouchvibridankia]

Ok, so this is something that has FOR NO GOOD REASON become a controversial subject in the owl house fandom, so I am just gonna say it to all the people who have been so annoyed by this for some reason:

1. Boschlow is NOT an anti-Lumity ship, it LITERALLY started in a Lumity discord.

2. Bowshclow is not being taken seriously. It was made FOR FUN. HENCE THE TITLE OF CRACK SHIP? HOW THE HELL IS THIS SO HARD TO GRASP?

3. Some people, surprise suprise, don’t ship Gus and Willow. That is, last time I checked, not a crime.

4. In a fandom where the most popular ship is literally an enemies to loves between a “bully” and an unpopular girl, and Willow is already mostly shipped with a girl anyway, how the hell is a mean girl falling for a nerd girl so hard to grasp? IT’S LITERALLY THE MOST POPULAR SHIP FORMAT, WHERE IS THE LOGIC?

5. For the last time: IT. IS. FOR. FUN. NO ONE EXPECTS YOU TO SHIP IT, BUT THIS ABSURD NOTION THAT IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE AND SHOULD BE DISREGARDED BY THE SO CALLED “ELITE” OF THE FANDOM IS DRIVING ME NUTS

[animerunner]

Opening up my asks/submissions for prompts/requests of The Owl House and Sailor Moon fics

Technically it was always open. But I guess this is sorta a quasi-announcement.

After ending up writing two fics in response to ideas from @novelist-becca and @fallenflowersfromgrace ideas. So I've picked up ideas from The Owl House tag I decided to just cut the looking through the tag part and open up my box fanfic prompts if anyone wants me to take a whack at an idea.

Link to my Ao3 Dashboard here so you can get an idea of what my writing is like

Guidelines and things to note under the read more:

What am I best in? Generally hurt/comfort, angst, found family, things of that nature, and fluff occasionally. See down below for things I specifically won't do.

Will I take romance prompts? Yes but it should be noted that this is not my strongest area. And I do have some exceptions see down below.

Do I do fics with the beta versions? I'm not going to say no but like romance prompts that's not my strongest area.

What fandoms? Currently just The Owl House.

How quickly do I work? That's depending on a few factors. Some of which I can control. Some of which I can't. If I haven't gotten to you that doesn't mean I'm ignoring you. Trust me. Reasons for delay if I can't contact you range from: school, other projects, medical issues, etc. To just sometimes needing to come up with a good response.

What will I specficially not write? NSFW (I turn twenty shades of red trying to write a kiss, smut is not happening regardless of the fics) Non-con Incest Age gap pairings. Fics that are specifically to bash a character Fics that take place right after YBOS. I've done this twice and that's enough. Boscha centric. I had a bully like her. And anything I write with her will not turn out happy. Golden Guy/Luz. This is probably the only pairing that doesn't meet one of the above that genuinely creeps me out. Pairings with a bully and their victim. Meaning Boschlow and Mathowlmule and Gus. (no Lumity does not count in this rule). Anti Lilith or Camila fics. I can write to where maybe someone has a wrong impression but I will not write it specifically to bash. (except for Belos)

Do I need to be vague or specific? Depends on what you want. I can do both. Though be aware if you go specific that won't necessarily stop me from maybe adding in extra details.

Will I only post to Ao3? Nope I also will post here.

Will I take anon requests? Yes, anon is back on. I am on Discord username stargirl11(#4810)

Am I taking requests right now? Yes. But have patience.

[the-lone-witch-and-secret-room]

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Also linking this post again that unfortunately refused to show up in the tags because I’m incredibly tired of skarlow shippers pinning everything on Boscha and pretending Skara’s bullying is harmless as a shortcut to their ship:

https://the-lone-witch-and-secret-room.tumblr.com/post/650637899079041024/on-boschlow-skarlow-and-imaginary-moral

Gonna make a long post on the whole dynamic on some point to because I see it in so many fandoms and the bullying itself is just... not treated as a serious issue, which I’m incredibly sick of.

If you wanna ship a bully/victim dynamic, the least you have to do is hold the bully accountable, acknowledge how hurt the victim has been, how much it will take for that to heal and for them to even trust the bully on the most basic level.

Don’t make the victim their bully’s therapist, or their shoulder to cry on. It’s not the job of a person that’s been hurt like that to provide that kind of emotional support to someone that’s done nothing but tormenting them.

Also as a fandom can we please stop ignoring how many characters are bullied in the show. And the long term consequences of that?

Because this is ignored a lot for the sake of making jokes and ships. And I’m not trying to bash anyone.

But ignoring it and not acknowledging it and the impact it has on the characters development. It’s not great.