#also by being Ne doms they really like new ways of seeing things

[bat-the-misfit]

I will always remember the day I was explaining my uncle why I typed him as an ENTP and when explaining his functions he said "oh no I think i'm way more this Ti thing than the Ne thing INTP makes more sense to me"

and he kept disagreeing with me for like half an hour AND HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT MBTI WHILE I KNEW A LOT AND KNEW WHAT I WAS SAYING

and that whole discussion just showed me why i was exactly right in typing him as an ENTP

[cyrintheum]

Introducing Strohl as an ESFJ! + ARGUMENT WHY HE IS ESFJ

Hello everyone, It’s really jarring how much intuitive bias PDB has. Just because he leads in a group and has a plan doesn’t automatically mean he’s an ENFJ. If he has Ni-Se in his stack, then where’s the desire of his to have a grand plan on his country and even some Se sensory pleasures like blade-riding? He is obviously Si-Ne since he internalizes memorable moments in the past, him being eloquent with his words, and he even comes back with witty jokes and comebacks. I also made this new and improved argument with the help of my friends in order to properly present my argument better and more concisely.

WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD.

I’m gonna cut through the chase here. It's already obvious that he is a Fe dom, so I won’t try to flesh out that part here. I’m gonna explain Si and Ne on this part.

Introverted Sensing (Si): Here’s the important part. His bond mostly focuses on trying to rebuild his past hometown, and he constantly tries to relive the events that transpired through it. He also wants to build a future where everyone gets their ruined cities rebuilt, since he does not want them to happen ever again. In a way, Si thinks about the past, but not just the past. It considers the past as a factor, and also thinks about the future due to the past. Ni is more of an unconscious effort seeing the future due to current happenings. Next, he constantly brings up his parents' teachings on doing laundry, cooking, and even honing your swords. This highlights his familiarity with traditional values his parents imposed on him. A Ni user is more likely to be rebellious with traditional teachings, due to it being one of the most stubborn cognitive functions. 

When going to Brilehaven, you are met with him reminiscing on his childhood in that city. "My parents took me once when I was a boy. I remember the day we arrived, and waking up to the smell of the ocean.” “The place was crowded beyond belief. Everything was so different from our hometown in the countryside.” Another thing, in one of his bonds, Strohl vividly remembers how he met Will, as well as the time where he mentioned that, “The roads were so rough we could hardly keep our arses on our seats, but there you were, reading a book of all things.”

According to Emma Jung’s description of introverted sensation, Si absorbs every single detail of the sensory experiences outside them. It’s like a person whom you’ve told a joke about in the morning, and they will still laugh about it in the night. Those lines show that every single detail of him internalizing sensory experiences into his internal self, attaching personal sentiments due to his parents when they were going to Port Brilehaven, not just remembering the past. This also applies to the time where he remembered travelling alongside Will in the carriage.

In comparison to an ENFJ, Ni is a function that relies on the unconscious. It produces unconscious images imaging the future that pertain to what’s happening right now. They are also big-picture thinkers who have a subjective plan at hand. Think about Louis who is an ENTJ. He has a grand plan of turning everyone into humans for the sake of equality. In comparison to Strohl, he is more focused on trying to rebuild his past glory and the old ruined cities, instead of making a long-term plan that revolutionizes the whole country.

At the end of the game, he reminisces about meeting Will in the recruitment center, and he states that he still sees the same about him. There’s just a lot of moments in the game where he constantly uses Si without even trying hard to remember about his past events whether it is about his traumas or not. An ENFJ would literally try harder to internalize and imagine the inner sensations that they experienced, since they have trickster Si. Their Ni-Se would push those away to make plans for the future.

Extroverted Intuition (Ne):

He came up with the idea that they should bring a person’s head instead of a monster when he knew that there are bounties that are people too. Everyone else had the same idea when he thought out of the box. Based on his past knowledge, he inferred that bounties also include criminals, hence he proposed the idea of bringing a head of a criminal in the competition to sway the audience. Another moment when he noticed that the Drakodios negated the protective magla by associating it with the king’s magic. He already knew that fact, and his intuition was triggered by external objects in reality that was happening at the moment. He even tested the lance and said that this changes everything about the situation.

In one quest, he wants to see what other possibilities the ring has by urging Will to wear it, since he remembered that the ring has a sketchy backstory. Based on Carl Jung, extroverted intuition always seeks new possibilities through seeking on what can be done in an object. It looks out for opportunities that can be done. An Ni user would just assume automatically that the ring shouldn’t be worn due to its dubious history.

Aside from the serious things he does with Ne, he also likes to reply with comebacks and make jokes about things that a Ni-Se user would have a harder time conjuring up with.

Conclusion:

So here’s the thing, Strohl doesn’t even try hard to remember his past experiences, as he constantly makes references about his past, while they’re just doing the most mundane tasks at hand. An ENFJ would be more likely to talk about the future since Ni is their auxiliary function. Literally when even doing the laundry he just casually brings up how much he is a master of laundry, as well as mentioning his parents phrases and values in it. His goals have also changed in his bond, as well as having trouble realizing his own ideals. This signals that he has trickster Ni in his stack, since he doesn’t think about his long-term goals. This concludes my argument for him. I will add more comments if I continue to find more evidence of him being an ESFJ.

References:

Wikipedia. (2024, November, 3). Jungian cognitive functions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_cognitive_functions

Sharp, D. (1987). PERSONALITY TYPES: Jung’s Model of Typology. Wayback Machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20190722141945/http://innercitybooks.net/pdf/books/personalitytypes.pdf

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Anon wrote: Hi! Hope you’re doing well. 23 year old, female INTJ here. I’m here to ask about my 8 year old brother. Actually, since there are ages between us, i sometimes feel like his mom. I take care of him mostly. We get along well. I know this would be early but i guess he uses ti or ne function. I’m not so sure.

The question is, when it comes to something slightly emotional, he’s acting weird. For example when he’s fall down and hurt his leg, i’m normally trying to ask if he’s okay ( kinda emotional way ) he starts yelling, screaming, or he says “You’re gonna make me cry!” in a real aggressive way. And stays away. Is it something normal? I’m afraid of if somebody would harm him he wouldn’t tell us. How should i approach to him? What should i do ? Should i just stay away?

He also hides many things. Normally, he is over critical, he is tend to see his teachers old headed, strict, even stupid unfortunatelly. But one day he came from school, it was obvious that he cried. Of course he didn’t told us what happened then i asked his teacher. He said, he argued with me, and we talked nothing else happened. If that’s the case that means he cried on the toilet or school bus all alone or something else happened and thinking about this makes me too sad or even angry.

To be honest, i want to know about his life, i want him to be clear and honest with us. Knowing he hides things sometimes makes me think we wouldn’t know if something really bad happens to him. Am i overrracting?

Thank you and take care.

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I don't think you're overreacting. It's normal to feel protective of the people you love. This is especially the case for children because they aren't always equipped with all the psychological tools that are needed for handling life's problems or coping with stressful events.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough information for me to draw a firm conclusion about what's really going on with him, so I can only do some educated guessing and you'll have to investigate further.

(1) If you believe that Ti dom is quite possible, then it could be related to inferior Fe. Having an inferior F function generally tends to make a person very wary of emotional intensity. Fe also tends to be easily affected (in some cases "infected") by the emotions of others.

Using the hurt leg example, hurting oneself is already a very emotionally painful experience. When other people step in with all their fussing, worrying, and concern, what it actually does is increase the emotional temperature of the situation dramatically. Have you ever noticed that sometimes when toddlers fall down they are perfectly fine and then the parent comes fussing and only then the crying begins? We can say that the toddler was infected by the parent's anxiety.

Imagine that a person's capacity to contain emotions is like a coffee cup. Some people have a big and tall coffee cup that can hold a lot of emotion, while others have a teeny tiny espresso cup that easily overfills. People with poorly developed Fe and/or inferior Fe usually have a smaller sized cup.

Ti doms appear to be calm and cool most of the time but it's not because they are unaffected, rather, it's because they're good at ignoring or deflecting emotional content. However, there are situations in life when emotional content comes too quickly or too unexpectedly to be ignored, and then you will quickly see Ti doms start acting uncharacteristically pitiful.

The good news is that, once emotions pass and Ti is restored, they can easily get on with life. Ti doms are generally independent and self-sufficient from a young age. Although, note that ISTPs tend to be more resilient than INTPs due to Se vs Si differences. INTPs tend to dwell in negativity more. If you see dwelling happening, then you can give a little nudge or a push to open up about the problem, but don't push too hard or else you might get the opposite effect.

Being the elder sister, your authority is more limited than a parent. You can only push so hard before you get pushback and a "you're not my mom". It might be better for you to approach him as though you'd like to be his friend or confidant rather than an authority figure trying to get him to talk. If you are genuinely worried for his health or safety, then it should be the parents doing the pushing.

Unfortunately, inferior Fe also makes people wary of opening up about their feelings, so you might have more success by focusing primarily on the facts of what happened and help make logical sense of them, rather than try to soothe him emotionally. Save the worry or outrage and simply be a practical problem solver.

I'm reminded of my sister-in-law. Every time her boys (one of them is 8) get emotional about something, she continues to speak to them as though they're being perfectly calm and reasonable, because she is a very calm and reasonable person. (Meanwhile, I'm right in there with the kids expressing their feelings with them.) If the kids whine about being bored, she'll calmly say "Well, that's not my problem, so what are you going to do about it?" Or, if the kids tell her about some offensive thing they saw (and I'm just about to express my outrage), she'll say, "Hmm, what should we do about that?" It's quite hilarious to watch the kids instantly stop wailing and put their thinking caps on.

What can we learn from her? Not every bad thing that happens has to take us on an emotional roller coaster. And not everyone has to spend hours processing every little feeling and emotion they experience. She stops the crazy emotional ride by asking simple questions that get the kids (and me) to focus on the problem in the most practical terms. When someone is averse to confronting feelings and emotions head on, it might be a good idea to simply hop over the feelings and focus on investigation and problem solving.

(2) Being male, there's a good chance that he has been socialized to believe emotionality is a sign of weakness or embarrassment that he needs to be on constant guard against, in order to be "a real man". If that's the case, he might be more comfortable opening up to a man.

Certain elements of human experience are gendered and only a person of the same gender can fully understand and relate. For a man, opening up to a woman can feel threatening if he believes it will lead him directly onto the path he's trying to escape (e.g. softness or vulnerability). Oftentimes, men prefer or find it more effective to process their feelings/emotions physically rather than verbally. For example, if he seems tense, you could take him out for an enjoyable physical activity to blow off steam.

I'm not saying this is good or healthy or whatever; I'm merely describing facts. I'm certainly against gender stereotyping and I believe everybody has the capacity to learn how to verbalize their feelings and emotions. However, for a young boy dealing with strong peer or social pressures in a masculine environment, he might not be psychologically ready to learn the kind of emotional maturity that you want him to display.

What can you do? Provide encouragement but don't try to force. If he's Ti dom, it's important to speak to him in a matter-of-fact way, with as little drama or fuss as possible. Just make it very clear that you're always willing to help or listen (without judgment) if there's anything bothering him. Let him know that he doesn't always have to deal with problems alone and that it's okay to ask for help.

Sometimes it seems you speak and they don't listen, but kids always hear you, even when they don't respond the way you'd like. They are individuals and they have their own way of processing information that might be different from your way, but it doesn't mean they haven't quietly taken your words to heart. If you are able to maintain a close long-term relationship with a kid, your voice will be in their head, guiding them all the time. Therefore, it is your job to always say what you mean and mean what you say, and provide relatable and feasible advice.

Even though you're technically not the mom, you're still going to experience a lot of the feelings that moms get when you take on a caregiver role for a kid. As a parent, you basically never stop worrying about kids, and your instinct is to protect them from hurt. But you can't control everything in the world, so it is inevitable that kids get hurt on occasion.

Part of being a good parent is creating a stable, accepting, and trusting environment that allows kids to open up about their hurt, but also trusts kids to exercise their own intelligence in problem solving. Tell him that you trust him to handle small problems independently, but if he ever encounters a big problem, then it's smarter to get some help and tackle it faster together. However, this assumes that he believes you are capable of helping...

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Hooooy! MBTI types as movies? :D

HELLO, and thanks for waiting so long for me to do this 😭 I literally typed all the movies like a million years ago and just haven't had any time to put together the little analysis blurbs but I'M HERE NOW SO LETS DO IT.

Also sidenote: I am notriously terrible for remembering the full plots of movies (and don't watch a ton of movie in general) so if anything seems off in these analyses (aside from the fact that I tried not to go FULL STEREOTYPE), I would bet it is more of a problem with remembering the movie than it is understanding MBTI, but hey, what do I know lmao

MBTI Types as Movies

INTP: The Matrix

The GOATed movie for the GOATed type, what can I say. LMAO, just jokes, just jokes on both accounts. I mean, they're both great, but you know, I mean no offense. Still, I think this fits well because you spend so much of the movie how things work in the Matrix because the rules of reality start getting wonkier the more they investigate. Ti loves figuring things out and Ne is all about things being new and/or different, so it was an easy pick. Maybe a bit stereotypical, but hey, at least it wasn't Lord of the Rings or Star Wars (also great movies, but come on, it's been said a million times, we gotta shake it up a LITTLE).

ENTP: Jurassic Park

Watch the scene where Dr. Ian Malcom tells everyone "you were so preoccupied with whether or not you could that you didn't stop to think if you should" and TELL me this isn't an ENTP movie lmao. Jurassic park is ALL about how new and interesting of a possibility modern-day dinosaurs could be, and they had the Ti and science to back up their ambitions. And also the tert Fe to decide to make it a theme park I guess? Lmao, it's like, okay, sure, kinda weird, but I GUESS people will like it.

INFP: Scott Pilgrim vs The World

The movie is very Fi portraying Scott's life because you can feel just how everything is so personalized and tailored to his lifestyle and preferences that even things like his band feel like an extension of himself. The same goes for the other characters in the band too; even minor characters have so much individuality with such little screentime, which appears very Fi-dom to me. And also just like, cartoon + anime logic to fight Ramona's evil ex's is such an Ne premise because of how different and sometime random it is - I love it. Sidenote: Scott Pilgrim Takes Off on Netflix is a super good miniseries!

ENFP: Inside Out

A fun and zaney way of expressing your own personified emotions that all interact with each other and are interwoven with your real life struggles and choices? Can that get any more ENFP if it tried? Not to mention that people have taken to creating their OWN versions of their primary emotions, too. Explain to me how Bing Bong could ever exist without a massive super dose of Ne, lmao.

INTJ: Dune

A futuristic sci-fi universe with complex and realistic political unrest, economic corruption, and ecological issues to demonstrate examples of the abuse of power all wrapped up in one big collection is like the epitome of an INTJ and dominant Ni to me. As silly as this might sound, I really did NOT follow this movie super well, even though it SOUNDS like it should be up my alley as an INTP, and that in part lead me to think it might be more of an INTJ movie. It's got a lot of the same ingredients, but you can tell it's just built different because of the massive world-building.

ENTJ: The Truman Show

I would say the premise of staging Truman's entire life with the expectation that it will persist all the way into his old age as a way of capitalizing on it for profit and TV show ratings is a pretty Dom-Te, Aux-Ni, ENTJ kind of thing to do. A BAD ENTJ thing to do, but ENTJ nonetheless. Everything that happened to Truman had an intended purpose, which was to keep audience engagement with the show. I COULD see an argument made for this being an ENFJ thing, but I decided ENTJ because at the end of the day, they cared more about and prioritized the boons to be gained from continuing the show, not necessarily the emotional reactions of Truman, themselves.

INFJ: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Probably my favorite movie of all time (if you couldn't tell, I really like Jim Carrey) has to go to INFJ. This movie really takes you so far into his head, and really captures what it is like to be doing that dom-Ni thing of looking for and assigning symbolic meaning to things (often times other people's thoughts and actions), especially in such a way that can be dangerous, and seems to be a major cause of both main characters' debilitating depession and self-confidece issues. Not to say all INFJs are like that, of course, but a lot of the themes that come up in this movie are great examples of just how wrong things can go with unhealthy Ni-Fe.

ENFJ: Gone Girl

Similar to ENTJ, Gone Girl has some very potent ENFJ vibes, again, also BAD ENFJ vibes, but still ENFJ vibes. The main antagonist really shows off all of the classic techniques for emotional manipulation via Fe, and the seamlessness of it all as she consistently remains one step ahead of the protagonist the entire time really demonstrates the forthought that can come with Ni. Sometimes she is so far ahead of the protagonist, he even has a hard time decifering what she is even planning to do next, or the intended outcome. ENFJs being Fe-doms lends themselve to still be outcome-driven like ENTJs, but here, the intended outcomes are emotionally and socially colored.

ISTP: Good Will Hunting

The ISTP gets all the glory for being aloof, and dangerous to mess with, and that isn't NOT present in his movie, but what they DON'T get enough credit for is their capacity for an impressive intellect. ISTPs are Ti-doms just like INTPs, so it should follow that they have incredibly logical and curious minds that have an aptitude for understanding how things work - that's a big plot point for our protagonist who solves the infamously difficult equation on the chalkboard, only to find out that he isn't stuff academic like everyone EXPECTED him to be. Grounded by his Se, he even mocks students attending the university for spending so much money on their education, when he has learned just as much for free with his library card. Raw intellect with no fluff (and no fucks to give) is ISTP through-and-through.

ESTP: Catch Me If You Can

Read the book for a school project back in the day and loved it. The quick thinking-on-the-feet to be able to bullshit his way through so many different scenarios, pretending to be a pilot so well that they PUT THE GUY IN THE COCKPIT is absolutely wild to me. This might also touch a fair bit on what developed tertiary Fe can get you if you abuse it a bit too much. I could see an argument made for higher Fe placements too, but I attributed a lot of his ability to say the right things and adapt because a lot of times, he did not seem like he had much of a detailed plan going in, which sounds a lot more dom Se to me.

ISFP: Titanic

Instant classic and based on a true story, which I think really appeals to Se (same for ESTP above, actually!), and is a big reason why I picked it. Overall, a pretty introverted and definitely emotional story because it mostly focuses on the developing relationship between the two main characters and, of course, the tragedy, too. It's such a personal story that does a good job of bringing you into the first person perspective of the main character's feelings and experiences from start to finish - it can be a bit visceral, even. I know it's a romance, but I REALLY didn't want to be like "mushy isfp? idk romance i guess", so hopefully this lands well.

ESFP: La La Land

Ahh, La La Land. Similar to the ISFP and Titanic in that it is still a very personal story that zeros in on the emotional experience of the main characters to the relationship and how they feel about it, but with a lot more sensory stimulation, and intoxication - and not necessarily even alcoholic intoxication, but like, infatuation with life experiences that they get to share with each other and assign their personal value to. Also kind of tragedy in it's own way since it doesn't end since they don't end up together, and despite all of the highs and experiences they share, and despite how much they love each other, but they each have their own vested personal interests that they want to achieve even more.

ISTJ: Indiana Jones

Thought Indiana Jones would go to ISTP, did you? Surprised? It's not that it COULDN'T be an ISTP movie, it's just that Jones constantly talking about how much things belong in museums just REALLY screams ISTJ to me. It just seems way more dom Si to be that passionate about preserving artifacts so that you can study them, reference them, compare them, etc. forever and ever. Not to mention he's got that tertiary Fi that gives him a soft spot and a vested interest in protecting those artifacts. He takes the protection of the those artifacts very personally in a way that I wouldn't expect to see from an inferior Fe user like an ISTP.

ESTJ: Men in Black

The only thing separating this movie from just being a straight up FBI movie is the aliens; most everything else is pretty familiar and grounded in reality. They've got their FBI protocols and directives and a clear objective that is their job: contain the aliens. These attributes make it very Te-Si to me because they work in teams to accomplish their goals, and they do their best to stick to their codes and procedures (and ofc they break them sometimes because it's a movie it has to be exciting). Throw in some wacky stuff like aliens to please the ESTJ's tertiary Ne's craving for a little random fun, and you've got the MIBs.

ISFJ: Groundhog day

Constantly reliving the same day over and over again, having the same conversations with the same people, sometimes getting the same results, and sometimes getting different outcomes by making different choices sounds like an ISFJs inferior Ne kind of personal hell, but it does sort of cover most of the ISFJ experience, even if it's in a difficult context. Special shout out to the montage of Bill Murray killing himself like 100 times because he doesn't know how to break the cycle and is tired of having the same conversations with everyone. It cracks me up every time and seems like very tertiary Ti logic to me lmao

ESFJ: Little Women

Loosely based on a true story, period piece that focuses on the protagonists' relationships with each other (many of them sisters), as well as their places in society, also many of which end up growing into very DIFFERENT roles in society so as to contrast them as they age. This is especially interesting (and also Si lmao) when you take note that you see how they all started out on similar life paths as full-blooded siblings growing up in the same home. Great story, very dom-Fe for comparing some many different relationships that interweave and change over time.

[funkymbtifiction]

In a recent ask you said "Being artistic and sensitive is not 4". Can you please similarly say what's something people constantly get mixed up about each dominant function? Like I constantly see Fi doms described as artistic and sensitive, but is it really an IxFP thing or just a general human trait? Also: I wish you the best on your new ventures and thank you for all the work you've done for the typology community, you'll be missed 💐

Hmm.

Fe-dom: [stereotype] "unselfish." While EFJs usually care about their larger impact and reputation, they are not nicer to people or less selfish than any other type -- they can be selfish and want their way. It varies between EFJs. You will meet a lovely one who is so sweet and words things so carefully to avoid hurting your feelings and lets you "be," and then meet an EFJ who pushes their values off on you, and thinks that they can say whatever they want and it's all "okay" even if it's hurtful to you.

Fi-dom: [stereotype] "selfish." Yes, Fi-dom is self-centered, as in, their sense of everything is centered in their inner lens, but this does not make all of them exhibit what society calls "selfish behavior." The stereotypes about IFPs not being considerate of others are erroneous and cause many IFPs to mistype; IFPs can spend a lot of time and effort being a "safe space" for other people, and trying not to hurt their feelings (because they wouldn't want their own feelings hurt). As with the above, you may meet an IFP who is highly considerate of you and your feelings, or you may meet one who says what they think, without concern for whether it will offend you or not.

Te-dom: [stereotype] "workaholic." Yes, ETJs love to get things done, they are highly organized and motivated individuals, but the workaholic trope comes from very specific Enneagram combinations rather than is standard for all ETJs. Many of them know when to go out with friends, go home, etc. Another stereotype is not caring about people -- they care a lot, it's just that their brand of helping their loved ones tends to center around how to find solutions, as opposed to just crying with someone. As with the above examples, you will find an ETJ who cares a lot about their employees and does not want to fire anyone, and finds workarounds to keep them on staff even though it is costing their bottom line, or you will find one who only cares about the bottom line.

Ti-dom: [stereotype] "obnoxious, argumentative, hair-splitting." Not every Ti-dom is "Sherlock." Many of them just want to do their own thing, and for things to make sense. And not all of them are inventors or mechanics, either. Some of them are artists, actors, or writers. They can and do understand how things 'work' and want to make sense of them in their own mind, but not all of them are gifted in innovation or technology or in building an airplane from scratch. Some of them will be obnoxious and hammer people for their bad logic, but others don't see the point in trying to change your mind.

Se-dom: [stereotype] "party animal, shopaholic, unfaithful." Yes, they are energetic and outgoing and can do a lot in a day, but not all of them enjoy excess socializing, care about their wardrobe, or can't keep a relationship going due to a roving eye. Se is about hands-on learning and opportunism, seeing a good thing and going after it, rather than a certain set of expected behaviors. Some ESPs will work at things (including relationships) and others will "skip out."

Si-dom: [stereotype] "remembers everything." No, they only recall what is of specific interest to them, such as their favorite author's books or hairstyles from the 1950s. They don't have better memories than anyone else for generic facts and daily remembrances. Another stereotype is having no interest in trying new things -- wrong, some of them hate new things and some of them want as many experiences as possible to build their collection of memories or internal experiences.

Ne-dom: [stereotype] "can theorize about anything on the spot." Yes, if it interests them, but if it doesn't, they won't generate any ideas related to it. They are not automatic idea-machines, they need something to bounce off of and inspire their creativity. If they deprive themselves of those things (books, movies, music, etc), then their creativity can get stifled. They also don't have a thousand ideas in their mind all the time; rather, once they start working on and thinking about something, ideas "occur to them" along the way. Some ENPs have way more of a busy mind than others (7s).

Ni-dom: [stereotype] "mastermind." Not all Ni-doms have a life plan or know what they want ten years down the road, but all of them have a future focus, tend to get strong impressions and/or instincts about where life (theirs or yours) is headed, and they trust their insights. But they are not all evil masterminds who plan things down to the smallest detail; their mind is more impressionistic than that. And yet, there will be occasional "genius" INJs who do just that.

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ATEEZ Mingi MBTI Analysis

- ESFP -

An in-depth analysis of an idol's MBTI type. Based on my opinion and observations, may change later. Not an expert.

Also happy birthday to this lovely man :)

ESFP (Se - Fi - Te - Ni)

Dom: Se (Extroverted Sensing)

A perceiving function that uses our 5 senses to process the external world.

Snippet from his September Singles interview:

I debuted to show people my dance and vocals. But it is true that I hadn’t thought too deeply about how celebrities are expected to be more responsible and lead flawless lifestyles. I’ve always wanted to live as free as a bird, so these expectations felt like a huge burden at one point. But now I think they’re good for me. Having to live up to so many expectations means I have so much room for improvement at all times.

As Se is a present minded function, it seems like Mingi usually makes decisions on a whim - he didn't fully think about the problems of celebrity life as he was only focused on being a performer. He just jumped into it. Se can be prone to being impulsive as it's often a "just do it" mindset.

When writing songs, Mingi takes inspiration from his current surroundings. He talks about it in their little interview with Jonathan, how he gets inspired from what he sees on the streets.

Mingi, who explains his process of cataloguing his many thoughts to later draw from. “I write down a lot of them as memos on my phone, so I always go back to them to see if they match what we’re going through (as a group); that’s how I write my lyrics,” he says. “Sometimes I’ll think of it as writing a script, to really get into that persona." - i-D vice interview

Aux: Fi (Introverted Feeling)

A judging function that uses one's own values and belief to compare and make choices

Similar to Fi dom San, Mingi has a focus on being genuine as well. He wants a certain image for himself and puts in effort to build that image (fashion, the way he writes music). He only cares about his own perception of himself and wishes for others to have the mindset as well.

Mingi's always been a free spirit, but his longing for authentic self expression clashed with having to conform to idol standards. This likely caused an internal self conflict within Mingi. During his hiatus, he mentioned taking the time to have deep reflection on himself and wanting to be himself more, wanting to be better. High Fi users often want to work on expressing themselves authentically, wanting to be their most honest and best selves.

Tert: Te (Extroverted Thinking)

A judging function that uses established facts and systems to make objective, working decisions.

Mingi has stated he likes to gain new experiences as they can serve as some sort of life lesson. A bit of a mix of Se - Te statement though; Se likes experiences and he is able to put these lessons to use (Te).

Inf: Ni (Introverted Intuition)

A perceiving function that uses one's own personal insights and ideas

He seems to have some decent use of Ni - he has been planning his career and goals since he was a teenager and has successfully reached those goals. Still it is inferior as most of his choices have mainly been spontaneous. However, he's still glad of the way things turned out for him in the end.

I would also like to think Ni helped Mingi with his self reflection during his hiatus. Se doms can use their inferior Ni to search inside themselves to see what they truly want in life.

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Why he's not an ENTP (Ne - Ti - Fe - Si)

I do not see Ne dominance in Mingi or any Ne usage in him in general. Comparing him to actual Ne users Yeosang (INTP) and Yunho (I'm currently unsure if he's an ENTP or ESFJ. That Ne - Fe is strong in him tho), even to inferior Ne types like Hwa (ISFJ) and Jongho (ISTJ)... I do not see it strong enough in Mingi for him to be typed as an ENTP or any Ne type.

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Other analysis:

Enneagram | Birth chart

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Kpop typology list

[creepling]

my assumption of you based on which batman (2022) character you're attracted to

this came to my head and i thought it'd be fun to post :^)) NOTE: some of these are NSFW BUT NOT EXPLICIT.

bruce wayne

specifically this batman, you are definitely a weirdo (in the best way)

probs already a pattinson stan

you always end up in unrequited love situations

you like em strong and silent!! hell yh!!

you're the type of person to tweet "guys should paint their nails and wear eyeliner!!" bc you are so down bad for that

you like em angsty, like punching walls and screaming angsty

if someone was to make a playlist for you you'd marry them on the spot

you get so pent up when your crush takes 3-5 working days to message you back but you'll reply to them in 0.5 seconds.

doing gods work and pushing the female gaze agenda

you like dark, troubled people but have good boundaries when you see toxic traits.

100% more attractive to someone if they show no sign of loving you back

you wanna put the work in lmaoo

you like soft doms and you cherish after-care

possessiveness turns you on

probs a massive simp, like on your knees worshipping the ground they walk on kinda simp. so down bad.

selina kyle

YOUR STANDARDS ARE HIGH and rightfully so

you're very attractive and hot just like her

you have high standards when it comes to looks but personality wise you want someone that will challenge you and make you think.

if you're queer you gatekeep her from straight cis men and will run your mouth if a man says she's hot

"SHE'S FOR THE GAYS ONLY!!"

you cherish people that are vulnerable with you

you're also a very good listener and don't mind people venting to you

just overall a very emotionally intelligent person

i also get the vibes that you're not a clingy person, like you like to have space.

like overall you just have a very good taste in people because selina is an absolute chem.

you're probably an adrenaline junkie, like when you're dating you like to try new things

if you're shy tho, you look for people like selina to bring you out your shell, while still feeling safe.

you're not one for labels, you're neither a dom, sub or switch

you just do what feels right in the moment

you like to be classy, like making sure you and your partner are dressed in the finest gear and feeling confident.

edward nashton

oh boy,,,,

(side note, i'm attracted to him out of all the characters so i'm self-projecting here)

but damn, your taste is awful.

"they're hot in a pathetic way" is literally your type.

you look for non-threatening people to date but 9/10 the people you find attractive are bat-shit crazy.

MASK KINK. YOU HAVE A MASK KINK.

you probs have a "i can fix them" mentality too.

in the streets you give off sub vibes, but in the sheets you are dom asf.

you are the ultimate switch.

you fall head over heels for intelligent people

while everyone is simping for one particular person you're always drawn to the person who never gets attention

so you can have them all to yourself :^))

you like shy, not particulary strong people; but the ones that are borderline narcissists.

you're either really extroverted or really introverted no in between.

everytime you develop a crush you never tell anyone bc you know they'll say they're ugly bc they're not conventionally attractive.

ngl you have no boundaries, you like red flags bc red is "your fave colour" lmaoo.

you don't care what your partner is like as long as they have good hygiene.

ozwald copperpot

you like to be spoiled rotten

definitely a 'daddy's girl' mentality

DEFINITELY have a thing for older men

you love being called pet names like "sweetie" or "sunshine".

if someone can make you laugh, you're automatically attracted to them

you don't per-say always need validation but you love it when you get it

you love to be admired as if you're the only person in the room

you like someone with a hard front with others but are just complete softies when only with you

like you love people who look menacing physically but deep down they just need comfort

ngl i don't imagine ozzie being rough in the sheets so you like someone who is gentle

you're probs more on the sub side but can be a soft dom if your partners into it

instead of roughness you like to be petted and cuddled and told how beautiful you are

you've definitely thought about having a sugar daddy, or you already have one.

james gordon

you like older men but the ones that are non-threatening

you've probs had/have a crush on one of your friends dads

if they're not loyal you do not trust them!!

you want someone that would die for you

you appreciate good morals and people that think for themselves

you're not a homewrecker but you end up falling for people that look like they've been married for 10+ years lmaooo

you can't date people that have different political views to you

when you crush on someone you're already planning your wedding before you even go on a date with them

you take no shit from anyone and hate liars

you probs have good boundaries and prioritise surrounding yourself with good people

when your love isn't appreciated, it breaks your heart

not good at handling violence, it makes you cringe.

you're quite vanilla when it comes to the deed. you like the 'making love' type of thing

like just very intimate and passionate

and you don't like to do it very often, so when you're in the mood you can make the moment extra special

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

Hi. I'd really appreciate your help with typing me. I'm pretty sure I use Ne and Si but I can't decide on whether I'm a Fi or a Ti user.

Some info:

- I've always struggled with my emotions. They always had more power over me than I had over them. I'm specifically talking about sadness and anxiety. However, it takes a lot to make me express anger and to lash out at people (I can't recall when I last did that).

- If I could I'd sit all day and think. Real world and physical experiences don't mean much to me. I feel really uncomfortable using Se for example.

- I struggle to form strong opinions on anything and I'm pretty indecisive. I'm not afraid to honestly share my point of view though.

- I was and am very self aware. I used to think that other people must be very, very stupid and I'm definitely better because I present myself as smart (now I think that this was a really bad way of seeing things and I've definitely matured).

- I think a lot. I love systematizing and cathegorizing things like social circles, people and new information I learn. I also have a great desire to make sense of everything I stumble upon. I have a lot of theories about pretty much everything.

- I can be very harsh and negative sometimes. Often I forget that my words do affect other people and I feel bad for it.

- I think I understand other people pretty well but I do catch myself on a) listening to people only to feel better about myself and b) understanding them through my own experiences.

- It takes a lot for me to decide I dislike someone. I'm not very judgmental about people and I try to understand their point of view. I think that everyone is different and they shouldn't be judged for it.

- Self expression is hard for me (I rewrote this ask countless times) and I struggle to communicate clearly sometimes.

- I'm not too much of a leader. Managing people is hard and I don't feel comfortable enforcing anything on anyone.

After writing that I think that Fi is more obvious but I'm not sure.

Hi anon! I actually think you are an INTP and don't have Fi.

Based on your general preference to thinking over action and not feeling very tied to the physical world, coupled with indecision, high Ne seems very likely. From the description here, you sound fairly introverted as well.

A lot of this can either be attributed to general behaviors for anyone, might be specific to you but not MBTI-specific (eg: anxiety, being negative sometimes); or is a bit too subjective to type (unless someone actively demonstrates self-awareness I can corroborate, it's really hard to judge someone's own self-assessment), but the following, to me, indicate Ti over Fi:

Difficulty forming strong opinions. Fi doms can be indecisive over action but they often have fairly strong ideas of what they like and dislike. They also tend to develop judgments of other people fairly easily; while many Fi users are quite open-minded, they also tend to have strong boundaries and "live and let live" doesn't mean they don't have their deeply felt preferences.

Arrogance specifically tied to seeing one's self as smarter is something far more common in immature thinkers (note: not tied to whether they're ACTUALLY smarter; it's just that doing this is something I see more in high Ti and Te users, myself included).

Systemizing, categorizing, and theorizing to understand everything whether or not it's necessary is usually considered one of the hallmarks/most common themes among high Ti users.

Feelers are often much more comfortable with self-expression.

So: my guess is you're an INTP, but perhaps a 6 or 9 eneagram rather than a 5 and therefore may not have fit some of the more aggressively 5 enneatype descriptions.

[leefi]

Hi, I noticed you did the MBTI types of the ORV characters, and I was wondering what you think the MBTI types are for the Revue Starlight gals :D

Anon, I want you to know that this google doc is 14 pages single-spaced, and I'm still not done.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'm so glad you asked!! I'll be breaking this up into four parts so we don't have to scroll through one massive wall of text. The other schools will take a bit more time to publish as I'm still working on a couple from each (I think I have four girls left!).

But without further ado:

Starira MBTI Part 1 - Seisho

Siegfeld

Frontier

Rinmeikan

I had a lot of help with all of this reading @HalfACape’s wonderful character analyses of so many of the girls on twitter, as well as consulting the Personality Database page for the characters I was less sure about (though there were a few I disagreed with on there - none in Seisho, we'll be discussing the others later). But everyone feel free to discuss if you disagree with anything!

Karen Aijo: ENFP

ENFPs’ dominant function is Ne (extroverted intuition) (that running gag Karen has in the game where she mishears words, spouting off suggestions even if they make absolutely zero sense to the situation at hand - “telescope? telephone? telenovella?” - is such stereotypical Ne). Ne is always running towards any possibility, no matter how unlikely it seems, and I don’t need to spell out for you how much of that we saw from Karen in the anime. Ne-Fi feed each other to create a rebel/free-spirit type of personality (Ne seeks all possibilities, Fi holds strong inner values and selfish desires - what do I want, what do I need? How does this make me feel?). Her Te isn’t too developed yet, which is fine because it’s tertiary and she’s still so young. That tertiary, undeveloped Te shows up in her scatterbrained, lackadaisical, go-with-the-flow attitude (but when dominant Fi gets fired up by something - like an old childhood friend coming home - it kicks Te into high gear). Inferior introverted Sensing shows no respect towards rules or regulations - see her revue with Junna (Si-dominant) and the anger she draws out of Maya for (a child of the system and traditionally hard worker) in their Revue of Pride. Karen is the natural rebel, the forever optimist, the sunshine girl - textbook ENFP.

Mahiru Tsuyuzaki: INFP

If you want to see what leading with an introverted function looks like compared to an extroverted function, compare Mahiru to Karen! They share the exact same functions, just flipped on the I/E axis. So Mahiru is Fi, Ne, Si, Te. Karen is Ne, Fi, Te, Si. And Mahiru is a very clear example of an INFP - such a warm, brilliant, awe-inspiring person, but can also be her own worst enemy and others tend to underestimate her. And it’s hard, I don’t blame her! Leading with Fi and not having that physical/in the moment Se to support it (like ISFPs do, just compare her to Kaoruko--yes--they’re only one letter off from each other) means that it’s extremely hard for INFPs to naturally advocate for themselves...so instead, they retreat into their own imaginations where it’s safer (Ne). BUT THEY’RE SO INCREDIBLE!! THERE’S SO MUCH THERE TO RESPECT AND ADMIRE!! *shakes her like maracas* IF YOU WOULD JUST SHOW US!!!!!!! (and this is her whole arc in the anime i don’t need to tell her lol). It’s actually so interesting how she and Karen’s Fi and Ne escapism manifests in their respective introverted/extroverted personalities. These two really are more similar than most of us think!

I love INFPs so, so much because they’re like sleeping giants. Once they get a hold of and develop that inferior extroverted Thinking it’s over - nobody else can compare. They’re like the characters in video games that start off super weak, and then you blink and suddenly they’ve become the most powerful units near the end of the game.

Kagura Hikari: INTJ

ENFP’s stereotypical partner (I swear every other reserved person A/sunshine person B couple in fiction is this type pairing) and while it’s tropey it works because these two types play off each other so well. I actually originally had her pegged as an ISTJ, but I think that her bullheadedness earlier in the anime is more indicative of Ni being stubborn. Hikari is cagey, reserved (tert Fi/inferior Se), and an incredibly high-achieving individual (dominant Ni sets specific goals, auxiliary Te implements). Her tertiary Fi (which INTJs LOVE to keep locked up, right here, forever, until they die) is so obvious as you slowly learn just how much of a sap/romantic she is. It’s her weaker Fi that holds that sentimentality towards Starlight after all these years, her Fi that struggles to hold on to that childhood promise, her Fi that has her following Karen (and eventually Mahiru as well) around like a duckling (though we initially get the impression that the dynamic is the other way around). She grows to care deeply for all the other girls around her and that’s all her tertiary introverted Feeling getting stronger as the story progresses! Like so many people in the fandom have realized, she isn’t a mean person, she’s just socially awkward. Not too much to say on her inferior Se, that mostly manifests in how she’s a homelier person who would rather stay in than go out, and doesn’t actively try to seek new experiences (this was what had me thinking ISTJ at first).

Junna Hoshimi: ISTJ

Karen’s polar opposite - they actually share the exact same functions, just in reverse! So Junna leads with introverted Sensing where it’s Karen’s weakest, and Karen leads with extroverted Intuition where it’s Junna’s weakest. And we see this play out in their revue!

Junna is one of my favorite characters in the series for a reason and it’s because it’s SO rare to see the ISTJ in a rebellious role. Si is all about following and respecting order, and Junna breaks all of that to create her own! We see that dominant Si show up in literally every other facet of her life, though - from her by-the-book attitude to her stringency with deadlines and tardiness to her respect for the creatives of old - Shakespeare, Nietschze, etc. She’s an incredibly bright and successful student as well (any type can be of course but the “kind of student” she is is very much Te supporting Si - super studious and placing heavy weight on studying and getting straight A’s). And her Fi is SO GOOD. SO SO SO SO GOOD AND SO APPARENT - MUCH stronger than IxTJ’s sibling Hikari’s at the start of the anime. That’s where the rebellious part of her spirit comes from - her values, her strong sense of self and desire for autonomy (EXTREMELY Fi thing - Fi is all about the self, how I feel about something, what I want out of this, not feeling trapped by others’ expectations, etc.). Inferior Ne manifests in how she struggles with improvisation, ends up tunnel visioning (see her revue with Karen), and can sometimes struggle to accept new ideas or ways of doing things (Junna works so hard, but it’s evident in the anime and a lot of her starira bond stories that she can end up getting stuck in her old ways if someone else doesn’t come in to offer a new perspective -- see her Jekyll bond story dialogue with Maya!). Another example we see is when her extroverted xSTJ sibling Akira, who has Ne a step higher than her but understands where she’s coming from with their shared functions, guides her towards using it in the High Priestess bond story!

Nana Daiba: ESFJ

Textbook ESFJ!! Caring, motherly, affable; Fe doms are always looking to appeal to the group and make sure that everybody feels comfortable (and, likewise, are very keen on suppressing their own insecurities/emotions/discomforts). Nana is not ambitious for ambition’s sake, and in fact suppresses her own talents to appeal to the group. As for that Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :) Si aux… :)

Unhealthy Si can manifest as an extreme fixation on past experiences and a fear of moving on (we’re going to see this later with Si-dom Fumi too). Her poor tertiary Ne had gotten absolutely quashed by her stronger auxiliary Si in the anime - it doesn’t want to change anything! Claudine and Maya can be the leads again. We don’t need to modify the script. The first one was already perfect, why are we risking failure by changing things?! Also, holding herself back for the sake of everyones’ happiness is so Fe dom it hurts. If you want to see the difference between ESFJ and ENFJ (the two Fe-doms of MBTI), compare her to Michiru, who also suppresses her talents -- yes to cultivate the other girls’ (specifically Akira’s) brilliance but also for the sake of her ulterior motives to one day create her own troupe (aux Ni at work vs. Nana’s aux Si). Nana’s is more deferrant, but still just as ferocious - she’ll defeat Maya 60 times over to get what she wants. And the craziest thing is that all of this comes out of love and fear - she’s scared, and all of that is coming from her unhealthy Si aux. Junna is a very good example for her to follow for healthier Si.

Claudine Saijo: ENTJ

“DON’T IGNORE MY LINES!!!” ENTJs LOVE being at the top - the leaders of the pride, the people in charge, the ones you have to answer to (AND she’s a Leo too. Jfc girl pick a struggle LMAOOOOO). You get the picture - except Claudine isn’t in that position. Maya is. Claudine doesn’t even get a revue or her own song, because she’s Maya’s eternal second. This is a really, really uncomfortable spot for an ENTJ to be in, and it’s evident in how hard she pushes herself - and how antsy she gets whenever Maya is around. But Claudine never blames an outside system or factors like Karen (inferior Si) does for her situation - she just gets angry and more driven to succeed, bulldozing her way to the finish line (dominant Te-tertiary Se interacting). The tragedy of her character is that she will never surpass Maya, so we see her Ni begin to reframe achieving the very top to becoming the only star in Maya’s eye (little does she know that she’s already succeeded). That ripping off of her cloak at the end of the revue duet - “the only loser here is me” - is her inferior Fi poking its head out. At the end of the day, Claudine is an interesting character because she’s a walking contradiction. She’s a star denied a spotlight, but she isn’t a failure either, so she’s forced to grapple with this ambiguous, there-but-not-quite-there middle ground. It’s one big identity crisis in the making, and it’s clear to see why so many people relate to her and love her as a character - a lot of us can empathize with never quite being satisfied, and looking up towards heights that can appear insurmountable.

Maya Tendo: INFJ

She seems so normal and established and then you look closer and realize there’s something seriously wrong with her and oh my god where did this massive god complex come from. Typical Ni dom

From her detached, more “mature” personality to her altruistic and often surprisingly keen insight towards people, she has so many key makings of an INFJ. That dominant Ni is strong in Maya - everything is poured into theatre. Everything. From her hobbies to her interests to her personality, everything Maya does in her life is deliberate and all of it is for the sake of theatre. Ni bitches LOVE to fixate on just one thing, and for Maya, that is the stage. “I have no need for those who lack willpower...Come climb up here if you have the resolve...A single step forward is a step closer to my dream” is just...yeah I’m being redundant. Dominant introverted intuition. Ni Ni Ni Ni. This girl embodies it - while Hikari is also a Ni-dom, Maya shows a TON more of it than her (can’t say I blame the writers - Ni is probably the most difficult function to write because it requires thinking so many steps ahead for your character). We can see a marked difference between INFJs and INTJs here in how Maya and Hikari practice solitude - Hikari purposely isolates herself from Karen to avoid hurting her, while Maya purposely isolates and crafts herself into an untouchable God to serve as an inspiration to others (auxiliary extroverted Feeling). Want to see how this looks with the INFJ’s extroverted sibling, the ENFJ? Look at how Michiru crafts Akira’s public image. That’s Ni and Fe at work, just in different priority slots (Maya is Ni dominant, Michiru is Fe dominant - they share the same functions, just flipped on the I/E axis). That tertiary Ti is very prevalent too - Maya mostly keeps her thoughts to herself, and loves to mull over things. She definitely isn’t the first one to shout out an answer, she prefers to think things over.

One interesting comment that really stood out to me on her personality database page was how she’s an INFJ with an INTP persona in the anime, and I think I agree (INFJs and INTPs tend to present similarly and can be easily confused with each other anyway)! But I want to add on to that - I think that INTP presentation is her auxiliary Fe at play crafting a persona that better coincides with Claudine’s, as ENTJ/INTP matchups are extremely compatible (not saying Maya was thinking about MBTI LOL but rather she brought out and exemplified aspects of her personality that would better complement Claudine’s - their partnership is not a one-way street at all! Maya does so much for her!!). Just compare anime Maya to stageplay Maya, where she gives no headway and is absolutely brutal to Claudine.

Futaba Isurigi: ISTP

Futaba is such a great example of what a healthy ISTP can look like! Dominant Ti shows up in how she communicates with others - she's honest, direct, and to the point, but it's never utilized in a way that’s mean-spirited (contrary to how her girlfriend often can be) - it’s just how she communicates. Claudine (a Te dom which works SO well with Ti) actually points out in Starira that this is why they get along so well. Aux Se shows up in her physicality - her love and strength is in stage fights, she's into mechanics with her motorcycle and does all the maintenance herself, etc. Funnily enough, I think that tert Ni, while a slot above Fe, is actually Futaba’s least developed trait (or, at least, the one she's most guarded about) - she went into Seisho to follow Kaoruko, and her aux Se dominates that tert slot and gives her a … little bit of a lackadaisical attitude? Obviously not as much as someone like Karen, but in many senses she doesn't outwardly display a strong fear or anxiety towards the future like the other girls (completely understandably) do - and it’s that tert Ni getting angry when she feels as if Kaoruko is stagnating in her plans. There’s some inklings of her own plan for the future, but Futaba’s own individual plans are mostly kept to herself, so we don’t know how much or little she’s done about them. (I have more to add but will not continue as I’m venturing into movie spoilers territory, but for those that have watched/read them, try to draw your own conclusions based on what I’ve said!). I think that having such a close relationship with Kaoruko is what pushed her to develop that inferior Fe so early to support her girlfriend's dominant Fi. I actually originally had her typed as ESTP for how strong her Fe was (ESTPs have it a slot higher than their introverted siblings), but she really doesn’t strike me as an extrovert, and ISTPs with developed Fe can be very warm, affable people too!

Kaoruko Hanayagi: ISFP

“Kaoruko Hanayagi’s dream is world domination.”

Kaoruko is such a great example of what an unhealthy ISFP can look like! LMAOOO but no, I’m dead serious - if you want to know what unhealthy introverted Feeling looks like, look to Kaoruko. Everything is me me me me me me me, to hell with what anyone else wants (if you want to compare unhealthy Fe to unhealthy Fi, compare Nana and Kaoruko). Tertiary Ni shows up to support Fi in how surprisingly sharp she is towards other people - what makes them tick, exactly where to hurt, their inner thoughts and feelings (see her bathtub conversation with Mahiru).

BUT THAT DOMINANT Fi IS ALSO SUCH A POWERFUL THING. That “me me me me me me” is going to turn into “my vision, and what I want to create, and what I’m going to do” (once that inferior Te finally develops - which Kaoruko is going to be forced to put work into eventually). This is why, like Mahiru, I think that Kaoruko is seriously going to blossom later on in life - ISFPs and INFPs, the Pisces of the MBTI, have this weird penchant for going under the rader and then becoming insanely fucking successful OUT OF NOWHERE??? Like, they aren’t super motivated and driven with a specific plan like Ni-strong xNxJs, or disciplined and hardworking like Te-strong xSTJs, but???? You blink and suddenly they’re millionaires with four creative projects going on simultaneously (but if they get bored with any of them they’ll drop them instantly - you could not pay me all the money in the world to be an IxFP’s manager it must be an absolute nightmare <3). Just...legends out of nowhere? Rihanna is an ISFP Pisces so I have real world evidence to back this up.

[thepersonalitystandard]

Personality Hacker has nicknamed Si “Memory.” In all fairness, I do not believe that they claim that the idea of memory covers all the aspects of Si, or that other types somehow lack a memory. Instead, the nickname is meant to guide beginners in learning typology.

Furthermore, it is not entirely inaccurate. Si doms do typically have a strong memory, and Si inferiors are typically marked by their lack of strong memory. This though is a secondary affect of Si, and not a core aspect of the function itself.

The problem is that Memory failed to capture the essence of what Si is. Furthermore, it can create confusion with people as it plays too easily into bad stereotypes that trivialize it in ways I do not believe Personality Hacker intended.

So, what is Si? A more accurate nickname would be Eternity. Other good nicknames also exist, but I think Eternity is grand enough to force us to see Si for how it really operates: it’s focus is not on the past but on timeless.

Si is the sensation of stability. It focuses on subjective concepts frozen in time. Yes, the future should match the past, but the past should also match the future. Si provides an inherit bias against the popular idea of progressive time. Time is instead a frozen circle that endures instead of progresses. (I do not mean they all consciously believe this, but that their type is biased towards this worldview subconsciously).

Si Doms are often characterized as enemies of the future, and it’s true that they often manifest like this. However, it is often missed that Si doms can also be enemies of the past if their idea of stable concepts shifts. The reason is because Si sees the world through unchanging beliefs. I do not mean their beliefs don’t change, but that even though these new beliefs are considered as always true. Once you convince an Si dom of a new idea, they will be strong advocates of it, and will be very critical to their own past beliefs. This can be contrasted with Ne doms who may criticize their past beliefs, but also want to keep a door to the past open because one they might want to go back. Si doms want to close the door of potential change, even when that makes them the most radical person in the room (for example a Si dom who has adapted Marxist ideals).

On a more down to earth view, Si will still be focused on creating objects of endures either through ethics (Fe) or logic (Te). This can create an interesting confusion between Si and Ni since both can seem like they are focused on the future. In short, Ni is focused on progressive future (this is only a small aspect of Ni though). Similar to Ne, it is biased towards change. One thing will change to another. Si wants to freeze time, so that it endures unchanging. A Si dom is just as capable of being future focused as Ni doms. Ultimately the difference is that Ni doms are predicting or creating specific change, and Si doms are trying to create something that resist that change.

Augustus (ISTJ): "I found Rome brick and left it marble."

Marcus Aurelius (ISFJ): "We are all made for cooperation, like feet, like hands ... like the rows of the upper and lower teeth. To act against one another then is contrary to nature."

[spoppersonality]

SPOP Character Typing: Adora

ESTJ, 9w1, 953, so/sp

I’ve seen Adora typed as ESFJ and ENFJ, and I get why people don’t think she seems “hard” enough to be an extroverted thinking dominant type. But I think this is exactly the kind of mistype that happens when people don’t know Enneagram. Adora is an interesting mix because she has a super soft Enneagram core type and a harder “take-charge” MBTI type.

So, let’s get into that.

MBTI: ESTJ

I think what people forget when they type Adora as an extroverted feeling dominant type, is how incredibly personal and tactful Fe-doms are. (On a good day, anyway.) Adora, however, tends to be more impersonal and straight-to-the-point. Te-doms can also come off as people-oriented, that is not exclusive to Fe-doms, but they go about it differently. There is an Fe-dom in the Best Friends Squad, but that is not Adora.

If you think about it, Adora is a very classic Te-Si type. She likes rules and has a natural inclination towards implementing those rules in a very practical, hands-on type of manner. She’s very action oriented. She sees what needs to be done, and does it. ESTJs are highly effective in the sense that they don’t often stop to ask as much questions as some other types. They go about things based on what gets them from point A to point B, and what has worked in the past, or how they are used to doing things. They can also get quite hooked in moving from one plateau to the next in a routinely manner. This can often be how ESTJs go through life, if they don’t stop to think about why they are doing what they are doing, and specifically what personal values drive their actions. No wonder ESTJs are generally the jockiest jocks to ever jock.

Being a Te-dom doesn’t mean you’re not empathetic. Adora definitely is. It just means that you primarily show it through action. If a friend cries, for an Fe-dom the most natural course of action may be to sit with them and listen, and for a Te-dom it might be eliminating the reason for the crying. This is overly simplified of course, and real people as well as good fictional characters are multifaceted, but you get the idea. This is how Adora most often works. It’s not: “Catra, I can see something is bothering you, do you want to talk about it?” It’s: “Let’s take a skiff for a ride to cheer you up.”

Adora can also be quite funny in a random seeming way, which is due to her tertiary extroverted intuition. ESTJs and ESFJs (tert Ne-types) are often one of the most hilarious people alive, because they like to use their extroverted intuition in tandem with their dominant function. The level of control they have over it isn’t often that great, so it comes off as child-like randomness. Their first two functions lead them towards order and predictability, but when Ne comes into play and they venture out of their usual habits, they may surprise you. The results might be unpredictable: Turns out licking sand didn’t work for Adora but with the help of her friends she managed to play Double Trouble’s game nicely.

In general ESTJs are not in their comfort zone with Ne-type of creativity or innovation but they are not hopeless with it. Adora struggles with the more unpredictable qualities of her sword, like turning it into different objects. She doesn’t use that quality too often and doesn’t have too much variety when she does. While Adora’s first instinct is to simply charge ahead, someone with high Ne would’ve been likely to utilize the flexible qualities of the sword to the max. But Adora can still manage it, her Ne isn’t low enough to be considered her Achille’s heel. She takes a bit of time with it but eventually comes up with solutions that work, such as carrying her sword as a bracelet.

Introverted feeling is what Adora desperately needs in her life and has trouble figuring out. If you think about Fi-doms, they are people who spend a lot of time thinking about who they are, what they want, what they value, and their life builds around that. It’s their most natural state, thinking about whether or not everything they face is something they like/dislike, if it’s good/bad, right/wrong, desirable or not, them or not them.

This is what makes the planets align for an ESTJ. They neglect this function, and when they finally start developing it, the whole world is new for them. This is very literal in Adora’s case, it’s like Etheria’s magic is waking up with her introverted feeling. (Because when all your four functions finally align it IS magic.) That function, introverted feeling, is essentially where she keeps her love for Catra, or rather, it’s the function she needs to be able to make one person, whether it’s Catra or herself, a priority. Te is a rather utilitarian function, and since Adora leads with that and has internalized the belief that her desires don’t matter, there’s nothing in her dominant extroverted thinking process that would justify her “selfish” desires. Te cares about numbers, masses and large scale consequences. She needs Fi, the function that is all about individuality, and essentially yourself. We know how much it takes for that function to surface for her, but when it does, oh boy.

Enneagram

Core type: 9

As a type 9, Adora comes off as unassuming, warm and friendly. 9’s are all about forgiveness, self-neglect and acceptance.

9 is the most “traditionally selfless” type, because unlike Enneagram 2s for example, 9s don’t expect anything in return for what they give to others. Adora’s upbringing has magnified that quality in her (which was obviously very intentional from Shadow Weaver). 9s also have a natural tendency to ignore negative feelings, so they can keep feeling “okay” and unaffected by the external world. This quality makes 9s susceptible to staying in bad situations and bad relationships for a very long time, because they so persistently see the good in others. This is why it took Adora so long, and why she needed evidence that was impossible to ignore to realize that the Horde didn’t have a good cause. 9s are conflict-avoidant because they fear loss and separation above all. That’s why Adora too is such a people pleaser. She would rather live in “fake” harmony, than be the one to create conflict that causes emotional pain. Unfortunately, that’s exactly why 9s sometimes upset others. Like how Adora is unwilling to do anything that would get her on Shadow Weaver’s bad side, which hurts Catra. Or how she pretends to be the She-Ra Plumerians expect her to be so she wouldn’t disappoint them, which only leads her to disappoint them more later. It’s very classic 9 of her to let things develop to a point where everything comes crashing down before addressing the conflict she really needs to address. 9s tend to go with the flow, and sometimes too far.

One of the big things with 9s is that they lack a solid sense of self. They are out of touch with their needs, desires, and identity. Another thing that Shadow Weaver magnified in Adora. Basically, if you break a 9’s sense of self-worth far enough, they’ll become a blank canvas for others to write on, because they already believe they are somehow inherently “less” than others. They always assume to be the least important person in the room. As a 9, what being She-Ra essentially meant to Adora was being everyone else’s servant. For other types it would have meant different things, like to a type 4 it would have been about having personal significance in the world, and to a 3 it would have essentially been about being a celebrity. As a 9 Adora was also one of the most likely people to just roll with it. Like, if you threw something like that at a type 6, they would have most likely just bolted, and half of the storyline would’ve been about “I can’t/don’t want to do this!”. (=a tip for anyone who wants to write certain role swap AUs. ;D)

As a 9, Adora integrates to 3, so at her best mental state, she becomes driven, ambitious, present, and sees her value as a person. She’s no longer someone things happen to, but she’s the driving force in changing her life and the things around her. She disintegrates to 6, so in times of prolonged stress she can get easily irritable, pessimistic, and feel helpless.

Wing: 1

This is where Adora gets her grit, and the moralizing side to her character. Having a strong 1-wing definitely helped her survive in the Horde but it also frequently adds fuel to her self-sacrificing: it’s so easy to back up that 9 quality by telling herself it’s “the right thing to do”. The Right Thing is all 1 cares about. It also plays directly into her dominant Te tendency to follow rules, and makes her the typical “Lawful Good” type of person. Catra’s accusation that Adora “thinks she’s better than everyone” doesn’t miss the mark too far. Even though Adora isn’t a core 1, and as such her whole identity isn’t wrapped up in being morally superior, she does care about having integrity to a certain extend. So, maybe she doesn’t literally think she’s better than everyone, but she still strives to be above certain things, and hates the idea of being “bad”.

Head fix: 5

This is largely where Adora’s nerdy side comes from. 5s want to be competent, and they hate not knowing what to do, so they want a lot of information. Not knowing and not understanding frightens them. The most blatant expression of this with Adora is probably the whole thing with the princess prom. This side of her comes to surface when she can’t just adapt (=9) or do the right thing (=1). 5 is also detached and uncomfortable with their feelings, so this only strengthens Adora’s 9-tendency to not address hers. 5s are also big on compartmentalizing, so this greatly helps Adora to entertain certain difficult realities inside herself as if it’s nothing, such as Catra is an enemy she routinely fights, but she would also die for her in a heartbeat.

Heart fix: 3

If none of the three other strategies work, Adora will try to solve things and get people on her side by showing off. 3s want to be viewed as valuable and useful by others, and in Adora’s case it’s probably best seen in the way she acts when she meets Huntara. 3 is where she gets her cocky side. It’s a funny contrast with her humble 9-core, and in most cases she only has enough confidence to act like this when she’s with Catra, or when she’s She-Ra. Having a 3-fix also plays into her need to be useful, because while 9s often want to be useful to excuse their existence, 3s also want to hear that they are useful, so whatever little vanity Adora has will always directly reinforce the idea that good things come from her overexerting herself.

Instinctual Variant: so/sp

Social instinct is Adora’s primary instinct. She has a natural inclination to play by the rules of the group and acknowledge hierarchy, because social variants get safety from belonging and having a place, a role, in something bigger than themselves. Even though she has her hero complex, she doesn’t tend to fly solo until the stakes are really high. She never questions the Princess Alliance, it’s simply natural for her to move from one group to another, and that She-Ra’s strength belongs for the rebellion. She doesn’t really seem to get why some other people don’t seek the strength in numbers. Losing She-Ra also primarily means losing her place in the group for her, and she very much struggles to accept this.

Self-preservation instinct is Adora’s secondary one. It may seem like it isn’t because she’s so ready to die for others, but self-preservation isn’t really about that. It’s more about being preoccupied with questions of resources. Like, after turning against the Horde, Adora isn’t just concerned about losing the support of the group, her mind also immediately goes to “I don’t have a roof over my head”. She’s not as particular about having her physical needs met as a primary self-pres would be, but it’s included in her priorities. She feels out of place in Bright Moon because she’s used to different kind of surroundings, and losing She-Ra’s power is a hard blow because of losing the physical strength she has as She-Ra: her means for providing physical safety for others. She also desires some amount of independence, and She-Ra gave her that as well.

Sexual instinct is what Adora needs more in her life. That’s so tied to the whole point of the show that I’m not even sure what would be worthwhile for me to say about it at this point. The whole conflict between her and Catra relates so closely to it. Adora will routinely make sacrifices in her personal relationships for the common good, because one-to-one relationships are not her first concern in life. People who neglect their sexual instinct are uncomfortable with their more “primal” and intense feelings, so even in her closest relationships Adora is more about being friendly and accommodating and showing warm feelings to the other. She doesn’t have the “let me stare you deep into the eyes for hours and drown myself in them” quality that is characteristic of the sexual instinct. However, this is exactly the part she needs to accept in herself to be fully satisfied and to take her relationships to another level.

SPOP is so juicy because it’s so much about personal growth. We see Adora face pretty much every weakness and blind spot that relates to her personality, and we get to see her change for the better. At least that makes it very satisfying for me to analyse, because I’m such a fan of growth. Can’t wait to get to analyse the other main characters, and the supporting cast too.

Also, if you wish I would do a particular character, just tell me and I’ll take that into consideration!

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Are you familiar with Little Women? Is Beth INFP or ISFJ? I don't really see enough Ne or Fe. I'm wondering how to determine the aux when her life/dev was cut short. Is Amy ESFP or ENFJ? You've said that using the tert is more likely to lead to problems, but how to differentiate an impulsive kid or unhealthy Se? I don't know what Laurie is and I'd love to hear any thoughts of yours. Thanks

I haven’t read the book. I’ve watched the 1994 and 2019 film adaptations and read some literary commentary. I don’t know whether I’ve captured the true spirit of the characters in my mind yet. 

The story is a period piece at this point, which means that context is very important for getting into the minds of the characters. That is, we should avoid projecting our current understanding about personality expression onto past eras. Theirs was a time when people, especially women, were not afforded the freedom that we have today to be oneself and pursue one’s own happiness. They were also quite limited in their exposure to the wider world, thus, new and diverse learning opportunities were rare and to be cherished. Despite being in financial hardship and difficult political times, I believe that the girls had a good moral upbringing. The fact that the girls eventually learned the right things to focus on in life is a credit to their mother’s strong and steady influence. Given this backdrop, I think there will be more examples of healthy than unhealthy function use. The girls are well-adjusted people.

Yes, it is more difficult to assess children, as they do not express the functions in typical adult fashion. Adults have the benefit of many years of feedback about their function use and they are more consistent in their function expression, whereas children are in their experimental phase and often misfire in their attempts to use a function. That is, there is a lot of “noisy” data to sort through when observing kids.

Beth

I’ve often seen words like “shy”, “pious”, and “industrious” used to characterize her. I don’t think introvert is in doubt. Her manner is reserved, she prefers to keep to herself, and she is self-motivated. I don’t think F is in doubt. She cares very deeply and her judgments/decisions are largely informed by her feelings. 

Other than the expected imaginative play of all children, I don’t see any evidence of Ne, and she should be showing some significant signs at her age. Being P means being a prospector of information. She lacks the curious, exploring, and adventurous mindset of NPs. Shy and reserved INFPs still find ways to explore the world safely such that they feel brave in their own way (a great example that pops to mind is the character Amélie from the film of the same name). But Beth is perfectly content to close herself off from practically every opportunity to venture out into the world, and there were some very good opportunities presented to her that NPs typically wouldn’t be able to resist. She prefers that life is tightly structured around familiar people, routines, and comfort zones, where she is able to feel in control of her own realm. Of all the sisters, she seems to enjoy her routines the most, as she is most likely to perform her chores and duties without complaint or requiring admonishment. Dutiful, obedient, routine, and “industrious” behavior does not come naturally to INFPs (i.e. not without coercion of some kind), in fact, they tend to really struggle with it unless they are motivated by deep passion. Therefore, there’s compelling evidence that Si is the higher function.

One of the main arguments I’ve seen for INFP revolves around Beth’s strong moral beliefs. If every person with strong moral beliefs is Fi dom, the world would be overrun with them. Why is it that, of all the types, SFJs are known for being the best caregivers? Let’s not do them a disservice by downplaying the strong moral beliefs that FJs are also capable of. It’s more important to look at the source of the beliefs and how exactly they are expressed. 

To me, the word “pious” invokes Si more than Fi. A pious person is a rule-abider at heart, someone who deeply respects tradition and ritualistic expressions of it. A pious person also faithfully corrects un-pious behavior, as a form of self-improvement. Challenging oneself to be “proper” (Si) is somewhat different than feeling “good” (Fi). I would argue that Beth’s morality comes from her sense of what is proper and “expected” of people, as picked up in very literal terms from her mother’s pithy advice. Beth is acutely aware of how her suffering might impact others and tries her best to put people at ease. She also never needs to be told twice and she doesn’t struggle with moral decisions in the way that her sisters do. 

INFPs often feel conflicted when decision-making because they tend to be full-to-the-brim with conflicted feelings after having prospected too many Ne possibilities. Beth does not seem to suffer this common problem because she’s not just about following her feelings and she’s not as full of conflicted feelings as one would expect of INFPs (i.e. F is not dominant). She is naturally good at managing feelings and keeping them in check because her main approach to information is to structure it with rules and regulations. And purposely keeping her world very contained to the known and simple is a way of making doubly sure that the rules are never difficult to follow. Luckily for her, she lived during a time when it was still relatively easy to choose a small and simple life, away from the stressors of the world at large. She didn’t get to experience the weeds of developing Fe because she purposely kept life simple socially, and then she died before she was forced out into the real world. 

Amy

Aside from the impulsiveness one would expect of children, I’m not sure I see other significant signs of Se dom. Fortunately, we do get to see her grow up, and the mature Amy doesn’t resemble ESFP. 

One of the main differences that I look for between ESFPs and ENFJs is the degree to which they “think” about how to socialize and fit in. ENFJs approach socializing in a much more complicated way than ESFPs, for better and for worse. ENFJs are more “calculating” socially (for lack of a better word) because Fe relies on knowledge of social norms to achieve social acceptance. ESFPs tend to fit in more naturally by virtue of being themselves and showing off whatever obvious talents or good qualities they have. The more ESFPs “think” about how to socialize, the more they fumble socially, because they get further and further away from themselves (i.e. betrayal of Fi + poor use of Ni). The more carefully ENFJs think about how to socialize, the more they succeed at climbing the social ladder, because they are better able to abstract the essential rules for socializing well (i.e. good use of Fe + Ni). 

As a result of this main difference in “complexity” of socializing, ENFJs tend to think/talk a lot more about fitting in (how to do it and how to behave the right way), whereas ESFPs tend to reject abstract talk about “how to” and prefer to “just do it”, since complexity only leads them astray. Notice how Amy gives Jo and Laurie unsolicited advice about how to be “better”, i.e., more acceptable. ESFPs aren’t likely to interfere with people like that because they don’t possess complicated “social worries” to project onto others.

Amy often gets obsessed about particular things that she believes are necessary for “moving up in the world”, such as: physical appearance, material possessions, matters of etiquette, impressing the right people, learning the right crafts, developing the right skills, and so on and so on. Moving up in the world seems to be her main character motivation AND she’s a natural at it. ESFPs, with the strength and conviction of healthy Fi, tend to dislike/resent the idea of social hierarchy, so it pains them a lot more to feel forced into participating in categorizing people along those lines, and, in the end, they will feel that social rewards are meaningless if obtained through betraying Fi. ENFJs are much more willing to play the long social game, even when they are aware that it’s all an act, because Fe benefits much more greatly than Se from the rewards of social status. In the end, Amy makes the correct decision to prioritize her well-being over the superficial trappings of social status (Fe+Ni well-balanced).

Laurie

I’m not sure about him, either, because he’s a supporting character and we aren’t privy to all of his motivations. Being rich affords him a carefree life, so his personality development is rather slow due to not being challenged to grow. I think he’s introverted as he’s modest and unassuming, not one to actively seek out attention, esteem, or glory. I think he’s P as he doesn’t seem to require any structure and is content amusing himself with whatever he likes moment to moment. He seems to scrape by just fine no matter where he is or what he’s doing, and he doesn’t aspire to much more than drifting along. However, I think his lack of aspiration isn’t a natural part of his personality but more a result of him being bogged down by unresolved heartbreaks. He feels somewhat alone in the world (family issues). He dreams of being with Jo but she refuses him. He dreams of being a musician but feels torn about disrespecting his benefactor. He dreams of various careers but lacks the talent.

What’s his main motivation? I think he would love nothing more than to devote himself wholeheartedly to the people he loves. He’s basically willing to accept any sort of life as long as he gets to be with his loved ones. This deep romanticism indicates F, and if also P, then Fi dom. His long and deep devotion to the IDEAL of being with Jo might indicate Ne. Later, he longs for the past and his childhood relationships with Jo and the girls, which might be an indication of Fi-Si loop. He has mythologized Jo, their past together, and the future they could’ve had. It takes both Jo and Amy to make him face facts. A running theme in the book is how women are expected to be proper for men (so as to be a good influence and/or not lead them astray), and the sisters saving Laurie from himself is a good example of that.

Observe how he sizes up the girls and the ways in which he tries to care for and protect them. One thing that he seems to value a lot is “authenticity” and he tends to call them out for inauthentic behavior throughout the years. He had a hand in Amy re-evaluating her priorities. In return, Amy taught him that "authenticity” is a privilege (as women didn’t have the freedom to be authentic) and he came to admire her ambition and tenacity. He seems to think that he’s good at sizing people up, but she’s on a different level. I think that he was impressed by her blunt assessment of his lifestyle, probably because he had never encountered that sort of tough love (aka honesty) before. It seems that he needed someone to be tough with him, which is common for INFPs. Jo was always the star of the show, too self-involved to encourage his growth. Amy opened up his mind, which he seemed to sorely need for moving forward (perhaps Ne resolution).

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Sensor vs intuitive

The last ask about ISTJ vs INTJ got me really confused. For quite a while after getting into MBTI I was sure I was intuitive. Sensors are always described as not making assumptions or predictions, at times even said to be adamantly against it, like your mom. I've always naturally predicted how things would go and mostly was right. And I naturally notice and recognize hidden meanings and messages, so I thought that meant intuitive. I also became interested in abstract subjects pretty early on as a teenager, which I thought just confirmed it. Later on I learned that was a stereotype, sensors can also be interested in psychology, analysis of literature and art in general, mysticism etc. I had an epiphany I was actually a sensor about a year ago because of the one thing that always bugged me as an intuitive: I'm a realist, idealism annoys me. I also respect facts an hate when people make things up and ignore/twist them. I realized that was a theme on your asks about N vs S. Because I can't ignore and trust/value abstraction and what's behind the surface I assumed I had to have tertiary intuition, not inferior. But none of the types that have tertiary Ne or Ni seemed to really fit.

I thought I had to be xSxP because of the mix of realism+ need for constant outside new info and stimulation. But yesterday you said something that made me pause: that Se types are doers rather than people who sti on their couch for hours talking about things. Because you see, that's what I do a lot of the time. I don't go out that much when not needed and I'm not very physically active. In my free time I consume material on my interests when alone, then I go look for others opinions on it and share my own through discussions. Me and my mom who I'm sure is xNFP watch documentaries about secret knowledge about cultures and things like the Bible, Aliens and world conspiracies, then we spend whole nights discussing our theories and predictions about everything, from world politics, the lives of those we know etc. to tv series. Those are my favorite times together with her, because those conversations are incredibly stimulating, I get more animated the longer it goes on, we only stop at dawn when she falls asleep. 

Thinking about hidden intentions behind things/people's behavior, speculating about the future, discussing psychology and psychopaths: my daily life. I know I'm not INTJ by the way, as like I mention I need loads of new stimulus daily. And I don't over complicate things and am oblivious to reality like INxJs are said to be. But now my confidence in being a sensor is really shaken. I don't know if being an attachment type makes seeing myself objectively more difficult (I'm a 3).

What should I do to tell if I'm a sensor or intuitive after all?

You sound like an ENTP. Preferring abstract conversation, theorizing, hours of discussing predictions and a high need for outside stimulation and new information all fits Ne-dom. ENPs are connected to the outside world and reality more than INPs simply because we go with the flow of it and attuned to it.

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ATEEZ Yeosang MBTI Analysis

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An in-depth analysis of an idol's MBTI type. Based on my opinion and observations, may change later. Not an expert.

MBTI: INTP (Ti - Ne - Si - Fe)

Dom: Ti - Introverted Thinking

A judging function that uses subjective thinking and logic to make the most rational decisions

 Yeosang is known for his bluntness, which is honestly the most Ti dom thing ever. He admits this himself, even saying the members are scared of his honesty. He isn't purposely mean though - Ti doms are just straightforward. They often don't see the point in sugarcoating if they see something wrong/irrational. Ti wants the truth always.

Aux: Ne - Extroverted Intuition  

A perceiving function that creates new ideas through connections and patterns in the environment

His Ti - Ne shined in ep 5 of the Salary Lupin series. The way he thought of the theory of MPD being an obsessive lover of San and of Seonghwa being genderfluid was quite astounding. He connected the details so well that it was highly convincing. Although he was wrong, it was still impressive that he managed to come up with that (even if it was given to him by some sort of script - I doubt it would've been that descriptive). He even has a witty sense of humor that I've noticed in high Ne users (e.g when members were wondering about Woo's apple watch model and Yeosang proceeded to put a literal apple on his own wrist, calling it an old model). 

Tert: Si - Introverted Sensing  

A perceiving function that is focused on the internal sensations of the body. Prefers familiarity and internal structure

Yeosang seems comfortable keeping some sort of routine (e.g working out). He's quick at picking up choreo and can dance correctly not too long after, making him a perfect lead dancer. He likely has a good eye for detail.

Inf: Fe - Extroverted Feeling

Extroverted Feeling places importance on the values of others and group harmony. However, Yeosang is known to be quite blunt. He isn't rude on purpose, he's just honest (which seems to be a lot of IxTP's problem). A higher Fe position would likely sugarcoat or phrase their words carefully so that they still receive a positive reaction in the end.

For Yeosang, it seems he struggles with that. Like the time he was having some issues with Wooyoung, he didn't know how to talk about it. He didn't even want to bring up the issue for fear of disrupting peace. However, it ended up slipping out anyways accidentally on live. A lot of Fe inferior don't really know how to face issues they have with others properly. How to bring it up, the apropriate timing and setting, etc so they may end up having an emotional outburst.

He also tends to keep things to himself, only going to Hongjoong when he was struggling.

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Why he's not an ISFP (Fi - Se - Ni - Te) or ISFJ (Si - Fe - Ti - Ne):

I don't think he's an ISFP since I don't see him use ISFP's functions at all. San is an ISFP and comparing the two, they're completely different. Of course not all ISFPs are the same, but Yeosang does not have a dominant/auxiliary feeling function at all.

Or an ISFJ...although same functions as INTP, just different order, I don't think he's a Si dom or Fe aux. He definitely does not seem Ne inferior.

ISFPs: San, SF9 Youngbin and Yoo Taeyang, BTS Jungkook

ISFJs: Seonghwa, SNSD Taeyeon and Yoona, TXT Soobin

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MBTI: Finn (Star Wars) - ENFP, 2w3

MBTI: Finn (Star Wars) - ENFP, 2w3

Written by Ryan (archive post from December 30, 2017)

Ooga Booga! Now have I got your attention? Welcome to the first ever post. I’ll be discussing MBTI today. More specifically Star Wars. More specifically, Finn. More specifically, y’all just can’t seem to get it right on what type this guy is. No fear though, for we’re going to take a crack on this.

First off, several people on the internet have differing opinions on which type Finn may be, and it’s understandable because these are new movies coming out, with different writers and the potential for personalities to change to service the plot. It’s happened before, and it will happen again, especially in a corporatized movie franchise. But I believe Finn’s type to remain one and the same in both movies that have been released so far, so here we go: ENFP.

“Nah, he’s ISFJ.”

Nah, I believe you’re wrong. Here’s why: *SPOILERS* This was a bit of a tough one to decided between: ESFP or ENFP. But ultimately it made more sense that he led with Ne instead of Se, for these traits of his: - Making interjectory side comments (there was one moment in The Last Jedi, can’t remember the exact words) - Being adept at creatively putting a spin on his situation by telling lies on the fly (i.e. lying to Rey about being resistance when he wasn’t, smoothly keeping up the facade through interactions with BB8. Also, lying to Rose about “inspecting the escape pods when he was trying to escape)

“Guess no one ever told me I had circuits, since I’m the new comic relief and all…”

If he led with Se, he would seem more like an adrenaline junkie, like Poe Dameron (clearly a Se user, but that’s another topic). But he’s distracted by the possibilities of future danger. Such as, most importantly, the whereabouts and condition of his unrequited lady-crush slash friend, Rey (who knows what the dynamic is and what it will become). And the constant defeatism that comes as a common trait of most idealists; he’s seen it all , and he’s had it. With this “defeatism” in particular moments, his inferior function of Si combined with Te flares up in these unhealthy moments, more specifically in The Force Awakens, when his experiences as a Stormtrooper convinced him that there’s not really a lot of hope when it comes to dealing with an organization that powerful.

Moving forward, Fi is the name of the Auxiliary game. I’m pretty sure most of the internet is in agreement when it comes to this. Deserting the First Order because “it’s the right thing to do?” Does this guy not have an internal compass?

More specifically, a nail-in-the-coffin moment comes when he’s fighting Phasma: The “rebel scum” one-liner. An Idealist would say this more than an Artisan. Because, him saying it seemed like he said it due to the thrill of being a part of a larger cause, which is DEAD-ON perceiving Idealist. An Artisan gets a rush from the action, while an Idealist gets a rush from the cause. It’s this primary difference that separates the usage of the Fi (or Ti, if you are a thinking type Artisan) in this situation. I could go on and mention other examples of clear-cut Fi (such as almost sacrificing himself at the end of the second film), but I figure that this function doesn’t really need much explaining behind its assignment. ENFPs (and non-hardened ENTPs) are infamously easy to type because of a purported childlike aura they possess. They just exude it. They could walk up to any stranger and initiate conversation if it feels like a sunny day in their mind’s eye. Provided Finn hadn’t lived his whole life as a tool for an evil organization, the metaphorical clouds in his dome (that isn’t chrome) would be lifted on most occasions and we would see enthusiasm. We get a hint of it in The Force Awakens moreso than The Last Jedi, after he meets Rey. As well as larger causes, ENFPs are stimulated by people they find interesting, and boy, does Finn find Rey interesting *hormones sizzle*. Ne-doms and secondary users are also often caught awestruck by unfamiliarity and things that seem alien. One final piece of evidence (that I can remember) is that Finn is completely enthralled by the casino on Canto Bight when he and Rose walk in there. Just as the audience is (”The Last Jedi Sucks! That scene wasn’t the Star Wars I know!”). Next time you see the film, just take a look at the way his face lights up like a match in that scene. A Se user would more likely be enthralled by the gambling and the experience, but a Ne user would be enthralled by the environment and the aesthetics. And Finn doesn’t seem like a gambler. I’d say that the movies now have a pretty bonafide representation of an ENFP now (aside from Quin-Gon Jinn, which is a more complex portrayal IMO).

I attached my predicted Enneagram typing for Finn above, which would be a 2w3. If you want to know more about the meaning, check out this post https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/17/

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matthew, robert, and isobel for MBTI types!!

OOO YES GOOD ONES

Matthew is such a good non-stereotypical example of an INFP. His Fi is (mostly) healthy and strong though sometimes inconvenient (like resolving not to accept the money he inherited from Mr. Swire, because it would just be “wrong”, despite needing it to save the estate - I’m not sure about his enneagram type, but this also definitely seems connected to a 1 fix, I’m guessing he’s either a 1w2, 6, or 7w6 core, with either a 2 or 4 heart fix but I have no clue which - or initially deciding he didn’t want a valet because he felt like acting like a part of the nobility would be fake and frivolous, without thinking through potentially putting Molesley out of his job), pointing also to his inferior Te. He’s idealistic and sees a huge array of possibilities around him (new ways to run Downton, Mary’s potential to soften up and love him; aux Ne) and finds comfort in routine but has trouble leaving it and also occasionally overlooks small details, like forgetting to write a will despite being a lawyer (both are tert Si... I should know).

Robert is an ISFJ 2w1 (I think 126 tritype?). He is meticulous in making sure everything is running smoothly and usually looks to how things have run in the past to determine what he does going forward, which explains why he doesn’t like letting go of old ways/moving on (and freaks out with everything going on when Sybil brings home the chauffeur with completely different politics to his) -> Si/Ne axis. He’s persuasive, compassionate (I just watched the end of season 5 and his conversations with Cora and Edith about Marigold are such a good example! He knows exactly what to say and how to reassure Edith and it also just. Makes me happy so I’m gonna talk about it), and expresses his feelings pretty openly (Fe), and uses internal, subjective logic (he seeks to understand things rather than disprove them; Ti, as opposed to his daughters, who all use Te). As a 2, he wants to feel loved and needs affirmation, usually from Cora (which is why... he seeks it from Jane when Cora is “neglecting” him, or gets so upset at the prospect of someone else potentially loving her more). He’s a worrier, especially when he doesn’t have guidance (6) and values justice and tradition/order in his community (1).

Isobel I ran into a Thomas-y situation - she’s definitely an EFJ, but I’ve seen people make cases for both ENFJ and ESFJ (I guess her circulation of ideas surrounding her could be a case for tertiary Ne?) and don’t really know which, but I think I’m going to say ENFJ, since she usually looks to the future rather than the past (Ni vs. Si). She’s defo an Fe-dom (always focused on helping people, wanting to be listened to and valuable and bringing about good), which is doubled in her enneagram (2w1/125). She has strong Se, seeking out new opportunities to make herself useful and sometimes doing things on a whim (like announcing she’s going to pick up and go to France during the war because she feels unneeded!), which can make her feel a but overwhelming and spontaneous coupled with her lower Ti (certain things make sense to her, but they don’t align with others’ logic).

Also this is again unedited so I may swoop in and add a few more cents later but anywho thanks for the ask!