#anti endhawks

[nighttimeebony]

This is gonna get me cancelled....

[awesomestarfighter]

#and like 90% of the fan content sucks because it's just so full of mischaracterization

liking an unpopular character sucks ofc but liking a popular character is its own special kind of hell like Yes there's a million fics and a billion drawings No i cant look at them

[keith-party]

forever obsessed with that performative little song and dance antis do where one of them interacts with content they genuinely enjoy from a "proship" account and then when their weirdly invasive followers alert them of the misstep they have to be all like OMG EW GROSS as if they actually care, lest they be suspected of the unforgivable crime of liking Problematic Art. It's like clockwork.

[the-real-lordrisley]

Nothing pisses me off more than sheith and endhawks being labelled "proships" by some people

Both of these pairings consist of two, unrelated, consenting, adults

[heartbreakercupcake]

with MHA ending I would like to say bakudeku is my most HATED ship in that fandom next to EndHawks they are so fucking boring but aside from that I HATE how they reduce the characters to just their ship and nothing else or that people can't just seem to ship them with other people

[awesomestarfighter]

#fucking mandoclones #anakin actually liking droids in general #obi-wan being incapable of basic self care #the jedi being the bad guys

one thing fandoms love to do is invent something and then get mad at people for not agreeing that it happened

[proxissima]

I can't stand Endhawks. It's simply the blandest and most overrated Endeavor ship in the fandom

[leyleysgrave]

hiii some of my favourite ships are gravescest, endhawks and zebruh x chixie if you like any of those PLEASE INTERACT OHMYGOD

[awesomestarfighter]

#it is sooo exhausting #‘there is no platonic explanation for this!’ #yeah sure when you ignore the context and the buildup of the entire relationship just to say ‘ohoho… peak romance’ i assure you its not #and its not even that romantic interpretations are bad #its just that sometimes they get so wrapped up in it and when they come back out its not even the same guys anymore #babe you killed them with the yaoi beam theres nothing left

fandoms will act like a romantic viewing of a relationship is always the most interesting and complex interpretation. and then proceed to ignore countless layers of nuance and symbolism to make the narrative better fit their ships.

[gojos-nightmare-box]

Nobody:

Me at 3am: en/dhawks is a shit tier ship between an abuser and his 20 year younger child admirer and yall are fking gross for liking kt

[scftizuku]

Anti-Endhawks takes to debunk

"Endeavor is 46, and Hawks is 23; why do you ship them?"

That's all on personal preference, tbh. It's cool if you find the age gap to be uncomfortable. It's important to point out that both characters met when Hawks was a pro-hero (meaning he was already an adult when they first started working together as a duo). Endeavor himself did not know of Hawks when he was younger. If Endeavor knew Hawks as a child and the relationship was formed due to that, then I would also have an issue with the ship itself and understand this saying for argument purposes.

There is already a canon age gap between Gentle and La Brava, and no one talks about how the age gap is bothersome for them, with Gentle being in his early 30s and La Brava in her early 20s. I think from what I've been seeing that people just don't like Endeavor as a character (which is fair if that's the case. You don't have to love his character or anything). Still, it would be good if some antis were honest about using this take as a reason to shun the ship in general.

"Endeavor is still married to Rei; therefore, he is still connected to his family that they had."

Yes, Endeavor is a part of the Todoroki storyline since his perspective alongside Touya and Shoto's is very important for readers to pay attention to. His relationship with Rei Horikoshi has shown that it quickly changed despite their relationship starting out as wholesome and healthy in the early stages. We see very fast that the love that Rei and Endeavor once had turned sour once they began having children, and Endeavor tried to push his goal of having that perfect child with the ideal quirk. Now, whether the two reconcile and come back together is anyone's guess; I'm assuming that Horikoshi won't have Rei and Endeavor get back together, and they will most likely separate due to everything that has happened in their relationship and family in general.

This reasoning, out of all the anti-endhawk ones, is probably the most reasonable if I'm being honest, since the Todorokis are shown still having some connection back to each other. We are still determining how the aftermath of it all will play out.

For story purposes, he is very much connected to Rei since they both are responsible for saving Touya. But it's good to note that when it comes to Endhawk's relationship, they don't display the typical power imbalance that most people would expect from out-of-age gap ships. In fact, when it comes to their overall dynamic, both characters respect each other as equals and have this bickering/bantering dynamic, especially during their early interactions; they both care for one another, as seen in the panels below.

"Hawks would hate Endeavor if he knew his past."

This take has been a common argument circling around the fandom before Dabi broadcasts his reveal to the world. I have to say, I was curious what Hawk's thoughts would have been if he found out Endeavor's past, but after he explained that despite the wrongs Endeavor has done in his life, he still would support him and do his best to help him out whenever he needed him. To me, it showed how much he trusted him; he views Endeavor as the person who is trying to atone for everything he has done to those around him rather than the person he once was; and this trust that the two of them have extends into the final arc as well.

If there are other takes I should probably tackle; I'll make a separate thread for those. But I am also working on a Bakudeku version of this as well (so look forward to that one 😊❤️)

[justheretoposttrash]

day 11 of endhawks returns: electric boogaloo:

from hawks being a groomed spy who, if not well-versed in murder, is at least well-prepared for it, to endeavor's abusiveness and creation of quirk babies, these characters could have had straightforward downfalls to serve showing the dark side to hero society. hell knows that a bajillion super hero stories have supposed "good guys" in the public eye who actually uphold corrupt systems or have self-serving agendas, and these types of characters often serve as anti-examples---people not meant to be identified with and for whom the audience is usually meant to feel some schadenfreude when they fail. of course, mha doesn't do this, instead telling the story of what it takes for someone who made a wrong decision at one turn, or even someone who's been on the wrong path for nearly all of their life, to walk it all the way back. a different story might have dwelled on "bad heroes", or "phony" heroes---and mha skims this idea, but mostly turns it around in the cases of hawks and endeavor. it implies that, perhaps ironically, these characters' efforts to address the harms they've inflicted---to undo the most unheroic aspects about them---constitute the most heroic act they could take on.

"but how does hawks address killing twice?" unfortunately mha is equal parts an unwieldy story as it is an intentional one, and for every heart-on-its-sleeve piece of closure it gives, there's a loose end that it doesn't tie up outright. a lot of this allows for ambiguity and invites fans to speculate and fill in the gaps, and i'm under the impression that is intentional, though it leaves some things to be desired. long story short, hawks's thought process on killing jin is a whole roller coaster of a mess (too lazy to summarize so here's the evidence:)

week-to-week time crunch pressure, the way that being a mangaka erodes the mind and body, genuine lapses of judgment, etc. aside (again, all doylist factors), in-universe i enjoy the exercise of connecting the scattered dots of what's already there in canon (and inevitably, all roads lead to endhawks), so let's get into it! when enji urges himself to go back to his origin, he confronts the weakness and the monster within, but also his *why*---why he did what he did, why he's going to do what he's going to do. when hawks confronts his origin, he also confronts his why:

there's a throughline in this scene (besides the obviously stated one) between killing jin and standing by endeavor despite the truth of what kind of man he was. hawks wanted to save twice, but utterly failed---in fact, did the opposite of what that little kid holding the endeavor plushie would have chosen to do. his regret and remarks of how jin was a good guy are not narratively enough imo, and that this doesn't get much further development is uncharacteristic and a bit of a shame---but i would argue that, in the very least, his decision to double down on hero work, helping izuku, and standing by endeavor are actually indirect ways of addressing twice's death. endeavor is the one who made hawks want to save people, and staying by his side is almost a reclamation of that fact. he doomed jin rather than saved him, but at least he can save others. (flavor-wise, it understandably might feel sour to some fans that hawks's thought process here doesn't dwell on the villains he spent time amongst, particularly the fact that the LOV were the friends at the core of twice's heart and are what drove him to act. i also 100% agree with those hoping hawks would have saved toga to bring the twice/saving people/redemption thing full circle, and i do think that would have created the far better story.) there isn't nearly as much as a lot of us would like to work with in-story, but at the same time, the stuff that is there is still nuanced and fun to analyze (and gay, as usual, somehow).

circling it back to fallen heroes (geez, remember when that was the topic of this post? neither do i, apparently!), a ton of other superhero stories also tend to have the morally gray "bad hero" character clash with the pure-hearted protagonist, usually to be persuaded back to the side of good or to be soundly defeated. this is what happens in-story between nagant and deku, for instance. but interestingly, while hawks and endeavor do interact with deku significantly, they don't gain their motivation from him. instead, they largely seem to turn to each other, though a lot of that is left unstated/up to interpretation. and though the support they receive from the other most important figures in their lives--tokoyami and the todofam--are what end up defining the very end of the war, they are far less comfortable getting help from people who aren't each other. being the maladaptive loners they are, both hawks and endeavor have to be pursued into receiving this support, and try to push these other people away (not without good reason, to be fair), even giving similar reactions of dismay (and receiving similar reprimands):

(they never have this issue with each other, though. for some reason. 🤔)

so in short, in a story that redefines herodom over and over again through every character---such as following your passions á la hatsume, or finding your confidence like yaoyorozu---it also redefines herodom through the very characters who have, at one time or another, failed to achieve it. and said characters, turning to each other implicitly or explicitly, help each other find what it means to be a hero again.

[awesomestarfighter]

#it's an incredible disservice to the characters because the Fandom Popular Pairings typically are not canon! at all! #so of course there's more to the characters than this hypothetical relationship

It’s not that I don’t LIKE the Fandom Popular Pairings, it’s that I find the assumption that everyone ships them and the general all-consuming nature of said pairings to be kinda exhausting,

[kaibaswifey-old]

Hello here's what i think some of the boys from south park would ship in bnha don't question me

Kyle: bkdk AND izuocha, kenny: ofc he's an izuocha- also mt lady/kamui woods (bc it's hot but also bc he has genuine Feelings about this ship), craig: bkdk, "bakusquad" ships, stan: pretends he doesn't ship, but rly he's ashamed bc all his ships are hetero (something something "heterophobes") cartman: fuckin dekushig or smthn maybe also endhawks anyway he's a bkdk anti for sure

[latuuart]

Everytime I see an e*dhawks shipper hating on Rei and calls her an abusive piece of shìt while babying endv and praising him for the bare minimum and talking about how they would never able to forgive her for "ignoring" Touya (what story did you read?) but preaching that enji cared about Touya in the same breath will be my villain origin story.

[awesomestarfighter]

#honestly hawks is one of the most shipped characters i’ve ever been a fan of to the point that it’s actively difficult to find gen content #which is the norm for many fandoms but w hawks it’s INSANE #it’s like ppl assume that if ur a hawks fan ur either in the dabihwks/endhwks/self ship camp and i’m like NO NONE OF THOSE 😭 pls #so i’m a lil bit romance repulsed... what of it... mind ur business....

i know it’s a little dumb but i’ve mentioned before that i don’t like shipping hawks (or anyone really but hawks especially) so i’d appreciate not being sent asks/receiving comments on my posts about shipping ^^ i know it’s a weird request i can’t expect everyone to fulfil so don’t worry about it too much! but yeah if it could be kept in mind i would be v grateful <3