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DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN LUKOLALAND
⚠️DISCLAIMER: This is Lukolaland only. Skip if you don't believe.
Denial is a river in LUKOLALAND?
This has to be a joke, right? Some responses that I have received on my latest posts on TT and Tumblr leave me perplexed. Let me make something clear: I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. You have the right to believe whatever you want, that’s your prerogative. However, this is a Lukola space. It’s a space that exists to celebrate their connection, to nurture it from afar, because it shines brightly and is uniquely beautiful.
I don’t know them personally. I can only judge from what I’ve seen and heard, and I fully acknowledge that my perception is biased. My interpretations come from the way I read into their actions, their words, and their patterns. What I share here isn’t fact, it’s speculation based on observation. The only thing I know for sure is that I don’t know what’s really going on.
First and foremost, they are colleagues and FRIENDS. They’ve said that multiple times, and I believe them. For those who doubt their friendship, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s the foundation here. If you don’t even believe in their bond as friends, this probably isn’t the space for you.
But here’s where it gets complicated: they’re not just platonic friends. You may have missed it, but the signs are there, publicly available. You just need to pay attention. I’m not talking about outlandish theories; I’m talking about what’s right there if you’re willing to see it.
I believe they’re in love with each other. As for their current situation? I’m not certain. But the level of plausible deniability in their story doesn’t make sense to me. Maybe it does to you, but for someone who thinks in layers, patterns, double entendres, and undertones, someone who loves words and has studied communication and PR, this whole narrative is anything but straightforward.
Leaving this much space for misinterpretation is a choice. If they wanted to shut this down entirely, they could’ve done so with clarity and finality. It’s not that they can’t make themselves understood without being misconstrued, they absolutely can. But they haven’t.
It’s wise to keep a level of doubt, it maintains objectivity and prevents overreach. However, when coincidences stack up and patterns emerge, it becomes increasingly unlikely that they’re all mere misunderstandings or products of plausible deniability.
The more coincidences there are, the less likely they are to be unrelated.
On their own, one or two could easily be explained away, “just friends,” “PR,” or “fans reading too much into it.”
When similar themes arise repeatedly over months or years (e.g., their timing, shared themes, subtle nods to one another), the likelihood of them being mere coincidence diminishes.
The concept of plausible deniability hinges on actions that could be explained in multiple ways. However, the more layers of ambiguity and deniability built into their interactions, the more intentional it feels.
The subtleties of their public dynamic suggest a shared awareness of fan interpretations. They know how their actions are perceived. To repeatedly engage in behaviors that could be "misunderstood" suggests either: a) Intentional messaging within safe boundaries. b) A significant lack of care, which doesn’t align with how thoughtful and calculated they seem to be.
Take Nicola’s recent Times interview as an example. She could have ended all speculation right there,
“A lot of people really want me to marry Luke,” she says with a laugh. “We have this gorgeous friendship. We have such a love for one another and this experience that I’ll never have with someone else again. Isn’t it gorgeous that a man and woman can have that sort of relationship with one another?”
but she didn’t. Why? There must be a reason. And no, it’s not just PR. PR campaigns don’t operate on layers of plausible deniability that stretch across years, interweave with personal moments, and rely on such specific timing.
Isn’t it strange that for two people who have been so close, their social interactions have significantly decreased compared to before? Over the past two years, especially after the world tour, they appeared to have solidified a deep friendship. If the intent is to disengage fans from the idea that they might be secretly in love, wouldn’t it be wiser to interact more naturally and perhaps even acknowledge each other’s perceived partners?
From a strategic perspective, a like, a follow, or a simple interaction on social media could have gone a long way in dismantling the Lukola narrative. Such actions would feel natural for close friends, especially ones under public scrutiny. Their reluctance to adopt this approach only adds to the curiosity. Why not lean into a strategy that would be less detrimental and more effective at quelling speculation?
Perhaps they are more active on private social media accounts, but publicly, the absence of these gestures stands out. If the goal truly is to clarify their relationship and put fan theories to rest, this perceived distance feels counterproductive. The choice to refrain from such actions, at least for now, is, at the very least, curious. Could it be that there’s a reason they haven’t done so yet?
Both Luke and Nicola have had ample opportunities to firmly address and deny the Lukola narrative. While they’ve made passing comments about being friends, these have lacked the clarity and directness that would fully quash the speculation. Why leave the door ajar if they truly wanted to shut it?
Their reduced interactions seem to have coincided with the conclusion of the promotional period for Bridgerton. During promotions, they were actively engaging with each other and the fandom, fostering the image of a close bond. The sudden change afterward could indicate a deliberate decision to recalibrate public perceptions of their relationship.
The decrease in public interactions after the “papgate” could be their way of managing fallout from the incident, yet it raises questions: Why would two close friends need to distance themselves so noticeably? It suggests a calculated retreat to reduce speculation. However, this strategy seems counterproductive, as the abruptness of the change has drawn more attention. A gradual shift, paired with natural acknowledgments of their respective supposed personal lives, might have been more effective.
It’s possible they’re still VERY close privately but have chosen to limit their public interactions to avoid misinterpretation, or for privacy reasons. If so, this deliberate choice to create distance publicly could point to a deeper connection they’re trying to shield.
This brings us back to patterns. If you observe their public interactions, their timing, their word choices, the double meanings, they’re not random. These coincidences pile up to the point where it’s hard to believe they’re all meaningless. Their bond transcends the boundaries of PR, platonic friendship, or even ordinary relationships.
If you reason in layers, you’ll see it too. The amount of room they leave for interpretation is extraordinary. It’s not just about what they say, it’s about what they don’t say. It’s about the undertones, the pauses, the way they navigate questions, and even the things they choose to share (or not share) on social media. All of this seems to be deliberate. The picture is larger and more intricate than it seems on the surface.
For example: Am I truly supposed to believe that Nicola, who has a higher degree in English and a major grasp of language, would post a Scrabble board with so many elements that could be interpreted through a Lukola lens purely by coincidence? Yes, she’s an avid player of word games, but let’s examine the board itself. It reflects competent but not advanced gameplay, logical and adhering to Scrabble rules, yes, but lacking the level of complexity, strategy, and nuanced word choice you’d expect from someone of her linguistic caliber or from a player displaying their skill.
For me, this was never just about showing off her love of Scrabble. It felt intentional, like an intended message rather than a casual post. If the goal was simply to share her hobbies or an aesthetic moment, she could’ve easily posted a picture of herself playing Scrabble, perhaps with a pint of Guinness in hand. Or she could’ve showcased a more advanced board to reflect her skills or creativity. Instead, she chose this specific board with these specific words, words that align so conveniently with a narrative many of us have come to associate with Lukola.
And let’s not forget her self-awareness. Why would someone who knows how deeply her posts are analyzed by fans continue to share things that are repeatedly misconstrued? If she didn’t want the association, why add layers of ambiguity, such as the now infamous “the very demure, very mindful” quote? What was the reason?
Just two days ago, she posted a photo in her best of 2024 the phrase "if you know, you know." Let’s be honest, how many Lukola edits have we seen that riff of "when you know, you know"? If this wasn’t related to that, what exactly was the point of the “random” quote? Is it public knowledge or is it something only some know? Nicola is anything but random on social media. She’s chronically online, she’s clever, and she’s incredibly aware of the narratives circulating around her.
These patterns, Scrabble boards, cryptic quotes, wordplay, and selective ambiguity, don’t feel accidental. They feel curated. For someone so skilled with words and communication, there’s intention behind these choices. If it were just for fun, she could have chosen countless other ways to express herself that wouldn’t leave so much room for interpretation. But she didn’t. And for me, that’s speaks volumes.
I’m mainly talking about Nicola here because there’s simply more material to analyze, her posts, interviews, and public interactions offer more clues and layers to unpack. However, Luke’s activity, or rather, his noticeable lack of activity, is equally intriguing and worth examining.
Luke has always been more reserved on social media compared to Nicola, but his recent silence or carefully curated posts stand out. He’s not just absent; he’s selectively absent. There’s a difference between being inactive and deliberately staying under the radar. For someone who previously shared glimpses of his personal life and participated more openly in fandom engagement, his current approach feels intentional.
When he does post, the content often seems neutral, leaning into professional promotion or generic life updates. Yet, the timing or lack of acknowledgment of certain things, whether related to Nicola or even his supposed personal relationships, leaves room for speculation. It’s almost as if he’s consciously avoiding feeding into narratives while simultaneously not shutting them down.
For instance, why hasn’t he addressed certain rumors head-on, as he has done in the past with other relationships? Luke has historically been upfront about his. It’s a choice.
Considering that Luke has been involved in other projects and worked with other co-stars since the end of the Bridgerton world tour, the ratio of content related to Nicola remains strikingly high. Among the limited glimpses he does share, Nicola accounts for the largest percentage of reposts and interactions. What’s even more telling is that the majority of this content is Lukola-focused, centered on his dynamic with Nicola as individuals, rather than strictly Polin-related, which would be tied to their characters and professional pairing. Yes, she is his MAIN co-star within the Bridgerton universe, but this level of engagement is noteworthy.
This isn’t to say he doesn’t appreciate or acknowledge his other co-stars; it’s just that the weight of attention, however subtle, consistently gravitates toward Nicola. Whether it’s the choice of what he reposts or the absence of comparable attention toward other colleagues, the pattern emerges loud and clear.
If we analyze this through a lens of probability and statistics, the numbers paint an even more intriguing picture. Let’s say Luke has worked with five to seven notable co-stars in other projects and in Bridgerton, if he has been tagged in or had the opportunity to engage with 100 pieces of social media content since the world tour. If Nicola accounts for, say, 60% of the interactions and reposts, despite being one of many co-stars, it defies the expectation of a more even distribution.
For context, if he were equally invested in all professional relationships, the engagement with Nicola might hover closer to 15-20%, proportional to the size of his broader network. The fact that this number is so much higher, let’s conservatively estimate at least three to four times greater raises questions. Is this simply because of their shared Bridgerton fame? Perhaps. But then why focus on individual Lukola moments, bypassing more neutral or inclusive Polin or broader cast content?
From a mathematical standpoint, the odds of this being purely coincidental diminish significantly when you layer in the context:
Nicola has the highest percentage of reposts across Luke's social media activity.
The type of content intimate, personal, or Lukola-specific reflects a curated choice, not random selection.
Even in a professional context, where Polin content would be the obvious promotional focus, the Lukola-centric moments shine through.
Given the numbers and probabilities, it seems less likely that this pattern is accidental or merely reflective of professional obligations. Instead, it suggests an intentionality that aligns with the depth and uniqueness of their connection.
Promotion for Bridgerton Season 3 has come to a halt, creating a quiet period where we can observe and compare how Luke approaches the promotion of his other projects.it could highlight how unique his dynamic with Nicola truly is.
The nature of the content he shares for other projects will be equally telling
By comparing these promotional efforts both in terms of frequency and tone to the patterns established during the Bridgerton promotional cycle, we could gain insight into whether his approach to Nicola was truly unique or simply part of his broader professional routine.
When coincidences pile up, their probability of being just coincidences shrinks dramatically. A single instance might be random, but repeated instances with similar themes, timing, and emotional undertones suggest a deeper meaning. While maintaining doubt is reasonable, the sheer volume of these moments suggests that there’s more at play than mere misunderstanding. It’s not about overreaching, it’s about acknowledging that where there’s consistent smoke, there’s likely some fire. What type of fire is there currently? I’m not sure. Are you? Probably an Eternal flame.
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THIS! It’s kind of disappointing that they even consisted of the line “Cheating isn’t so bad” to begin with. I feel like cheating should only be justified when the partner is abusive towards you and that’s it. I completely understand why Stolas did do it and I feel bad for him being stuck with someone like Stella but yet again, he still committed actions that aren’t excusable (ex: breaking your child’s promises, coercing someone beneath you, etc). Sometimes it feels like the narrative acknowledges he did something wrong but somehow still finds ways to work around it? It just seems to drain out all nuance by excusing what Stolas does, y’know? It fails to make Stolas completely rounded, real, and accountable. Doesn’t matter how much he fucks up, at least he “tried”. Like Todd Chavez says “You can’t keep doing shitty things and feel bad about yourself like that makes it okay!” It’s nice that Stolas does regret his actions but you can’t also have the narrative award him for it at the same time.
It’s strange how HB seems to award cheaters, too. I’m genuinely wondering if Viv or someone on the team cheated on their ex-partner and excused it because they were actually gay. Just think about it.
Martha cheats on her husband with a married man and kills people? Well, that’s okay because she’s awarded with Mrs. Mayberry while her family is nowhere in sight and that’s cool because she’s most likely a misunderstood sapphic anyways.
That unnamed man possibly cheated on his wife because he was gay? Well, that’s okay because he’s happy and that she’s just a homophobic bitch who doesn’t understand her kids. She’s the only one in the wrong for this.
Stolas cheats on Stella and unintentionally ruins his family life and image? Well, that’s okay because Stella was always a bitch, Octavia is a naive clingy brat who the writers dislike, and Stolas never even liked her and was fixated on his childhood crush that he coerces 25 years later, anyways. But that’s also okay because their love is written in the stars and Blitz is the big jerk who keeps on pushing him away.
“Grace and Frankie” does none of that. It has characters acknowledge that cheating is wrong but it also doesn’t vilify the gay men either. Same goes with the wives. There’s a lot of nuance provided between the two, which makes both sides interesting and reasonable to sympathize with. Grace and Frankie aren’t bad women because they were rightfully upset and saddened with finding out they were cheated on. At the same time, Sol and Robert aren’t bad men for coming to terms with their sexuality and fearing that they would hurt their wives feelings by doing so. Sure they were still in the wrong for cheating, but that never meant they did so to intentionally hurt Grace and Frankie. Helluva Boss seems like it’s lacking an open-minded view like this. They just make the wives homophobic bitches and call it a day.
ACTUALLY YOU KNOW WHAT???
IF YOU WANT A SHOW THAT PORTRAYS BOTH REALISTICALLY AND WITH NUANCE THE FALLOUT OF TWO QUEER MEN CHEATING ON THEIR WIVES THAT DOESNT VILIFY THE WIVES OR THE QUEER MEN WHILE STILL HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS GO WATCH “GRACE AND FRANKIE”
FIRST SEASON IS A LITTLE SLOW THEYRE GETTING THEIR FOOTING BUT THE SHOW IS SO GOOD SO ANTI-AGEIST IT HAS OLD MAN QUEER RELATIONSHIPS AND OLD WOMAN FRIENDSHIPS AND IT STARS THE IMPECCABLE JANE FONDA AND LILY TOMLIN.
#reblog#helluva boss just needs more nuance and consequences#it has an interesting story but fails at execution#which kinda sucks#the pieces are right there but they are never properly placed
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We spent 8 seasons watching how everybody south and north of the wall scorned Jon for being a bastard and how even the doubt of the future king being illegitimate (while having the very plausible excuse of looking like his mother) burst a giant war where almost everybody dies and now we are supposed to believe Rhaenyra putting bastards (that don’t even look like her) on the throne has no political repercussions whatsoever?
#oh how we’ve changed#i think the change from the main audience of got and hotd have made an awful difference of how they portray the characters#for example in got we had littlefinger and cersei#and they were awful but people loved them bc they were smart and knew how to play the game#and characters like ned#people love him but they know he made stupid choices that killed him#and the main audience of got was older millennials and gen x or baby boomers#but in hotd most audience is younger millennials and older gen z#and it shows#so much faux feminism and fear of making a character unlikable if they aren’t perfect#they wanna make Rhaenyra a girlboss that never does wrong but she makes dumb choices too#and the narrative doesn’t acknowledge that#why is everything a misunderstanding or a mistake#let them be evil#even daemon got watered down#we have no conflict this is a hero vs villain story done wrong#good girlboss rhaenyra vs evil r*pist aegon#anti rhaenyra targaryen#Rhaenyra Targaryen critical#hotd#anti hotd
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rewatched madoka magica again today bc i fucking hate myself and to absolutely no one’s surprise i went through all five stages of grief in a single evening
#let’s talk about sayaka miki for a second#genuinely the fact that her whole character is centered around tragedy almost to a shakespearean extent#she’s selfless and brave and values her justice and righteousness above all. calls herself an ally of justice#in fact i think it’s rather intriguing how her whole character is centered around “justice”#her story being a more twisted retelling of the original little mermaid#how she is initially portrayed as a very heroic and confident character even before becoming a magical girl. always shielding madoka#selling her soul to heal the boy she loved out of a selfless desire to see him well again#her being absolutely distraught abt being robbed of her humanity and betrayed by kyubey#she combats this harrowing realization by immersing herself in her duties not caring that she is slowly deteriorating in the process#becoming numb with pain and fighting recklessly and psychotically trying to drown out the pain#finally coming to the sickening conclusion that humanity doesn’t deserve her saving and she succumbs to a fate of her making#last words being “i was so stupid” which trumps her previous statement of “there’s no way i’d regret this”#ALSO? the fact that her costume and weapon are symbolic of a knight. she rly portrays this hero of justice who will protect and defend ☹️#i think abt the fact that homura said that sayaka’s wish was so selfless it was only a matter of time before she died#sayaka being the example of what happens to magical girls who go through the entire cycle and eventually become witches is so sad to me#genuinely just like. sick and twisted#very very fucked up.#characters who have their own misconstrued interpretation of “justice” or who are centered around justice in general.#you will always be dear to me.#sayaka reminds me a lot of akechi in some ways ngl#harboring an almost idealized vision of justice but it slowly rots and festers and corrupts their hearts the more immersed w it they become#actually losing their sanity when they fight bc of how much pain they’re in but refuse to acknowledge it until they break#refusing any help and wallowing in misery despite having ppl who love them and want to save them#last words are those expressing regret for being such a fool. for being ignoring#being used by yhe main villain as a stepping stone towards their true goal. they were merely a pawn#also doomed in every version of their reality. always doomed by the narrative no matter what choices they make#i have a type i fear#HAHAHAH ALSO the fact that they’re both dressed so regally compared to everyone else in their respective series#meant to portray them in a virtuous and princely light. only made more apparent by the sword being their weapon of choice#i’m gonna shut up now but they’re soo eerily similar its unnerving tbh 💀
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genuinely p4 fandom outside of tumblr makes u feel like ur living in an alternate reality. You say hey I think u can easily read trans subtext and text in Naoto’s story because the game quite literally talks about transition surgery, and people act like you’re the insane one.
#I love being mansplained about misogyny in Japan by white dudes as well that’s. a truly incomparable experience#like I KNOW what narrative goal the story is trying to achieve man#but to reject a queer reading of the text as utterly incompatible (specifically ‘culturally incompatible’) is just stupid#you can literally examine the works of Japanese queer scholarship and look at the ways trans identity was conceptualised at that point#in time (and specifically pathologised as a mental disorder)#and how that was reinforced by depictions within Japanese art etc#queer identity MUST be acknowledged to exist within its specific cultural context yes#and we should not apply our cultural context as normative#but to decry that it simply doesn’t exist and that to make any queer reading of Japanese art is somehow ‘tainting’ the text by association#is just. crazy to me.#tunes talks critical#tunes talks persona
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I think it’s interesting characters like Big Mom and slightly even gear five luffy or even Homelander or just generally any superhero from the boys. Who are insanely powerful but find fights difficult or hard against weaker opponents because they lack battle I.q and are easily distractable.
Very might doesn’t always make right.
#i also like it cause it’s a way to keep the narrative interesting and explain why certain characters don’t just dominate#homelander instantly loses a fight with any character just as strong as him#because he just doesn’t know how to fight#love the boys for acknowledging that realistically homelander would have never needed to learn proper fight techniques#or how to block or just generally all the things you need to win a fight and stay safe#because he just didn’t have that problem#the inverse of this trope where “weak characters win because they are smarter or they just want it more#is also great but is done more because of the popularity of the underdog trope#but yeah I like it I think it’s interesting#throwing thoughts to the void#one piece#big mom#charlotte linlin#gear 5 luffy#monkey d luffy#homelander#the boys#op#superheros#thoughts
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i do genuinely think s7 is decent but even if it wasn’t it’d be like crack to me considering it’s an entire season essentially centred around sam’s trauma. it’s the closest we ever get to the show properly genuinely acknowledging the things it puts him through. which is ironic considering it’s also before many many other things he goes through!
#s7 could literally just have like the first couple episodes and repo man maybe born again identity#and i’d be like Omg this is my favourite :)#oh i also really like amy pond ep. dean killing her is awful and the arc goes nowhere but i don’t care about that part it’s the childhood#sam content for me#like sure yes. for at least half the season they don’t deal with it at all and it’s in the back burner#sam is just quietly hallucinating offscreen while dean does whatever the fuck#and there’s also that becky episode. which the less said about the better#but that beats an entire show of traumatising and violating him again and again and then refusing to ever directly acknowledge it or give#it any narrative attention#i genuinely think s7 is the only full season of spn after s5 which treats sam like a main character#s6 maybe? probably? soulless sam is pretty crucial. but sam doesn’t even have his memories of cage trauma then which bores me (sorry)#but like. s8 only at the end. s9 only really in the first half. s10 not at all. s11 it suddenly seems like they’ve remembered he’s a real#character and ur soooo hopeful until suddenly they just forget again and decide he isn’t relevant#haven’t seen any other seasons yet <3#oliver talks#spn#supernatural#spn s7
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how could you say that about your son, varric …
#❪ ⋅ ✹ ⋆ —┊ ❛ ooc. ❜ ❫#dav spoilers //#( pushing rp developed relationships / bonds into the narrative and being :( when b-ware doesn’t acknowledge it )
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“And by the way, I have a question and don’t fight me because I know how you girls like to tussle” -Khaenotbae on TikTok
The people who blame Sansa for Ned Stark’s death and criticize her for romanticizing Joffrey, do y’all have that same attitude towards Lyanna?
#asoiaf#sansa stark#game of thrones#a song of ice and fire#anti fandom#lyanna stark#y’all only acknowledge that women are victims when it suits your narrative#feminism doesn’t end when it’s a woman character that you don’t agree with#joffrey baratheon#Lyanna stark was also a victim#but y’all romanticized her and her abuser
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Okay @ the bright session fandom
Please tell me most of us grew up and realized that the narrative‘s treatment of Damien was just cluster b hatred masked as morals?
#the bright sessions#damien bright sessions#not saying he doesn’t do bad things or should be forgiven for everything#but like… they really went: we love depressed people and people with anxiety! your mental illness doesn’t define you#and then gave the guy with the manipulation ability who was intended as the villain obvious symptoms of bpd and npd and said that he is just#TOO mentally ill to become a good person#like let me make this clear: he is abusive and has done bad things I’m not saying that the other characters owe him anything#I’m saying that his treatment by the narrative implies the author’s disregard for cluster b personality disorders#i am criticizing the writing and very much not the characters because i acknowledge that their reactions to him are justified#damien gorham
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has that other anon ever met an upper class brit because i guarantee they wouldn't feel the same after encountering All That
literally 😭 like comparing classism is so dumb when it’s very much a subjective, varied conversation WITHIN a country let alone amongst different countries but that sentiment can and should coexist with the acknowledgement that british classism Does Not Fuck About
#like u cant lob both country's classim under an umbrella term when comparing them#bc our culture and history with it is so wildly different#like american classism IS there and IS a serious problem the irony here is that literally at no point did anyone say otherwise#so idk why anon got so up in arms lol#but the thing about british classism and the reason it gets talked about so much is because it is such a huge part of our lives#and americans never seem to really get that like even americans that acknowledge it i feel still struggle to grasp the severity of it#I’ve seen a lot of much smarter well-researched people say that class and race in the uk and usa are flipped#so while it’s important to note that BOTH countries have serious issues in both departments the way they manifest is different#so the way race is treated with such severity/extremity in america and racism so normalised and systemic#is exactly how class is here#and the way classism is typically more indirect and underlying in america#is how racism is here#does that make sense? there’s a lot of articles online that explain it better#like im explaining it v briefly and it's obviously not that black and white but that's the general gist of it#and if ur american thinking ‘classism doesn’t FEEL indirect for me so you're WRONG’#then consider im not wrong. that's just how severe it is here for me to be saying it#like idk I can’t stand this narrative anyway of taking away from the original problem to instead have a pissing contest about it#so this will probs be the last I speak about it#but it’s super interesting and it can’t hurt to know more about especially with the prevalence of americacentrism#which is why I responded so harshly to anon to begin with bc like really?#you saw ONE POST that wasn’t about america or american problems and got upset. be serious rn#ask
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Daredevil (1964) #163
#it’s strange to see Bruce frame getting cured as a way to give to the Hulk peace#or even just to describe him as tortured#it’s not that there’s never been any stories where Bruce is empathetic to the Hulk#but it seems to me that the overwhelming majority is more understanding of the ways that the Hulk has negatively impacted his life#or the lives of the people around him#and doesn’t really acknowledge the Hulk as a person much less a person that struggles#seperate from Bruce- the idea that curing Bruce of the Hulk would be a happy ending for the Hulk is also just awkward#because it seems clear to me as a reader that that would mean making the Hulk not exist anymore#and that a real happy ending for the Hulk would be him being helped to live a satisfying life as he already exists#but obviously not everyone sees it that way because a lot of stories seem to narratively rely on the idea that the Hulk should be cured#like characters who have positive relationships with the Hulk expressing that Bruce not being cured is tragic#or stories that are clearly written with the expectation that Bruce failing to be cured is a tragic moment#and it’s not that it’s not entirely#because Bruce is very much a sympathetic character#but the Hulk is the one I’m more personally attached to#so Bruce being successfully cured would literally be a really sad story for me#I think that part of the tragedy of this character is that there isn’t a clear cut simple happy ending to root for#which is part of why I think he’s so conceptually well-constructed for ongoing comic book publication#marvel#bruce banner#my posts#comic panels
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hold on, are people making ‘doomed by the narrative’ posts about stories that don’t even actively acknowledge the narrative as a force affecting the characters?
#vt.talk#not sure if that’s the best way to word it but if so#people do realize that if you’re saying a character is doomed by the narrative in a story where it either#1) doesn’t acknowledge it’s a story (like all the characters assume they’re living in reality)#or 2) there is no fictional story in the story itself that mirrors what’s happening in the plot and thus makes it seem like the characters#are going according to that in verse story#it legitimately does not make sense to say a character was doomed by the narrative?#oh ig a better way to put it is: is the narrative an active character in the story? if no it doesn’t make sense to say it’s doom#just call it fate. I bet these stories probably have more references to fate in story than they do the narrative anyway
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been chewing on my Yukiko SLink thoughts for literal weeks and while I’m torn on a lot of elements, I think my biggest Thing about its central conflict is the way Yukiko is never actually afforded an opportunity open up about and to work through her feelings about taking over the inn with said community.
#I’ve been listening to some analysis of p4 that is coming specifically from Japanese YouTubers#so I think there’s definitely a cultural lens of prioritising collectivism over rigid individualism#my view is that if p4 is ALREADY being subversive by arguing that one must acknowledge the truths you’ve buried#otherwise they stand to harm yourself and others (because in avoiding them you ignore the ways in which they affect yourself#and thus the world around you)#and both within the ludonarrative and. literal narrative. one gains strength and resolve by openly engaging with those around us and#forming genuine bonds#doesn’t it stand to reason that this should extend to yukiko and her wider support system#even if she stands to possibly disappoint them?#like nominally souji is THERE. but his nature as a silent protagonist effectively makes him a soundboard to yukiko working out these#conflicts kinda. alone. yknow?#tunes talks persona#ehhhh maybe ‘alone’ overstates it. but idk. I just feel that the way her SLink is structured lends itself to being read as yukiko#processing her conflicts without Really confiding in anyone she stands to disappoint#and then yay? the conclusion she comes to allows her to not disappoint anyone?
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musings because i can’t stop developing cleo
cannot believe i’ve never contemplated how cleo feels about death as a concept. loss is such an important part of her character and yet i’ve never thought about her own relationship with death. i know what i’m pondering tonight boys
i think she’d be scared of dying. really scared. she’s seen it happen to so many people. never once has she wanted to die, but given the opportunity she would’ve taken her sister’s place in a heartbeat. i think that makes her mindset more impactful. she’s been doing everything in her power to survive despite everything.
and she’s so vulnerable compared to her companions. she has to be more careful than them in terms of monitoring her exposure to the infection. because she isn’t like them. if she breathes too much rot she’ll actually fully turn.
blah blah v and jo are physically marked by the infection and serve as persistent terrible reminders that break the veil of normalcy in domestic moments or something like that
cleo has never once wanted to die. she has never stopped trying to survive, and i think that’s why she’s made it so long. she’s gotten lucky sure, but she’s also made decisions in the past that put aside her comfort for her own survival. once the cult wasn’t safe anymore, she fled. she joined v and jo because she felt threatened and because it was objectively safer with them. she has fought, ran, bargained, pleaded, lied, and confessed in situations where it would’ve been easiest and least painful to just gice up and hide away until she starved to death. all to live.
she’s so persistent. that’s one of her best qualities. no matter what happens to her or the world around her she keep going. she will do whatever it takes to keep living.
but god does she need combat training. last time jo tried to rope her into training they ended up playing just dance for 3 hours. they both sucked.
someday i’ll stop needlessly fleshing out this character more. i mean cmon i have her parents professions figured out this is getting ridiculous. she does not have an age tho i didn’t even realize that. because like. when we first made the guys we had like general ages. not like V would like remember and i fully believe that jo would just forget normally. never picked a number. never really settled right. i’d say cleo is no older than 20, since she was in her first year of college at the time of the outbreak iirc. i don’t remember if she ever took a gap year or whatever.
man please know that she will still try to talk her way out of everything ever (learned skill from cas) despite the first meeting writing done by the lad she was so out of it at that time she was like peak pathetic.
i think she steals normal shit around the base. she deffo stashes food when she first moves in w undeadduo. imagine going to take a shower and u open the towel cabinet and 3 cans of pineapple fall onto your foot in rapid succession.
zero idea how i missed this. she’s like 18-19 at the start of the apox then. the age i’ll be my first year of college just so i can keep it straight in my head.
picks her up by the back of her cloak like one would scruff a cat. she yells “WOAH WHATS OVER THERE” and you do not fall for it but she kicks you in the balls and hides under the couch.
a lot of these rant posts r me trying to get my character consistent because she changes so much in my brain. i am going to chalk it up to emotional versatility that stems from emotional guy has to oppress emotions for survival
the second she has any space to breathe she’s going to actually lose it
but also like a side effect of developing the fuck out of her is that i feel like i keep front and centering her. but she’s the only character that’s mine so tf else am i supposed to do other than front and center her. i just post a lot sharing pretty much every step of her development and story in these exposition dumps that’s the only difference really.
it’s collaborative so i can’t go and change the world every time i want. but i can think about and develop her because she’s the more independent aspect of the project. i do what i want ig fiwb
#cvsays#final lives au#sorry i keep like doing this i just can’t sit still even when creating#it’s like if i have this thing in front of me for a long time i have to keep tweaking it and adding to it or i’ll get bored#i’ve been doing this consistently for a really long time#and it’s just difficult sometimes#i have never wanted to control any narrative outside of cleo’s#shit how much is acknowledged in canon is entirely up to the others#genuinely it’s up to you guys how much your characters know about cleo’s situation#and it’s even more up to you how much you engage w it. how involved you are#i’m so worried about forcing a story onto someone#everyone deserves equal opportunity but doesn’t have any obligation to use said opportunity to contribute#i’ve written so many integral parts of the world and i feel genuinely bad about it#i’ve always gotten so happy and excited when the others add to their characters or the world or timeline#this world and these characters are important. i’ve loved taking a step back from the tower and seeing how it holds up#never once have i wanted to pressure anyone into or out of contributing#i just take things and i run with them. and i keep running even when everyone else in the race has stopped to take a breather#i don’t even know what i’m taking about anymore it’s near 1am and i took a melatonin a half hour ago
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#‘so tired of hearing how two men can be close platonic friends without romantic feelings’#sounds like you have an issue with ryan and not other on the fandom that are choosing to actually acknowledge what he’s saying#instead of pointedly ignoring it like many others are doing lmao#feel whatever way you want about what ryan says (believe me i have somewhat complicated feelings about it)#but trying to make this about other shippers instead of one of the actors that plays one half of the pairing is ignorant#hell oliver said some version of this a few weeks back too but of course everybody pointedly ignored that as well lmao#anyway#that one post is going around that’s trying to paint some shippers in a bad light when they’re just actually choosing to listen to ryan#instead of ignoring him because it doesn’t fit your narrative lmao
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