#and i like that ship but i refuse to talk to the shippers if they want to be like that

[god-damnit-vinne]

the sheer amount of i've-got-bitches-itis shuichi has during drv3 extras is actually making my head spin like

okay you teal haired twink

[epickiya722]

Some shippers that be hating on BkDk be the same people who be like "why they hate us so much? why am I blocked? why isn't my ship being appreciated with fics and art? why do they think we're toxic?"

Because you're the same people who use the ship tag to antagonize people. People wouldn't want to associate themselves with you because you're being an asshole. You're wasting your time posting hate instead of creating those fics and art you want.

[nyxi-pixie]

tbh i do think a lot of skk enjoyers have takes about as interesting as toilet water and about as accurate as taking a paragraph and translating it back and forth between every language on google translate and then asking a ouija board to tell you what the newly spouted nonsensical bs means, but some people talk abt this like theyre a unique plague on the bsd fandom as a whole when literally 80% of this fandom has stupid takes and forgets the source material. its just cos skk shippers make up the vast majority of the fandom that ur gonna see the verbal equivalent of raw sewage coming from them most

[ink-the-shitposter]

I think it might have to do with the guy playing dean being uncomfortable with them making their characters gay, which is rly funny bro you are an actor 😭

still amazes me that by season 45 or whatever, Supernatural was being exclusively watched by delusionally hopeful women with flamingo-salinity tolerance for bad writing and the creators still couldn’t pander to them because maybe there was 1 straight guy out there still accidentally watching it

[milkamel]

Ahem. Hi.

I know I've drawn a lot of shadowvanilla stuff recently and yapped about how much I love it when actually… I was lying.

…

I HATE IT WITH BURNING PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!! I only drew it cause it was.......... ugh, popular 🙄🙄

You people love abusive ships huh what's wrong with you like actually how can you ship something that has such a big power imbalance?? Are TOXIC relationships a joke to you?

Thinking that I'm being stupid and that this ship isn't an abuser x victim?? Well, let me show you proof.

(ALSO PLEASE REBLOG TO SPREAD THE AWARENESS!!!!)

Look at Truthless Recluse here, he's clearly distressed and angry. Not like how Pure Vanilla would act, as he's nice and sweet with everyone. BUT NOT WITH SHADOW MILK...........

You know what they say.............… abusers only show their true selves with people they abuse and here he is screaming at the poor Smilky Twinky like an angry feral animal!! As you can see 'Pure' Vanilla isn't actually THAT pure…. he's a heartless monster who torments the poor little guy...................... (I bet he throws beer bottles at Shamil too)

Next point!

A lot of people lately have been spreading an absolutely inaccurate headcanon that Pure Vanilla is 'minor coded' which is a blatant LIE.............. It has been proven that Shadow Milk is the one who's minor coded and has been unfairly attacked.

Here we see him turn into a kid specifically when PV is around. You know why? Correct, he's scared of Pure Vanilla. He feels small around him, helpless, like a child so he literally becomes one. Not so funny now, shadowvanilla shippers? (also the fact that he's a jester!! kids like toys and flashy stuff!! minor coded behavior!!)

Now the manipulation.

The whole 8th episode has been nothing but a cruel masterplan created by Truthless Recluse designed to break Shadow Milk's heart..... How cruel must you be to lie to someone who's just lonely and wants a friend? Just peak psychopathic behavior on PV's part. (He even says that he did that to make Shamil to lower his guard!! He doesn't even hide that and admits his crimes!!)

Just look how sad and desperate he's here… no one deserve this…....

And after that betrayal, stab in the back, Pure Vanilla attempted to BEFRIEND him? This is manipulation too. He tries to act like he isn't the bad guy, as if he didn't just break Shadow Milk beyond repair. But how can you befriend someone who deceived you? I don't blame Smilk for refusing this offer run my boy, don't let him trick you!!

(look at how heartbroken and hurt he is after P**e V*****a beat him up,, talk about 'friendship'...........)

So as you can see this ship SHOULDN'T BE SHIPPED at any point. Pure Vanilla is the abuser, manipulator, gaslighter and a lot more. While Shadow Milk was his poor puppet he played with him for his own amusement. This ship is the worst thing I had yet witnessed in this life and if you ship it uhhhhhh- I hope both sides of your pillow are hot.............................gross..... be better.

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but ngl I think them kissing isn't that bad yk a little bit toxicity in the ship doesn't hurt anyone!!!

Happy April Fools btw <3 (expect more shadowvanilla art in the future I need them to make out <3)

[demonic0angel]

Maybe...Dany/Cass meet-cute?

Or, if you're ok with that maybe even Danny/Cass/Steph meet-cute?

Either way, regardless of ship, I'm picturing Danny, somewhere between 23-38 years old, being a single dad to a hyper and excitable tiny Ellie, who likes to hold his hand and drag him with her to whatever special interest catches her attention at the moment.

And that's where they meet Cass, who gets to watch as a man gets dragged to all the "girl stuff" stores by his kid, and instead of refusing, kr acting embarrassed, Danny just sighs fondly, and indulges his little girl in her insistence to see him with nails painted like hers.

Maybe they bump into Cass on the way out of the latest store, and when Cass swings by their place later on to ensure they're safe, Ellie comes running to open the window Cass was perched under, and comes to greet her.

And Cass would've liked to adopt the little tyke like Bruce did her, but if she can also snag herself the Dad, she'll be even happier.

Maybe, if you're ok with Danny/Cass/Steph (my little multi shipper heart adores these thre gremlins together) , Cass and Ellie vibe while Ellie tells her about her day, and Steph is the one who's shamelessly flirting with Danny? (Danny could do with having the classic DILF build, so steph can much more accurately call him that and watch him combust and stutter)

(Sorry if this makes little sense, it's 4 a.m and the insomny hit hard tonight 😅)

Steph whistled lowly. "Hottie alert. Ooh, he has a daughter! How cute!" She was quickly distracted by the sight of the small child wandering around under her father's watchful gaze.

"No ring," Cass said, observing the man before looking back at the small child that was toddling around.

Steph looked back at the man and pumped a fist. "Hell yeah. More daddy issues, here we come! Should we go talk to him?"

Cass snorted. "Maybe later." Both of them were in the park, bored after getting a random free day for the first time in a long time. They were sitting together, people watching and particularly focused on the father-daughter pair, one who was cute and the other who was hot.

"Don't go too far, Dani!" The man called. "I'll be sitting here!"

"Okay!" Was the very adorable reply. Steph squealed and slapped Cass' shoulder, who sighed at her girlfriend's excitement.

The small child was happily kicking at rocks on the ground when something in the distance began running towards her. Her father didn't seem to notice yet, looting through a bag for something.

Steph and Cass immediately stood up from the bench when they saw that it was an unleashed dog speeding towards the child. Its face was set in a snarl and it seemed determined to get to its target. Dani, the child, started shrieking when she finally noticed it.

Both girls instantly swooped in. Steph picked up Dani, jumping back as Cass swiftly grabbed hold on the dog's collar, yanking it back. It gave a yelp and writhed from the chokehold.

Cass let it go and glared down at it as it whimpered and whined.

"Dani!" The man screamed before running over. Steph didn't notice, distracted by the shaking child in her hands and the dog's owner, who came running towards them with a furious expression.

"How dare you! I'll call the police on you! Don't touch my dog, you—" the woman shrieked.

"Actually!" Steph snarled, as Cass came back to stand by her side. Steph handed Dani to her without a second thought and stepped in front of them. "We should call the police on you! It's against the law to let your dog run unleashed in public spaces in Gotham. And your dog almost attacked a kid!"

They argued some more but Steph was eventually able to drive her off without any recuperations. Steph clicked her tongue irritably. "What a jerk!" Steph sniffed.

Cass nodded, still holding Dani.

"Uhh."

They both turned to the father, who was standing there with a vaguely amused expression, an eyebrow raised. He lifted his hands. "Can I have my child back?"

Both Steph and Cass looked at Dani, who was contentedly sitting in the latter's arms without a single care, and started. "Oh my gosh! We're so sorry!"

Cass gingerly but quickly handed over Dani to her father. Thankfully, he was very agreeable because he just laughed before hugging his daughter tightly. He gave both Cass and Steph a grateful smile.

"Thank you so much for helping me and saving my daughter. Err, could I buy you two dinner? As thanks?" He gave a friendly and obliviously charming smile.

Cass opened her mouth to refuse out of principle and Steph immediately grabbed her arm and interrupted her, "Yes! Absolutely!"

The man beamed. "My name's Danny. This is Dani, with an I. I didn't name her, by the way, if you're asking."

Steph laughed and held on even tighter to Cass, both eying him with heavy gazes. "I'm Steph and this is Cass. I think we're going to get along swimmingly, Danny."

[nyxreads]

Let's talk about accountability in this fandom.

This isn’t a "drag" post. This is a please think before you post kind of post. Some stuff has been going on in this fandom that really needs to be addressed — not to hate, but to reflect and do better.

1. A poll about college degrees was posted to "prove" which ship has the smartest fans. Yeah... that’s classist.

Asking which ship (Gwynriel, Elriel, Elucien) has more readers with degrees, especially in STEM, to basically say "our side is smarter." That’s not cute.

You can be smart without a degree.

You can love books without going to college.

You can be brilliant, analytical, and insightful even if life didn’t give you the same chances.

Being from a poor background doesn’t give you a free pass to use your education as a flex against others. It just ends up reinforcing the same classist mindset that holds people back in the first place.

2. A wlw fanart was posted and it got "sisters" "friends" comments. That is homophobic, even if you didn’t mean it that way.

This under a sapphic fanart even though the OP clearly intended it as romantic. When people (including the OP) spoke up, the response was “We ship Emorie, so we’re not homophobic.”

Here’s the thing:

Liking one queer ship doesn’t mean you can’t do something homophobic. "I am bisexual, I am not homophobic." Being bi doesn’t cancel out the harm caused by dismissing a queer romantic ship as "sisterly."

Nobody called you a homophobic person but your actions toward that fanart were absolutely homophobic.

Queer people have been seeing their relationships dismissed as "just close friends" or "sisters" for decades. So yes, that word carries weight. It’s not harmless.

If someone from the queer community says "Hey, that hurts" it’s not the time to say "But I ship this one gay couple." It’s the time to listen.

3. Stealing and editing Elriel fanart to turn it into Gwynriel? Also not okay.

Fanart theft is still theft. People put time, love, and effort into art. Editing their work without permission especially to erase the original ship is super disrespectful.

If you love your ship, commission art for it. Don’t just take someone else’s.

And here’s the frustrating part:

Every time this kind of behavior gets called out, the people doing it twist the narrative. They’ll say they’re being "bullied" or "attacked," and somehow turn themselves into the victim while taking zero accountability.

They’ve never been wrong, no matter how many times they’ve been called out.

Meanwhile, the people speaking up who are just trying to defend boundaries, respect art, or stand up for queer rep are the ones being labeled as "toxic." This is exactly how they keep getting away with it.

By refusing to reflect, by twisting the story, and by shutting down any chance for growth.

It’s not bullying to ask people to take responsibility. It’s not drama to want better from a fandom space. And it’s not wrong to call out harm especially when it keeps repeating.

Lastly, to everyone out there without a degree, still reading and loving stories, you matter. Your voice counts. You’re smart, creative, and valid.

To queer shippers, wlw fans, and the artists who bring those stories to life, thank you. Your work is powerful. Your ships are beautiful.

Let’s just… be better to each other. Fandom is supposed to be fun and safe and creative not a place for elitism, erasure, or stealing.

We all deserve a space where our love for stories and characters can thrive without having to prove our worth.

[trexiejan]

My thoughts: Barbara/Dickbabs fans love to accuse Starfire/Dickkory fans of misogyny and ableism yet here's Barbara mistreating other women.

Reading comments from dickbabs shippers is so scary. you're not allowed to simply dislike Barbara anymore without Barbara fans and Dickbabs shippers jumping on you and accusing you of ableism/misogyny..

So preferring another woman over a woman is misogyny?

So you hate disabled people now if you don't prefer Dick with Barbara?

or maybe some people just simply don't like Barbara and i think that's totally fine. Not everyone has to like what you like.

You can't ever say your opinion about their favorite character and ship without getting personally insulted and attacked by them and If you dare simply criticize some of barbara's bad actions and their ship's awful writings they'll talk about you in their private groupchats nonstop and convince the others to harass you too. It's not normal being scared and being threatened just for saying you don't like a certain character and prefer a character with someone else.

They treat Barbara like she's some sort of untouchable goddess who everyone has to like and worship even though she herself has done awful things to other people, she slutshames and degrades women when she gets jealous like she was so harsh and mean to Kory just because she has a romantic history with Dick.. She mocked Kory's looks and refused to help her on a mission where thousands of her people were dying and all she could ever think about was "is she going with Dick?" like girl wtf. be professional. 🤦‍♀️

She also slutshamed Helena and called her night with Dick "a cheap meaningless one night stand" despite the fact Dick told Helena he doesn't do casual sex, also it was not her place to reveal to anyone that Helena slept with Arsenal like how would you feel if one day you woke up and you found out that your coworker told everyone in your workplace that you were sleeping with a guy behind your back . She has no respect for a woman's privacy and mind you she did it out of spite cuz she was jealous again that she's not the only woman Dick loved.

and here's another thing, her fans love to accuse starfire fans of being ableist towards her but it's funny how Babs herself was ableist to Cass aka a female character who has dyslexia. She called her stupid just because she doesn't know how to read.

Also none of them spoke about women's rights when official comicbook writers slutshamed and mistreated the other women in Dick's life just to uplift Barbara and definitely none of them cared when their favorite dickbabs writer aka Tom Taylor liked a pro-barbara comment bashing Starfire but when someone says a single thing about Barbara it's World War 3 for them 🙄

They even created a picture where they said A real dickkory fan doesn't hate on Barbara I'm sorry but not everything depends on Barbara. A person can be a real dickkory fan while not liking Barbara at the same time. Let people dislike Barbara in peace! It's not anyone's fault that you Barbara fans are a bunch of triggered insecure buttthurt entitled brats who can't accept the fact not everyone likes Barbara Gordon! Also there's no need to be hypocritical. I've seen hundreds of you defacing and slutshaming Starfire too for years!!!

You guys act like a hypocritical totalitarian regime controlling people and censoring them left and right. It's really scary and also pathetic at the same time. You can't force people to like her and your ship. Sorry your feelings got hurt but there's nothing that you can do to change other people's minds about Barbara. They can dislike her and say why whenever they want. It's called freedom of speech and personal preference. They don't owe you anything for you to act like they should submit to your demands. If you can't accept that then that's more of a You problem. You guys need to work on your insecurity issues cuz it's higher than the Mount Everest at this point!!

[monimccoythings]

How the other X-Men (97') would react to Logan's crush

I need more X-Men 97's Logan. Mostly Pre-established relationship. Just some rambles about some of the other X-men reacting to your mutual crushes because they are all a big family of busybodies lol.

tag: gender neutral reader (mostly)

You didn't have the best first meeting. You had accidentally drank the last of Logan's beers, and the burning anger in his eyes would take time to forget. You had felt so guilty afterwards that the next day he found a crate of imported beer in his bedroom.

When he first started developing a crush on you, Morph liked to tease him changing into you in different forms of suggestive positions wearing all kind of revealing lingerie, which made him blush. Hard. He tried to act all though pulling his claws out threateningly, but it was difficult to take him seriously when he was as red as a tomato.

He wasn't sure what started that crush, he guessed he started developing it without noticing. Maybe it was your good looks, your kind nature, your bright smile; who knew, but something about you drove him to you like a moth to a flame.

Ar first, Logan would be a bit conflicted due to his deeply rooted feelings for Jean. He felt like he was betraying her in some way, despite Jean being married to Scott. Unbeknowst to him, Jean, is one of the main supporters of his relationship with you and is always hijacking with Storm some way for you two to be together. Once, she got tired of your antics and practically psychically shoved you against him.

Storm is the chillest about it, unlike the overly enthusiastic Jean. She is very patient, she knows you'll end up together one way or another. She just has to wait. She still joins Jeans shenanigans because it's really fun.

Scott is more protective of you in a big brother way. He initially doesn't like that Logan has taken an interest in someone he had always seen as a little sibling. He knows how Logan can get, and how much he had pinned after Jean. He doesn't want him to hurt you, it would take a real genuine proof of his love for you to convince him. And something small wouldn't do, it has to be this big grand selfless gesture for him to actually believe it.

Charles, unlike Scott, thinks that you and Logan are a great match. You seem to bring the best out of each other. You calm Logan's never ending rage and Logan encourages you to be more bold and come out of your shell. You are like two puzzle pieces, you fit perfectly together.

Rogue is constantly teasing you about Logan. She has noticed how he gets more awkward when you're around, how he doesn't snark at you as much as he usually does to the others. If she didn't know better, she'd say he was being shy.

Remy is the one usually trying to give Logan advice on how to properly woo you, which usually goes ignored because of Logan's own pride and refusal to admit he has it deep for you.

Jubilee is a die-hard shipper. She gave you the most ridiculous ship name. Logan hates it. She, Storm, Remy, Rogue and Jean, usually meet up to discuss about you two like a bunch of teens. This is literally them on each meeting:

When you finally stop dancing around each other and start dating, he finds he's unable to keep his hands to himself. Watching you make breakfast, humming to yourself in an oversized T-Shirt and booty shorts that perfectly clinged to every delicious curve of your juicy ass like a second skin, put all of Logan's already thin self-control to test. Missions surveys get really awkward if he's seated next to you, his hand always finds its way to your thigh. Hank joked that he should give him 'the talk', which he took it as well as expected.

Roberto is the one who thinks 'what the hell do they see in him??'. He doesn't get how someone as cultured and kind as yourself would ever get interested in a caveman like Logan. But he keeps his thoughts to himself because he'd rather keep his head on his shoulders.

Logan may not know what started his crush, but he sure as hell knows when he realised he loved you. It wasn't a great sacrifice or something epic as anybody would expect. He just saw you doing the most mundane thing in the world, be it painting your nails, taking care of the garden, or getting to the best part of a book you've been reading. The second he saw that glint in your eyes and that joyful expression, he just knew.

[jikooklove9795]

On Twitter recently there’s been JK & Jins special bond threads going round, JK & RM, JK & V, JM & JHope, JM & Suga - everyone is retweeting them and hyping them up. And yet every. single. one. of JK & JM recently has been reported and copyrighted and taken down. It really says a lot about the state of the fandom right now. Sad to see :(

Hi there 😊

What Anon mentioned is a significant concern that shouldn't be overlooked.

I'm an ARMY too but this needs to be said.

For the past two years, I have been wondering if there any true OT7s (other than jkkrs) who genuinely appreciate Jimin and Jungkook's bond. I'm not even talking about acknowledging their relationship in a romantic light but just as close friends who have shared years of memories, experiences and an undeniable connection. But it feels like the majority of the fandom will go to greater lengths to dismiss or downplay their dynamic, latching onto anything that shifts attention away from them.

Its frustrating because regardless of how one interprets their relationship, there's no denying that Jimin and Jungkook have always had a special bond. Yet so called OT7s seem to erase or ignore that closeness WHILE readily celebrating other friendships within the group. It makes me wonder, are they truly OT7 if they selectively appreciate certain dynamics OR rather all other dynamics while disregarding Jikook?

Its interesting how the fandom will go out of their way to celebrate every other ship in BTS while acting as if Jimin and Jungkook's bond doesn't exist or worse like you said trying to diminish it by reporting and taking down Jikook videos. Its one thing to have preferences but its another to actively ignore or downplay a connection that has been evident for years.

What could be the main reason for this behavior?

A significant portion of the fandom struggles with the idea of any of the members being in a same sex relationship and this is especially evident when it comes to Jungkook.

Many fans have a deeply ingrained perception of him as the epitome of masculinity which in their minds aligns strictly with heterosexuality. They readily accept the idea of him being with women but resist any suggestion that he could be romantically involved with a man.

This is precisely why most of the fandom, even Jungkook's solo fans, are tkk shippers. Because to these fans, Taehyung does not pose a threat to their fantasies of Jungkook being with a woman or more specifically their own Y/N dreams. The same goes for his ship with Seokjin.

However, when it comes to Jimin their reaction is starkly different. Jimin is the one person who directly challenges this rigid, preconceived notion of Jungkook's sexuality.

Jungkook has always shown a special kind of thoughtfulness when it comes to Jimin. Back in 2016, out of all the members, Jimin was the only one he personally got a birthday gift for. And in 2017 he took it to a whole new level, going all out to celebrate Jimin's birthday.

Remember the hickey? Jungkook didn't just wear Jimin's mark for the world to see, he refused to hide it and wouldn't let anyone else touch it, as if it was something sacred. Its with Jimin, Jungkook shares countless inside jokes, little moments only they seem to understand while the rest of the members are left puzzled. Isn't that telling? Its proof of the sheer amount of time they spend together, just the two of them. That kind of connection doesn't just happen. Its built through endless hours of shared moments, laughter and conversations no one else is privy to.

Unlike his interactions with others, Jungkook's actions toward Jimin often carry an undeniable exclusivity. There's an added depth, a level of attention and care he doesn't extend in quite the same way to anyone else. Its this dynamic that unsettles those who want to believe Jungkook fits neatly into their "traditional" ideals.

The same holds true for Jimin. While he is naturally affectionate with all the members, there is an undeniable difference in how he interacts with Jungkook. This distinction has been evident as early as 2013.

There's no one in Jimin's life quite like Jungkook. It was for Jungkook that Jimin took a 13 hour flight to Seoul. Its waking up to Jungkook that brightens Jimin's mornings, the first sight of him setting the tone for his day. Its Jungkook, Jimin chose to be part of his deeply personal solo album, something so intimate that he couldn't imagine anyone else sharing in it. Its Jungkook's birth time that Jimin quietly set his 1997 model watch to during his September 1st 2023 live, a very telling gesture because this was on Jungkook's birthday. And the list goes on, moment after moment, choice after choice, all pointing to one undeniable truth: for Jimin, Jungkook isn't just someone special. He's the one.

The fandom sees this. No matter how much they try to downplay it, there's no one else for whom Jimin has said and done things he has for Jungkook.

This realization unsettles them because it can't be dismissed as simply team camaraderie. It goes beyond brotherhood, beyond friendship, beyond anything they can easily explain away. And that's what unnerves them the most. No other Jimin or Jungkook pairing even comes close to the depth and exclusivity of Jikook. Time and time again the way they stand apart from the rest only reinforces one thing, Jikook aren't just special. THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

We all know that a very large part of the fandom are tkkrs. Is it because they genuinely support taekook?

The answer is a big NO.

There's only a small, very small, portion of the fandom who believes taekook are involved romantically. And I don't know what they're on to be so gone and delusional enough to believe in a ship which was never real to begin with and has been actively debunked by Jungkook and Taehyung.

But I'm talking about the others who ship taekook despite knowing (yes they know it) that there's nothing romantic between Jungkook and Taehyung. The same can be said about Jinkook whose dynamics are purely sibling coded.

The truth is not because they believe in the ship but because of the deeply rooted homophobia within the fandom. For them Taekook or Jinkook or Yoonmin are a "safe" ship because it doesn't challenge their perception of BTS.

Jikook erasure isn't just about shipping, its about preserving a heteronormative narrative and refusing to accept a reality that contradicts fandom fantasies.

Anyone thinking rationally can see that Taekook or Jinkook or Yoonmin isn't real. But acknowledging that means Jikook might be, and that's what the fandom is desperately trying to avoid.

They can joke about Taekook, Yoonmin or Jinkook because they see them as harmless fantasies. But when it comes to Jikook, the fandom notices how Jimin and Jungkook's dynamic feels too genuine, too intimate and too plausible. This forces the fans to confront the reality of LGBTQ relationships in a way that they're not ready for. So, they dismiss, deny or downplay Jikook while embracing other obviously unreal ships.

Even in progressive spaces people are conditioned to see same sex relationships as unlikely or just friendship while automatically assuming straightness unless explicitly stated otherwise.

The fear of Jikook being real isn't just about them, its about what it means for the fan's own worldview, comfort zone and sometimes even their parasocial attachment to the members.

This is the only explanation that makes sense to me for why the fandom refuses to acknowledge Jikook's connection. Its not that they can't see it, its that they don't want to. Accepting it would mean confronting something they're uncomfortable with. So, instead they choose to ignore, downplay or much worse mock it.

[cosmicredcadet]

Sometimes fandom can be incredibly alienating as someone who is aspec and doesn't participate in shipping. I go into the tags of a media I like and I find 99.9% of posts are about either shipping the character or how attractive people find them. I post anything about a character I like and I'm met with sexualizing comments or shipping tags on my posts. I talk about aspec headcanons for a character and get met with anger and told I'm homophobic. I talk about a character being canonically aspec and get met with arguments about how wrong I am. I cannot relate to 99.9% of fandom. And whenever I express this, I am met with hostility. I am told to go find a space that will accept me because I'm not welcomed in the wider fandom. They never even stop to think if a space like that even exists. They never stop to realize that spaces like that often get taken over by the rest of fandom eventually, forcing the ones who made it once more. They never tell you how to find that space because if they thought about it they too would realize how near impossible it is to find such a space in any fandom.

But they don't actually care about that. they just want me to shut up. They expect me to conform to the hyper amatonormativity and allonormativity of fandom spaces. They expect me to put up with blatant and rampant aphobia within fandom spaces. They expect me to be a "good aspec" who is a hopeless romantic shipper and loves smut. When I fail or refuse to meet those expectations, then I'm the problem. and I'm left alienated and isolated in a space that is supposed to be social and supposedly for everyone.

"Fandom is for everyone" except people like me.

[tommykinard6]

Indulge me in a little throwback will you?

Now, you all may not know this. But I used to not like Buck. I know, I know. Shocking. First season, I couldn’t stand him. Now, if I watched it back, I might see it from a different lenses. Especially being closer now to his age in the first season. But I truly, could not stand him most of the time.

Also, I think it was the fandom obsessing over him for me. Turned me off before I felt like giving him a chance.

Eddie arrived in season 2 and boom. Favorite character. I adored him. And through him, I started to like Buck more. I felt like he helped bring out the best of Buck. That’s probably why I fell into the Buddie shipping so hard.

I was an avid Buddie shipper for years, until season 7. And y’all, I could write a long post on the problems in that section of the fandom that have existed for years. Very particularly, in fanfics.

But that’s not this post. Maybe another, if you want.

Believe it or not, this isn’t actually a shipping discourse post.

Something has really rubbed me ever so slightly the wrong way since the start of season 8. Now, not to see this hasn’t happened in previous seasons, but it just felt like everyone just didn’t…care about actually listening to Buck.

Even Maddie, the ever loving and listening sister. Feels a bit like she hasn’t had time for him and then also makes a tasteless and sort homophobic joke when he wanted to talk about Tommy and Abby.

Eddie has been crumbling since season 7, and I’ve been hating what they’ve done to his character’s storyline, but to hear him talk to or about Buck sometimes, I wonder if he knows or likes him much.

Buck is lashing out, sure. Saying things he shouldn’t. But this is his family. His family who knows damn well he has bad abandonment issues, who has seen him struggle with his self esteem for years, but they don’t think to look past what he’s saying to the meaning behind it?

I relate to Buck. And I know Buck’s been a favorite of mine now since season 4, but I never realized that I related to him so much. Because I too am used to people thinking they know me more than I know myself. That they know my intentions better than me. I’ve never felt so seen and I’ve never felt so mad to see him getting brushed off by anyone and everyone around him.

I’ve run out of steam, but I’m just gonna say. I need this narrative to start changing. Buck is an adult. Not only that, he’s a 33 year old man who has gone through therapy and life altering realizations about himself and his past to discover the root of his abandonment issues and openly acknowledges that he has them. It doesn’t take any genius to see he lacks some perception of his own worth.

Yet people continue to refuse to give him any grace.

The 118 really pulled together in the last episode as a family. I really need them to pull together to rally for Buck because he’s floundering. And also, someone smack Eddie across the head.

[kidflash7689]

Fellow zutaraians, idk how to find yall on tumblr this algorithm is shit but on TikTok, we getting dragged for the live action, which I refuse to watch even illegally, because apparently the writers are pro zutara? This info is unconfirmed and unless I see it with my own eyes, I won’t believe what some TikTok commenter says.

The reason for the dragging is because this tiktoker reposted tweets talking about the live action casting of toph. This is confirmed: toph is supposed to be older and more feminine in the live action. ans tiktoker SPECULATED that the creators may push taang instead. now zutara is getting dragged in the comments bc of proximity and its the most popular non canon ship. then u have pick me zutara stans who want the approval of the antis and canon loyalists sayin "im a zutara shipper but i dont what that to be canon to the livee action or taang" like girl bye who cares what u want. zutara stans be minding their business n then the canon loyalists and the antis drag us. we been quiet mostly. the live action can do whatever it wants idc. they can continue using the cartoon as a bouncing board instead of a mirror (thats what adaptations r supposes to do but i digress) and i wont care bc im not watching something that will not entertain me and make me mad bc im not braindead. Just Leave zutara Stan’s alone.

Anyways what yall think of this 😭😭

(Personally idc what they do w the live action bc I’m not watching. Why would I make myself mad. Yall love misery and its company bc yall will circle jerk each other and say oh u hate the live action and its decisions but keep pouring into it by giving it energy by talking abt it but yall do that with everything u don’t like: pour into it but thats another conversation)

[comradekarin]

What do you think about the plot point of aang not killing Ozai? I've seen many takes on it, from both ZK and KA shippers but I'd like to know your take too.

I’m not really the best person to answer this ask mainly because I don’t know how to answer this in an eloquent manner. so I’ll keep things short: I don’t have a problem with aang not killing ozai. I do, however, take issue with aang’s stagnant development and the abandonment of the season two finale arc. I also dislike the implications the narrative brings forth if aang *had* killed ozai. I’m not a huge fan of magic lion turtle solution in the final and a rock being what allows aang to enter the avatar state, either. It feels kind of cheap and not properly foreshadowed. aang also remains pretty much the same throughout the entire show, and I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing. forcing aang to grapple with his avatar duties and his attachment to katara in order to unlock the avatar state was a great start… and then we just never talk about it again. and, of course, this is something katara doesn’t know anything about because god forbid she knows aang’s attachment to her stopped him from upholding his duty to the world. no one’s saying he couldn’t love katara, attachment is something else entirely.

I would like to add that fact that aang has one—if not the—highest body counts in the gaang (albeit, they’re offscreen and you can’t really argue they don’t matter because they’re fire nation soldiers when aang refuses to kill ozai), yet there’s a whole rah rah about killing in the show (and this black and white way of thinking is frustratingly pervasive in tsr). I mention this because the show kind of sets up this dual thing of aang’s air nomad beliefs vs his duties of stopping ozai and it sort of implies that aang would be “abandoning” his culture if he deposed of ozai. would aang be less air nomad if he killed ozai? was monk gyatso any less air nomad when he killed those fire nation soldiers during the invasion in defense (another death I don’t think really was properly explored with aang’s arc)? was avatar yangchen any less air nomad when she told aang he must do whatever is necessary to preserve the sanctity of the world? my short answer is, no. aang doesn’t really talk about what this means for him, either. he just… runs away. and then we get magic solution in the end.

I’d like to say that aang also being a *child* during this entire thing contributes to this moral conflict he has. he’s only twelve.

maybe this is playing devils advocates, but is taking ozai’s bending away not worse than death (especially knowing how embedded bending is for a bender)? ozai is powerless in the physical sense, but he is still alive and being zuko’s headache in the fire nation. he still has influence and he’s playing games even behind bars. the war may have ended, but there is still harm in ozai remaining alive. and I don’t really think aang is forced to grapple with any of this. not a huge fan of the comics, but at least these questions are being brought forth.

for the record, I do ship zutara! but even if I didn’t, I don’t think my answer to your question would really change.

[v88sy]

Lmao but for real. Idk if it's bts drama with Ryan or something but it's getting more and more obvious. Bobby, his captain just died and the guy is just over there offering a cookie to Ravi in these trying times like an extra on set with a blank expression on his face.

I refuse to feel bad for enjoying this situation. Bvddie shippers have made their own bed. I don't like Ryan at all, but even I can admit there's only so much toxicity an actor can take. Buck was at least allowed to exist in his own right in their eyes even if they couldn't stand him canonically dating a man (so much for being LGBT warriors and caring for representation!). But the way they're obsessed with Eddie and try to bring every plot he has back to him being "gay" is exhausting and weird as fuck.

Imagine being an actor and being excited for the storyline your character is getting that season and your fans are just like "we don't care, when are Buck and Eddie going to fuck on screen tho?" Not saying Eddie's plots have always been exciting at all, lord knows they've done some stupid shit with the character, but still. Eddie arguably had the most interesting SL in years while trying to mend his relationship with Chris and they could not have cared less because it meant he was in Texas and not bending over for Buck. I wouldn't blame Ryan if he wants out, if his acting in this ep is any indication, his heart just isn't in it anymore.

I didn't mind Eddie at first, I really didn't. But, it kind of feels like after Shannon died, the writers just...didn't know what to do with him. His entire existence became about grief without any real action to address it or deal with it. I get it, grief never really goes away, but you can't just Fight Club your way out of it either.

I often wonder if the writers intended to write him as insufferable and selfish as they have. He says things to hurt others and never reflects or takes accountability. It's been talked about ad nauseum here, but his friendship with Buck is incredibly one sided. Again, I don't know what's more scary...to think this was all by design...or that it wasn't.

And, since we're just going for it here, Ryandrew Tateman absolutely hasn't done himself any favors here. I know what he did. You know he did. And I wish I could say that was the only thing, or even the most recent.

On a personal note, I've worked in healthcare for 20 years, including the height of covid, so being an anti vaxx/anti covid vaxx is an instant 'fuck off' from me.

And the memes he's been sharing about Pete/Bobby? Salty edgelord.

You make excellent points about anything and everything being boiled down to Gay Eddie™ in some people's minds. Not even bi or demi, or any other shade of queer. It has to be gay, and Buck has to serve as the trad wife self insert surrogate. Which, really makes me question their motives, because it ain't representation. We already got that, and have since day one. Not that they'd ever know.

Look, it's very clear by now that I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot, but it's absolutely disgusting that people want to disregard his body autonomy by saying things like "it doesn't matter what he wants, they're gonna force him to do bddie anyways because it's what the people want".

No, they don't, and honestly, that makes me wonder about your views on consent. The role would involve, at the very least, kissing Oliver, (not that I'd mind myself, but that's another topic for another day) so...yes. It absolutely is his choice, as it should always be when engaging in contact with someone, acting job or not.

And yeah, I'll give it to you that he's probably tired as fuck about being reduced to nothing more than "the guy who absolutely must be gay because *insert harmful stereotype here.*"

And that's in addition to having every. single. interview. harp on the ship that he has said repeatedly that he doesn't want to do, for actually valid reasons, assuming those are the real reasons and he's not just blowing smoke up our ass.

So, yeah, I don't blame him for wanting an out, but I also don't think we should be blamed for wanting to be able to enjoy our show and the fandom as a whole once again.

All that being said...are you trying to put me in jail, katey 😂

[lemotmo]

Just rewatched the episode and omg the kitchen scene. Absolute cinema. Eddie just walking in calmly seeing the groceries seeing buck and then realising buck is pissed about something. It's so married coded. How many times have i seen arguments like this. Starting off small innocuous and then the actual problem comes out. The tension the acting... just chefs kiss. How both are hurting and just want the other to hug them. The lighting the cinematography. Hands down one of my favourite scenes in the show if not one my favorite buddie scene.

Only wish they hadn't had Ryan do the move forward and point at buck thing. Only because all I see are bad takes and ammunition for that Fandom that it's ruining my experience. I know I know I should ignore them but when it comes to Eddie i can't help it😅. Also made me wonder how the GA took this as. A scene between 'bros'? Or actually intimate moment? Do they even understand Eddie's characterization?

Anyway I'm gonna go and watch it again. Need to feed this into my veins.

I've combined these three asks, because they all touch upon a few topics I really wanted to talk about.

First of all, OH GOD YES! That scene was literal gold. It was soooo good! The acting was top notch, the direction and camera work were both amazing. Oliver was great as always and Ryan... well, that man has been showing us time and time again that he is one of the better actors on this show. They are all great, but that kitchen scene was on another level. I have rewatched it a billion times already! 😄

Both Buck and Eddie were at their most vulnerable in this scene. They wanted to show us that these two men KNOW each other through and through and even though they are hurting and grieving, they can still call each other out for their bullshit. It was like watching a married couple getting into a heated disagreement. Pure gold.

I'm also pretty sure the GA has caught on what is going on by now. 8x11 was very clear on the Buddie of it all. Then we had all those Facetime calls in 12 and 13. A lot of these people have been watching these kinds of procedurals for a very long time. 8x17 just made it more clear where this story is headed. They can see it coming.

Now for the discourse part of this reply:

I agree that it is VERY frustrating that some people have started using very loaded words, such as 'abuse' and 'assault', when it comes to Eddie's behaviour in the kitchen scene.

Especially because there is not an ounce of truth in any of their statements. In fact, most of these allegations are made because Eddie is clearly being set up as Buck's great big true love interest. And some fans do not agree with that, because they want Buck with someone else. So basically these 'abuse' or 'assault' claims are being made over a ship, which is frankly insane.

The way I look at it is that the majority of fans are extremely happy with the episode and especially this kitchen scene. But a small part of the 911 fandom have disliked and hated Eddie ever since BT happened. That hasn't changed. It never will, because Eddie is in the way of a plot device that used to be a racist and misogynistic bully. 🙄

And rereading that last sentence? Well, the fact that they keep stanning their own very problematic white man while openly hating on a half-Mexican man who had a short heated discussion with Buck? Tells me enough.

As for those few Buddie shippers/Buck stans who are also hating on Eddie? Pfff, again... nothing new, is it? Their precious Buckaroo needs to be protected at all times. Poor baby. 🙄

They refuse to let go of any of the arguments Buddie have ever had and where Eddie said something hurtful to Buck. I swear... the amount of times I still read about the whole 'You are exhausting' thing that Eddie once said SEASONS ago, is insane.

Why are people still stuck on that one line? Buck has long forgotten about that line, but some people still cling to it as some kind of misguided proof of abuse.

It's a dramatic TV-show! There will be drama between the characters! That's what makes these shows so interesting.

Buck is a grown man. He doesn't need coddling or babying. Having these kinds of confrontations and discussions will make him think and it will help his character evolve. There is no need to keep Buck into this 'oh poor baby' state of mind. Let him out!

Also, I don't think that any of these people yelling abuse know what they are talking about in the first place. Social media has really given a lot of people a skewed image of wat abuse really looks like.

Having a heated argument in the kitchen is NOT abuse. Using your finger to angrily point at someone is NOT abuse. Showing someone that you are also grieving and in pain? THAT IS NOT ABUSE!

It's frankly disturbing that people seem to have convinced themselves it is actual abuse, especially in a show that has shown us REAL abuse with the Maddie & Doug storyline.

If what happened in that kitchen between Eddie and Buck was abuse? My entire family, myself included, would be 'abusers'. I come from a passionate family and we have these kinds of arguments a lot. 😆 Half an hour later all is forgiven and forgotten again. 🤷‍♀️

Look, at the end of the day, there will always be unhappy people who will hate on Eddie for no reason whatsoever. It sucks, but it won't change.

I tend to ignore them and let them scream into the void. Block whenever I come across them.

Because you know what?

We all know the truth: Eddie is a wonderful man and Buck is lucky to have him in his life.

Oh and...

Buddie is going canon. Suck it up haters! 😌