#and i like that ship but i refuse to talk to the shippers if they want to be like that

[hkthatgffan]

I know this is a very generic question, and you've probably already answered this question at some point, but what do you think of the GF fandom at large?

Overall, I think the Gravity Falls fandom being able to keep itself going and still alive after so long is a testament to the dedication of fans and also the timeless aspect of the show itself. I wouldn't be where I am without this fandom and I owe it a ton. I feel like it's changed me for the better in many ways than I probably was when I first joined it. No fandom is perfect, but the GF fandom for me shines the best when it comes to the good over the bad.

If we go by specific parts of it, that really depends. I think GF Tumblr is pretty fun, though a lot more Grunkle love here than any other part of the fandom, lmao. Meanwhile, gftwt is sort of the same but with a mix of Billford, TBOB and more newer GF fans on it that are a lot more expansive and unhinged in ways that I find both pretty cool and also kinda weird (though considering the type of people I saw in my days in the SVTFOE Twitter fandom, still way better). The GF Reddit I feel is on a decline, as the subs are a bit of a mess of bots, reposts, some iffy takes that make me less wanting to associate with that site, asking the same questions or theories and rarely any really interesting new content and if so, it's ignored. I barely use Reddit nowadays and tbh, I'm probably gonna quit that site soon or just not use it like I do GF Amino. Speaking of, GF Amino is basically dead and despite being where I began, glad about that as Amino is trash. Then GF Instagram is sorta just...reels I guess. There's a few cool artists left but many of the GF fan accounts of old from when even I was in my prime I'd say on IG are now gone or just a shell of their former self. I don't really engage on there much now besides the people I follow so, not much to say anymore there. GF YouTube also I just sorta stick to my own corner and do what I wanna rather than what gets views. Beyond that, I'm not on other social medias like TikTok cause I'm a boomer who refuses to download that app and other sites like Bluesky and more, I just don't have enough of a grip on to see what fandom is there.

There's also a lot I've learned in regards to the sub communities in the fandom which is pretty interesting too from exploring and talking to people in them. The AU community is still pretty strong, as well as the fanfic community, the grunkle community on here is insane but all loving and kind souls who really care for what they love, the dipcifica community is a mix of either pretty chill shippers or the most toxic and obnoxious people you'll ever meet while despite it all, wendip still has a tightknit community and many in it are pretty chill and not as horrible as some in the fandom make them out to be (saying this from experience, I've run into more awful dipcifica shippers than of most any other ship for this show), the billford community is a mix of old timers who finally have their moment to shine or newer fans who probably are having the same phase that billdip shippers did years ago and probably will cringe at half the stuff they posted to AO3 in a few years time, lmao. There's like 50K GF fanzines in production and none of them are about Dipper and Mabel (please someone give the twins some love). There's a very close group of GF fans who are united in terms of being in direct contact with Alex Hirsch (I'm in that one, lol). And also the artist community is amazing in terms of the variety and dedication to the show.

I wish tbh the GF fandom gave more characters attention like Wendy, Pacifica in a non Dipcifica manner and even Dipper and Mabel. Obviously it's not the same but it sometimes feels like Dipper and Mabel are treated like the frogs in Amphibia are with the Grunkles and Bill being the Anne, Sasha and Marcy of the fandom with the most art, content and media made for them by fans. That said, I can also get it given there is appeal to them for the more content there can be told about them compared to Dipper and Mabel who have had their story completed and also their time to shine as old school GF fandom art was dominated by them more so. I think also it has to do with the age factor of GF fans now. Many fans on here are older fans in their mid 20s to early 30s or more. They have more experience and relate more with the older GF characters like the Stans and McGucket. So, it's not a surprise Tumblr GF is dominated by those characters. Other GF fans with a more Bill obsession are also those fans but also more younger GF fans who find Bill cool and they wanna make stuff related to him like art, AU's, memes and more. Same goes for other communities like Reddit, IG, Amino back in the day, etc. Similarly too with the Stans in that sense as well and so, it makes it pretty easy for them to be fan favourites more so.

Dipper and Mabel for me are my favourites and always will be, cause I related a lot to them when I was growing up. I had Mabel's fears of the future and Dipper's aspirations to be more than what I was for my age. I think relatability too has a factor in that. So, that's why I always advocate for more Mystery Twins content cause Dipper and Mabel are my favourites the same way Stan, Ford or Bill are to others. I think there's room for us all but just a need for more diversity in terms of the communities and finding the right people. There's still a Dipper and Mabel community out there and whenever I see art for them, I'll reblog it the same way I do for the Stans or Bill.

But yeah, I think I've rambled now a bit too much. Overall, I think the GF fandom is a rich and diverse group of insane but amazing people and I couldn't be happier to be part of it. It's not perfect and has aspects of it I wish were different or that I disagree with. But that is outweighed by my love of this community and all the dedication it's got. Not many shows can say they still have as loyal a fandom as Gravity Falls does. Especially a modern era Disney cartoon. We're lucky and I couldn't be happier than I am in this fandom.

[god-damnit-vinne]

the sheer amount of i've-got-bitches-itis shuichi has during drv3 extras is actually making my head spin like

okay you teal haired twink

[epickiya722]

Some shippers that be hating on BkDk be the same people who be like "why they hate us so much? why am I blocked? why isn't my ship being appreciated with fics and art? why do they think we're toxic?"

Because you're the same people who use the ship tag to antagonize people. People wouldn't want to associate themselves with you because you're being an asshole. You're wasting your time posting hate instead of creating those fics and art you want.

[qcoded]

as much as I dislike henray as a romantic ship, I can't deny the show itself gave so much content for it. I don't think I can describe the look of shock on my face everytime they made some sort of innuendo about 'em like. WHO APPROVED THIS ? 💔

[nyxi-pixie]

tbh i do think a lot of skk enjoyers have takes about as interesting as toilet water and about as accurate as taking a paragraph and translating it back and forth between every language on google translate and then asking a ouija board to tell you what the newly spouted nonsensical bs means, but some people talk abt this like theyre a unique plague on the bsd fandom as a whole when literally 80% of this fandom has stupid takes and forgets the source material. its just cos skk shippers make up the vast majority of the fandom that ur gonna see the verbal equivalent of raw sewage coming from them most

[ink-the-shitposter]

I think it might have to do with the guy playing dean being uncomfortable with them making their characters gay, which is rly funny bro you are an actor 😭

still amazes me that by season 45 or whatever, Supernatural was being exclusively watched by delusionally hopeful women with flamingo-salinity tolerance for bad writing and the creators still couldn’t pander to them because maybe there was 1 straight guy out there still accidentally watching it

[milkamel]

Ahem. Hi.

I know I've drawn a lot of shadowvanilla stuff recently and yapped about how much I love it when actually… I was lying.

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I HATE IT WITH BURNING PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!! I only drew it cause it was.......... ugh, popular 🙄🙄

You people love abusive ships huh what's wrong with you like actually how can you ship something that has such a big power imbalance?? Are TOXIC relationships a joke to you?

Thinking that I'm being stupid and that this ship isn't an abuser x victim?? Well, let me show you proof.

(ALSO PLEASE REBLOG TO SPREAD THE AWARENESS!!!!)

Look at Truthless Recluse here, he's clearly distressed and angry. Not like how Pure Vanilla would act, as he's nice and sweet with everyone. BUT NOT WITH SHADOW MILK...........

You know what they say.............… abusers only show their true selves with people they abuse and here he is screaming at the poor Smilky Twinky like an angry feral animal!! As you can see 'Pure' Vanilla isn't actually THAT pure…. he's a heartless monster who torments the poor little guy...................... (I bet he throws beer bottles at Shamil too)

Next point!

A lot of people lately have been spreading an absolutely inaccurate headcanon that Pure Vanilla is 'minor coded' which is a blatant LIE.............. It has been proven that Shadow Milk is the one who's minor coded and has been unfairly attacked.

Here we see him turn into a kid specifically when PV is around. You know why? Correct, he's scared of Pure Vanilla. He feels small around him, helpless, like a child so he literally becomes one. Not so funny now, shadowvanilla shippers? (also the fact that he's a jester!! kids like toys and flashy stuff!! minor coded behavior!!)

Now the manipulation.

The whole 8th episode has been nothing but a cruel masterplan created by Truthless Recluse designed to break Shadow Milk's heart..... How cruel must you be to lie to someone who's just lonely and wants a friend? Just peak psychopathic behavior on PV's part. (He even says that he did that to make Shamil to lower his guard!! He doesn't even hide that and admits his crimes!!)

Just look how sad and desperate he's here… no one deserve this…....

And after that betrayal, stab in the back, Pure Vanilla attempted to BEFRIEND him? This is manipulation too. He tries to act like he isn't the bad guy, as if he didn't just break Shadow Milk beyond repair. But how can you befriend someone who deceived you? I don't blame Smilk for refusing this offer run my boy, don't let him trick you!!

(look at how heartbroken and hurt he is after P**e V*****a beat him up,, talk about 'friendship'...........)

So as you can see this ship SHOULDN'T BE SHIPPED at any point. Pure Vanilla is the abuser, manipulator, gaslighter and a lot more. While Shadow Milk was his poor puppet he played with him for his own amusement. This ship is the worst thing I had yet witnessed in this life and if you ship it uhhhhhh- I hope both sides of your pillow are hot.............................gross..... be better.

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but ngl I think them kissing isn't that bad yk a little bit toxicity in the ship doesn't hurt anyone!!!

Happy April Fools btw <3 (expect more shadowvanilla art in the future I need them to make out <3)

[trexiejan]

My thoughts: Barbara/Dickbabs fans love to accuse Starfire/Dickkory fans of misogyny and ableism yet here's Barbara mistreating other women.

Reading comments from dickbabs shippers is so scary. you're not allowed to simply dislike Barbara anymore without Barbara fans and Dickbabs shippers jumping on you and accusing you of ableism/misogyny..

So preferring another woman over a woman is misogyny?

So you hate disabled people now if you don't prefer Dick with Barbara?

or maybe some people just simply don't like Barbara and i think that's totally fine. Not everyone has to like what you like.

You can't ever say your opinion about their favorite character and ship without getting personally insulted and attacked by them and If you dare simply criticize some of barbara's bad actions and their ship's awful writings they'll talk about you in their private groupchats nonstop and convince the others to harass you too. It's not normal being scared and being threatened just for saying you don't like a certain character and prefer a character with someone else.

They treat Barbara like she's some sort of untouchable goddess who everyone has to like and worship even though she herself has done awful things to other people, she slutshames and degrades women when she gets jealous like she was so harsh and mean to Kory just because she has a romantic history with Dick.. She mocked Kory's looks and refused to help her on a mission where thousands of her people were dying and all she could ever think about was "is she going with Dick?" like girl wtf. be professional. 🤦‍♀️

She also slutshamed Helena and called her night with Dick "a cheap meaningless one night stand" despite the fact Dick told Helena he doesn't do casual sex, also it was not her place to reveal to anyone that Helena slept with Arsenal like how would you feel if one day you woke up and you found out that your coworker told everyone in your workplace that you were sleeping with a guy behind your back . She has no respect for a woman's privacy and mind you she did it out of spite cuz she was jealous again that she's not the only woman Dick loved.

and here's another thing, her fans love to accuse starfire fans of being ableist towards her but it's funny how Babs herself was ableist to Cass aka a female character who has dyslexia. She called her stupid just because she doesn't know how to read.

Also none of them spoke about women's rights when official comicbook writers slutshamed and mistreated the other women in Dick's life just to uplift Barbara and definitely none of them cared when their favorite dickbabs writer aka Tom Taylor liked a pro-barbara comment bashing Starfire but when someone says a single thing about Barbara it's World War 3 for them 🙄

They even created a picture where they said A real dickkory fan doesn't hate on Barbara I'm sorry but not everything depends on Barbara. A person can be a real dickkory fan while not liking Barbara at the same time. Let people dislike Barbara in peace! It's not anyone's fault that you Barbara fans are a bunch of triggered insecure buttthurt entitled brats who can't accept the fact not everyone likes Barbara Gordon! Also there's no need to be hypocritical. I've seen hundreds of you defacing and slutshaming Starfire too for years!!!

You guys act like a hypocritical totalitarian regime controlling people and censoring them left and right. It's really scary and also pathetic at the same time. You can't force people to like her and your ship. Sorry your feelings got hurt but there's nothing that you can do to change other people's minds about Barbara. They can dislike her and say why whenever they want. It's called freedom of speech and personal preference. They don't owe you anything for you to act like they should submit to your demands. If you can't accept that then that's more of a You problem. You guys need to work on your insecurity issues cuz it's higher than the Mount Everest at this point!!

[demonic0angel]

Maybe...Dany/Cass meet-cute?

Or, if you're ok with that maybe even Danny/Cass/Steph meet-cute?

Either way, regardless of ship, I'm picturing Danny, somewhere between 23-38 years old, being a single dad to a hyper and excitable tiny Ellie, who likes to hold his hand and drag him with her to whatever special interest catches her attention at the moment.

And that's where they meet Cass, who gets to watch as a man gets dragged to all the "girl stuff" stores by his kid, and instead of refusing, kr acting embarrassed, Danny just sighs fondly, and indulges his little girl in her insistence to see him with nails painted like hers.

Maybe they bump into Cass on the way out of the latest store, and when Cass swings by their place later on to ensure they're safe, Ellie comes running to open the window Cass was perched under, and comes to greet her.

And Cass would've liked to adopt the little tyke like Bruce did her, but if she can also snag herself the Dad, she'll be even happier.

Maybe, if you're ok with Danny/Cass/Steph (my little multi shipper heart adores these thre gremlins together) , Cass and Ellie vibe while Ellie tells her about her day, and Steph is the one who's shamelessly flirting with Danny? (Danny could do with having the classic DILF build, so steph can much more accurately call him that and watch him combust and stutter)

(Sorry if this makes little sense, it's 4 a.m and the insomny hit hard tonight 😅)

Steph whistled lowly. "Hottie alert. Ooh, he has a daughter! How cute!" She was quickly distracted by the sight of the small child wandering around under her father's watchful gaze.

"No ring," Cass said, observing the man before looking back at the small child that was toddling around.

Steph looked back at the man and pumped a fist. "Hell yeah. More daddy issues, here we come! Should we go talk to him?"

Cass snorted. "Maybe later." Both of them were in the park, bored after getting a random free day for the first time in a long time. They were sitting together, people watching and particularly focused on the father-daughter pair, one who was cute and the other who was hot.

"Don't go too far, Dani!" The man called. "I'll be sitting here!"

"Okay!" Was the very adorable reply. Steph squealed and slapped Cass' shoulder, who sighed at her girlfriend's excitement.

The small child was happily kicking at rocks on the ground when something in the distance began running towards her. Her father didn't seem to notice yet, looting through a bag for something.

Steph and Cass immediately stood up from the bench when they saw that it was an unleashed dog speeding towards the child. Its face was set in a snarl and it seemed determined to get to its target. Dani, the child, started shrieking when she finally noticed it.

Both girls instantly swooped in. Steph picked up Dani, jumping back as Cass swiftly grabbed hold on the dog's collar, yanking it back. It gave a yelp and writhed from the chokehold.

Cass let it go and glared down at it as it whimpered and whined.

"Dani!" The man screamed before running over. Steph didn't notice, distracted by the shaking child in her hands and the dog's owner, who came running towards them with a furious expression.

"How dare you! I'll call the police on you! Don't touch my dog, you—" the woman shrieked.

"Actually!" Steph snarled, as Cass came back to stand by her side. Steph handed Dani to her without a second thought and stepped in front of them. "We should call the police on you! It's against the law to let your dog run unleashed in public spaces in Gotham. And your dog almost attacked a kid!"

They argued some more but Steph was eventually able to drive her off without any recuperations. Steph clicked her tongue irritably. "What a jerk!" Steph sniffed.

Cass nodded, still holding Dani.

"Uhh."

They both turned to the father, who was standing there with a vaguely amused expression, an eyebrow raised. He lifted his hands. "Can I have my child back?"

Both Steph and Cass looked at Dani, who was contentedly sitting in the latter's arms without a single care, and started. "Oh my gosh! We're so sorry!"

Cass gingerly but quickly handed over Dani to her father. Thankfully, he was very agreeable because he just laughed before hugging his daughter tightly. He gave both Cass and Steph a grateful smile.

"Thank you so much for helping me and saving my daughter. Err, could I buy you two dinner? As thanks?" He gave a friendly and obliviously charming smile.

Cass opened her mouth to refuse out of principle and Steph immediately grabbed her arm and interrupted her, "Yes! Absolutely!"

The man beamed. "My name's Danny. This is Dani, with an I. I didn't name her, by the way, if you're asking."

Steph laughed and held on even tighter to Cass, both eying him with heavy gazes. "I'm Steph and this is Cass. I think we're going to get along swimmingly, Danny."

[nyxreads]

Let's talk about accountability in this fandom.

This isn’t a "drag" post. This is a please think before you post kind of post. Some stuff has been going on in this fandom that really needs to be addressed — not to hate, but to reflect and do better.

1. A poll about college degrees was posted to "prove" which ship has the smartest fans. Yeah... that’s classist.

Asking which ship (Gwynriel, Elriel, Elucien) has more readers with degrees, especially in STEM, to basically say "our side is smarter." That’s not cute.

You can be smart without a degree.

You can love books without going to college.

You can be brilliant, analytical, and insightful even if life didn’t give you the same chances.

Being from a poor background doesn’t give you a free pass to use your education as a flex against others. It just ends up reinforcing the same classist mindset that holds people back in the first place.

2. A wlw fanart was posted and it got "sisters" "friends" comments. That is homophobic, even if you didn’t mean it that way.

This under a sapphic fanart even though the OP clearly intended it as romantic. When people (including the OP) spoke up, the response was “We ship Emorie, so we’re not homophobic.”

Here’s the thing:

Liking one queer ship doesn’t mean you can’t do something homophobic. "I am bisexual, I am not homophobic." Being bi doesn’t cancel out the harm caused by dismissing a queer romantic ship as "sisterly."

Nobody called you a homophobic person but your actions toward that fanart were absolutely homophobic.

Queer people have been seeing their relationships dismissed as "just close friends" or "sisters" for decades. So yes, that word carries weight. It’s not harmless.

If someone from the queer community says "Hey, that hurts" it’s not the time to say "But I ship this one gay couple." It’s the time to listen.

3. Stealing and editing Elriel fanart to turn it into Gwynriel? Also not okay.

Fanart theft is still theft. People put time, love, and effort into art. Editing their work without permission especially to erase the original ship is super disrespectful.

If you love your ship, commission art for it. Don’t just take someone else’s.

And here’s the frustrating part:

Every time this kind of behavior gets called out, the people doing it twist the narrative. They’ll say they’re being "bullied" or "attacked," and somehow turn themselves into the victim while taking zero accountability.

They’ve never been wrong, no matter how many times they’ve been called out.

Meanwhile, the people speaking up who are just trying to defend boundaries, respect art, or stand up for queer rep are the ones being labeled as "toxic." This is exactly how they keep getting away with it.

By refusing to reflect, by twisting the story, and by shutting down any chance for growth.

It’s not bullying to ask people to take responsibility. It’s not drama to want better from a fandom space. And it’s not wrong to call out harm especially when it keeps repeating.

Lastly, to everyone out there without a degree, still reading and loving stories, you matter. Your voice counts. You’re smart, creative, and valid.

To queer shippers, wlw fans, and the artists who bring those stories to life, thank you. Your work is powerful. Your ships are beautiful.

Let’s just… be better to each other. Fandom is supposed to be fun and safe and creative not a place for elitism, erasure, or stealing.

We all deserve a space where our love for stories and characters can thrive without having to prove our worth.

[777cherry-blossom777]

Here are my thoughts on the Ethel Cain situation going on rn (it’s gonna be long so if you want the short version: I think this whole thing is stupid).

Allegation 1: She made art of “child porn”.

Not true. It was a chibi drawing of a 19 year old character called teddy. Idk where people are getting the age of six from that’s just random.

Allegation 2: she was a wincest shipper.

True. Even though I personally never fell victim to shipping wincest, I fear that if that’s a crime, then 60% of teens on tumblr in the 2010s will be arrested. Like come on now, it’s not some super niche ship it was one of the most popular ships in the supernatural fandom (a very popular fandom).

Allegation 3: She fetishises pedophilia.

Not true. For this one, I want everyone to remember the superbowl. At one point, samuel L Jackson says (in regard to Kendrick’s show) that it’s “too loud, too reckless, too ghetto”. This was obviously part of the show. When this happened did people say ‘OMG Samuel L Jackson is so racist he thinks all black people are ghetto!’? No. Because everybody could see the OBVIOUS fact that it was a CRITIQUE of how racists talk about Kendrick. That applies to Punish by Ethel Cain. Just because it’s from a pedophile’s perspective, it doesn’t mean Ethel is a pedophile or loves pedos; she is CRITIQUING pedophilia by showing us the twisted way pedos think!

Allegation 4: everything about incest.

This one is going to be long so strap in. Her album “inbred” is not actually about incest. Or, it is, but it is an allegory for generational trauma (she has said this a million times in a million interviews). What is incest? Clinging on and refusing to let go of toxic family members in a way that causes rot. What is generational trauma? Clinging on and refusing to let go of toxic family members in a way that causes rot. Fun fact from an ancient history student (me), the word ‘incest’ comes from ‘incestum’, a term used in Ancient Rome to basically mean impure. Yes, it could refer to inbreeding between close relatives within a family, but it was also used for anything they considered a kind of ‘sexual impurity’, such as the vestal virgins (sacred women who were not allowed to have sex) having sex. While the term does mean sexual/romantic familial relationships now, the very origins of it are about the rot or impurity that is caused (if anyone’s read Oedipus they know what I’m talking about). The whole incest thing is a reference to the way toxic family relationships can rot you from the inside out. That’s the whole concept. In ‘hard times’ she does reference incest, and it’s not in a super sexy positive way. If you thought it was you need to listen again because omg you missed the point.

Allegation 5: her boyfriend did some shitty things.

Conclusion: irrelevant??? Whyyyyyy do we continue to demonise women for the actions of men? Please I thought we moved past this. If her boyfriend even did do shitty things, Ethel had no control over that and she probably didn’t even know. Why are we mad at her and not the guy when he’s the one who allegedly did something wrong???

Allegation 6: tweets abt abortion and racism.

A quick note before I begin here, most of these screenshots that are going around are from when she was FIFTEEN. She was obviously raised in an extremely conservative household (as we already know) and yes at that age your parent’s ideologies rub off on you. So what if she said abortion was bad TWELVE YEARS AGO? She currently donates loads to various abortion charities and consistently petitions and protests for abortion rights. OBVIOUSLY HER IDEAS HAVE CHANGED. In regard to the racism, yes this was bad. I’m not gonna say everything’s fine because she was young, but not only has she spoken about this MULTIPLE TIMES in the past five years and apologised and taken accountability for her behaviour, she (again) donates and protests and petitions for human rights. She recently took part in an abolish-ICE fundraiser, she has consistently spoken up in support of people of colour, and she had a whole live addressing the problematic colonialism that is sometimes associated with the southern gothic aesthetic and how she wants to make it clear she absolutely does NOT hold those views.

If people aren’t allowed to make mistakes, how are we supposed to grow? I understand if people have problematic pasts and try to sweep it under the rug, but she’s addressed these issues MULTIPLE TIMES and apologised. Not only that, but she’s taken ACTUAL MEANINGFUL ACTION and supported organisations that are actually trying to make positive change. Genuinely, I don’t really know what people want from her. Like literally what more can she do? “I just want her to apologise-“ she did, “I just want her to consider and value the opinions of poc-“ she has, “I want her to actually do something instead of just apologising-“ she has.

Last thing. The amount of people who have immediately taken this as an opportunity to misgender her without even thinking for a second about the type of hypocrisy and harm they’re causing is awful. Trans women are women, no matter what their views are.

[numberonekrisfan6453]

"Suselle this" "Krusie that" STFU!! THIS IS WHY ALL OF THEM ARE PEAK

+Kriselle is peak too and why Krusielle is THE BEST out of everything. Posting this on tumblr before I maybe post this on tiktok, Its pretty fucking long tho so I doubt anyone would read this all

TLDR:

Each one of them gives something to the table every ship is missing overall. Suselle is sweet but missing closeness, Krusie has chemistry but is missing maturity, and Kriselle has tension but is missing boldness. All three of them are very well written and unique to where all three ships are very well made and they all have their own type of chemistry with one another.

SUSELLE

"Suselle is stereotypical, boring, and Noelle only likes Susie from the outside" NONE OF THOSE ARE TRUE!! IF YOU ACTUALLY GAVE A FUCK ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE CHARACTERS (esp Noelle) THEN YOU'LL UNDERSTAND.

First stereotypical is only bad when the stereotype is harmful and shallow. Yes it is nerd x strong girl all over again but Noelles whole personality and reasoning for liking Susie isnt that she wants to be saved by some strong butch. She likes Susie because she hates the part of herself that is vulnerable all the time. This is seen throughout the whole game, her father mentions how she gets like "A deer stuck in headlights" when facing her fears, and shes actively trying to be better by exposing herself and eventually feeling comfort in scary things. This is why she adores Susie because she wants to be stronger and the same thing people hate about Susie, Noelle loves and appreciates. (Kriselle part goes abit more into Noelle)

And also Susie definetly likes Noelle back. Have some media literacy people!! Susie is constantly trying to know what Noelle thinks of her, shes always asking questions of if Noelle thinks/dreams of her. She doesnt do that with anyone else. And Susie 'spared' her because she thought her smile was nice?? After chapter 2 she also talks and thinks about Noelle pretty frequently. Thinking about what Noelle would do or like, we dont obviously see into her thoughts all the time but that just proves that when she thought about what Noelle would do that its something to note. Though its not implicitly stated, Susie does have feelings towards Noelle and likely doesnt know what romantic love feels like. Also she tells Kris to look for the clues instead of her despite knowing Kris is close to Noelle more, maybe im looking into it too much but shes definetly interested in knowing more about Noelle and wanting to know what Noelle thinks of her. She never cares about that with others thinks until theyre close.

The two of them together two have really good chemistry. Noelle needs someone who can put her out of her comfort zone and matches her freak (in scary things.) Meanwhile Susie needs someone who can give her reassurance, love her flaws, and be mature enough that Susie doesnt accidentally do something stupid.

KRUSIE

Kris and Susie definetly have the best chemistry out of all the ships. The shippers piss me off though, the 'Cuckelle' memes is really disgusting considering thats a highschool girl youre talking about and the image is likely from rule 34. Theyre the whole reason im making this post in the first place cause yall just dont care about Noelle and it shows. So if you skipped the Suselle part, go the fuck back and maybe try to actually understand Noelle. (Im not saying all Krusie shippers are misogynistic, but this is constantly happening with fandoms hating or ignoring feminine women because they get 'in the way of a ship'. This is why ship wars are always happening because you refuse to see every character equally and respect others opinion)

Im not saying all Krusie shippers, just ignorant ones. If you dont think youre apart of that then its not directed to you. -- This was mainly aimed at tiktok people, idk about tumblr shippers but yall seem chill

Anyways!! Krusie is very much peak and I SWEAR Tricky Tony is hinting at it. YOU CAN NOT TELL ME THAT THAT SCENE WHERE KRIS PULLS SUSIE, IT WASNT IMPLYING THEY WERE ABOUT TO KISS. Like the build up hello?? for the arguments

"Susie used to bully Kris so its weird" Which I feel is a somewhat valid argument for not liking it especially if you have been bullied before, but them as characters make it work. Susies bullying came from a place of jealousy, it hasnt been stated yet but Susie obviously has a bad home life. When Susie mentioned her being treated by Toriel at the Diner, at that point Susie started seeing Toriel as an idolized maternal figure. It seems like every scene Susie was being mean to Kris, she mentions their mom. Susies frustration to Kris comes from a bad childhood and maybe also because shes afraid Toriel told Kris about Susies soft side so tries to seem tougher around them? But not sure.

Kris doesnt give a fuck, or atleast tries to show that they dont. On Noelles blog when she was writing about Susie picking on Kris, Kris seems very nonchalant about everything, even laughing and then saying something to make Susie immediately run off. It may also seem like Kris is just acting but even during the game when Susie almost bites off their head, they just dont move or struggle. (They can move without our influence, just not certain choices and gameplay). Though we dont know why Kris isnt responsive, its likely that they just dont care or some people think they may be suicidal, but I (want to) believe more in the first reason. They understand Susies pain and insecurities and they know she wont actually cause any harm. Though if the second reason they might not care because they dont care about what happens to them, or worse they like that Susie harms them... Getting abit dark, I love character examinations tho so I really might do one of kris one day. >:)

Now for the present, all of their interactions literally make me say "I love these two so much", theyre both just weirdos with maybe violent tendancies and trauma but seem to find comfort with one another which makes everything so much better. They are constantly saving one another, Susie also expresses alot of guilt that they werent friends before. I feel that in future chapters we'll likely go into that hopefully. Susie also gives Kris a sense of freedom. Kris very obviously hates their situation that they have no choice in what to do oe say, Susie just does whatever she wants. Shes constantly dismissing the players choice and pointing out certain things that Kris themself does. She is what Kris needs, someone that they can be goofy with and forget that theyre being controlled. Though, this ship is also a breeding ground for angst

Susie doesnt know Kris. Though Kris's personality shines out sometimes, theres scenes where its obvious that she doesnt understand them. Noelle states that Kris has been acting weird, and its said before Kris knows Noelle better than anyone, this can be seen as vice versa as Noelle was Kris's best friend before they got possessed. But when Noelle says that, Susie says "thats just how Kris is" thinking that Kris is normal when being controlled. Not only that, Susie has major trust issues. She says "Theres nothing I hate more than people who dont tell you the full deal". Theyre really leading us into angst, because Susie is going to be seriously heartbroken when they find out that Kris is in cahoots with the knight (supposedly) and that the person she thought was her first closest friend was actually posessed all along. Also note in the snowgrave route after you and Noelle talk in her room, when youre walking to the chuch with Susie she thinks you were talking bad about her with Noelle. Which KILLS me. Kris isnt able to say anything about it too. It seems like in the snowgrave route Susie is also pretty affected by everything.

Still, I really like the ship based on their chemistry together. Susie is just what Kris needs, platonic or not. Also I love angst but if they dont get a happy ending where Kris and Susie are happy together I will hunt down Tony.

KRISELLE

Besides the very angsty toxic yuri snowgrave route, Kriselle is also very cute and rare in the fandom. Though its not as popular I still think theyre pretty cute for each other and have a good dynamic

Its established that Kris and Noelle were very good childhood friends, and even though its hard to pinpoint their relationship now, they still very clearly care for one another and consistently go out of their way to help one another. (Also though I said besides the snowgrave route, ill still be using it for reference). For Noelle she still always wants to help Kris, first scenes we see of her she offers to ask the teacher for a trio since Kris was late. She also mentions how Kris knows her the best, Noelle is very much a weirdo, maybe not as much as Kris but she does love games, horror movies and creepy pastas. Shes interested in things that scare her and wants to be braver. Though Kris is controlled now, whenever Kris was little and pranked Noelle I like to think that Kris knew about Noelles situation and wanted to help her. Kris helps Noelle to be more of her true self, and despite Noelle being unsure if they’re friends now (likely to the whole Dess situation and their familys being seperated), shes still always fond of Kris and knows Kris always wants the best for her. She also knows Kris the best out of everyone, able to tell whenever theyre not themselves and does show concern. Also Noelle was so easily manipulated in the snowgrave route because she trusts Kris so much, she believed that Kris is just helping her get stronger and they would never do anything to harm her.

For Kris to Noelle, though we cant see it alot in the main route we do go more into it in snowgrave. Its likely that Noelle was Kris first friend, Kris has been described as sorta a menace growing up. Noelle is always really understanding and patient for others, even for berdly who probably makes her uncomfortable alot, she still stays his friend and helps him with his grades. Those aspects are something Kris needs especially with their condition right now. Its also seen throughout the snowgrave route, Kris very much cares about Noelle aswell. After chapter 2 snowgrave route, Noelle mentions Kris coming over to their house, reassuring her that everything will be ok. Even in their souless weak state, they go out of their way to walk to her house, probably climb her gate, and say sorry. And in chapter 4 snowgrave, this is the most we ever see them frustrated at our actions. Their mood becomes less happier, theyre frantic to stop the soul making everything worse, and becomes more violent, kicking us constantly and biting their hand from us doing choices they do not agree to. My theory why their relationship deteriorated was a part of this reason, cause they were scared that the souls actions would hurt her.

NOW WHY KRUSIELLE IS THE BEST OUT OF ALL OF THEM

Ive already gone through all of each others relationship so ill just go over why adding the character to the different ships is the best option

Suselle - Kris is the bridge for them, Susie and Noelle didnt start hanging out till Kris was there to help them. Yes maybe at some point they wouldve started hanging out by themselves, but Susie only started softening up and being ok with others because they were friend with Kris first. Right now, Kris knows the both of them the best. If Kris does have romantic feelings for any of them, it just feels super sad.

Krusie - Even if theyre lovable stupid weirdos together, we need someone in this relationship who will be mature and not lead them to accidentally kill themelves. Ralsei is originally this role but considering Ralsei may or may not be related to Asriel its sorta weird without confirming. Also Ralseis pushover when it comes to them (love u Ralsei sorry). Noelle is the best person for this. Shes smart, non judgmental, and though shes also a pushover shes actively trying to be better and most likely less more bold the more comfortable she is with the person. In the long run Kris and Susie will probably end up burning everything if Noelle isnt there to help them be more mature. Noelle will also likely be a mediator, Kris doesnt talk about their problems and Susie needs communication. Noelle is mature enough to help the both of them.

Kriselle - Even though theyre childhood friends, they both seem to be very avoidant about their situation right now. Like how Susie is in the fun gang, shes always the one being bold and being a beacon of hope when Kris and Ralsei is pessimistic. I like to see it as Susies the only one out of the three who would point out they didnt want pickles in their burger. Susie is also likely to convince Noelle to talk about Noelles and Kris's damaged friendship, Susies always curious about them being close and even though Noelle dismisses it, Susies bold enough to make Noelle face the problem.

Conclusion:

Shut the fuck up, they are all good ships.

Uh, Kerdlys also here ig

Torturing Kris in a funny way,

TECHNICALLY, You can see it canon that Kris is Berdlys gamer soulmate since they both play the same games,

I hate that damn bird but I support yall Kerdly shippers u guys funny,

[badgalsasuke]

Hi! None of my friends are into Naruto so I came to your ask. Please bear with me :,(

It’s nothing serious: just wanted to ramble about Naruto and Sasuke in Naruto Gaiden. They give such huge exes energy it’s both painful and funny to witness.

It’s painful because they both clearly didn’t let go of their feelings. Naruto sends his shadow clone to deal with his own son (or go to his own daughter’s birthday!) but he meets Sasuke in person. And it’s not like it was even necessary! He was pretty comfortable talking about this exact problem on a phone with Kakashi. He could’ve sent Sasuke a letter, he could’ve sent someone else to help him, he could’ve sent him a goddamn clone.

And Sasuke being all bitter with Naruto in that flashback. Kishimoto was literally showing us the real exes behavior and too many people didn’t bat an eye. (I’m really curious how sns deniers explain that scene)

There was a whole ass Hinata humiliation moment with bento. Boruto wanted to return the bento to her because even he knew Naruto would not appreciate it and when Naruto finally got it the only thing he thought about was how Sasuke fed him. Not even a single thought about his wife or at least his children?

Naruto always being there for Sarada while neglecting his own child… wow. I never thought he and Sasuke were that similar. (Also him, and not Sasuke’s wife, telling Sasuke’s daughter about his past. Nah, definitely doesn’t ring a bell lmao)

Naruto thinking of Iruka and Sasuke when talking about love and family. I guess if he really loved his wife he would’ve thought of her too. She’s supposed to be his immediate family now…

I know there are people who are homophobic and just refuse to see the obvious, but there’s literally a bunch of people who are dumb or blind. And of course there’s this special category of dumb who think that Kishimoto “accidentally” created his own story.

I just know he spent many nights sleepless, trying to make ss and nh as realistic as it should be. I wish more people recognized work.

Anyways, sorry for my messy ask. I’m just full of thoughts rn. I almost didn’t include ss moments cuz they’re not even worth mentioning, plus you’ve talked about the forehead poke several times and I agree with everything you said. Thanks for reading or no offense if you decided to skip my ask 🫶

Hi anon!

I think people saw what was going on with Gaiden and that's why it remains Kishimoto's most controversial work. SS shippers really don't like to touch upon it and barely bring it up in their discussions and arguments except for *sometimes* the "because we have you" panel and it's just sometimes because you can't deny how miserable both Sasuke and Sakura look there. Outside of SNS circles, I've noticed the rest of the fandom don't bring it up as often, they'd rather ignore it.

There was a whole ass Hinata humiliation moment with bento. Boruto wanted to return the bento to her because even he knew Naruto would not appreciate it and when Naruto finally got it the only thing he thought about was how Sasuke fed him.

This moment is why it baffles me a bit why people think NH is the better marriage out the two het!ships because Naruto clearly does not give a fuck about that woman just like Sasuke doesn't care about Sakura.

Naruto knew, and Boruto knew that he knew it was made by Hinata especially for him because she loves him. But when Naruto has the opportunity to go meet with Sasuke in person why would he want anything from Hinata? Once again reminding us why for The Last they had to make sure Sasuke wasn't in the village lol.

But you gotta love how Kishimoto expresses what a bento means. It's not about just feeding someone, it's more about that special person sharing it with you.

Boruto thinks of his mom, because well, ofc he would think that's his dad's special person, all kids want to believe their parents are each other's soulmate and love of their lives.

Kishimoto telling us how a bento is not just food for sharing for the sake of feeding someone, it's about being present in the mind and heart of a loved one. That's why for Naruto this moment is so significant, how special he had to be for Sasuke he’d want to share a meal with him (and forcing Sakura to do the same as well) when he was a loser nobody, ahhh my heart. Kishimoto is truly a great tragic romance writer.

I think people sometimes focus too much on deciphering Sarada's true backstory (I get it, it's very juicy), that people kinda overlook Naruto telling us that even after all those years married and having two kids, Sasuke is still his #1 love. A heartbroken Sarada complained that after all those years away Sasuke forgot even her face and she's not blood-related to Sakura, and I find fascinating how Naruto responds "there's something stronger than time and blood... love".

He's been married for 13 years and has two kids and yet all that time and that blood relation won't change that his bond with Sasuke formed out of pure love (because people always say "Sasuke and Naruto didn't even spend that much time together, it doesn't make sense they're obsessed with each other) is the most important one alongside his bond with Iruka. Doesn't matter how many years they go without seeing each other, Naruto will always love Sasuke.

[monimccoythings]

How the other X-Men (97') would react to Logan's crush

I need more X-Men 97's Logan. Mostly Pre-established relationship. Just some rambles about some of the other X-men reacting to your mutual crushes because they are all a big family of busybodies lol.

tag: gender neutral reader (mostly)

You didn't have the best first meeting. You had accidentally drank the last of Logan's beers, and the burning anger in his eyes would take time to forget. You had felt so guilty afterwards that the next day he found a crate of imported beer in his bedroom.

When he first started developing a crush on you, Morph liked to tease him changing into you in different forms of suggestive positions wearing all kind of revealing lingerie, which made him blush. Hard. He tried to act all though pulling his claws out threateningly, but it was difficult to take him seriously when he was as red as a tomato.

He wasn't sure what started that crush, he guessed he started developing it without noticing. Maybe it was your good looks, your kind nature, your bright smile; who knew, but something about you drove him to you like a moth to a flame.

Ar first, Logan would be a bit conflicted due to his deeply rooted feelings for Jean. He felt like he was betraying her in some way, despite Jean being married to Scott. Unbeknowst to him, Jean, is one of the main supporters of his relationship with you and is always hijacking with Storm some way for you two to be together. Once, she got tired of your antics and practically psychically shoved you against him.

Storm is the chillest about it, unlike the overly enthusiastic Jean. She is very patient, she knows you'll end up together one way or another. She just has to wait. She still joins Jeans shenanigans because it's really fun.

Scott is more protective of you in a big brother way. He initially doesn't like that Logan has taken an interest in someone he had always seen as a little sibling. He knows how Logan can get, and how much he had pinned after Jean. He doesn't want him to hurt you, it would take a real genuine proof of his love for you to convince him. And something small wouldn't do, it has to be this big grand selfless gesture for him to actually believe it.

Charles, unlike Scott, thinks that you and Logan are a great match. You seem to bring the best out of each other. You calm Logan's never ending rage and Logan encourages you to be more bold and come out of your shell. You are like two puzzle pieces, you fit perfectly together.

Rogue is constantly teasing you about Logan. She has noticed how he gets more awkward when you're around, how he doesn't snark at you as much as he usually does to the others. If she didn't know better, she'd say he was being shy.

Remy is the one usually trying to give Logan advice on how to properly woo you, which usually goes ignored because of Logan's own pride and refusal to admit he has it deep for you.

Jubilee is a die-hard shipper. She gave you the most ridiculous ship name. Logan hates it. She, Storm, Remy, Rogue and Jean, usually meet up to discuss about you two like a bunch of teens. This is literally them on each meeting:

When you finally stop dancing around each other and start dating, he finds he's unable to keep his hands to himself. Watching you make breakfast, humming to yourself in an oversized T-Shirt and booty shorts that perfectly clinged to every delicious curve of your juicy ass like a second skin, put all of Logan's already thin self-control to test. Missions surveys get really awkward if he's seated next to you, his hand always finds its way to your thigh. Hank joked that he should give him 'the talk', which he took it as well as expected.

Roberto is the one who thinks 'what the hell do they see in him??'. He doesn't get how someone as cultured and kind as yourself would ever get interested in a caveman like Logan. But he keeps his thoughts to himself because he'd rather keep his head on his shoulders.

Logan may not know what started his crush, but he sure as hell knows when he realised he loved you. It wasn't a great sacrifice or something epic as anybody would expect. He just saw you doing the most mundane thing in the world, be it painting your nails, taking care of the garden, or getting to the best part of a book you've been reading. The second he saw that glint in your eyes and that joyful expression, he just knew.

[jikooklove9795]

On Twitter recently there’s been JK & Jins special bond threads going round, JK & RM, JK & V, JM & JHope, JM & Suga - everyone is retweeting them and hyping them up. And yet every. single. one. of JK & JM recently has been reported and copyrighted and taken down. It really says a lot about the state of the fandom right now. Sad to see :(

Hi there 😊

What Anon mentioned is a significant concern that shouldn't be overlooked.

I'm an ARMY too but this needs to be said.

For the past two years, I have been wondering if there any true OT7s (other than jkkrs) who genuinely appreciate Jimin and Jungkook's bond. I'm not even talking about acknowledging their relationship in a romantic light but just as close friends who have shared years of memories, experiences and an undeniable connection. But it feels like the majority of the fandom will go to greater lengths to dismiss or downplay their dynamic, latching onto anything that shifts attention away from them.

Its frustrating because regardless of how one interprets their relationship, there's no denying that Jimin and Jungkook have always had a special bond. Yet so called OT7s seem to erase or ignore that closeness WHILE readily celebrating other friendships within the group. It makes me wonder, are they truly OT7 if they selectively appreciate certain dynamics OR rather all other dynamics while disregarding Jikook?

Its interesting how the fandom will go out of their way to celebrate every other ship in BTS while acting as if Jimin and Jungkook's bond doesn't exist or worse like you said trying to diminish it by reporting and taking down Jikook videos. Its one thing to have preferences but its another to actively ignore or downplay a connection that has been evident for years.

What could be the main reason for this behavior?

A significant portion of the fandom struggles with the idea of any of the members being in a same sex relationship and this is especially evident when it comes to Jungkook.

Many fans have a deeply ingrained perception of him as the epitome of masculinity which in their minds aligns strictly with heterosexuality. They readily accept the idea of him being with women but resist any suggestion that he could be romantically involved with a man.

This is precisely why most of the fandom, even Jungkook's solo fans, are tkk shippers. Because to these fans, Taehyung does not pose a threat to their fantasies of Jungkook being with a woman or more specifically their own Y/N dreams. The same goes for his ship with Seokjin.

However, when it comes to Jimin their reaction is starkly different. Jimin is the one person who directly challenges this rigid, preconceived notion of Jungkook's sexuality.

Jungkook has always shown a special kind of thoughtfulness when it comes to Jimin. Back in 2016, out of all the members, Jimin was the only one he personally got a birthday gift for. And in 2017 he took it to a whole new level, going all out to celebrate Jimin's birthday.

Remember the hickey? Jungkook didn't just wear Jimin's mark for the world to see, he refused to hide it and wouldn't let anyone else touch it, as if it was something sacred. Its with Jimin, Jungkook shares countless inside jokes, little moments only they seem to understand while the rest of the members are left puzzled. Isn't that telling? Its proof of the sheer amount of time they spend together, just the two of them. That kind of connection doesn't just happen. Its built through endless hours of shared moments, laughter and conversations no one else is privy to.

Unlike his interactions with others, Jungkook's actions toward Jimin often carry an undeniable exclusivity. There's an added depth, a level of attention and care he doesn't extend in quite the same way to anyone else. Its this dynamic that unsettles those who want to believe Jungkook fits neatly into their "traditional" ideals.

There's no one in Jimin's life quite like Jungkook. It was for Jungkook that Jimin took a 13 hour flight to Seoul. Its waking up to Jungkook that brightens Jimin's mornings, the first sight of him setting the tone for his day. Its Jungkook, Jimin chose to be part of his deeply personal solo album, something so intimate that he couldn't imagine anyone else sharing in it. Its Jungkook's birth time that Jimin quietly set his 1997 model watch to during his September 1st 2023 live, a very telling gesture because this was on Jungkook's birthday. And the list goes on, moment after moment, choice after choice, all pointing to one undeniable truth: for Jimin, Jungkook isn't just someone special. He's the one.

The fandom sees this. No matter how much they try to downplay it, there's no one else for whom Jimin has said and done things he has for Jungkook.

This realization unsettles them because it can't be dismissed as simply team camaraderie. It goes beyond brotherhood, beyond friendship, beyond anything they can easily explain away. And that's what unnerves them the most. No other Jimin or Jungkook pairing even comes close to the depth and exclusivity of Jikook. Time and time again the way they stand apart from the rest only reinforces one thing, Jikook aren't just special. THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

We all know that a very large part of the fandom are tkkrs. Is it because they genuinely support taekook?

The answer is a big NO.

There's only a small, very small, portion of the fandom who believes taekook are involved romantically. And I don't know what they're on to be so gone and delusional enough to believe in a ship which was never real to begin with and has been actively debunked by Jungkook and Taehyung.

But I'm talking about the others who ship taekook despite knowing (yes they know it) that there's nothing romantic between Jungkook and Taehyung. The same can be said about Jinkook whose dynamics are purely sibling coded.

The truth is not because they believe in the ship but because of the deeply rooted homophobia within the fandom. For them Taekook or Jinkook or Yoonmin are a "safe" ship because it doesn't challenge their perception of BTS.

Jikook erasure isn't just about shipping, its about preserving a heteronormative narrative and refusing to accept a reality that contradicts fandom fantasies.

Anyone thinking rationally can see that Taekook or Jinkook or Yoonmin isn't real. But acknowledging that means Jikook might be, and that's what the fandom is desperately trying to avoid.

They can joke about Taekook, Yoonmin or Jinkook because they see them as harmless fantasies. But when it comes to Jikook, the fandom notices how Jimin and Jungkook's dynamic feels too genuine, too intimate and too plausible. This forces the fans to confront the reality of LGBTQ relationships in a way that they're not ready for. So, they dismiss, deny or downplay Jikook while embracing other obviously unreal ships.

Even in progressive spaces people are conditioned to see same sex relationships as unlikely or just friendship while automatically assuming straightness unless explicitly stated otherwise.

The fear of Jikook being real isn't just about them, its about what it means for the fan's own worldview, comfort zone and sometimes even their parasocial attachment to the members.

This is the only explanation that makes sense to me for why the fandom refuses to acknowledge Jikook's connection. Its not that they can't see it, its that they don't want to. Accepting it would mean confronting something they're uncomfortable with. So, instead they choose to ignore, downplay or much worse mock it.

[comradekarin]

What do you think about the plot point of aang not killing Ozai? I've seen many takes on it, from both ZK and KA shippers but I'd like to know your take too.

I’m not really the best person to answer this ask mainly because I don’t know how to answer this in an eloquent manner. so I’ll keep things short: I don’t have a problem with aang not killing ozai. I do, however, take issue with aang’s stagnant development and the abandonment of the season two finale arc. I also dislike the implications the narrative brings forth if aang *had* killed ozai. I’m not a huge fan of magic lion turtle solution in the final and a rock being what allows aang to enter the avatar state, either. It feels kind of cheap and not properly foreshadowed. aang also remains pretty much the same throughout the entire show, and I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing. forcing aang to grapple with his avatar duties and his attachment to katara in order to unlock the avatar state was a great start… and then we just never talk about it again. and, of course, this is something katara doesn’t know anything about because god forbid she knows aang’s attachment to her stopped him from upholding his duty to the world. no one’s saying he couldn’t love katara, attachment is something else entirely.

I would like to add that fact that aang has one—if not the—highest body counts in the gaang (albeit, they’re offscreen and you can’t really argue they don’t matter because they’re fire nation soldiers when aang refuses to kill ozai), yet there’s a whole rah rah about killing in the show (and this black and white way of thinking is frustratingly pervasive in tsr). I mention this because the show kind of sets up this dual thing of aang’s air nomad beliefs vs his duties of stopping ozai and it sort of implies that aang would be “abandoning” his culture if he deposed of ozai. would aang be less air nomad if he killed ozai? was monk gyatso any less air nomad when he killed those fire nation soldiers during the invasion in defense (another death I don’t think really was properly explored with aang’s arc)? was avatar yangchen any less air nomad when she told aang he must do whatever is necessary to preserve the sanctity of the world? my short answer is, no. aang doesn’t really talk about what this means for him, either. he just… runs away. and then we get magic solution in the end.

I’d like to say that aang also being a *child* during this entire thing contributes to this moral conflict he has. he’s only twelve.

maybe this is playing devils advocates, but is taking ozai’s bending away not worse than death (especially knowing how embedded bending is for a bender)? ozai is powerless in the physical sense, but he is still alive and being zuko’s headache in the fire nation. he still has influence and he’s playing games even behind bars. the war may have ended, but there is still harm in ozai remaining alive. and I don’t really think aang is forced to grapple with any of this. not a huge fan of the comics, but at least these questions are being brought forth.

for the record, I do ship zutara! but even if I didn’t, I don’t think my answer to your question would really change.