#and no their canonical child does not exist i dont like him.
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happy valentimes i went and dug up a bunch of my old mlp nextgens to redesign after many many years
#mlp#mlp fim#my little pony#mlp nextgen#mlp ship kid#rarijack#cheespie#pinkiedash#lyrabon#octascratch#forte was a joint character between me and a friend who i wanted to do a fresh take on as well#pinkie is with cheese and rd bc she has multiple hooves#sorry for cheesepie crimes i liked them a lot before i saw him just as weird als ponysona#and no their canonical child does not exist i dont like him.#did you know that in the mlp gameloft app lyra is implied to also have joined bon bons secret agency and theyre like a spy couple.#this is their Spy Kid#i can never just draw a simple thing anymrore i have to draw like 7 guys at a time
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thinking about how milevens tend to assume that bylers want mileven to break up just because we want byler to happen.
no love
wanting byler to be canon and wanting mileven to break up are two separate wants.
Mike and El have their own story outside of will. Even if Mike wasn't queer and Will wasnt around this story would still be their story. Will may be a character in their story but the story is still about mike and el. Mike and Els story line is the marriage of the two of their two individual character arcs.
El's story arc is based around the fact that she was abused as a child and was dehumanized to an extreme level that no child should ever experience. She does not have an identity of her own. She wasn't raised to even expect to have one in the first place. Her story is learning to be able to her own person. To just be herself and learning who that person is.
When she met mike she created an identity around him. and identity of being the super powered mage who saved the day. that was El. then she became mikes gf and suddenly she was now "mikes gf". It wasnt until she met max that someone actually tells her that she is allowed to be her own person. "theres more to life than stupid boys" "what feels right" before Max she was just existing trying to play a role of what she was supposed to be rather than figuring out who she was or who she wanted to be. What she wanted. El is not raised to have wants. El was raised to be a weapon, a lab rat, a tool that does what they are told.
When this story intersects with a story arc like Mike has you get the disaster that is Mileven.
Mikes story arc is actually very similar. Mike is a very codependent person. He wants to feel needed. he wants to feel useful. If he doesnt have a use to someone he thinks he must be a waste of space. Mike doesnt know who he is outside of other people. He has never explored what he wants for himself. He is for other people. As a codependent person myself i can relate to this a lot. It can be hard to know what YOU want for yourself, outside of people you care about. Mike puts his loved ones before himself so much to the fact that it tends to get him into trouble more often than not. The issue with being codependent is that you become almost blind to who YOU are and what YOU need. you suppress your emotions for other people and these emotions only tend to surface when you realize that holy shit. i cant do anything here. This is the situation mike is finding himself in during season 4 and continuing into season 5. there is nothing he can do anymore. it is clear that him putting el above his own feelings and giving her what she wants in his attempt to help is not working. In fact its HURTING his relationship with el. Now mike doesnt know what to do. so he's drifting. El was his trauma partner. when things get too hard and too confusing he retreats into "el mode" where his only thought is what El needs. This is not a healthy mindset AT ALL. no matter how much the media romanticizes that sort of thing. IT IS NOT HEALTHY. you cant live like that. but now El has communicated "i dont want that. stop lying and get your shit together".
so mike is stuck. and el is stuck.
because theirs is a coming of age story. however not all coming of age stories are romantic. Mike and El cannot communicate with each other. they are both selfishly selfless in the way they treat each other.
I am going to be who you want me to be because i think thats what you want and it makes me feel secure.
this is not something you want in a relationship. a relationship is based on trust and vulnerability. being able to be youre rawest and truest form of yourself for another person. and feeling seen and loved despite it.
this is not present AT ALL in mileven as a couple. they are both discovering who they are still and are not space to be doing that in a relationship where they feel the need to hide themselves from each other. you cant find yourself that way.
wow look how much nuance i pulled from mike and el without mentioning will once. wow its almost like will is not the reason their relationship is failing
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i dont think ive made a ramble post about isabeau so here is a ramble post about isabeau
bro is THE most emotionally mature member of the team. like bonnie is a literal child, odile has trouble with half the emotional spectrum, mirabelle is consistently on the verge of a panic attack and siffrin is... (gestures around in their general direction) That. Going Through It. so like isabeau is without argument the most emotionally mature and available member of their party.
does this mean he is perfect and his entire life is all rainbows and glitter? HELL NO and not just because rainbows probably dont exist* (*they exist but they arent... color... right...?)
we know isa has had some self-worth and exploration issues growing up. though he's in a much better place now, and tbh still more consistently healthy in terms of emotion than any other party member, he does still fear if continuing to change and grow will cause him to lose what is dear to him (with siffrin being no small example of that). it's something he's still coming to terms with in some ways; change is destruction, and to move forward means to inevitably leave some things behind. but that doesnt mean he wants to lose the connections he's made leading up to this point either.
his entire backstory isnt really touched upon (to be fair, is anyone's? maybe bonnie's the most, but they're like 12, there's only so much to have recounted in their life so far.) iirc, adrienne has mentioned isabeau having siblings and im fairly certain it's either canon or popularized that he's a middle child (re: commonly forgotten and overlooked role in the household. source: i am a middle child :,) ). his exploration with transitioning and growing into more of the person he wants to be is clear, but going off of hc of his home life and mixes of adrienne's q&a answers, he was an afterthought among his household more often than not. then he strikes out on his bravery alone, becoming a defender, and ultimately losing those connections w other defenders too when he is the only one to pursue the quest to stop the king at mirabelle's side.
isabeau has spent his Entire Life having to leave things behind and destroy parts of his lifestyle that he's known to move forward, but when he meets the party, it's the closest he's ever been to anyone (and THIS much IS canon; the party members' relationships are the closest they've ever been to Anyone, save for some other family members like Nille to Bonnie, or Odile to her father, and presumably Siffrin to their guardians, etc). what does he have left, if not them? who does he have left, if not them?
let the man know some joy for a while
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stop calling mephone4 a child.
my credentials(/silly): mephone4’s biggest fan + someone who sees mephone as representative of myself. i am also an autistic adult. (relevant)
i went on an autistic tirade rambling about this in a discord server but i wanted to compile my reasoning and stuff here into a tumblr post because this is very important to me.
alright. lets start with the most commonly used argument.
calling mephone a child is ableist.
now i certainly agree that some children CAN act the way mephone does. however, i think it’s harmful when your ONLY argument as to why he is a child is ‘because he cant spell’ or ‘because he creates fantasy worlds in his brain as a means of escapism.’
I think the issue is, we are reducing these very real symptoms of mental disorders to ‘oh he’s just acting childish,’ instead of understanding them for what they are. autism and dyslexia are not cured the second you turn 18. it doesn’t work that way. giving in to the stereotype that only children can act this way… i dunno man. it really rubs me the wrong way.
i think it’d be better to view him as an adult with these symptoms because, well, VERY rarely do we ever get representation of an adult with mental disorders in media. at least not in a way that’s not villainizing them or mocking/infantilizing them. (sidebar, mephone IS NOT THE VILLAIN. he did bad things, yes, and should be held accountable for it, but he is NOT. THE VILLAIN. he is an abuse victim, and his way of acting is actually very good representation of the way abuse victims may go on to mimic actions of their abuser.) cobs (mephone’s abuser btw) LITERALLY infantilizes mephone IN CANON. IN THE SHOW. WHY ARE YOU LISTENING TO COBS. WHY ARE YOU ACTING LIKE COBS.
bro didnt go to school
i didnt know how to title this section. basically, people reducing him to a child because he doesn’t know adult things are MISSING THE POINT.
HE WAS RAISED BY COBS.
do you think cobs had ANY interest in teaching him ANYTHING about the real world? about how to be an adult? about how to ride a bike or pay taxes? NO. dude popped into existence knowing nothing except what Cobs WANTED him to know. he was meant to just work for Cobs and do tasks all the time and that was IT. OF COURSE his knowledge is going to be limited to what Cobs taught him. that DOES NOT make someone a child. GO REWATCH THE SHOWWWW.
suspend your disbelief for once in your life oh my god
i dont understand how people are able to suspend disbelief for LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE in fiction. such as murder/death, supernatural creatures, the universe itself as a whole, etc. but when it comes to age, the real world standards MUST be applied, no exception. Like since Mephone was canonically created 14 years ago in-universe that means he is 14 years old. we are completely ignoring the fact he is a fictional talking sentient phone robot for a minute.
and adding in the ‘he acts like a child’ argument for a second… season 1. what 1 year old do you know that can walk and talk and create an entire game show?? he has practically acted the EXACT SAME WAY his entire existence, therefore that argument falls completely flat.
it would be DIFFERENT if in-universe they had established rules, where this age means this and that age means that, but the ii universe DOES NOT HAVE THAT. meaning people are free to interpret age however they want. it would ALSO be different if mephone was canonically stated to be a child (we’re getting to that) OR portrayed to be childcoded. which…. he isn’t.
okay so by these rules all of the contestants are younger than mephone.
the agreement amongst child mephone believers seems to be ‘creation date = birth date = real age’. so bot is like 3 years old. the unvitationals are like 2. all the contestants are somewhere between like 4-14. but wait- some season 1 contestants ACT older or younger than the others? no. no theyre ALL 13-14 only. no exceptions. every newbie in season 3 is like 4-5. every newbie in season 2 is like 10. makes perfect sense.
do you understand how ridiculous that is. WE CANNOT , i repeat, CANNOT APPLY REAL WORLD STANDARDS TO A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE. oh my god. they are holograms. they are robots. they are in a weird plane floating in the vastness of space that has a picnic table that can generate food, and the ability to revive dead people, and ghosts and talking corn and. and all of THAT is fine. but god forbid someone interpret the talking phone as an adult. I DONT GET IT.
b-b-but cobs called mephone a child…
once again, common arguement. i strike thee down with a ‘MANIPULATION TACTIC.’ i feel like this has been covered enough and better in other mephone rambles so im not gonna get into it.
personal section
this is more of a personal experiences and opinions thing. less based on fact. agree or disagree idc this is just my experience.
once again, like i stated in the beginning, i see myself in mephone. a lot. I am an adult. i have autism. i have the tendency to act ‘childish’ sometimes due to my condition. im bad at being an adult. i struggle with tasks that are probably easy for other adults. i’m not a child. it’s very disheartening- i WANT to be viewed as an independent functioning adult, despite my condition, but when even a FICTIONAL PHONE who acts just like i do gets reduced to ‘child’ because he acts similarly to someone who’s mentally ill and has been abused. it HURTS MAN. he’s just trying his best:[
anyways conclusion
idc. you can headcanon whatever you want cause technically nothing is confirmed, but this is more food for thought for the people immediately jumping on the ‘child mephone’ bandwagon.
unless someone is canonically stated to be a child or is very heavily child coded, i don’t think its wrong for people to interpret them as an adult.
if sometime in the future mephone is canonically confirmed to be a child like. in universe. ill probably be disappointed.
i am a firm believer in age doesnt work the same way in ii as it does in our universe. theyre all fictional creatures. they were not created by conventional means. you dont have to apply our world’s standards to it.
anyways uhh. ramble over lol
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What are your thoughts on Crowfeather's Trial? I already know how you feel about my other least favorite super editions so I'm curious about your opinions on this one lol
I think at best it's just okay. Like...it feels like they're going "see!! We're holding him accountable!!" But then they just kinda...dont?? Like I didn't feel any differently about Crowfeather by the end than I did when I started. There's parts I like about it but overall it just fell flat for me
Like how am I supposed to like this guy when he's just constantly a dick?? he can't stand Harespring for some reason, there's a moment where he's like "I wish my son was dead" and when Nightcloud goes missing he barely gives a damn and doesn't bother to even try and look for her
Anyways I'll forever be mad that they gave this guy a whole super edition and he'll probably have the most dramatic death ever while Leafpool suffered her entire life (and afterlife) and got killed off screen. Hoping he gets jumped by rats and dies from infection
I'm not a big fan of it. It's one of the better written SEs and has a clear goal in mind, but every time I have to encounter it, it feels like it's sidelining the characters who actually deserve to be explored in favor of Crowfeather Sadboy Whinging.
Breezepelt has 12 books detailing how being mistreated by Crowfeather is making him worse, and showing that social alienation is pushing him towards the Dark Forest. Nightcloud was demonized by the old team even though they wrote Crowfeather deflecting all the blame of Breeze's behavior onto her, giving the new team a great opportunity to correct the mistakes of the old writers... and they decided to focus on Crowfeather instead.
And, mind you, they conveniently leave out massive details about how BADLY Crowfeather was abusing his child.
There's this one part of the book where he learns that Breezepelt broke his leg as a kid and he feels like shit for not remembering it, and it's supposed to be a big moment where Crowfeather realizes he was apathetic and careless. But he WASN'T just apathetic and careless. We see him TEACHING his child xenophobia in order to mock and offend Leafpool, smacking Breezepaw around for being 'rude' (the way Crowf always is), and screeching at him for having basic needs like hunger or rest.
Crowfeather WASN'T just a sad, sad boy who didn't pay attention to his kid because he was too busy pining over Dead Wife. What he did to Breezepelt wasn't just neglect; it was physical and emotional abuse.
The book DOES ultimately hold him responsible for how Breezepelt turned out, yes. But it doesn't properly focus on WHAT made Breeze come out the way he did. It wasn't genes, it wasn't Daddy Not Smile At Me. I can only assume the reason why they didn't address how ghoulish Crowfeather actually was is because they knew that being honest and direct about him abusing his child would make him unsympathetic.
Which is a problem, because, y'know, you can just make it Breezepelt's Trial and NOT have to thread that needle??
And furthermore... the book is trying to show Crowfeather addressing that he's kind of an asshole and moving on from it, earning deputyship as a reward for his growth, but what the book really demonstrates to me is that Crowfeather is a dickhead who actually shouldn't have ANY power at all. I don't understand why people would trust him or want him as their leader. I don't see any reason to think that he would be responsible with the lives of an entire Clan of people.
Before I hear clown shoes; if you think that means I "just don't like" that he would be an ""interesting leader,"" pile yourself back into the car with your 30 other jesters and drive away. I mean that it feels completely wrong that any character in-universe would look at the person who exists in Crowfeather's Trial, and say, "this is a person who would help me effectively rule."
What he does, all-book-long, is show that he's an emotionally unstable loose canon borderline incapable of self-reflection. Other characters have to directly tell him "you should try being less of an asshole" and "maybe be nice to your family sometimes?" while he comes up with bullshit reasons to seethe at every character who wanders into his line of sight.
I massively resent the fact that even Leafpool has to mommy his baby ass towards the end of the book. After he spends a good part of Po3 and OotS finding roundabout ways to snipe at her for not giving him exactly what he wanted. It falls on HER to be the one he can ask for advice on how to fix the family he treated like shit his whole life.
no that's not hyperbole she literally. textually. is compared to his mother.
and he can't even be gracious about it, he's instantly all huffy and offended, completely proving her point. Why the hell would anyone make this guy a deputy? The man needs TWO motherly figures giving him the exact same basic advice and a dedicated super edition before he adjusts his behavior even slightly.
(watch him get Boring Leader Syndrome the minute he inevitably becomes Crowstar, too)
Sooo, in a nutshell;
It's one of the better SEs. unfortunately.
Crowfeather is held accountable for being the problem in his own relationships, thank god
but it doesn't fully hold the actions we SAW in the main series books accountable, seemingly purposefully leaving out the worst things he did.
Another WC book where a male character gets an insane amount of sympathy and rewarding that female characters are NEVER deigned deserving of.
Should have been Breezepelt's story. I strongly dislike how Breeze's "redemption" was based on his shitty dad saying sorry. He deserved an actual character arc struggling with ever trusting WindClan again after they took his dad's judgement about him at face value.
Absolutely awful that Leafpool is killed between books and given a trial where they consider sending her to hell when they finally DO get around to showing how she died, while Crowfeather gets an SE about the whole world holding his hand so he can fix the family he broke in 5 easy steps.
Its biggest problem is that it is about a character whose actions you can go and read about. It doesn't deliver on the setup of 12 books of Crowfeather being an absolute git; it's a good story for the version of Crowfeather the new team seems to have created in their heads.
Doesn't stop me from manifesting him getting an infection and having a Sandstorm-tier disrespectful death in the upcoming series, lmao.
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OK so I dont really like this but this 2012 tmnt mermaid au has been driving me INSANE so here are some mermaid designs for the boys (which I might change if I draw more stuff for this au) and some lore for the au under the cut!
also Donnie is ftm and Leo is mtf and those are the facts! (Donnie did do top surgery on himself, do NOT ask me how he did that underwater safely)
(just a quick note: I am using some japanese mythos for the mermaid part but I'm also being loosey goosey with it alskjdfh)
ALSO slight tw for cannibalism? or like cannibalism adjacent behavior
There is a yokai described in Japanese literature called the ningyo, a creature that is half human and half fish. Legend says that if you capture a ningyo and eat its flesh, that you will be granted eternal life. Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki were familiar with these legends, though Saki always believed in them more than Yoshi. Saki believed in the legends so much that he became obsessed with finding the legendary ningyo and becoming immortal after consuming its flesh. Yoshi accompanied his brother on these ventures, more out of a sense of familiar duty and a need to watch out for his younger brother than an actual belief in the ningyo.
And of course, it just so happens that the brother who does not at all believe in the existence of yokai would be the one to find one. Yoshi encounters Tang Shen, a ningyo who has been living throughout the local freshwater river system. And suddenly Yoshi realizes that Saki's quest for murder might actually come true since apparently these ningyo are very much real. So now whenever he accompanies Saki on his hunting quests, he does everything in his ability to try to dissuade Saki from his plan, and when he realizes that isn't going to work, he starts to sabotage Saki's efforts. And Yoshi does this because well he kept in contact with Tang Shen, and the two became close friends, and son fell in love, bridging the gap between yokai and human.
They can't get married, obviously, Tang Shen is fully a yokai, but they build their lives together and eventually Tang Shen falls pregnant with their daughter Miwa. The two weren't entirely sure what to expect of their child, but Miwa turns out to be a completely normal human child.
Over the years as Yoshi and Tang Shen's love and family grew, Yoshi started pulling away from his birth family, and more noticeably, from Saki, who was you know pretty angry with Yoshi who seemingly disappeared on him with no explanation. Saki channels his anger into his search for the ningyo, and it takes three years but eventually he does finally find one.
Around three years after Miwa was born, Tang Shen and Yoshi welcome in four new kids! Quadruplets! Three boys and a girl. And these four, unlike Miwa, seem to all be fully ningyo, which very much surprised Yoshi and Tang Shen (both the fact that there were four kids and those four kids are all mermaids) but hey, they knew their genetic situation would be weird and they were fully ready to hop into raising these four.
It's only a few days after the birth of their quadruplets, so soon after that they haven't even given them names, that Saki stumbles upon the home of Yoshi and Tang Shen. And He Is Pissed. Not only did his BROTHER ABANDON him but he abandon him to start a family with this yokai? The yokai that he's been hunting all this time? And Saki, like in canon, kills Tang Shen and Miwa. (Or well you know, he kidnaps Miwa and renames her Karai but Yoshi thinks Miwa is dead)
Yoshi manages to get away with the quadruplets in the chaos, and he tries so hard to establish a new life for himself in Japan, but no matter where he goes, Saki manages to find him. Eventually Yoshi gets desperate enough to flee the country, and he finds himself in New York City!
But meanwhile back in Japan, Saki did in fact end up eating Tang Shen but idk how he realizes it but he figures out that he didnt get immortality, and so he concludes that oh, Tang Shen must have been tainted somehow by her relationship with Yoshi, which sucks because now he has to find a whole other ningyo to get immortality. Luckily he happens to know of four ningyo that he would be more than happy to kill, which is basically Saki's drive to finding and killing the Hamatos.
Anyways that's all I have so far!!!! I'm trying to think about how they would live in NYC, if they can somehow become human (in maybe like an H2O just add water situation) or if they are stuck in the water all the time.
I'm leaning towards them being able to shed their fish tails if even only for a small amount of time, just so they can still be ninjas and train on land, since I think Yoshi would still want to train them to defend themselves. I think that if they can be human for a bit, they still get dried out really easily so they can't stay out of the water for very long, probably not long enough for them to go to school full time, so they still live super isolated lives. Or maybe Yoshi figures out a way to train them to fight in the water? Idk suggestions are appreciated!
They do eventually meet April and Casey, I think April is gonna be on the swim team and so she's a fairly strong swimmer (for a human) and so she spends a lot of time in the water with the hamatos which they appreciate a lot! I think maybe Yoshi isn't a super strong swimmer so as much as he tries to spend time with his kids he can't really.
Casey is still on the hockey team and he can't swim, the hamatos try to teach him but they fully dont know how to swim with legs and so they are Bad tm swimming teachers salkdjfh.
#my art#tmnt#tmnt 2012#2012 tmnt#tmnt 2k12#2k12 tmnt#tmnt leo#tmnt leonardo#tmnt raph#tmnt raphael#tmnt donnie#tmnt donatello#tmnt mikey#tmnt michelangelo
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people dont actually believe that theo killed his sister, do they?
like okay. the entire pack and probably theo himself think that hes responsible for her death, but the pack hates him and doesnt trust him for valid reasons and theo is traumatized and holds guilt over her death so hes probably convinced himself that he did kill her. i just dont believe thats true.
in s5b when hes with stiles in the tunnels (i forgot why they're down there but whatever) and stiles tells him "oh yeah, the guy that killed his own sister when he was nine?" and theo argues back "yeah. i was nine. i had no idea what was going on." and that he also still believed santa exists so obviously he believed the dread doctors when they told him she wanted him to have his heart.
first of all: this is s5b. hes long dropped his act and he has no reason to lie in this moment. he knows that stiles wont fall for his lies and hes stopped lying and transitioned into threatening and intimidating anyway. theres no good reason for theo to lie to stiles here: theres no actual benefit that would come from that.
and his behavior points towards him telling the truth. instead of deflecting or making a joke, or any of the stuff he usually does to get his way, he starts explaining and defending himself. he seems almost agitated that stiles claims that he did kill tara and argues why he didnt.
and ofc stiles doesnt believe him and tells him "i think you pushed her. i think you liked it." which is, sorry, utter bullshit. i understand why stiles says this (yk. theo killed his bffie and all that) but i think stiles is purposely turning everything that he knows about theo into something evil. he doesnt want to believe that theo was a victim of his circumstances, because that would make him human, that would explain why he became the person that he is. its easier to fall back onto the "hes just purely evil" argument, because then he can hate theo for what he did.
stiles is smart. thats his whole thing. thats his whole thing with theo, that he was "smart enough not to trust him" as theo says to the sheriff in s6a. stiles knows that theo was a child, that its likely that theo got manipulated and groomed by the dread doctors. but, i think, he decides not to care about that, to ignore that. he hates theo and he wants to hate theo, but if he starts looking at the reasons for why he did what he did, he'll begin to understand him. and while he'll still never forgive theo, that will reduce this fury he has for him because, newsflash, theo was a CHILD.
people argue that tw doesnt show us enough of his back story to back this up and yeah, i kinda agree. we dont get enough of his story because teen wolf ALWAYS does this. with every character. they insinuate something, they start something interesting that could give their characters depth and then they abandon it and its like the characters just forget about it. all this show has is small details for fans to focus on if you want to analyze anything, because this show is objectively not good enough to actually do that.
+ theo is a side character. he wasnt even meant to stay as long as he did and cody did his best to work with the material. if your argument is that theres missing context and only vaguely shown stuff, im sorry but thats so stupid. thats not a good argument for in canon. "oh but we never see theo do this or that" HES A SIDE CHARACTER. he wasnt even supposed to come back! and tw is not a very good show! obviously they added more depth to his character in s6 because cody came back. like yeah theres stuff that doesnt make sense (like the show saying he didnt have a heart condition), because his back story got added as an afterthought in s6. you cant only look at s5 and judge his character based on that. his depth comes from s6 and its not the characters fault that the show has bad writing.
and if you simply dont like theo, cool. i dont like a bunch of characters in tw. but i find this argument that hes actually evil and deserved getting tortured and whatever exhausting and annoying.
if you dont have empathy for his character in s6 bc you just hate him, fine. i dont care. but if you're talking about this in a more analytical way? fuck off. he was a child, the show points towards him getting groomed and abused by the dread doctors and guess what? even during his villain arc, hes still a child. yes he should take responsibility for what he did, im not excusing any of that stuff. but theres reasons for why he did all that.
and again, dumb tv logic reasons, but most of the villains getting away unscathed, fucking peter hale and deucalion being allowed to just kinda wander around while theo is in an eternal time loop of torture? like this technically erases the packs rule of not killing because i dont think its weird for me to argue that getting non-stop tortured without the ability to die is objectively worse than actually dying. and yeah, tv logic, but if you think that (in canon, not just bc you personally dont like theo) he deserved that, idk. weird. very weird.
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The first time that y / n interacts with toji he basically sexually assaults her, do you think that he has the capacity to take advantage of someone in that way? I dont mean to offend you when asking this, because I look up to you a lot as someone who writes very well. But I think that this facet of a character being brought up is very interesting, because people don't really like to talk about how sometimes their favorite characters (that are canonically bad people) can do bad things that aren't just killing other people. Their favorite characters can do bad things like raping people. And I think it's really interesting how you picked up on that, I guess this is my long winded way up asking you to expand upon it because I really appreciate the thoughtfulness put into the way you write these characters.
I want to preface this by saying this is my opinion from my character studies. I don’t want to debate or argue with anyone about his character and why he is the way he is. Now on to the long response.
No offense taken at all. Toji is such an interesting character because he’s very realistically human. It’s going to take me delving into his character to answer this. Toji was created in a horrifying environment (Zenin clan) that had no respect for women or life. He was born and trained to be a killer of curses and people alike. He was told he was nothing because he lacked powers a sorcerer would have while being told he was still better than women and non-Zenin’s. Talk about a chaotic and confusing environment. Despite it all, miraculously, he fell in love and forsook everything he was taught growing up. He clearly respected and loved Mamaguro. He went straight and narrow and stopped being a hit man for her. Unfortunately, they lived happily ever is not the way this story ends.
In the second phase of Toji’s life, post mamaguro he falls into a deep depression where he forsakes any and all things that made him human. He refuses to consciously let himself care about anyone (including himself) because he can’t take the agony of losing someone he loves again like that. He shows this to the point where he has moments where he “forgets” Megumi exists. He falls back on what he was taught growing up and feeds his darker emotions. He’s known as the sorcerer killer, and he shows his total disregard for life by killing Kuroi a completely unnecessary death in the hidden inventory because he didn’t care enough to hold back. He takes a job to murder a child (Riko) because he wants to stick it to sorcerer society. He’s self destructive and kills just to drink and gamble all the money away. He’s also according to Gege a womanizer that sleeps with older more wealthy women for money.
Here’s the thing a lot of people refuse to see. Toji doesn’t have to do any of these things; he chooses to. If he truly wanted to destroy sorcerer society he could have. He could have wiped out the Zenin clan easily. If he wanted to just gamble and drink 24/7 he could rob banks or the rich. Instead he chooses to debauch himself and sink into every indecent thing he knows; it’s like an advanced form of self harm. He drinks to forget what a piece of shit he is now and to forget what he’s lost (mamaguro) and what he’s running from (Megumi). While killing, strategizing, and gambling for a brief high. He has moments of clarity, right before he dies and when he sells Megumi off, but those are few and far between.
So back to the original question. Does Toji have the capacity to sexually assault someone? Rape someone? In my opinion, Absolutely. He would do it, enjoy basking in the animalistic side of it and absolutely despise himself for doing it afterwards.
Why do I think this? He degrades and abuses Suguru (a child) and enjoys it. He’s sadistic and enjoys mocking and beating him when he’s already knocked out. He only doesn’t murder him because it would be inconvenient to deal with the curses Suguru holds in his body. Toji has proven he knows right from wrong and that he doesn’t have to be a hit man to survive. He’s already done these things before and is choosing not to.
All these factors considered he can and does still choose to hold back or be a “good” person at times. He acknowledges he’s a shit father by selling off Megumi saying he’s better off that way despite knowing how bad it is even to the blessed. He holds back from murdering the man he bumped at the gambling salon because it wasn’t worth the effort. He doesn’t kill the Zenin clan because he still cares about them despite everything. Finally, he sacrifices his life for his son at the end of it all.
Gege is a master character creator when he takes the time to (allowed creative time and freedom to). Which is what makes Toji such a fun character to write. He has shown the capacity to be good and evil. He has the capacity to change if someone gives enough of a fuck and if he allows it.
Thank you for the question and you’ll have to see how our YN fares in this next arc. ☺️
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In honour of the new aftg omegaverse au stuffs blowing up, I neeeeeed your thoughts and feelings on it all
hi hi ^-^ omegaverse extremely fun to me and the thing i love about it with aftg the most is that there's so much range and different ways you can work with it. also because while there are staples to worldbuilding a lot of it is dealer's choice! here's a quick run down of how id separate the aftg characters by subgender
alphas: andrew, allison, dan, kevin, wymack, bee
betas: riko, matt, seth, katelyn, abby
omegas: aaron, nicky, neil, renee, jean
anyway im just gonna spew some andreil hcs and world building at you so enjoy.
my favorite part to work with personally is the omegaverse idea of dominance cus its soo interesting to me. obviously the whole wolves have alphas and omegas study was debunked ages ago, but there are still a ton of dominant and submissive actions meant to make living within a pack less tumultuous. that's why i like the existence of commands because its so interesting to think about Why they would evolve to exist. strongest alpha must be listened to so that pack tensions don't exist? a way to make sure the strongest alpha always has access to a mate for ruts? humans are still social animals in omegaverse so competition for resources is the main reason a dominance hierarchy would exist (with things like commands) and the most important resource (wrt evolution) is a mate. it would make sense for the main form of sexual selection in omegaverse to be scent, but the existence of mating bonds and marks would imply that they're evolving from a species that had a pair bonded mating system (think wolves vs chimps).
this is also why i like making neil a lone wolf / feral omega. he doesn't respond to traditional showings of dominance (like commands) because his pack and bonding instincts are Fucked (courtesy of mary). it's also because i wanted a way to showcase how much of a stubborn asshole he is in canon. too often neil is made an omega and then is suddenly a submissive character...as if andrew wasnt like "you'll just learn to do what i say" and then got walked like a dog by neil for 3 books. also andrew does not use commands at all despite being an extremely strong alpha bcus commands were used against him as a child. the fact that he'll never be able to command neil even on accident is a huge relief to him and a big part of why they're able to get together eventually.
scenting is used as a bonding activity And an affirmation of pack hierarchy, you also have the additional reading of emotions which is so fun when you place neil repressed josten and andrew apathetic minyard in the same room. since scenting is used as a pack bonding experience, neil did Not grow up with it and was eventually forbidden from it by mary. this means he's supperr sensitive to scenting (turns into goo basically) but i dont think he'd be comfortable being vulnerable until baltimore within the aftg timeline. andrew is still not a fan of touch but he regularly scents his packmates as a way to ward off others and bcus hes a protective possessive little shit. since neil refuses to be scented by andrew despite joining his pack post kathy, andrew ends up giving him a lot of his (heavily scented) clothes. neil is sitting there like wow this probably won't awaken anything in me (wrong).
when it comes to heats and ruts neil presented early (at ten and partly the catalyst for mary running) and andrew presented late (post juvie probably around 15-16?). both presenting late and early are indications of a high stress / traumatic environment as a child, andrew was dreading presenting but thought he got away with being a beta (not so). neil's early presentation meant mary got started Early on the internalized hatred and rejection of his instincts. personally im a fan of heats and ruts being a loss of control and rational thought becausd it's like what if you were at your most vulnerable and it ended up being okay. andrew joins neil for his heats early into their relationship (separation anxiety real) but he's not comfortable with neil joining his ruts until way later, probably towards the end of his time at palmetto. ruts and heats dont necessarily need to be sexual i just think its more fun that way ngl.
anyway gonna cut myself off here...omegaverse so fun...so fresh...we must forget shame and continue getting freaky with it...
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here is a conversation me and a friend ive been influencing had
DRINKING THE EMO POTION AT 3 AM (MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE VENTING??) *GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL GONE FREAK*
FREAK IERO DID WHAT AT 3 AM???? (MR BREAST APPEARANCE)
PETEKEY IS REAL?!?! (AMONG US VENTING?) *GONE EXTREMELY SEXUAL*
EATING FRANK OREOS AT 3 AM??? IMPOSTER VENTED *GONE HOMOSEXUAL*
GAY PEOPLE EXIST??? *GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL* (MR BREAST X KSI X LOGAN PAUL???)
FRANK OREOS ARE MADE OF WHATTT?! (EXPOSED) *GONE WRONG*
FRANK OREOS ARE MADE OF WHO?! PT 2 *LUNCHLY COLLAB???*
FRANK OREO X LUNCHLY COLLAB FOR SQUID GAME SEASON 2 *GONE GAY*
GERARD WAY LIKES WHO??? *GAY?!* (FT FRANK IERO)
FRERARD EXPOSED?!? *GONE SEXUAL, GONE KINKY*
DONT TRY THE FRERARD CHALLENGE AT 3 AM *GONE SEXUAL*
FRANK IERO GOES ONE SECOND WITHOUT GERARD WAY (WATCH TILL THE END CUZ IT GETS CRAZY) *GONE INSANE*
TRYING THE GAY RAINBOW POTION AT 3 AM *GONE WRONG, GONE SUS*
PETE WENTZ DID WHAT?? TO MIKEY?!!???! *HE VENTED??!!! EXPOSED*
WHOS THE IMPOSTER CHALLENGE AT 3AM (FRINK, GERAWR, MILKY WAY, RAY TORNADO) *GAY SEX??*
WHOS THE HETERO (ODD ONE OUT) *FT MY BIOLOGICAL ROMANCE* *GONE SEXUAL*
DONT DO THE GAY CHALLENGE AT 3 AM (FT. MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE, KSI, P DIDDY) *GONE WRONG, GONE SUS, GONE SEXUAL.*
*CALLING GERARD WAY AT 3AM CHALLENGE* (HE ANSWERED???)
DONT READ KINKY FRERARD SMUT AT 3 AM CHALLENGE *IMPOSSIBLE*
DONT EAT FRANK OREOS. (GERARD AND FRANK DID WHAT TO MAKE THEM?!?!) *GONE INSANE*
DESTROYA RECORDING BEHIND THE SCENES!! (THEY DID *WHAT*???) *GONE SEXUAL*
STRAIGHT MAN COMES OUT AFTER GERARD DOES WHAT TO HIM?? *GONE HOMO*
DONT DO THE DESTROYA CHALLENGE AT 3 AM! (FT. P DIDDY.) *GONE SEXUAL*
SUMMONING FREAKY MIKEY AT 3 AM CHALLENGE *DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME*
GERARD SIGHTING CONFIRMED?!?! *GONE WRONG*
FRANK DID *WHAT* ON 11TH SEPTEMBER 2001 (EXPOSED)
USING SATANIC RITUAL TO SUMMON MR. BREAST (FT. MCR) *GONE WRONG, GONE SEXUAL*
MR. BREAST DID WHAT IN SQUID GAMES SEASON 2?! (WATCH UNTIL THE END!)
MR BREAST CLONE GETS WHAT HE DESERVES (FEATURING AMONGUS IMPOSTER MAKING OUT WITH KSI, MCR GANGBANG FOOTAGE)
MCR5 ANNOUNCED!!
[ACTUALLY? - no i wish - aw :((( u got me excited]
MCR NO CLIPPED INTO BACKROOMS?! (THE IMPOSTER VENTED?!) *GONE WRONG, GONE SEXUAL*
TRY NOT TO GET FREAKY CHALLENGE AT 3 AM (FEATURING GERARD WAY OF EMO BAND)
GERARD WAY EXPOSED FOR GETTING FREAKY WITH HIS BROTHER??? (FRANK IERO REACTION)
WAYCEST FOOTAGE RELEASED?! (KSI & MR. BREAST REACTS?!) *WATCH TILL THE END, GONE WRONG, KSI AND MR. BREAST MADE OUT?!*
WHAT IS WAYCEST?? (ANALYSIS BY PETE WENTZ) *HE GOT SOOOO JEALOUS GONE SEXUAL*
GERARD CHEATED ON FRANK WITH MIKEY?! (WAYCEST CONFIRMED) *GONE INSANE, FRANK DID WHAT WHEN HE FOUND OUT?!?!*
GERARD WAY EXPOSED FOR WHAT HE DID TO MAKE DESTROYA (FBI FOOTAGE) *WITH MIKEY NOT FRANK????*
RAY TORO EXPOSED AS A WOMAN??? *IMPOSTER SUS AMOGUS APPEARANCE* (HE LOVES CUPCAKES)
GERARD WAY PUT IN PRISON BY THE FBI?! (THEY DID WHAT TO HIM IN PRISON?!) *GONE WRONG, GAY SEX FOOTAGE*
FRANK IERO COMMITS CRIME TO BE WITH THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON (REAL FOOTAGE) *GONE SEXUAL GONE KINKY*
MIKEY BREAKS GERARD OUT OF PRISON! (PART I) *HE LEFT FRANK BEHIND?! WATCH TILL THE END.*
PETE WENTZ IS THE IMPOSTER??? (PRISON GUARD STORIES WITH PATRICK STUMP, EXPOSES THE PRISON BREAK, FRANK IN DEPRESSION)
MIKEY DID WHAT TO FRANK?! (100% CANON) *FRANK GOT IN THE WAY OF WAYCEST?!*
FRANK OREO CALLS BACK 69420 UNITS AFTER NEWS OF FAKE SEMEN IN OREOS SPREADS (HE LIED????? FT GERARD AND MIKEY WAY)
911 REENACTMENT?! (FT. MCR, KSI) *FBI GOT INVOLVED?! THE END IS CRAZY!*
NEW GERARD GAY AND FRANK IERO COURT CASE FOOTAGE (DIVORCE AFTER AFFAIR WITH BROTHER??) *GONE SEXUAL GONE WRONG*
RAY TORO HOOKS UP WITH FRANK IERO?! (THEY DID WHAT TO EACH OTHER?!) *GONE SEXUAL, GONE KINKY*
MCR DOES WHAT FOR A LIVING??? (EXPOSED) *TRIGGER WARNING: KINKY SEX*
GERARD AND MIKEY NAMED THEIR CHILD AFTER WHAT????!!! (FRANK IERO REACTION) *SUS IMPOSTER AMOGUS VENT GAYYYY* #YOUDIDNOTSEETHISCOMING
FULL FRANK, MIKEY AND GERARD LOVE TRIANGLE ANALYSIS! (RAY TORO SPEAKS) *TRIGGER WARNING: SENSITIVE TOPICS SUCH AS INCEST, GORE, KINKY SEX ACTS*
FRANK IERO EXPOSED AFTER CATFISHING GERARD AS MIKEY WAY!!!! (INTERVIEW FROM PRISON)
CORRUPT GOVERNMENT DOES WHAT?? (FT DR DEATH DEFYING) (KILLJOYS ORIGINAL CHANNEL) *GONE SEXUAL*
KSI REACTS TO FRANK IERO EXPOSED! (HE WANTED TO DO WHAT?!) *GONE WRONG*
NEW DESTROYA NETFLIX SERIES ANNOUNCED??? *INCLUDES A TUTORIAL* (FT JOJO SIWA!!!)
GERARD WAY DROPS A DISS TRACK ON FRANK IERO (CONFESSES HIS LOVE TO HIS BROTHER) *OFFERS A THREESOME?!!??!*
DESTROYA NETFLIX SERIES EXPOSED!!! (WAYCEST SEX SCENES?!) *FRANK DID WHAT WHEN HE FOUND OUT?!*
FRANK SAYS HES GONNA DO WHAT TO GERARD???? (TW: BONDAGE, SADOMASOCHISM, KINKY SEX)
[MIKEY OFFERED TO WATCH FRANK?!?! (HE ACCEPTED?!) *GONE WRONG, GONE SEXUAL. TRIGGER WARNING: KINKY SEX ACTS, POSSIBLE VIOLENCE*]
FREAK OREO EXPOSED AS A FRAUD?????? (GERARD WAY SPEAKS OUT AGAINST ABUSE)
MCR SHOWERS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 50 YEARS (FRANK, GERARD, MIKEY DID WHAT?? RAY WATCHED!!!) *KINKY SHOWER SEX, VERY GAY*
MIKEY WAY RAPED PETE WENTZ?!?! (GERARD WAY WATCHED?!) *GONE SEVERELY WRONG.*
PETE WENTZ SPEAKS OUT IN DESTROYA NETFLIX SERIES (MIKEY WAY EXPOSED!!) TW: SA, KINKY SEX, GAY*
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WPS Boys' Birthdays
making a post for this in case people have Thoughts, but: Depending on whether you consider WPS canon, the birthdays for furuya, hiro, matsuda, hagi and date can be narrowed down to 6 months (give or take) of the year, between beginning of october and end of march:
the police academy course for university graduates in Japan is apparently only 6 months long. and
Conan straight up says WPS is a story about boys who joined the police academy "in the spring" (narration at the start of WPS), so even if we give it a margin of doubt, they joined around late March tops. But-
Conan plainly states that the police academy primarily accepts students in April, and October. Usual academic years in Japan start in April too. So it's very likely that the course started at the beginning of April for them. This would place its end in September.
All five of them are said to be 22 at the beginning of WPS and still 22 again at the very end, when they graduate. So the months left for their birthdays are October, November, December, January, February, and March.
Falling cherry blossoms is the setting we see for matsuda and furuya decking each other in the face at the start of WPS. In Tokyo, cherry blossoms usually bloom in late-March and fall by mid-April (see e.g. here) So it places that scene somewhere between start of April and mid-April. If you take into account that Matsuda and Furuya's fight didn't take place on Day 1 of the course, then you have some leeway to include early April in the birthday range (but not much of April since cherry blossoms disappear by mid April).
Meanwhile, assuming that the course started in late March instead for an exceptional reason, then you might have leeway to include late September in the birthday possibilities (aka if they finish the course late September and immediately turn 23).
But yeah. As long as time did pass normally back then (and it could have, after all it was before Conan existed) that'd be it for them!
WPS is generally considered more "canon" than ZTT since GA wrote it , instead of just vetting the drafts like for ZTT. Of course GA can choose to retcon this anytime, but otherwise it seems those would be the months we can pick for WPS boys birthdays!
If you believe in horoscopes maybe you can choose according to that. If you dont believe in it maybe you can pick according to preference like "do i want him to be a winter, fall or spring child.... " idk. but in any case, that does narrow the possibilities down quite a bit for all 5!
#dcmk#meitantei conan#matsuda jinpei#furuya rei#hagiwara kenji#date wataru#wps#detective conan#detco#i personally really like early march or early october for hiro but im not picky#im not very picky for furuya either. i like the idea of winter child furuya as much as i like spring child furuya#and i think it's stereotypical but id enjoy an aries matsuda + sagitarius hagi combo#and i have ZERO opinion on date lol sorry
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theres never a time where the Scooby Gang hating on Scrappy will make sense, i feel. like think about it. in-universe, what did Scrappy ever do to make them hate him that isnt what he already did when they used to like him?
literally all the jokes in modern Scooby Doo where the entire gang is like "oh we don't talk about Scrappy ¬¬" feel so meanspirited for something that just literally does not make any sense.
the ONE TIME Scrappy did something evil was because James Gunn hated him for no reason other than "he was written into the show at a time where the writing was less good", and it was in a movie that isnt even canon to the cartoons, so even that cant be a reason for the characters to hate him.
like i dunno, i might not care about Scrappy himself that much (i dont dislike him either) but what i do care about, is that the characters are basically mandated to never ever bring up a part of the series' history unless its to shit on it for absolutely no reason and act OUT OF CHARACTER at that to be mean to a character that is literally a CHILD, where the writers could instead like, write Scrappy better? the writers could bring Scrappy back and make him better as a character instead of just ragging on his existence every time they get to even aknowledge he existed.
like they brought back Flimflam, a character from a show Scrappy existed in, and a character most people also agreed SUCKED in that show and was just as if not more annoying than Scrappy.... yeeeet Flimflam was written better there, and people really liked him in that movie. and yet still, the only time they mention Scrappy in that movie is like "Hey, where's Scrappy?" and everyone answering "Who's Scrappy??" like COME ON, you FIXED FLIMFLAM and couldnt bother doing the same with the one most overhated character? so overhated, the trope that means "character everbody hates" is called THE SCRAPPY.
like come on, isnt that exaggerated levels of hate??? am i wrong on thinking this??
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About the Tom riddle ask (I’m not the person who sent it, but it got em thinking). Do you think he cared about the idea of his mom as a child at least? Or maybe his dad before he met him? He interests me in his youth. I can also see him caring about Nagini. Maybe he met someone at the orphanage that he cared about but lost and that strengthened his desire for power and his hunger for full control over everything, including any potential past or future attachments he might make.
Also, out of curiosity, what quality or characteristic drew you to write so beautifully about Slytherin that you think is lacking in Tom?
just from like, my point of view, his feelings about his mom, while complicated and important, aren’t enough to carry a story, because she dies basically immediately after he’s born so there’s no active relationship to write about
As far as canon is concerned, Tom has no relationship with his father who doesn’t even know he exists really until Tom kills him, which again is like, not disinteresting but, isn’t a relationship that can carry a story
You could make up an oc he meets in the orphanage, but what’s the tension, you know? I guess if you could pull a grant Chapman and like, write an oc that feels natural enough and is also fleshed out enough that the readers are invested in them enough to make them want to read the story but idk atyd has Sirius, that’s the tension of the relationship between remus and grant that really makes it compelling so idk what Tom and this oc would have
I guess he could have cared about nagini tho she is just a vessel holding his soul so, that makes it less compelling to me, it’s still essentially just him caring about his own immortality
The reason I am drawn to Salazar is because a) I like playing around with the idea of witch hunts and how that would impact magical peoples’ views and relationships with muggles b) the four founders are friends at some point who decide to found this school and then have a falling out and that is inherently an interesting premise to me
I just dont think Tom riddle has that? Like there is nothing about his character that doesn’t feel like it could be filled out in the background, he does not have main character energy to me
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no offense to adult yellow believers but it makes me laugh a little since people who think that he is an adult think it’s supported by canon when the vast majority of casual viewers automatically assume he’s meant to be a kid. every person i’ve watched the show with has assumed yellow is a kid
(this reply is specifically targeted at a group of people!!! not everyone and not u anon!!)
it genuinely bothers me how so many people are obsessed with trying not to “infantilize” him when canonically youre supposed to laugh when plates fall on his head or when he says shit like “green is for go.” like. how can you shame a community for portraying a child-like character as childish…. to pretend he acts like an adult is honestly delusional and may i just say. i think it comes from many peoples idea that children cant be smart— but also that neurodivergent people cant be “childish” and you cant acknowledge that child-like behavior without somehow infantilizing them, when all youre doing is saying what happened.
yeah i really do see where people are coming from with the physical age thing because i also think he isnt young physically— but i feel like people got too obsessed with “not infantilizing him” that they started seeing him as a completely different character… characters can be children or childlike without being infantilized— and when this was a popular belief at one point it was actually incredibly annoying how you couldnt characterize him CORRECTLY without people throwing bricks at you???
i think in an attempt to fight ableism or something people wrapped around and have actually spread pretty harmful ideas around yellow. at least in my opinion. the idea that you have to PRETEND hes mature in canon so you can see him as a complex person is actually really bad?? you should see him as a person even with his immaturity??
the moment yall realize that yellow was never intended to be representative of a real life disorder is the day yall will understand that youre not helping autistic people, you’re actually bringing them down. when you say its bad to portray yellow acting the way he does IN THE FUCKING SHOW— youre just gaslighting people and telling autistic folks that they arent allowed to act that way because its a stereotype and thats bad!!!
i hate how the internet has reached this conclusion that autistics that fit stereotypes are harmful or just straight up dont exist. you can view yellow as autistic AND the way he is canonically. some autistic people dont grow up. thats ok. its not ableist to admit that, in my opinion. its more ableist to pretend those people arent real. they absolutely are and theres nothing wrong with them or acknowledging them (properly).
but again hes not intended to be autistic, so that statement is irrelevant to him canonically.
the main three are physically ageless but its very obvious what their mental states are. if you leave it at that life is much easier dude
#sorry if im talking in circles i want this point to be made clear#people try and actually watch dhmis challenge impossible mode#dhmis#yellow guy
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things about sae.
it's sae's turn in my brain microwave. i want to understand you, underlashes senior. headcanons +observation+ rambling. spoilers, will be updated as time goes on.
scathing, mean af vocabs. pretty rude even as a child. but compared to rin, his cursing seems to be much tamer.
is REALLY focused on soccer. but also said in the character interview to not "only be able to/focus on soccer like him".
but in his introduction to u20 shows that he seems to value someone who goes all in to soccer. and it's kind of in line with the things he "admits" and chided. example a: shidou and isagi being individuals who are undeniably soccer obsessed (though on isagi's case as they haven't even talk, if i remember correctly, this might be more because of isagi's way of winning through "making use of luck"). example b: things he said in the u20 introduction in response to sendou.
headcanonish but this guy is giving me "burnout gifted child" vibe with all the prodigal status, expectations, and being hit in the face by the world. like what are you. are you satisfied by marina??????
there are few moments where he displays something that is pretty close to 'praise', but say it not to the related person/group himself. (i.e. his thoughts of blue lock in locker room, his comment about "dont switch out any of the u20 member".)
like is he being not nice on purpose????? honestly probably. headcanonish, but if seeing his way of giving comments to rin pre-spain, it's been like that since he was little. (i will check rin's ln again later)
in contrast to rin having "natural luck", this guy seems to more " making/seeking luck". but idk yet, with only ice cream sticks as clues. sae backstory and ln spin off when.
his eyes during the confrontation with rin in that snowy night are pretty expressive. but since visual cues leave a really wide room for interpretation + bllk tendency to subvert things, i will not comment. but honestly i really agree with the sentiment that sae was hurt by rin's words, but in the end the discouragement seems to come more from a place of "i don't want you to get hurt so just go home and don't play soccer anymore" (very very hc and more of an interpretation, as sae's pov is still non existent)
aka yeah, this guy is shit at displaying concern and any sort of care. headcanon but. do you see the vibe??? with rin???? like it's similar. what is this genetic.
simple fashion, but pretty trendy and chic(?).
this guy seems like a family guy who misses his family a lot. (please make up soon with your lil bro)
watches chibi maruko chan. has habits that genuinely reminds me of old people (drinking tea, looking at sea, thinking of family).
people at blue lock think of him as someone who seems to be good at study, but looking at the pattern of hyperfocused people in blue lock it either goes two way: a) his skill at everything else is questionable at best, abysmall at worst ; b) he is an all-rounder indeed.
but then again there is also the third type aka "good at football, still functional at everything except communication and emotional management skill".
his way of talking in jp is, to put it simply, pretty casual like guys his age. the thing that are the rudest part of it was his choice of words and the fact that he seems to talk like this to everyone. even his elder. and also the way he is very blunt in expressing his opinion.
but somehow that bluntness is gone when it came to showing vulnerable emotions. talk about emotional constipation.
if his character interview is reliable and unbiased, as it is from sae's own pov, his relationship with his parents seems okay.
genuinely wondering about his parents' canon response to his and rin's cold war.
does he even have friends. no like seriously.
his brother and him are really similar in many ways. rin is probably copying him in some ways tho—that, or rin's own issues. or sae's own issues.
please just make up with your brother. (2)
after spain his bang is gone. as in he just pushed them up. in u20 it still went down sometimes in a few panels.
he likes numbers. maybe he really is smart.
genuinely looking at him like "please get a hobby" not even as an insult but out of genuine concern. this dude has so many issues and the burnout child prodigy vibe is real strong with this one.
but not fully his fault. pretty much live alone overseas, probably with no friends his age and just a manager as his support system, went through a crisis, is a (probable) family loving guy with his family far away from him, then came home to his beloved lil bro he spoiled and dotted on and shared a dream with saying hurtful things to him on his lowest point. and not supporting his new decision and dream. from sae's pov, it's brutal.
i can defend rin on this too tho. honestly please talk to each other, itoshi bros. or acknowledge that maybe neither of you were in not in the best state of mind during that confrontation.
seems logical and he does likes numbers. but honestly, he just acts as he wants—look at how he talks to journalist, how he has 0 hesitation to leave an ongoing match.
went to spain at 13 according to rin's spin off novel. also mentioned to "hate to lose" and seems to be a strict perfectionist.
must be noted however that how rin sees him seems to be very biased. a bit of rin analysis/hc, but there seems to be "putting nii chan on a pedestal" going on there. how their childhood truly is from sae's perspective is still unknown. on rin's part tho, seems to be a very nice period.
is rich. so the snobby rich condescending guy aura is probably not that far from the truth. his sense of money seems to be a mess, as a few hundred millions is a small amount for him.
this guy seems to be picky with who he respects and he really doesn't hold back in disrespecting someone he doesn't. even higher ups and older people.
does skincare canonly.
doesn't seem to have friends so far...? (nel arc, before pxg match) but if we look at how rin is now, unsurprising.
in rin's novel, rin's physique is mentioned to be "better" than sae's actually. with how "rin wins in luck" while sae "loses" motive exist through the ice cream sticks, probably this motive will come up again when sae appears again.
#not exactly but still a#character study#itoshi sae#putting this here for a bit#why are bllk guys so funny when ur brain is not simping for them#babblings#sae hurry up and come back i still don't get you that much ngl#rin is mentioned A LOT because 1) brothers 2) most of the source came from him#getting this out of my draft and maybe i should make a tag for this sort of rambles#poponing
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Agreed with most of #6472 until the race, mental disability and height thing.
1. As a POC woman, just do your research if you're making a POC character. I'm not personally offended, but I don't speak for everyone.
2. As someone with autism and anxiety; DO YOUR RESEARCH. PLEASE. Like as long as the portrayal is accurate and research was done, I think a lot of disabled people would appreciate representation but idk. I dont speak for everyone.
3. SHORT PEOPLE EXIST. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS SHORT, IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE A MINOR OR "MINOR CODED" HEIGHT DIFFERENCES SHOULD NOT BE AN ICK.
I think the last three could be rage bait, but idk. Just my opinion.
Posting as a response to a previous problem.
Going to include a few more responses to the same problem below:
Anon:
...is this a parody?
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Anon:
"If your ocs looks young, they are a child." I am 25, last week someone asked me if I was in high school. Some of us just look young idk what to tell you.
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Anon:
Bait used to be believable
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@theofficialkai517:
I'm not a regular OC maker, but I feel like there will be some mixed-bag responses. But in most cases that I've seen "actual [way older than teenager] looks to be way younger than they are" has been a canon thing, not an OC thing. Aang from Avatar and Elena from Elena of Avalor instantly come to mind. It's not just teenage-appearing characters, either, there are several adult characters that don't appear to age past their 30s despite being millenia old, or can change their age and appearance almost as they please. The gods from Percy Jackson (though some of them may not be the best examples to prove a point against you, LOL), many dragons from fantasy & sci-fi novels, vampires, so many different archetypes... I am not standing for or against this-- though the specific ones that I mentioned were trapped at their ages and don't remember much of anything during their times of not aging, and I do ship them both with teenagers they are friends with in their shows; and the archetypes/character designs I listed... Is a mixed bag, to be fair-- but it's not just about OCs, and you can't fault OC designers for following a pattern that has been their for a long long time, whether or not that character has a romantic bond with another character, or has friends who are all the age that the character appears to be.
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Anon:
what the hell does that mean, anyone 5'7 or under is minor-coded and shouldn't be shipped?! lots of adults, females especially (and including myself) aren't anywhere close to that height in real life. and it's okay to ship minors with other minors; there are millions of high-school love stories out there. besides, are we supposed to know a character's height right off the top of our fucking head or something? even if it's an oc. like, most of my ocs if i ever were to create more would probably be closer to my height because that's what i find "normal," or i just want somebody to dump all of my struggles on. it's literally not pedophilia to ship fix-it felix and calhoun together (first ship to come to mind, sorry), despite him being very very short. not much of this shit even happens with ocs, i've seen most of what you're bringing up in the media that's actually put in front of us.
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Anon:
re 6472, specifically this line: "Anyone under 5'7" is minor coded and shouldn't be shipped." What the metric fuck are you smoking? I swear I'm gonna short-circuit.
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Anon:
Okay, so many things. And I am sure others have probably brought this up too, but hey.
The "1000 year old dragon/immortal being with the body of a child trope" isn't just used by fans and makers of OCs. It is often a "trope" used by creators themselves; if it makes you look like a creep/has inherently pedophilic tones/only creeps are okay with this kind of thing, then call me a fucking creep. So many wonderful medias have characters who are older than they look, even going to J.M. Barrie with Peter Pan. Not many people seem to mind that they don't know how chronologically old Peter is, they just find whimsy in the fact that he will never grow up. The same goes for Avatar: the Last Airbender's titular character, Aang, who is chronologically 112 but has the appearance and mannerisms of a 12-year-old. It is meant to portray his redemption and his friends' hope, not to be creepy or pedophilic.
I can't quite help you there. There are some executions of that trope that work, and some that don't. But please know that most of this was perpetuated by actual creators and authors than us fans and our OCs. If you want to raise a fuss, try and go to Stephanie Meyers first before pointing your finger in our faces.
"if your ocs looks young, they are a child [...] it is simpler that way. You do not need to overcomplicate your ocs." First off... Completely false. I cannot be the only person who still looks 14 but is actually far older than that... If it happens in real life, it can happen in fiction and with OCs. We are not children, those characters are not children. It is not "overcomplicating" an OC. Besides, some people don't want simple with their OCs, they are putting their hearts and souls into them and just having fun.
Nobody should have to ask "approval" to write a character that is a different race than them. Yes, it can end disastrously... But it also couldn't. If people had to ask approval to write a character who is Latino or black or East Asian when the writer is white, or any other variation of one race creating a character of another, there would never be any diversity in anything ever.
There was need for you to elaborate on that. Some of the best ADHD/autism representation I have seen in characters has come from neurotypicals. I have a loved one who has never had anxiety or depression before but can spot-on name most of the signs and symptoms just from watching me live through it. As long as you're not adding harmful traits to one mental disability or another, I have no reason to be offended. Maybe just try and do your research, but even then, nobody is allowed to police you. Again, nobody should have to ask approval or be worried that they're not writing a character good. Also, it's easy for signs of one mental disability or other to slip through in a character without it being openly stated. Sometimes things happen unintentionally, it was never meant as a slight towards someone who has the mental disability strongly hinted at.
"Short characters are basically minors"... Ex-fucking-scuse me? What the fuck? "Anyone under 5'7" is minor coded and shouldn't be shipped"... Just stop. Stop it right here. 5'7" is a major ask, especially in a fictional world where heights often aren't known to viewers/readers, and your OC can be whatever height you wish on them. It's a major ask even in the real world. Because why the fuck are only tall people allowed to be shipped? When hobbits exist, dwarves exist, elves (like, Christmas elves) exist... Some fictional species aren't designed to grow taller than, like, 4'10", let alone 8 inches taller than that. Half of the females I went to school with didn't make it past that height; it is unreasonable to tell people that they cannot create characters to be shorter than a certain height if they want to be able to ship them.
Sorry for the long rambles, but most of that was BS and needed to be called. Yes, there is room for a lot of moral ambiguity when it comes to characters who are coded one way or another... Especially when it comes to age/immortality/disguising oneself as another age/etc. But if someone is doing any of these things and it drives you nuts, either block/mute/ignore them or, in the cases of 4 and 5, maybe gently message them with "hey... I wanted to let you know that I have/am [insert mental disability or race here] and that [character] doesn't quite match up to what they're supposed to be. Can I offer you some guidance in writing them?" and if they say no... Just leave it be. This is fandom, not politics.
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