#and this is not hate towards anyone who does ship it or either character!!!

[celtrist]

This was the piece that I had started before my extensive vacation (of coughing). Once again, Alastor is consistently the bane of my existence with his... well everything.

No matter! Anyway, this is something I like to call the Obsession AU. To sum it up real fast: Everyone is yandere for Alastor. I think it would just be apart of his punishment in Hell, being consistently forced into or desired in romantic/sex which he's never had much interest in. I would describe it as a dark comedy thing, but it can be as comedic or as dark as you want here. With that said, please be on guard with any mentions of darker content that treds towards a certain dead bird territory when I get a bit into how I imagine some of the characters. Again, it doesn't have to go that far if you're interested in this premise of an au and wanna focus on the more light hearted stuff, feel free.

This au is just poking a bit of fun at how everyone in the fandom wants to put Alastor in romantic situations constantly (whether it be with themselves or the other characters) despite Alastor probably being the least interested in the subject in the whole show. This is by no means a hate train or making fun of people who do enjoy shipping Alastor, it just more of a funny thing I think comes off as pretty ironic for his character and hopefully, others can enjoy that too. In this au he leans pretty much on the clear-cut side of aromantic and asexual with no interest in romantic affections at all. With that said, if you want to explore Alastor genuinely being interested in one of the other characters romantically or something similar, feel free to explore that! I can see some interesting dichotomies there. It's just within the actual "canon" of this au, he's not at all interested with that sort of thing. And just with a last final reminder to get into some character things I have in mind, some of the content mentioned does get pretty dark, particularly with Valentino but I don't think anyone's surprised there. But there might be some triggering content of the following mentioned here with characters but no crazy details really: Manipulation/Gaslighting, forced feminization, Non-con, Munchausen syndrome, Poisoning, Possessive, Drugging, Love bombing And I will be sure to give a quick warning to each character it might apply to, please feel free to let me know if I missed anything!

Rosie (Munchausen syndrome, Poisoning): Rosie has 100% poisoned Alastor before to make sure he relies on her. They started off as good friends but at some point Alastor began getting ill and Rosie offered to take care of him. This leads to Alastor staying in bed for full days, only really seeing Rosie who took care of his every need from food, clothing, washing, and so on. At some point, Alastor caught on that Rosie was putting something in his food to make him sick and he managed to escape with their friendship tarnished much to his dismay. He's often uneasy around Rosie but is upfront about his knowledge of Rosie's deeds. Rosie, in turn, acts like it is a lighthearted situation and often offers Alastor over for lunch, which he often denies. Any food he gets at his doorstep from a secret admirer or a lunchbox he finds at his seat in an overlord meeting goes straight into the trash. Alastor will still use Rosie's assets to his benefit of course, but is always careful as to what she might try to get in exchange. He has had more awkward lunches with her with his homemade meal versus the buffet she catered for the occasion, with the two gossiping like old times. Alastor is still uneasy during these times, but he also revels in the false pleasantries due to not having many others he's able to associate himself with due to the curse.

Lucifer (Controlling, Possessive, Manipulation): So I'm not 100% clear how I wanted to approach Lucifer. He and Charlie are probably the most similar I suppose? He wants Alastor as his queen (either alongside him and Lilith or only with him, he doesn't mind either way). He doesn't force him into dresses or anything, but Lucifer does consistently make doting moves and talks about how Alastor would make a good father to their children. Marriage is one of the mind and Lucifer probably gets a bit possessive with him. He also tries to guilt trip Alastor a lot, or manipulate situations in one of their arguments to get Alastor to say something he doesn't mean.

Charlie (Controlling, Possessive): Probably the most tame of everyone quite honestly. Charlie can be a bit controlling but does step off when Alastor expresses his dislike of her doing so, even if it takes a couple times. She likes doing things for him, is super affectionate, and daydreams about her, Vaggie, and Alastor all getting married. She can get pretty possessive with him, not being pleased when anybody does anything against Alastor's will or hurt him. The only exception to this rule is Vaggie, to which Charlie sees it like two cats getting along and finds it very endearing.

Vaggie (Forced Feminization, Controlling, Murder): Depending on how you look at it, Vaggie's one of the more fucked up obsessions or one of the more funnier ones. Because she's automatically inclined to like Alastor quite a bit with the curse thing but her personality doesn't jive with his for her own taste (in terms of their first meeting), she both hates and loves the guy. She's obsessed with trying to murder Alastor with traps around the hotel or outright standing over him with her spear. The hatred comes primarily from not wanting to feel the way she does about him, I guess like a fucked up tsundere if you wanna go that route. At the same token, however, she does want Alastor to be involved with both her and Charlie romantically. There's just one little problem: Vaggie has about the same amount of interest in men as she does in canon. So to sort of "fix" Alastor, she consistently tries to force him to be more feminine in clothing, offering different feminine names, and even trying to force him to get a sex change. Alastor is pretty slippery though, so it never quite works out in Vaggie's favor aside from the occasional dress or skirt being worn, which solidifies her attraction to him. Then he takes it off and looks more like a man again, and it solidifies her frustration/hatred for him.

Angel Dust (Drugging): To start, while I think Angel would love to have sex with Alastor, he 100% would not force it. Wouldn't even do touches or anything. Potentially he could just like as a coping (to be in a situation where HE'S the one in control), but that is a darker route that I don't think will be exactly true for this AU. However, he very much enjoys drugging Alastor similar to Rosie. Not only just as a bonding thing since Angel would also do the drugs WITH him, but just to get the not-quite-lucid compliments from Alastor and maybe a snuggle then and there. He wants to dote on Alastor with him drugged out in his bed saying nice things to Angel. Admittedly this one's a bit of a workshop as I just knew I didn't want Angel to be focused on sex like somebody, but wasn't sure what to do here.

Valentino(Non-con, LoveBombing): I mean... it is Valentino, what did you THINK he'd be trying to do with Alastor? There's really not much to say here, Valentino essentially tries pulling all the stops trying to get Alastor in bed while also love-bombing the hell out of him. Which really doesn't work. Valentino is pretty open with sharing Alastor, but again, does this surprise anyone? As long as he's participating in some way, he really doesn't mind.

Vox (ALL warnings): Pretty much the worst version of himself that people make him be sometimes for those darker stories in the fandom. While more interested in having an enthusiastic partner, I don't think Vox would be opposed to forcing himself onto Alastor. He consistently tries to manipulate and gaslight, while enjoying both the suffering and pleasure of Alastor. Much like Vaggie, Vox is obsessed both being in love with Alastor while also downright hating him to the core. He's possessive and likes the idea of being both sweet and heinous with Alastor. He pretty much is every other character wrapped up in one fucked up TV man. Vox acts the most well-adjusted of the characters here, but he's probably got the obsession the worst.

And of course, pretty much every other conceivable ship is up for grabs here. I did think about maybe unfallen angels are able to resist the obsession curse, which would possibly make a funny team-up of Alastor, Adam, Lute, and Emily. Alternatively, I thought maybe the other canonically asexual characters in the show wouldn't be affected instead, meaning another oddball team-up of Alastor, Octavia, and Mammon. Then there is of course the "nope, there's no escape for deer man". Not sure yet, maybe I'll workshop it. I have more normal things in the works rather than this messed up little au, but darker content is a guilty pleasure of mine.

[juststandingthere]

ISTG this game is making me insane, brainrot strong enough for me to make my first analysis post

One thing i love about the narrative is how distorted the characters, relationships and events are from jimmy's pov. Most posts discussing this focus on Anya, and it makes sense bc she's probably the biggest victim of this. She's seen as less than a person, she's an incompetent nurse, she has a meek personality, she'll let anyone(jimmy) step over her and she still follows his orders, despite everything he has done to her. We obviously see, from curly's pov, that she's simply too terrified of her abuser to act any other way, and when she's not with him she's way more confident and competent.

I haven't seen as many people talking about how this "distortion" affects Swansea and Daisuke as well, including the relationship they have with each other.

We see, in the first Curly section, that Swansea is a great mentor to Daisuke (one might even say they have a father-son/uncle-nephew relationship). He takes his time to teach him not just the basics, but also how to do his job as safely as possible. He lets him take notes, he himself writes stuff down for him to remember and even lets him doodle on those notes! Sure he is harsh with him, but he clearly cares about him and wants him to be safe.

And in return Daisuke looks up to him and has great respect for him, as both a mechanic and a man, while he also makes some jokingly offensive comments towards the older man, showing the close bond they have formed.

But that's not what we see when we play as Jimmy.

In his pov we don't see them interacting much, when they do we either see Swansea insulting Daisuke for no apparent reason or, in one occasion, we see him leading the kid down a "bad path" wanting to teach him how to "drink like a man".

When they aren't interacting tho, we do see hints of their actual relationship: Swansea asking where the kid is when he is "partying" in the lounge, confirming that he does not, in fact, hate spending time with him; him looking desperately for something, *anything*, that could help Daisuke with his suffering after he's injured; how whenever Jimmy tries to bring up to Daisuke how "badly" Swansea treats him, or how he "lied" to them about the utility room, Daisuke immediately shuts him down, because he knows what he's saying is completely wrong (i'm pretty sure those are the only times he doubts something Jimmy says), showing once again the trust and respect he has for his mentor.

(this part is kinda speculative but i think it makes sense)

There are two other times where we see them interacting, where we actually see how much Swansea cares for the kid, and coincidentally, neither of them is seen through Jimmy's eyes, but from a third person pov: what Swansea says right before they knock him out with the drink, about how he resents the people that let Daisuke, someone with his whole life ahead of him, with so much optimism and joy, board the ship for a job that would inevitably leave him "mangled" and "smarter in a worse way" (i could make a whole other essay on this part but i won't), and what he says right before mercy killing him. In that scene specifically, as the camera pans out in the corridor as Swansea raises his axe, ready to take the final swing, Jimmy doesn't see the hesitation in his body language, the way his body tenses, the way he comforts the kid, telling him to close his eyes, the heavy breaths (crying?maybe?) right after the act. He only sees the older man as a monster that would take away an innocent life that jimmy would have been able to fix had he been given the time to fucking think.

Hell, now that i think about it, Swansea's final monologue, where we find out that he is in fact a good man who tried his best to better himself, who simply wanted to protect the kid and give him "a chance off this goddamn rock"(implying that the Cryopod was meant for Daisuke all along) is also shown in third person!

A few other things i found interesting:

1-The missing pieces between what happened to Daisuke in the vent and when Swansea started attacking Jimmy. There's a cut from when Daisuke screams to when he's laying on (Swansea's) bed, bloody and in pain; from when Jimmy uses the mouthwash to disinfect him (which only causes him to suffer more) and two hours later; from after the talk the two men have and the moment Jimmy decides to go find the gun, the axe gone from Daisuke's face. What happened in those missing scenes? Was Swansea the one who helped the kid onto his bed, trying to make him as comfortable as possible? Did he try to comfort him, to distract him, and ease his pain as well as he could? What was his reaction when he had to take back the axe off the face of the young man he had started seeing as his own kid, whose life he had hoped he could save but that he ultimately had to take with his own hands?

I personally think those parts are blocked out of Jimmy's mind, as he couldn't fit them in his own narrative, where he was the hero, Swansea the villain and Daisuke the innocent, young man whose life he tried his best to protect from this "monster" that was now going to come after him.

2-Swansea attacking Jimmy with the axe, especially the cemetery scene, and how it can be interpreted in different ways.

We, the viewers, knowing everything that happened, will see it as a desperate man, Swansea, trying to avenge the lives that had been lost on that ship because of Jimmy (wether directly or not), with Daisuke's death being the last straw. But i don't think that's how Jimmy saw it. He saw swansea as a crazed, mad man, a ruthless killer, coming for him after taking an innocent life, Daisuke's photo and mausoleum as a reminder for Jimmy of what the older man had done, and a justification for what he was about to do.

(not to talk about the implication that the fight against swansea was not as intense as we saw it, only confirming the idea that jimmy was looking for a justification for shooting him)

[acourtofthought]

I woke up this morning to more hate anons and a few reassuring messages (thank you so much for those ❤️) but I'm not going to be responding to any more about this topic.

I have two younger children with a lot of energy, a needy energetic dog who is always stealing stuff and making you chase him, I'm taking one of my best friends out to brunch this morning to celebrate her birthday and I currently feel like shit because I could not sleep last night. My body was humming with anxiety and I woke up in a panic every hour after finally falling asleep after two hours of listening to sleep meditation videos. Rinse and repeat from 11 pm to 7 am.

Yes, to those who continue throwing this in my face, I do defend Elain's character on some anti takes who constantly use the Elucien and Elain tags. When doing so, you are forcing Elain stans to witness your hatred of her, you are filling their feed with negativity and you should then not be surprised if people decide to comment. But you're also kidding yourself if you think I am constantly bombarding others because responding to the Anti Elain takes would tie up Eluciens for the entirety of their day. Clearly, you have absolutely no room to talk when you couldn't even handle someone having a headcanon that put Elain's story before Gwyn's on the timeline all while only using Elain, Lucien, and Elucien tags. It wasn't even Gwyn slander, it was literally "I know Gwyn is going to be an important part of the IC / Nyx someday as Az's mate but I'd really like to see Elain interacting with them from her POV first". Apparently, THAT was the cause for the downfall of the Elucien / Gwynriel friendship. Apparently THAT was the reason for the discord between us. It couldn't possibly have been all the hate some Gwynriels have for Elain or the statements that "Az's book is definitely next and Eluciens are just going to have to accept it" or "Gwyn will get a Pegasus from Helion first." or "We'll learn about Az and Gwyn's heritage before Lucien discovers his". If you're allowed to have those headcanons then why can't we have ours? And if the only way for Eluciens and Gwynriels to be friends is for us to put Az and Gwyn first at all times, to not try to point out why Elucien might be set up more than Gwynriel (just like you do for Gwynriel over Elucien / Elriel) while acknowledging that we could still be wrong then I guess we can't be friends. Disagreeing is not a crime. Putting our OTP first is not a crime. Saying "I think our pairing is ready first" is not a crime, especially when most of it is in response to the takes we're regularly forced to bear witness to. It's not antagonistic either. You know what is antagonistic? Saying "Az's book is definitely next and Eluciens are just going to have to wait longer". Saying "anyone who thinks Elain's book is next is delusional". Saying, "Elain is so boring and underdeveloped and that's our right to think so but you're a bad friend if you have anything negative to say about Az or Gwyn's character." "Elain is boring but Gwyn does not need more development, they're so wrong for saying that". Saying "we can have our headcanons but if you have yours then you're creating discord." Saying "Elucien's should be happy if Gwynriel is next because they still win, it still confirms their ship". Sending hate anons, gaslighting and spreading lies is the exact same bully behavior you claim to hate about E/riels yet some are turning around and doing it to "mutuals".

I'm an Elucien blog first and foremost. I love both Elain and Lucien. I see the potential of Gwynriel but am allowed to be a little salty at Az for the way he acts towards Lucien. I am allowed to want to see more for Gwyn's character outside of just being Nesta's best friend before feeling like I truly know all her layers. Saying that does not mean I hate her or am slandering her. Elain has been around since book 1, Gwyn was only around for SF, it is not abnormal for someone to feel more drawn to a character who they've been reading about for multiple books. I have many mutuals who comment under my posts and say "I see things differently" and we have healthy exchanges even with a difference of opinions, clearly I don't need every single person to agree with me. If you can't handle that and instead need to resort to telling lies about my posts and sending hate anons than you are the problem, you are the bully.

Wanting to claim Elucien's as friends just so you feel you have a bigger army against elriels while shitting on Elain then expecting us to show nothing but respect for your favorites? That's not a friendship we need.

[kg-day]

I’ve seen some solid takes from you on Katara and Aang’s relationship so I have to ask…what do you think the problem is? Why do we have constant mischaracterization and atrocious on these two and not even just from Zutara shippers but in general. I genuinely don’t get it, I feel like what we saw was a great development love story between two best friends, it wasn’t perfect and there are things that should be changed, mainly EIP. But overall it was good, I’ve never understood that idea that Katara never reciprocated Aang’s feelings and that it was just a one sided dynamic when that’s not what was shown to me. Will we ever be free from this bs???😭 the most outlandish takes just go against their relationship.

Honestly, I feel like there are a variety of reasons as to why Kataang is continuously misunderstood/analyzed. The most obvious one, and the one from which most other things stem, is that people just don't like the idea of Aang as the love interest. To them, he isn't what a typical male love interest looks like, so they can't imagine why Katara would ever want to be with him when someone who looks like Zuko exists. This isn't just about people who ship zk, either. There are plenty of people who saw that Katara had a crush on Jet and then just decided that was her type, and that she could never fall for Aang because of that. I honestly think it's hilarious, too, how people will bend over backward to explain why they ship Katara with people who aren't Aang—and yes, it is mainly zk fans that I have experienced doing this—but will then just attribute a bunch of stuff that is canon to Kataang to the other ship. Just say you don't think Aang is attractive and leave.

As an extension of that, since people cannot fathom Katara liking Aang romantically, they willfully ignore the signs that Katara is interested in him the way he is in her. They rewrite it as her being motherly towards him, despite clear evidence in the show that Katara treats Aang differently than she treats anyone else. Yes, she supports him emotionally, but he does that for her, too. People just choose to ignore what he does for her or take his actions out of context in order to justify the idea that they have a one-sided relationship where Katara takes on all the emotional labor and Aang is nothing more than a child who pines after Katara and forces her to take care of him.

There is also just a lot of warping of who Aang and Katara are as individual characters. Yes, Aang is a goofy little kid, but he is also a wise and experienced bender, and he has shown time and time again that he has the emotional maturity to handle being THE AVATAR at just 12 years old. Yes, Katara is motherly, but she is also just a kid who likes to have fun and laugh, and she HATES that people don't see her that way. These people don't truly understand the characters in the show, and instead, they self-insert. So, rather than looking at Katara's actions through the lens of who she is as a character and what she wants, they think about what they would want, and that doesn't align with the canon. Something that, for me, further proves the first point I made that also ties into this one is how when Katara shows kindness and empathy to Zuko, it is immediately perceived as being romantic despite it being very in-character for Katara to do, but when she treats Aang the same way, she's being motherly. They like the way Katara and Zuko look together more, so when the 2 of them interact, it's chemistry. But when Katara cups Aang's face lovingly, kisses him on the cheek, or hugs him, it's "mother-son" because it's not visually appealing to them.

That ties into one of my last points—and I have an entire post on this already that you probably read—which is that people are expecting Kataang to have out-of-this-world, mind-blowing chemistry when they are just children. Their relationship is soft and sweet, and more importantly, their friendship is the basis for their romance. Of course, their relationship feels more like a friendship for a majority of the show; THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS. That has always been their core. The progression is supposed to be us watching as these 2 children find each other and recognize parts of themselves in the other in a way that no one else can and develop a friendship that later blossoms into love, at least what love can be for a 12 and 14-year-old.

My final point is that AtLA isn't a show about romance to being with, so, while there is romance interspersed throughout the show, it is a subplot. They don't want to spend as much time building a romance as they do the main story, which makes sense. I will say that I personally still think that they did a good job of building the romance, and that season 3B is really the only place where I feel things could have been better written. However, I think it's just willful ignorance to say that Katara and Aang not interacting a significant amount in the last episodes means that their relationship was "rushed" or "forced". There is still a whole 2.5 seasons worth of build-up at that point, and it's pretty obvious from episode 1 that Katara and Aang have a special connection.

As for the kiss in EIP, it was definitely meant to show the "will they/won't they" nature of Kataang's relationship and to cause drama/tension for the fans. I don't think it was necessary, and it could 100% be taken out, but even with it still in the show, I don't think it's something that breaks Kataang as a ship. It was not okay that Aang kissed her when she said she was confused, but she calls him out, and he recognizes that he messed up. It's not brushed over and just ignored in the moment. He is also 12 and prone to making mistakes, and while it is a big one, I do not think it deserves the vitriol that certain portions of the fandom treat it with. Once again, it is actively addressed in the narrative that he was wrong to do that (he also course corrects later in the comics). Do I wish they could have had just even 1 more one-on-one interaction before the final kiss on the balcony? Sure, but I am also able to understand that a significant portion of time has passed between the 2 scenes and I can suspend my disbelief enough to think that they talked it out or that it was at least something apologized for and forgiven.

This is a lot longer than I expected it to be, but what I really think it boils down to is a.) lack of media literacy and b.) people being upset that what they wanted didn't happen, and rather than recognizing that they are allowed to have an opinion that differs from canon, they will do anything they can to rewrite it so that they can feel vindicated in choosing the ship that they chose. They need it to be canon rather than allowing it to remain headcanon. There has also been a lot of misinformation spread about who the endgame ships were originally intended to be, and that truly set us back as a fandom because people still believe those things to this day, even after it has all been disproven multiple times.

[microknifeyuri]

i find it genuinely sad that people only talk about misogyny on the ii fandom when it comes to defending taco but no one goes over the way people treats most of the female characters which is like ACTUALLY misogynistic and the actual issue. i went over taco's thing a lot of times already but i'll also cover it here. like lets see how people treat women on ii briefly.

like have you seen how people treat suitcase. how she's often treated as a kid/constantly forgotten as a person outside of using her as a weapon to villainize a guy that does want to fix things with her. have you seen how little care people put on her. have you seen how they only remember that she exists for suitloon or barely even have anything to comment on her

have you seen people talking about candle outside of her being hot or outside of silvercandle? have you seen how people LITERALLY villainized her because she wanted to take care of herself? have you seen anyone say anything about her on a deep way? have you ever seen people focus on the way working with silver affected her outside of "silver doesn't deserve her"?

have you seen how GENUINELY HORRID people were about cabby winning s3? how they still SOMEHOW made it about silver? how people were incredibly ableist towards her? how they still kept going on how cabby wasn't an actual good person? on how she didn't deserve the win?

have you seen how mic, the character that genuinely has the best writting in the whole show, only gets talked about to completely miss the point of her arc AND ONLY for shipping, completely disregarding her growth as a person? completely forgetting that her story is one of growth and healing?

have you seen how people sexualized test tube to the point where she's only seen as a hot scientist or as a weird gal who's a freak instead of focusing on the fact that she's someone who heavily struggles with mental health and making connections? like people simped a lotttttt for her when she was having a whole breakdown because she was going to lose her friend, and no one really focused fully on those aspects of test tube's character.

have you seen the overall way people treat lightbulb? she's just a shell of her character for the fandom. she's genuinely so so deep and interesting but she got fully downgraded to just nonsense on fanon takes.

have you seen how people treat taco? have you seen someone even focus on her as a character outside of her being a "hot villain"? have you seen anyone actually get what she's going through? have you seen anyone wanting her to get better but also not forgetting what she has done? have you seen anyone actually understand why she can't get a redemption arc on the traditional sense? have you seen anyone not immediately go to defend her when taco herself does not want to be excused, nor does she think she should be? have you seen anyone getting that she's a complex character and that they can still enjoy her without having to excuse her actions? have you seen anyone ACTUALLY getting why taco needs to let go of ii and not make up with the people she hurted? have you seen anyone treating taco on a reasonable way? have you seen anyone treating her as fully capable of doing bad things but also capable of getting better if she really does try? have you seen SOMEONE that actually CARES about taco outside of her being attractive?

my point is. the ii fandom is rooted in misogyny, yes. but it is not because of people preferring other characters or what not. sure there MIGHT be some cases in which that's the thing, but most of times it isn't. the fandom is genuinely overall horrid about women and don't actually focus on them outside of being hot either. like i have once seen someone who genuinely hated candle but simped for her because her violence was hot in ep 17 and like. that's Not Really Good.

and most of the fem characters that aren't deemed hot or don't have anything to hate them for get often ignored (ex. pepper, soap, clover, etc). also don't get me started on how MOST OF THE TIMES THEY JUST HAVE TO give women a familiar relationship with a male character to which they happen to have a positive relationship with on hcs (ex. Candle and Yinyang being hced as mother/sons, Cabby and Yinyang is the same case) which uh. you know. it doesn't really sit right with me

you can think a woman character is hot/attractive and also care about her. you can like a fucked up woman as well while also not justifying her actions, it won't make you a bad person. like personally i really really love microphone and find her attractive but at the same time i genuinely care about her story and how much she's a story about growth and finding yourself, alongside with other people. a lot of the stories of the women charas are ultimately about growth and finding themselves on ii. and i think all of you should be focusing on the depth of a character instead on whether a character is hot or not therefore we can define if they deserve to be treated with decency, like that's ever done anything positive anyway

!! THIS POST IS NOT LOOKING TO CAUSE TACO RELATED DISCOURSE. KEEP THAT SHIT TO YOURSELF. THIS POST WAS MADE AS A FORM OF CRITICISM ON HOW LITTLE PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT FEM CHARACTERS ON II WHILE ACCUSING OTHERS OF MISOGYNY SO DELIBERATELY. IF YOU GET OUT OF TOPIC I'LL BITE YOUR HEAD OFF (NOT A SERIOUS THREAT BUT BY GOD BE DECENT) !!

[sapphiresaphics]

I remember when The Owl House came out and there was INTENSE shipping of Amity and Luz. There were no other male characters Luz’s age, so the queer ship set sail. Then it was revealed Amity does in fact like Luz and the shipping exploded! By the end of season 1, Lumity was the most popular ship by far in the Owl House fandom.

But then Hunter was introduced in season 2. And the SECOND Luz and Hunter shared screen time together, suddenly there was intense hate and backlash to Amity even existing. Even when Amity kissed Luz and basically solidified them as the endgame couple of the show, there was INTENSE Lunter fanart and posting.

People’s reasoning was that Luz is bi and therefore she can like Hunter just as much as Amity. But it sure as heck didn’t feel like that at the time. As a lesbian in the fandom it felt more like people were trying to use Luz’s bi sexuality to straight wash the ships. And it felt very insidious since this was the first openly queer relationship Disney was allowing on the air. We finally got a queer wlw ship and people were trying to downplay it and take it over, using Luz’s sexuality as an excuse.

It felt targeted.

And it got BAD.

Every time Amity and Luz shared a cute moment together, someone would do re-draws of the scenes but swap out Amity for Hunter. And they’d deliberately tag the Lumity hashtag to force their ship into places it didn’t belong. For the longest time the Lunter hashtag was incredibly toxic and hateful towards anyone who called them out for this wlw erasure.

As the show progressed it became clear Hunter had a crush on Willow. And overnight the Lunter hashtag swapped to being Wintlow instead. They continued to do the same tactics as before, such as redrawing scenes of Lumity as Wintlow instead, but it thankfully stopped encroaching on the Lumity fanbase.

Still, to this day, if you search the Owl House hashtag you will find a disproportionate amount of Hunter X Willow artwork and fanfics.

I think of this whenever I see Jayvik fanart in the Arcane hashtag.

The number of people who are openly dismissive of Caitlyn and Vi and Mel being in relationships is staggering. Saying “whatever Jayce and Viktor had going on is gayer than Caitlyn and Vi!” is just as insidious as what the Lunter fandom was doing to Lumity.

We FINALLY got canon lesbian couples (not even bi, but full blown openly lesbian couples) in Arcane and all the fandom can talk about is Jayce and Viktor. A non-canon gay ship that dismisses Mel entirely and pretends like she never existed while denigrating Violyn because “Caitlyn is a cop and ACAB!”

I’m just so tired of this all. This dismissal of my sexuality and representation by the fandom hurts so much. And it seems to keep happening in every fandom that has a wlw ship.

I’m sure a lot of people aren’t even really aware they’re doing it either. Or they don’t feel like it’s a big deal. But after spending so much of my life YEARNING for canon wlw couples in animated shows, it’s disheartening to say the least how underrepresented we are.

[theheirofthesharingan]

As someone who never really was the type of shipping but does kinda like idea of Sasusaku, I always felt that the reason at the end why Sasuke married Sakura and had Sarada was out of deep genuine guilt for all he put her through and I do think that Sasuke loves her, just not as deeply as Sakura loves him and honestly not romantically either.

Even as a kid I always got the strong vibe that Sasuke is aroace or at the very least aromantic, with him having no romantic feelings for anyone, he’s never really fit the type. Sasuke loves, even if it’s silent, we all know he loves Itachi, Naruto and Sakura, but loves more platonically

Nor I guess that’s just the vibe I got. If that makes any sense. I wish that Sasuke was a better father though, as I do love Sarada and I just know Itachi would’ve adored her as deeply as he loves Sasuke.

I really don't think Sasuke wronged Sakura, of all the people, in any way. I mean, he did hurt her, but whatever she went through because of him was her own doing. If he didn't feel anything for her, he didn't. And he wasn't obliged to love her back.

If their genders were reversed, and Sasuke kept chasing after Sakura, he'd get a lot more hate than she does, and most of the people wouldn't find it endearing. Because no means no.

But I agree that he married Sakura out of guilt. Not because he wronged her to the extent he had to repent by marrying her, but because there came a time when he reached the point he thought everything he did and believed was wrong. And he could only make up for that by accepting Konoha and marrying Sakura.

I also don't think Sakura loves him either. She was a fangirl who was smitten by his good looks. But again, usually, my criticism towards Sakura is always tinted with criticism towards Kishimoto as well, because he wrote her in a certain way which took away some of the genuine positive aspects of her character.

Though, as far as her feelings were concerned, given the canonical evidence, they were shallow and every time she concerned herself with him, it was for her own sake, rather than his.

I do agree that Sasuke loves people platonically. And he loves them a lot.

I think Sasuke being a bad father has to do with him being unable to fix himself. Boruto doesn't seem to acknowledge he's broken and his trauma just wouldn't go away just because he battled against and lost to Naruto. It was so deep-rooted that it would take a lifetime to heal. Maybe even that wouldn't be enough. So, while he himself had had so much to deal, the story has him have a daughter he must take care of.

From the narrative point of view, I'm not entirely sure, it seems it's done to add some drama and angst in Sarada's story. But from a different perspective, Sasuke still hasn't healed and he finds relationships outside of Itachi to be painful. Because he never got to live that life himself. The child in him that yearned to be with his brother never really healed. And apart from all that, it's Konoha. The place that stole everything from him. He's tied to it and feels separated from it because of Itachi.

He doesn't have anything else to cling to. Sarada, Sakura, they are his family, and he might love them in his own way, because he has experienced many things, but he still has so much to heal, because he never got the things he would have wanted otherwise.

That's been my explanation and understanding for why he's a bad father. I think he couldn't be a good father even if we were being honest. He loved Itachi way too much and lost him again and again in different ways. In the end, with his defeat, he gave up on his destructive methods to do things. But it's been eating him up from inside.

He never experienced that paternal love. Lost it too soon. And he's expected to give it and express it when he doesn't have it in the first place.

Most of it is my theory, because I don't watch Boruto and because I think this is how unhealed trauma and loss would work. I believe Sasuke would be a much better father if he had Itachi by his side.

[facetimebuddies]

y'all wanna be stupid. okay. i'll play along.

ryan says, word for word, transcribed directly from the interview (AFTER BEING ASKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A STORYLINE INVOLVING BUCK/EDDIE IN THE FUTURE):

"yeah, you know, like i said it's gotta live in the truth. and i think right now, we live in a moment to moment-- or me, i live moment to moment so the--

i love the fact that the biggest story plot point, between these two characters is, one who happens to be bi, one who happens to be hetero, and they have this vulnerability towards each other and that is the truth to me.

the fact that you have such a safe space and it doesn't matter your sexuality, that you have such a safe space to talk to this individual and they fully accept you. if we can stay with that, then whatever happens, happens. but i don't necessarily want to push the fact that because you're vulnerable you have to be one way or another in your sexuality. that, i would hate to, you know, have a lot of other men who are struggling mentally and-- and uhm, not sure about "oh, do i even open up? will that make me something that i'm not?" i would hate to push that narrative.

if we live in the truth, whatever happens, happens. and again, i'm here for it all."

--

nobody is picking and choosing what to focus on from ryan's answer. nobody is putting on their "delulu buddie deranged BoB biphobic/homophobic glasses!~"

we are extending the very same grace to ryan guzman as oliver stark is extended every single interview he has ever given.

we respect ryan guzman. we respect his thoughts on the character he is portraying and there's a reason why tommy didario chose to ask about the fact that A LOT of people thought it was going to be eddie to come out before buck. the breadcrumbs have been there for several seasons now and it certainly doesn't take shipping buddie to see it.

up until episode 7x04, for all intents and purposes, evan buckley was a heterosexual man. (the comments regarding his sexuality were and still are extremely nasty and gross, don't misunderstand me.) however, nowhere was there an interview prior to this season that discussed evan buckley's sexuality, by either oliver or anyone in the crew. (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG I WILL HAPPILY ADJUST MY STANCE~)

to all of a sudden focus solely on the fact that ryan has called eddie diaz a heterosexual man multiple times says so much more about you, then it does about him.

if we can all look back on evan buckley's history and accept oliver stark speaking on his queer undertones and how he chose to protray him AFTER THE FACT, then why can we not do the same for ryan guzman? he can call eddie diaz a heterosexual man till he turns blue in the face. why? BECAUSE HE IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH. why? because at this present point in time and space THAT IS HIS TRUTH, RIGHT NOW.

[marimo331]

MLM Shipping

i enjoy mlm shipping, so long as it doesn't come at the cost of hurting or hating the female characters in the story. What i mean by this is Annabeth Chase, Piper Mclean, Rachel Dare and especially Calypso get unreasonable amount of hate.

You can like Valgrace, Persico, Jasico, Jercy, Jaleo, love them do fanarts of them and write cutesy or angsty fics about them. I will read them all and nod along your arguments on how, why and they should have ended up together. That's what fiction and fan fiction is about.

What i don't like is the hatred the female characters get for being in a relationship with either of the male characters in the story.

Annabeth is sometimes intense and can come across arrogant, but that does not make her toxic or a horrible human being. They're flaws not death sentences.

Piper hate effeminate things because effeminate girls made her life a living hell and patriarchy demonizes effeminate women all time everywhere in media as well. The very media Piper grew up on.

Again its sad but realistic. If we ever get a story about Piper in her 20s or 30s she might have changed those views by then. Because right now, she's a child and is learning still.

And she's an unlabeled sapphic. You might find it confusing but get guess what, so does she. Her memories were messed with and she had months of fake memories implanted. That can make anyone's head spin. Even when she broke up with Jason, she still cared deeply about him. Was letting Mellie and Hedge believe that It was Jason's fault for breaking up with her, wrong yes. But Hedge and Mellie are adults who knew Jason from the start. Its really on them for not communicating properly. And they shouldn't be hating a literal child for a break up. Teenagers break up sometimes. Does not mean the the two were evil or cruel. They're young people that want to learn new things, who will change and grow.

Rachel kissed a boy that everyone in this fandom would jump to kiss at any given opportunity, yet they have the nerve to shame her? FFS even Annabeth was not as vicious to her as some of you are.

Finally Calypso. Maybe you have valid reasons to not like her relationship with Leo. Maybe the age gap or the curse she placed on Annabeth are the factors that you use to dislike. Understandable. Calypso according to myths is very old but her mind and body are stuck at 16 as stated by RR . Think of it as the vampire situation in a way. Ala the Wimpy Vampire series situation.

As for the curse, she placed that out of desperation and grief over being forgotten again. How long has she been trapped ? Percy showed her hope. But she was left behind and was all by herself again for another long stretch time. Wouldn't that hurt and make you desperate as well . It was wrong of her to place that curse but the amount of hate she receives is worse than Kronos sometimes.

Someone brought up Odysseus from the older myths. Well here's the thing. Percy Jackson series all the characters RR wrote are basically fanfics of a really old religion. And in this Fanfic RR changed or tweaked the lore Calypso . So regardless of the 'True Cannon' lore about Calypso. In this story RR stated it was consensual so we have to take his word on it.

In the end ship and love whichever you want but don't spread unnecessary hate, especially towards female characters . Hating a female character for getting in the way of your favorite MLM ship is just plain unnecessary.

[minniemoonlit]

STOP BEING MESSY.

Some of you are starting drama for no reason. Nobody said Lucien is abusive or implied that he is abusive. If that was your interpretation of the text, then that is your issue.

"He hasn't been abusive to anyone he's been in a relationship with" simply means he hasn't been abusive towards anyone he's been in a relationship with. Point blank. In other words, the admin meant that: No, he is not an abuser, and you are allowed to participate in Elain week.

You are the ones reading too much into it and making up assumptions about the situation and accusing Elriel stans of things we have never done or said.

The rules are: no works of Elain with abusers are allowed. So why are you even asking if Elucien is allowed? He is not an abuser, so you don't have to ask anything...

What the hell are y'all smoking?

It's been 7 years since ACOWAR release and not one of you thought of making an appreciation week for Elain. It was only in 2022 that Elriel shippers decided to step forward and do it, and now suddenly a bunch of other shippers want to participate whilst also complaining?

And saying the admin is 'biased', well since 2022 the only people I've seen put effort into Elain week were Elriels. Mostly. So why are you even blaming the admins for reblogging and following Elriel accounts when Eluciens and other subship shippers have never seemed to care about the character enough to (barely) participate in the event?

And to the Eluciens reading this. I'm not saying all Eluciens dislike Elain, before y'all quote me on this, but a big percentage does. I'm friends with Eluciens who like her and will participate in her week this year and they're very nice people, unlike some of y'all who are fighting imaginary fights over shit you yourself said (not us!!!).

Elriels have always seemed to sympathize more with Elain compared to other shippers, since we, and no other subfandoms, were the ones who came up with Elain Week after 5 whole years of ACOWAR release. It's not our fault you're only willing to participate in it and actually show concern now.

Plus, all the ELW admin did was say "no abusers allowed" and y'all are throwing a tantrum and putting words into their mouth. Either you follow the rules or make your own week. It's not hard.

Why would you even ship Tamlin and Elain? That's just fucking insane. Stay away from her please. You hate her.

[fannyandtreewillmakeoutintpot19]

Fanny hcs and just yapping about her bc I live laugh love her and I project onto her

Now now now you may be thinking but Bitter you are so joyous and silly pilled how kin angry girl and uh fuck you /silly

literally me:

After showing my crashoutful qualifications now uh let’s talk about her lsjdhsgsgdg

the first thing I want to talk about is the fact that

she doesn’t hate everything.

Now this is pretty much a fact honestly. This is a really awful oversimplification of her character there’s a lot of things she clearly doesn’t hate such as her friends and likely winning as she’s a very determined girly who does look out for herself a lot (uh tpot 7 something something) but she also does ultimately care about others a lot and does the right thing (trying to tell others about one to try and stop her, respecting black hole not wanting to cause death bc it’s his own decision uh making tennis ball help robot flower uh comforting pin yk, etc)

also NO the idea of her hating everyone but the person you ship her with is weird and gross. I don’t like it bc it’s kind of suffocating to only have one person you like being around and she doesn’t deserve that and also if you’re not shipping her with black hole that will never make any sense. Her and black hole clearly care about each other in a very geniune way so her hating everyone besides whoever you ship her with will never make sense as she clearly also cares about black hole (this is directed at a very specific ship, I’m sorry but it just bothers me) she also shows a fondness towards pin and also like a kinda friendship towards ice cube so like man this clearly just doesn’t work.

also I’m sure there are things she does enjoy we just haven’t found them yet and uh as someone who hates doing anything besides my few hobbies uh real

I don’t like the idea of her hating herself even though I hate myself I would like to think she doesn’t bc it lowkey makes me sad. She kind’ve is a bit of an anxious girly and mostly takes a backseat to the rest of the team unless she thinks something’s wrong (she’s also uh quite perceptive lowk) but she has a lot of leadership qualities in her but won’t really work out honestly bc she’s not really the type of person who wants to be in charge

uh yap yap yap

I think she may be distant with her friends sometimes bc of the fact she dislikes a lot of shenaniganry uh something something ushgsgsgsh

I do think she’s probably jokingly mean a lot and gives joke threats of violence and also very blunt she’s quite clear when she doesn’t like something

she’s the yapper she loves ranting about shit bc I love ranting about shit but also kindve just true she is the yapper fr fr

I think she’d probably be a picky eater bc I am a picky eater and there’s very few foods I actually eat but uh hc that literally the only thing she’ll eat is spaghetti bc it’s usually the only thing I’ll eat ever because a lot of food either tastes or smells awful to me

also uh have this hehe

(I personally hate sauce but wanted to stay more true to the original image)

she’s emo she’s emo bc I’m emo I love going to the hot topic every chance I get yes yes yes

let her be a little bit of a hopeless romantic as a treat smh

She’d fw msi (I HATE EVERYONE something something hehehehhe)

Sometimes when she says she hates things it’s like just her saying things out of not knowing what to say (totally not projecting I totally don’t say repetitive phrases out of not knowing what to talk about totally)

I’ve always thought the reason Fanny seemed so much nicer to tree in tpot 10 and onwards was because she felt bad about killing him and realized that she did actually enjoy being around him uh something something

she lowkey became nicer and more considerate over the course of tpot compared to how she was in bfb but also she’s now on a team she actually likes with people she respects before she lowkey didn’t gaf and it’s so real there’s barely anyone I can stand that I’m not close friends with bc it feels like everyone else thinks I’m weird but like she found her freaks and I am happy for her 👏👏👏

Absolutely understandable having a burning hatred for anyone with slightly off putting vibes bc me too honestly there’s people I’ve never talked to in my life that I see around and I’m like oh yeah they’d probably be awful to me so I hate them and don’t wanna be around them ygsghsha

anyways uh is this actually anything

[titaniumions]

i think it's probably somewhat clear that i see isolde and kakania as lesbians (seems to be a common hc anyway) but i think i want to explore how that'd fit into their respective characterizations, not necessarily only from a shipping standpoint. note that this does get into headcanon territory, still i try to keep it as in-character as i can

i think kakania would actually be pretty open about it. in the 1910s?? i mean sure, she's already a controversy as she is ... an arcanist, an uncertified psychiatrist with unconventional methods, an outspoken member of society who stirs up public opinion. might as well give herself one more reason to be a subject of controversy. those who are set on hating her probably have no intention of changing that, so hey, might as well authentically be herself in every possible way including this. among those who have a more positive opinion about her, i do think this would make her somewhat of an icon. she draws other members of the community toward her. she lets them know that she is there for them and will fight for them. that they can turn to her and she will not scrutinize them for it. she'd tell them, no, there is nothing wrong with being this way. it isn't something you need to be "cured" from

in line with this, i think it would make sense for the "circle" to be a queer safe space. in fact, i like to think theophil himself could've been bi and thus would've accepted his sister's sexuality. but due to her own inhibitions (which i will touch upon later) i don't think isolde would ever have told him.

meanwhile for isolde ... i think it's more complicated. having a sexuality outside of the norm would be a deviation from the socially acceptable definition of the "perfect noble" she tries to be. so even if she were to ever consider it, she would simply end up pushing those thoughts away. no, not a chance. this shouldn't bother her at all. she's supposed to be perfect, yet she already has enough problems in her life as a member of the dittarsdorf family. considering the possibility of herself being anything but straight would lead to more problems, wouldn't it? and that's the last thing she needs. nonetheless she's ... never been attracted to a man either. but she tries not to think too much of it. maybe she just needs to wait it out. or so she tells herself

now to piece it all together ... i do really like the idea of kakania being her ... awakening. in fact i think it would make a lot of sense for her story, what with kakania being the metaphorical key to the doors that have always surrounded and confined isolde ... so hear me out. when isolde started associating with her and the circle she realized that it felt far less suffocating than ... pretty much any other aspect of her life. it's like a breath of fresh air. kakania in particular would fascinate isolde, in a way that makes isolde question things about herself. perhaps she even comes close to having a realization. but again, isolde remembers who she needs to be, and stops herself short.

eventually though, she would learn what kind of person kakania is, and what she believes in and fights for. this only deepens isolde's admiration further and she finally comes to a point of acceptance about her feelings. alright. i can accept this realization now. she no longer pushes it to the back of her mind. there's still a bit of repression and shame left in there but meeting someone who has not only awakened her, but also wouldn't judge her for it, has changed something within her entirely. the feelings overflow and she can deny it no longer. but again, at the end of the day she still needs to be perfect and socially acceptable. she can't just ... exist as freely as kakania does. but it's alright, isolde has feigned compliance for so long regardless of however difficult it might be. putting up with expectations has been a regular part of her life. so there it is, something authentic about this actor that she can't show to anyone else because it doesn't fit the part that she's supposed to play. kakania is allowed to know though, of course she is. it can just be their little secret. and one way or another, she'll figure out how isolde feels toward her. surely kakania would be quite honored to be on the receiving end of the affection of such a wonderful lady. as long as this affection doesn't eventually turn into a catalyst for destruction, right ...

[the-afterparty-au]

[✨*ABOUT✨]

The Afterparty AU is briefly summarized as taking place in a party within the void, lasting forever after a genocide route that was never undone. After many months of nothing but wind, our first fallen human realized the world was not going to be reverted by the player, and they stayed true to their word of Erasure. Chara however, simply getting bored decides to play a game framed as a experiment & brings back all the monsters you failed to befriend in a Genocide route back for a encore. Allowing everyone to reside in the void, a space between files & between deltarune and UNDERTALE. The amount of monsters that are happy about this is uncertain, but all of them are certainly questioning literally everything that brought them here.  (Lightly Inspired by these fanworks so, Thanks to @garbagechocolate, @djsmell & @jazze-bee for accidentally inspiring me to make a whole AU)

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[lostsyren]

this isn’t even hate but i’m genuinely so confused as to what is appealing about rafe and sofia. like this isn’t even coming from a disrespectful or rude stance but if you want to explain why you love them much, as someone who can only really see the downsides to their relationship (maybe cos im not looking hard enough) and why their characters would potentially be better with others id be interested to know if ur liking just comes from fiona or you just genuinely like them. this is not any way meant to be mean by the way but im just curious because im kinda leaning more towards riara (please don’t hate me😭) but ur edits on tiktok are amazing and i really want to get into them more. i can list reasons why i feel inclined to like them less if you’d like but i dont know,

english isn’t my first language so ignore if anything comes across as mean i probably just can’t find another word:)

You’re too nice😭I’m not gonna attack you for having a different opinion, and ofc I won’t hate you for liking a diff ship!! I hope that’s not the vibe me or my blog gives off😬!!

Like I’m genuinely down for any discussion, you can message me if you want to as well <3 (goes for anyone!)

Ultimately shipping is so silly, like it just boils down to whether or not you vibe with the pair. Like I can list a bunch of reasons why rafesofia is good and makes sense (just have a scroll through my blog I have made many a post about it😭) and why other ships are bad and don’t. But like it’s not that deep and if you wanna ship riara you can, you don’t have to like rafia!!

But for meeeee, I like their vibe– I eat up the Sweet Lovely Girl and Awful Loser Man dynamic every time. And I think a lot of the fandom are holding Sofia to such a high standard for what they wanted her character to be– like the concept of “Rafe Cameron’s love interest” has been churned around so much post s1-2, from x readers, x oc, rarry, riara– it felt like Sofia would had to have encapsulated all of those different facets for people to like her/like her relationship with Rafe. (Which is impossible. I genuinely think the consensus of her character would be the same even if she had a whole different personality).

I lowkey don’t care, like she’s her own character, she’s engaging– people have just wrung out Rafe sm (not saying this is bad) that it feels like whatever he does in canon will pale in comparison to fanon, thus making everyone disengage with Sofia, cuz they either ship themselves with Rafe or ship another character with him. So like I cba to care about shipping discourse because there’s no conclusion.

But since you so graciously asked my opinion:

I loveeee the double betrayal plotline. Like him and her both selling each other out in different ways. Like waiting for his reaction to her ‘betrayal’ after part 1 was the thing I was most anticipating. Would he hurt her? Would he hear her out? The dynamics people, the dynamics!

I love how Rafe’s past kinda looms over their relationship– like a lot of people kinda hate that she knows nothing and say he needs someone to ‘match his freak’. But idk…I like how there’s this unspoken threat that Sofia is unaware of (yes, that threat is Rafe, or the threat of her finding out the truth) And what makes it even better, he doesn’t even clock the capacity he has to hurt her (in all the ways). Like they’re both grasping onto this idealistic relationship they carved out, free from the binaries of Kildare, free from the rumours surrounding Rafe– it was never going to last, but that doesn’t make what they had any less real :( the proposal scene which everyone hates😭 was indicative of that to me– they both so desperately want to stay in the honeymoon phase. But they let their separate insecurities (rafe being with a pogue and Sofia feeling unwanted) fester and infect their relationship, giving way for Hollis, Groff, Ruthie, basically anyone who tried, to push them to ruin what they had.

I loveee how it seems they exist in their own little bubble when they’re just with each other. The natural ‘I love yous’, the intense eye contact, the constant touches and proximity. But then how that suddenly flips when they’re in public. They’re both different, both wearing a mask in front of the kooks. Rafe slips into this erratic role, slips back into arrogance. Whereas Sofia loses her spark, she observes, she tails Rafe. Like she understands that he’s putting on an act, and she doesn’t mind it, and he knows that she’ll put up with it. I’m so obsessed with their weird, codependent bond mannn😫!!!

(If you love Sofia sm why do you want her to be in that position? I hear you ask– what part of sweet girl and awful man did you not understand? Like yeah she’s disrespecting herself/he’s disrespecting her– but it’s not intentional…they’re both so ashamed (in different ways) but they find acceptance and respect with each other and I eat that kinda stuff up)

And I hate how for every other Rafe ship it’s standard to inflate headcanon and give depth. But when rafesofia shippers do it it’s delusion and seeing things that aren’t there? Like it’s undeniable his relationship with Sofia is different with anyone else’s (and yeah you can just ignore her character and chalk it up to writers just wanting to throw Rafe a girlfriend– “Rafe would never be nice to a girl, he’s crazy”…like c’mon– we really being that reductive? Just work with what you’re given, which is the ethos the whole obx fandom carries for the characters, but when it comes time to do that for Sofia, there’s just crickets and critique :/)

And yeah I love Fiona too!! In the same way people dick ride (yeah I said it) Rafe/Drew.

Would love to hear your reasons why you don’t like them/if my perspective maybe made you see them in a slightly more positive light!! (Also want to say, just because I ship them doesn’t mean I want solely soft/fluffy moments– like I don’t want Rafe to be watered down. I want to see Rafe with Sofia)

And thank you sm!! I’m glad you like my edits🥹🫶!! I really don’t see myself as an editor, like it’s just me, CapCut and my phone, so it’s nice to see people enjoying them💖🙏appreciate it <3

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I choked on my water 😂😂😂

Q. Sarcasm goes both ways, dumbass. So that line can be read as sarcastic either way. It can be read as sarcastic towards the people who ship them or it can be read as sarcastic towards the people who don't. It depends on your opinion of the topic. So we don't know the author's sarcastic intentions because we don't know what their opinion on Buddie is. Hope that helps. I know intelligence is hard.

A. Why do you all act like you've never human'd before? Sarcasm does go both ways but not in the same line, dumbass. The wording of the line would be different depending on which viewpoint the writer wanted the reader to take as truth. So for instance the line we are talking about was saying, very clearly, that believing their just bestie bros at this point is kind of ridiculous. Now if the writer was making a statement about how ridiculous the idea of anything romantic between them is, they would have written something entirely different. Something more like:

"News of Eddie's potential move came as a surprise to his bestie Buck, weird for a supposed pair of soulmates who can read each other's every thought".

See the difference? That line is clearly mocking the idea of them as romantic partners. You can't read every piece of sarcasm as sarcastic towards both ideas. That's not a thing. Just like believing every scene we see on television is open to the viewer's interpretation to determine what it actually means is not a thing. Intention exists. And it exists obviously within the text of most things. Some things are open to the readers, or the viewers, interpretation, but not most things. Most things have an intended purpose and a particular conclusion the audience is supposed to come to. Hope that helps, jackass. I know intelligence is hard. Seriously there is no way you all are actually this stupid. And if you have to pretend to be this stupid in order for your character/ship to still sound possible then that should tell you something. Nevermind, convincing yourselves that none of this is weird or crazy behavior already tells me everything I need to know about your intelligence.

Thank you Nonny. 🤗

What is it with the rudeness of these people? There is a better, more polite way to ask someone a question or to make a point if you don't agree with someone else's take.

Anyway, Ali already said all that needed to be said in her answer.

It's like these people are willfully ignoring every single thing that is buddie-positive because they are convinced that we are all having some sort of mass-delusion that Buddie is going canon in 8b. At the same time they are convinced that BT are soulmates, which... no. 🤷‍♀️

I'm so tired of dealing with these people. I hope they all just go away during 8b as soon as they see that Buddie is really happening. 🤞🤞🤞

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i am no hater or at least i don’t like to be, but do you (aoikane/aoiaoi shippers) actually know peace? Do i just happen to stumble upon the mean ones everytime or are ygs genuinely just so hateful? Please i don’t mean to be mean but like do you genuinely exist? No joke every time i have interacted with an aoikane/aoiaoi shipper they have been so mean and aggressive towards terukane or any other alternative ship including either aoi or akane. Not even just interactions but viewing you like in action and YOU interacting with OTHER aoikane/aoiaoi shipping people has made me like lose hope in the world. The main reason i come to hate ships is not because of the characters (sometimes) but mostly because of the people who ship them themselves. I mean for example I would die to see Nene and Hanako get together hell yeah but that’s mostly because theres no homophobia lingering around them?? Not only is there no queer subjects or matters involving either characters but the main crowd of tbhk fans just enjoy it above all else don’t get mad at anyone for shipping any one of them with anyone else because they know damn well its so clearly established and loved by everyone they don’t need to worry about it ever becoming something it’s not.

i would be so down to say like ‘oh thats so cute akane loves aoi’ if you didn’t harbor so much unwarranted anger towards us?? What happened to being respectful?? (And it might just be the homophobic ones i’m not sure.)

Like touching back on what i said about Hananene was that for example there is no queer subjects/matter involving either of them, however there is with aoikane (debatably). For example (again damn) there is arguable evidence suggesting another male character has romantic interest in him. Which of course does not make him HIMSELF queer, but it does involve him in such an agenda (?).

there is a difference between a good way to handle this, and a bad way to. For example, you are a good/unproblematic Aoikane supporter if you:

Acknowledge that either one character is associated with homosexuality and that one character is the sole supporter of the idea, and realize that homosexuality can infact coexist with your favorite ship (one sided)

Acknowledge that aoiaoi has a few elements to it that make some uncomfortable, and allow others to respectfully disagree with you

You are a bad/problematic Aoikane supporter if you:

Deny the possible idea of either one character being associated with homosexuality and deny/act on aggression towards it

Deny aoiaoi’s initial or ‘current’(?) toxicity

And someone who will straight up deny that aoiaoi had something wrong with it in the first place is someone you do not wanna be. It is important to understand that aoiaoi is a semi problematic ship, and i’m not saying this ‘because I’m biased’ i’m saying this because (i think) it’s true. At the beginning and even some aspects of now, aoiaoi was a very unhealthy + toxic relationship/ship, hence why a lot of people hated it, and it’s okay to say things like ‘omg i love how aoiaoi’s coming back yess!!’ But to say things that make it sound like aoiaoi was perfect all along and people who disliked it were ignorant or ‘straightphobic’ is just stupid.

Please just be nice guys cmon😭 i have never in my life seen aoiaoi/aoikane shippers JUST TALK about said ship always finding way to bond ab their hatred for terukane (subconscious homophobia or purposeful, we’ll never know)

anyway guys stay positive!!!! xxxx