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Actually, I’d almost d-word for a spin-off anime about the Founding Era.
Hiruzen would be the protagonist, but we’d get to see more about:
What Konoha looked like during its early days
The ninja academy in its draft stages
The friendships between himself and Danzo, Homura, Koharu, Torifu, and Kagami
How he met Biwako
What Tobirama was like as a sensei (I would love to see this)
Kagami (I’m dying to know what he was like personality-wise, I hc him as being similar to Shisui with a pinch of Minato)
Koharu and her abilities (she has to be strong to have survived as long as she has, what are her abilities I must knowww)
How Hashirama and Mito got married (probably a political marriage but I still wanna know the lore)
Madara before he left and his dynamic mentoring some of the village children
How Hashirama died (probably overuse of mitotic regeneration but still)
Hiruzen’s early rule as Hokage
How Kagami died (how was he only 25 and died despite being stronger than Shisui at his prime??? It must have been a big deal I need to know)
Kagami’s Susanō (I hc it as black like others do but once again I need to know. What if he had the Yata Mirror before Itachi?)
Hiruzen in his process of becoming ‘The Professor’
Danzo’s descent into the “shadow hokage”
Homura and Koharu taking up advisor rolls
What happened to Torifu
I just need the lore omg. I am lore-hungry. Lore-raveous.
#naruto shippuden#naruto#founding era naruto#hiruzen#hiruzen sarutobi#danzo#danzo shimura#kagami#kagami uchiha#tobirama#tobirama senju#koharu utatane#homura#torifu#hashirama#hashirama senju#mito#mito uzumaki
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Mean Ninjas
Survival Techniques by Tobirama.
#mean girls#tobirama senju#hiruzen sarutobi#hiruzen#kagami uchiha#kagami#uchiha#tobirama#senju#danzo shimura#homura#utatane koharu#utanate#koharu#akimichi torifu#torifu#funny#film#Survival Techniques#sex education
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Hey, instead of playing a mediocre Antisemitism: The Simulator game, read my fanfic, it’s better anyway. And wholesome. A bit. At least this chapter. In parts. Ahem. After the wild ride in the last chapters Tobirama rests.
Smiling, Minato stroked the baby's round cheek with his finger. "Isn't he wonderful, our son?"
"Hmm," Tobirama made sleepily. "I haven't officially adopted him yet."
Ōkami paused in her fur grooming routine. "Don't pretend. You've already been calling him your cub."
Minato laughed softly. "Oh, is that so? Why don't I know about that? After all, it's my boy you're trying to raise as a wolf."
"Now all of a sudden he's your boy again. Make up your mind," Tobirama instructed him.
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Chapters: 40/? Fandom: Naruto Rating: Mature Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Namikaze Minato/Senju Tobirama, Namikaze Minato/Uzumaki Kushina, Hatake Kakashi & Senju Tobirama, Namikaze Minato & Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi & Namikaze Minato Characters: Senju Tobirama, Namikaze Minato, Hatake Kakashi, Original Characters, Sarutobi Hiruzen, Shimura Danzou, Uzumaki Kushina, Uchiha Shisui, Uzumaki Naruto, Akimichi Torifu, Tsunade (Naruto), Uchiha Itachi, Jiraiya (Naruto) Additional Tags: Long, Queerplatonic Relationships, Bisexuality, Aromantic, Asexuality, Trans Male Character, Trans Hatake Kakashi, Falling In Love, Strangers to Lovers, Family, Loss, Grief/Mourning, Sad with a Happy Ending, Happy Ending, tho first it's going to be, Sad, Time Travel, Time Travel Fix-It, Slow Burn, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Rare Pairings, Minor Character Death, No Smut, Asexual Senju Tobirama, Aromantic Senju Tobirama, disaster bi Minato, Namikaze Minato Lives, Hokage Namikaze Minato, Dark Namikaze Minato Series: Part 1 of TobiMina timetravel AU Summary:
On the verge of death, Tobirama uses his new Hiraishin seal. It is no more than a makeshift solution, a prototype that is not yet meant to be used. Nevertheless it works, he escapes from his enemies and finds himself in Konoha the next moment ... a Konoha, however, that has aged forty years. His former student Hiruzen has stepped down as Hokage and meanwhile Namikaze Minato wears the hat. Tobirama now has to find his way around a village in which much has changed almost beyond recognition and in whose shadows dark secrets have taken root.
Next update: 24 Feb
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tobirama and his CHILDRENNNNNN! ! ! ! !
#naruto#artists on tumblr#digital art#digital artist#naruto fanart#clackclackboom#my art#naruto shippuden#naruto anime#tobirama fanart#tobirama senju#senju tobirama#kagami uchiha#uchiha kagami#kagami uchiha fanart#team tobirama#Torifu Akimichi#Koharu Utatane#tsunade senju#tsunade#senju tsunade#tsunade fanart
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Teaching requires patience in droves. Depending on the Sensei, the best you can get is a thimble's worth.
(A birthday gift for @lossie92, albeit very late due to my own schedule.)
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#senju tobirama#uchiha madara#uchiha izuna#izuna lives au#uchiha kagami#akimichi torifu#shimura danzo#naruto#madatobi
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MadaTobiIzu
Camping Trip
Madara cocked his head in confusion as he saw Kagami totting a huge pack on his back.
Izuna was also taken aback at the sight of the small child. They decided to eat their lunch at the second floor of the Akimichi restaurant to enjoy seeing the busy main street of Konoha. They didn't expect to see their little clan mate totting something so outrageous.
They turn to Hikaku who was busy perusing his paperwork he refuses to leave behind in his office.
" Do you know why Kagami needs to carry a big backpack?. " Izuna curiously ask his cousin.
Hikaku looked up at them with a resign expression. " Tobirama–sama will take his Team out tommorow for a camping. "
The Uchiha Brothers perked up at that news.
A camping eh?. Wouldn't Tobirama need more Adults to wrangle his team of rambunctious brats?. And isn't that fortunate that they're very available to accompany him and his brats?.
Hikaku sigh loudly. " Whatever you're planning. I'm sure Tobirama–sama wouldn't appreciate it. "
Madara and Izuna stared back at their cousin with innocent looks.
" Don't worry Hikaku. We'll just volunteer our services to him for free. I doubt he can reign in his brats single-handedly. " Madara waved away Hikaku's worry while Izuna happily grinned and rubbed his hands in delight.
Hikaku massaged his temples. " If Tobirama-sama pummels you both for daring to interfere with his lessons...don't come running back to the Clan wearing your ugly pouts. "
Madara and Izuna looked at each other. " Well...we'll just make sure Tobi would accept us as his additional escort ne?. "
Hikaku snorted and eyed his cousins with a judgemental stare. " Goodluck to the both of you then. "
Come morning, Hikaku was left gawking as he witnesses his cousins walking out of the Konoha Gates accompanying Team Tobirama. He doesn’t know how the Brothers managed to convinced Tobirama-sama to accompany his Team but damn he fucking lost his bet to Nara Shin....again.
#madatobi#izutobi#madatobiizu#uchiha madara#senju tobirama#uchiha izuna#uchiha hikaku#poor hikaku#indeed. how did the brothers managed to convinced Tobirama to let them tag along?#hopefully the camping trip won't have any problems#or else Tobirama will lose his shit#Madara and Izuna should never wrangle children#they'll probably take it easy with kagami torifu and koharu#but not to danzo and hiruzen#😆😅#founder ficlet#amsen writes
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Akimichi’s face markings
#choji#choji akimichi#choza#choza akimichi#makaro akimichi#shito akimichi#maruten akimichi#doto akimichi#torifu akimichi#akimichi clan#bc5fanart#I looked for so many akimichi’s everywhere omg#and then noticed all of them are in narutopedia 🤣#the akimichi clan
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years later and i finally finished drawing this post
#akimichi torifu#uchiha kagami#shimura danzō#sarutobi hiruzen#mitokado homura#utatane koharu#team tobirama#torifu akimichi#kagami uchiha#danzō shimura#hiruzen sarutobi#homura mitokado#koharu utatane#haha!!!! fuck you depression!!!#you can take away my dopamine#but you can't take away my [??? idk masochism??]#i'm going to keep on drawing things i hate and posting them on the internet#and you know why?#...#me neither. this sucks lmao#so. i started this years ago as a digital drawing#but i don't have access to my prev roommate's drawings tablet anymore#hence now trying to do it on paper#the pink was supposed to highlight the tattoos and make rhem look all cool and glowy. it worked in digital. it did not work here lmao#anyway. there's not enough tag space to mention everything wrong with how this turned out so i'm just going to Not.#*accidentally completely redesigns Homura* lol oops#no listen#the skirt is bc i needed to show the tattoo placement. pants would cover it. so obviously i had no choice#the braid is bc i'd already previously had the separate thought ''hey what if Homura had a braid?''#so really. it had to be this way
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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Naruto Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Senju Touka/Uchiha Izuna, Akimichi Torifu & Shimura Danzou & Uchiha Kagami, Mitokado Homura & Sarutobi Hiruzen & Utatane Koharu Characters: Senju Touka, Uchiha Izuna, Team Tobirama - Character, Akimichi Torifu, Mitokado Homura, Sarutobi Hiruzen, Shimura Danzou, Uchiha Kagami, Utatane Koharu Additional Tags: Idc what Canon says - in my heart Tobi has 6 brats and not only 3, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Uchiha Izuna Lives, Training, Mischief, Humor, POV Alternating Series: Part 5 of Founders Week 2022 Summary:
“Train my team while I’m gone on my mission,” he said. “It’ll be fun,” he said.
As soon as Tobirama comes back from that mission, Izuna and Touka will kill him with nothing but their bare hands for the literal hell he dragged them through.
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Day 4 of @foundersweek: Team Tobirama & Bells
#may writes#foundersweek2022#senju touka x uchiha izuna#(idk what their ship name is??)#team tobirama#akimichi torifu & mitokado homura & sarutobi hiruzen & shimura danzou & uchiha kagami & utatane koharu
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SURPRISE i also wrote this although it was runner up in the milestone poll
warnings: onsided danzo/kagami, guys being dudes behaviour, differing beauty standards, culture clash, slight skinny shaming in a joking way among friends
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The first time Danzo really understands the power of the sharingan is on a mission where he believes he is about to die. Uchiha Kagami flashsteps to the middle of the melee and their enemies simply drop in a thud and clatter of weapons and armour. There is not a single scratch on him, the figure he cuts in the moonlight is dark and victorious.
For a single moment when he looks up, there is a flash of red and Danzo's world spins, but then Kagami averts his eyes and it feels like the gods of calamity have passed him by.
Danzo has never seen anything so beautiful.
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"Why do I have to light a fire manually when we have a fire specialist on the team?" Danzo asks, frustrated, throwing the sticks down and shaking out his numb hands. The ember he had managed to make splutters and dies.
"You're the one who's cold," Torifu answers, making no move to help. It's true, with Torifu's size and Kagami's fire nature, Danzo is usually the one who breaks first and needs a fire.
"And you didn't ask," Kagami adds and he's not wrong, so Danzo can't complain. He doesn't bother standing, he just leans across Danzo, his chest resting partially on Danzo's lap, to blow into the firewood. Danzo freezes, but Kagami does not seem to notice. His armour is warm with his body heat where it presses into Danzo's leg.
At first, Kagami just blows heated air, lips puckered and cheeks puffing out. His chest heaves against Danzo, several times as the kindling is wet from the rain, but then a bright flare illuminates his face as he blows a small fireball into the now-dry wood. It catches immediately, and Danzo sighs in relief as the warmth quickly spreads. He holds his hands up to the fire.
"Didn't realise you were that cold," Kagami explains apologetically, sitting back up and looking at Danzo with his huge dark eyes.
"It's fine," Danzo says, glad that the cold and now the fire excuses his flushed face. "I am aware you run hot."
"All the better to keep you warm at night," Torifu quips.
For a moment Danzo fears that he's been discovered, but Kagami just laughs and Torifu grins.
"I'll have to remember that one," Kagami says.
"I can't take credit," Torifu admits. "The girl at the teahouse was asking about you."
A pang of jealousy rears behind Danzo's sternum, and he quashes it immediately.
"Me?" Kagami asks disbelievingly. "Danzo is more handsome."
Danzo chokes on nothing.
"You're joking," he says.
"It's true," Kagami insists.
"No, no, I'm with Danzo on this," Torifu refutes. "You're small but you've got a really good face."
"I'm not that small!" Kagami protests.
"Look," Torifu lifts up his wrist and tries to close the fingers of his other hand around it. There is a good inch separating the tip of his middle finger from his thumb. "Do that."
Kagami follows. His thumb and middle finger touch, maybe even slightly overlap.
"You're an itty bitty skinny boy," Torifu says, visibly trying not to laugh as he speaks. "And—pfft— and a girl from my clan would pick you up and put you in her purse instead of her bed."
Clearly fighting a losing battle, Kagami turns to Danzo, eyes imploring. Danzo turns the backs of his hands to the fire and closes one hand around the other wrist. His finger and thumb are a sliver away from touching.
"My fingers are just longer," Kagami excuses.
He reaches out to hold Danzo's wrist, moving slow and clearly telegraphing his intent, meeting Danzo's gaze for a split second for permission. His fingers close and his middle finger and thumb touch over Danzo’s pulse. His grip is firm, there’s more strength in his hand that he’s not using here, calluses from shinobi work, and his palm is hot on Danzo’s skin.
“See?” Kagami says to Torifu, seemingly not noticing the jump in Danzo’s pulse.
Danzo flexes his wrist and breaks the hold, twisting round to catch Kagami’s wrist. Kagami lets him, hand loose and trusting as Danzo’s fingers close around his wrist. The thin skin there shows the pulse, the tendons, the veins; everything that would allow him to permanently disable the most valuable instruments of their trade. The decadence is overwhelming, and he wants so badly to press his lips to Kagami’s pulse there, but instead he just moves his hold to show that his middle finger and thumb touch.
“All you’re proving is that both of you are skinny boys,” Torifu says, shaking his head. He tosses some sweet potatoes to the ground right next to them. “Put those in the fire, will you?”
With some reluctance, Danzo lets go of Kagami’s wrist. Kagami misunderstands the reluctance. He sighs and leans his shoulder against Danzo’s as a joking, consoling half-hug.
“At least we have each other,” he says in an exaggerated mournful tone. He sits back up before Danzo can respond, and starts helping to arrange the potatoes in the ashes.
“I still think Danzo is more handsome though,” Kagami says conversationally as he dusts his hands off. Danzo shakes his head slightly. “Out of the three of us.”
“I hate to accuse an Uchiha of bad vision–” Torifu starts and Kagami tosses a stray pebble at him. He dodges easily, and laughs.
“He’s got a good eye shape,” Kagami argues. “Mine turn down at the outer edges and you've got no double eyelids. Also the colour is cool, have you seen when they catch the morning light at an angle? They're gold."
Danzo clears his throat, trying to ignore the embarrassment burning up his neck at the compliments.
“Face scar,” he points out, dusting his own hands off as well. “It puts most people off, especially civilians.”
“Huh,” Torifu comments. "I didn't know civilians were your type.”
"I didn't know civilians were put off by it," Kagami says thoughtfully. "I don't think anyone in my clan would be." He turns to Danzo and smiles. "Want to marry in?"
Danzo has a sudden vision of Kagami in a groom's kimono, the formal blacks and greys and white complementing his black hair and fair skin, the only colour his lips, or the blazing red of his sharingan. He swallows discreetly.
"To you?" Danzo asks, trying very hard for casual but coming off a bit more as surprised, all while his heart hammers in his chest and he can't tear his thoughts away from that image.
His teammates think he's joking, and break into laughter. Even though it is what he intended, to see Kagami laugh at the notion stings a little. He tucks that away, and smiles as if the joke landed well.
"Hey, what about me?" Torifu asks.
"Aren't you main house?" Kagami asks, slightly breathless from trying not to laugh.
"Yeah but there are eight people in line for succession before me."
"Akimichi main house marrying out to a clan you already have an alliance with?" Danzo asks, eyebrow raised sceptically.
"Yeah," Kagami agrees readily, an easy smile on his handsome features. "It’s all hypothetical, but we still have to be realistic."
"It could be real for Danzo," Torifu points out.
"What?" Danzo didn't squeak, but it was close, his voice strangling itself in shock, the word leaving his lips before he could stop himself.
"You're the only one not engaged," Kagami replies and it feels like the earth drops out from under Danzo, but he hasn't started falling yet.
"You are—?" Danzo asks. Kagami blinks his big dark eyes in confusion and looks over to Torifu, whose brow is also furrowed.
"Yeah?" Torifu answers. "I thought we talked about it before, but maybe you’d gone to piss or something. I've been matched with a shipping merchant's daughter since I was like six."
That Danzo had already known. Instead he silently looks to Kagami, who nods.
"Mine was always going to be in-clan," Kagami confirms. "I only knew who exactly a couple of weeks ago, though, which is why it came up."
Of all the possible information gaps, this one blindsiding Danzo makes it worse somehow. He needs better information. He needs Kagami to stop smiling at him, tentative and expectant, cute and shy, with no idea how it twists the knife.
"Congratulations," Danzo says, the word like poison on his tongue. He looks away, looks for any excuse to change the subject, and looks into the fire and ashes. He fumbles for a kunai in his pouch, and stabs one of the sweet potatoes. The skin splits easily on the blade, and the kunai goes all the way through. "I think the food is ready, by the way. Shall we eat?"
That is enough distraction for them, if not himself.
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brainworms of the danzo kagami akimichi team just hanging out and chatting about girls and marriage but danzo is secretly crushing on kagami (onesided) and is getting wrecked by
kagami casually saying that danzo is handsome and eligible
getting to hold kagami's wrist (they were all comparing build)
kagami jokingly asking danzo if he'd like to marry into the uchiha clan
a reveal that kagami is already matched to another Uchiha
@craneace please take your worms away from me
#i dont even know what to tag them as#shimura danzo#uchiha kagami#akimichi torifu#made in denialcity#watch me colonise every named character that was only mentioned with a 2s appearance#ill post this on ao3 soon
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Only a day late, I was lost in Paldea 😅 Tobirama has a lot of sweet talk to do and convice a certain Uchiha of his good will. Surprisingly nothing explodes. Yet.
"But you'll listen to complaints about your wolf, won't you?" interjected Shikaku. Immediately Ōkami raised her head and straightened her ears. "What do you mean his wolf? He's my cub and I don't belong to anyone." "Oh, Shikaku-san, now you've put your foot in it big time," Torifu was amused. Shikaku looked miffed. "The deer in the Nara forest are sacred to us and we really don't like to see them hunted for pure pleasure." "Only I don't hunt for pure pleasure," Ōkami pointed out flippantly. "After all, I have to live on something too. And the game population cannot be left unchecked either. Do I have to explain what enormous damage deer can do by gnawing the bark off trees? I thought humans knew such things." Shikaku looked indignantly at Tobirama, but he raised his hands defensively. "Where she is right ..."
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Rating: Mature Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Namikaze Minato/Senju Tobirama, Namikaze Minato/Uzumaki Kushina, Hatake Kakashi & Senju Tobirama, Namikaze Minato & Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi & Namikaze Minato Characters: Senju Tobirama, Namikaze Minato, Hatake Kakashi, Original Characters, Sarutobi Hiruzen, Shimura Danzou, Uzumaki Kushina, Uchiha Shisui, Uzumaki Naruto, Akimichi Torifu, Tsunade (Naruto), Uchiha Itachi, Jiraiya (Naruto) Additional Tags: Long, Queerplatonic Relationships, Bisexuality, Aromantic, Asexuality, Trans Male Character, Trans Hatake Kakashi, Falling In Love, Strangers to Lovers, Family, Loss, Grief/Mourning, Sad with a Happy Ending, Happy Ending, tho first it's going to be, Sad, Time Travel, Time Travel Fix-It, Slow Burn, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Rare Pairings, Minor Character Death, No Smut, Asexual Senju Tobirama, Aromantic Senju Tobirama, disaster bi Minato, Namikaze Minato Lives, Hokage Namikaze Minato, Dark Namikaze Minato Series: Part 1 of TobiMina timetravel AU Summary:
On the verge of death, Tobirama uses his new Hiraishin seal. It is no more than a makeshift solution, a prototype that is not yet meant to be used. Nevertheless it works, he escapes from his enemies and finds himself in Konoha the next moment ... a Konoha, however, that has aged forty years. His former student Hiruzen has stepped down as Hokage and meanwhile Namikaze Minato wears the hat. Tobirama now has to find his way around a village in which much has changed almost beyond recognition and in whose shadows dark secrets have taken root.
Next update: 13 January
#my writing#underneath the silence#tobimina#tobirama#minato#kakashi#fugaku#torifu#shikaku#choza#inoichi#tsunade
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I have so many thoughts about Senju Tobirama. so many.
He's albino, so his eyesight sucks ass and that's the main reason his chakra sensing is so highly developed.
He's like Toph but with water, and also able to see coloured blurry blobs.
Bright light hurts his eyes and can cause migraines.
He gets sunburned so SO easily, and his skin is sensitive to certain materials.
Only has half-siblings because Butsuma was not very loyal to his actual wife, but it was ignored so long as Butsuma brought them into the family.
Altogether Butsuma had eight kids; Hashirama (the only actual legitimate child & full-blood Senju), Tobirama and Kawarama (half-Hatake fraternal twins), Itama (non-clan civilian mother), Ichigo (half-Uzumaki half-Hatake mother), Sado (Senju mother), Karin (civilian Nara mother), and Yuzu (Shiranui mother).
Ichigo is two years older than Hashirama and Sado, and Itama, Karin, and Yuzu are all the same age.
Ichigo was able to take Sado, Yuzu, and Karin to Uzushio to keep them safe but Butsuma caught on and almost cut his head off when he tried to take Itama.
Tobirama is autistic. He is so autistic, trust me bro. He sucks at expressing and identifying emotions (both his and others), and it doesn't help that he has resting bitch face. Anyways, it's because he's autistic that he's practically immune to genjutsu bc his brain is wired differently.
Sometimes, he just gotta scream, or just make noise.
Hashirama has and will grow cotton specifically for Tobirama because he thinks it's a Good Texure. His clothes are soft cotton, his blanket is soft cotton, his futon is soft cotton, every cloth piece is soft cotton because it's a very easy gift for holidays because it's very well known.
Hated shoes as a toddler, and absolutely refused to wear them. he still prefers to walk around barefoot if he can get away with it.
His armor is actually heavier than normal Senju armor bc he likes the weight, it's calming, like his dry bean weighted blanket that Sado and Hashirama made him.
Uses his fur mantle as Good Texure, and will fiddle with it and tug on it if he feels safe. Torifu and Kagami find this very charming.
Will only ever write with chakra-infused ink because that's the only way he can read, through his sensing.
Has, on more than one occasion, told someone to shut up even though they weren't talking, because they were thinking so much it was affecting their chakra, which came across as 'noisy' to Tobi's senses.
Could not feasibly live alone, it would be too quiet to his senses and drive him insane. Once Hashi and Mito get married he moves in with Touka.
Suiton natured, he's figured out how to boil and freeze water by adding and removing energy, which entirely changed the games he could play. with that chakric law broken, he starts breaking more because "why not?"
He then figured out how to: mummify a body by sucking all the moisture out of them, drown someone on land by directing fluid to their lungs, boil someone from the inside out, turn someone into a pincushion by freezing their blood, and tear the blood out of someone's body. the only prerequisite to any of these techniques is to touch the target and create a "backdoor" for his chakra to enter their body.
#senju tobirama#tobirama#tobirama senju#senju hashirama#hashirama#hashirama senju#senju touka#touka senju#senju clan#naruto#konoha founders#konoha#naruto headcanons#tobirama headcanons#warring states era#warring states period#naruto founders#autistic characters#autistic senju tobirama#grim is thinking#hatake clan
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I love Naruto lore. The misconception about Danzō being on Tobirama’s team comes from him being on the military team in the first war.
HOWEVER. Danzō, Torifu and Kagami don’t call Tobirama sensei. Other than messiness with Torifu’s age, there are implications that at least Kagami and Danzō were long time team mates.
I believe their sensei was someone else but they died/were not present when the two teams fought together in the flashback we see.
Anon is referencing this post.
Maybe they think it's a retcon because Hiruzen and Danzo have such a close relationship in flashbacks that people assume they must have been on a Genin team? Or they are making up lore in their heads of Genin teams once having consisted of four or more Genin until it got changed to three (and that, for some reason, Danzo just didn't appear in Hiruzen's memories when remembering his team). But aside from that, you are correct about it being a misconception.
It stands to reason that they were on good terms (otherwise, Tobirama wouldn't have made him part of his unit or considered him for the position of Hokage) but the idea that Tobirama was his Genin teacher is essentially made up. And even then, we don't know how Tobirama would've felt toward Danzo after knowing all the crap he pulled - Or, actually, we sort of know because Tobirama seems completely unfazed about Sasuke killing Danzo. Also, Tobirama has repeatedly criticized Danzo for being irrational and warned him not to place his comrades in danger (you know, which is a thing Danzo is doing constantly).
The implications about Danzo's and Kagami's relationship are from Anime Filler Episodes. In Shippuden episode #358, Danzo explains that Kagami oftentimes saved him from danger. And in episode #369, we see Kagami attending the Ninja Academy alongside Hiruzen and Danzo. Some people don't view Fillers as canon, but it is an interesting detail regardless.
One of my personal headcanons is that Danzo and Kagami may have been on a Genin team together. They later remained on a team (as is often the case with old Genin comrades) until Kagami died and Danzo stole his eye out of opportunity and jealousy. That would've made him acquire a taste. This is what I interpreted into episode #358 anyway and explains where Danzo got the Sharingan from. Also, it's sort of tragic irony because that means Kagami's stolen eye would later be used to steal his descendant's eye.
Another theory I have is that Danzo did not steal Kagami's eye but that because of his jealousy, he became obsessed with stealing the Sharingan of one of his descendants. This plays into yet another headcanon of mine, which is that Mangekyo abilities (and maybe patterns as well) are hereditary to a degree. In other words, Kagami had the Kotoamatsukami before Shisui and Danzo knew exactly what the jutsu was capable of, hence obsessing over it.
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Considering that Kagami was just a plot device to show that Tobirama is a good person (which didn't help at all lmao) I would like to express a couple of my headcanons to add some personality to this guy.
Kagami was the first to breed crows in the Uchiha clan, he loved to make birdhouses and feeders for them for the winter;
Kagami was good friends with Torifu Akimichi, and got along better with him than anyone in the escort squad. They had been best friends since the academy;
Torifu and Kagami were called two sheep at the academy, due to Torifu's weight and Kagami's curls. Hiruzen stood up for them, and this deceived Kagami's perception for years into believing Sarutobi to be a good person;
Torifu was fed to Kagami's crows when he died;
Kagami often separated Hiruzen and Danzo when they fought and complained about them to Tobirama. They didn't have a very good relationship;
Kagami was Izuna's ancestor, but from his youngest son, so he is quite far from the place of the head of the clan;
Sometimes Tobirama took Kagami fishing, but Kagami liked fishing alone more than with others (not out of personal dislike, he respected Tobirama, he just liked silence more);
Kagami specialized in genjutsu;
Kagami's favorite food was nikujaga (vegetable stew with chicken)
Kagami's favorite genre of books is fantasy;
He wanted to become Hokage, but realizing that this was not a very nice cause, he decided to better become a jounin sensei;
Kagami wants to become a jounin sensei when he turns 30, but he doesn't have time;
Kagami's wife was a chronicler;
Kagami's child's name was Kotori;
Kagami was afraid of dogs and therefore did not make contact with the Inuzuka;
Kagami doesn't eat eggs because his crows are side eyes him.
#Kagami#Kagami Uchiha#Pro Kagami#I love him so much#“Kotori” means a little bird if the translator didn’t deceive me
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imo hiruzen didn't really believe he'd survive; he said that to boost danzou's morale. the manga shows us first hiruzen's determination to play the role of decoy, and then after danzou has a visibly shocked reaction, hiruzen turns first to his teammates, and then to danzou to reassure them. those panels are the only two times anyone smiles at all in that scene. in spite of what he says to koharu and homura, he asks danzou to take care of everyone and tells him he trusts him
i think this reflects hiruzen's character throughout the story in general - in part one, while he was alive, we're shown a man who tries to live up to the promise of konoha as the nicest village, but in shippuden we learn that no matter his attempted idealism, he wasn't able to truly be that person. he smiles and tries to provide comfort but he fails to address the root (heehee) of the problem
in the flashback scene specifically, his words to try and improve danzou's morale actually only make danzou feel worse. bc much like hiruzen, danzou believes it's his duty as a shinobi to sacrifice himsef. but while hiruzen is able to accept a situation likely to result in his death, danzou isn't. he believes he should, but he isn't ready to die. and he hates himself for that. it's true that hiruzen isn't really seeking death (was mostly kidding there) but it's something he's able to accept without much difficulty. danzou isn't. he's afraid to die.
that's my take on it, anyway
I think one of the main reasons Konoha failed so dramatically was because they built their economy on shinobi work and wars. They had to continue conflict so they could sustain themselves.
The second great ninja war was a war of aggression launched by Konoha for this very purpose. There was no reason to fight other than to destabilize surrounding establishments.
That and Hiruzen was the absolute worst choice for Hokage ever. WTF were you thinking Tobirama.
#naruto#naruto shippuden#sarutobi hiruzen#shimura danzou#having said that i wouldn't really call it a test?#torifu says ''whoever does this is probably screwed'' and tobirama didn't say anything#admittedly tobirama himself isn't actually all that relevant to the scene imo. not bc he could've been swapped out or anything#just that. it wasn't about him. it was about danzou and his relationship with hiruzen and how he became who he became#volume 51 was what made me like danzou as a character tbh#like obviously he's a horrible person but i didn't really understand him until then. he just felt like a Generic Evil Jerk Guy#which. he is sort of. but i think his character was handled very well#it was a very fitting end#he was only able to stop fearing death when it was already happening#he became able to sacrifice himself for (what he believed to be) a greater cause bc he was already dying#he's easily one of the least sympathetic antagonists in the entire series but i kinda like that about him#i think it's a good conclusion to his character arc that he died the same way hiruzen did:#giving a life he would've lost anyway to do as much damage to the enemies of the village as he could#and ultimately not actually accomplishing all that much in the long run by doing so#having said that the amount of characters in naruto who either actively want to die or who are a bit too eager to throw their life away...#yeesh#everybody in this series is tripping ass over dick to get themselves killed#childsoldierlandia
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OC & Canon Connections:
Kuroba Senju is the great grandmother of both Maito Gai and Izumi Hirawa (Uchiha); making Gai and Izumi cousins. Umeko Uzumaki is the great grandmother of Mukuri Tarakida and the great grandaunt of Hanako Uzumaki. Kanae Kogane and Iyoko Yamanaka are cousins; their grandfather is Torifu Akimichi. Iyoko is also the cousin of Ino Yamanaka. Hinata and Hanabi’s mother is Shinju Hyuuga’s cousin. Zanka Haruno is the older sister of Sakura Haruno. Bijin Yuuhi is the cousin of Kurenai Yuuhi; Bijin is also the cousin of Momoko Kousaku. Maito Gai and Hanako Uzumaki are a couple.
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