#THIS IS CALLED VICTIM-BLAMING
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Wow, really, Tony Stans like @kahuna-burger love to ignore and twist well known facts in order to try to excuse Tony's homicidal impulses. Why am I not surprised… I'll add my two cents to disprove this preposterous lie.
That he had carried out dozens of missions for Hydra that would have required the ability to plan and adapt over the years.
TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT. All the orders HYDRA forced Bucky's body to fulfill under mind control (yes, Bucky's body, because HYDRA literally fried his brain over and over again until there was nothing left of what made him himself) were simple missions, assassinations and only one confirmed extraction mission, tasks that did NOT require complex reasoning, such as infiltration, espionage, ect, as Clint did under Loki's control, serving as an advisor to him to accomplish his plans. And btw that has NEVER been proof to say that Clint was in control of his actions. And literally Tony NEVER held him accountable for that.
It's literally canon that Bucky has irreparable brain damage due to decades of ETC, and that's why the missions he was assigned were relatively simple and did NOT require any kind of deep thinking.
The Winter Soldier couldn't even reason out Pierce's sarcastic question about whether he wanted milk, much less is he going to be able to plan military strategies that require complex reasoning, like Clint did for Loki.
That he apparently had the ability NOT to follow orders if it was important enough to him.
FALSE. That as the Winter Soldier, Bucky did NOT have the remotest control over his actions is an undeniable fact that Tony and literally everyone knew. That has been made clear in a plethora of canon books.


Literally the only time the Winter Soldier didn't follow an order was when thanks to Steve, he retrieved a small fragment of his memories which gave him back his autonomy for the first time in 70 years. For it is only an outside emotional stimulus from his past life that could help him to bring a glimpse of his memories to the surface, that is, a part of himself as a person to the surface and as a consequence he could regain his agency. And literally the only outside stimulus from his past life he had left was Steve, so before him, Bucky had no outside help of any kind that could stimulate the recovery of his memories and thus regain his autonomy, redundancy notwithstanding.
That he used lethal force on law enforcement and random civilians in defense of his own freedom before Zemo showed up.
FALSE. you mean the tactical team who were committing a crime by following the order to shoot on sight, which is literally illegal as it is a direct violation of human rights, and who were also negligent in skipping the rule of using a verbal warning for Bucky to surrender to authority before they used lethal force? It is the tactical team who were negligently using deadly force. Bucky only acted in self-defense with non-lethal force. And it's non-lethal because there was literally not a single casualty of the agents who were sent to mercilessly kill him. Literally the Marvel site confirms that Bucky kept his promise not to kill anyone.
Getting hit by a brick could prove deadly in real life, but this is fiction, and if the plot says that a normal person can survive a nuclear blast, then they does. So NO, Bucky did not use lethal force, otherwise there would have been confirmed casualties and this is literally NOT the case.
That when they met in Siberia he was holding a gun on Tony right up until he decided that a known superhero wasn't gonna like, hold him legally responsible for his actions or anything crazy like that.
FALSE AND LACKING CONTEXT. Bucky raised his gun as well as Steve the shield thinking they were going to face Zemo and the other Winter Soldiers. They stood guard after Tony came in, for as @legalandnotease said, the last Bucky heard from Tony is that he wanted to arrest them and most likely allow T'Challa to kill him. Bucky doesn't know and hasn't worked with Tony enough to know if he's trustworthy or not, so of course he's only going to go by Steve's opinion as to whether Tony is on their side or not.
And by the way, despite having his gun raised, Bucky was NOT pointing it at Tony's head, in fact, he was pointing it a considerable distance above his head. It is enough to draw a straight line from the barrel to know where it is pointing.
Bucky is in effect, a victim of mind control, having his identity, his memory, his agency and his literal ability to control his actions, and always acting against his will. This is literally what we have seen since CA:TWS on. And literally the production confirmed it in several of their canonical books more than once.
This is NOT woobification, it is defending from disgusting victim-blaming a victim who was stripped of his agency for 70 years and who unlike any other victim of mind control, is the only one who has been held accountable for what this situation.
To woobify is to try to excuse the homicidal impulses of someone who knows perfectly well that under mind control, no one is responsible for his actions. Tony committed attempted murder. He literally committed a crime for which he should have faced charges. He acted out of vengeance and malice to want to hurt Steve by hurting Bucky. And no matter from what moral or legal perspective you want to view this low and less than honorable act, there is NO justification for it.
I always see Anti-Team Cap and Pro-Tony discuss how Tony attacking Bucky and Steve was justified and made sense, and yes, I totally agree with them, and regardless of the fact that Tony attacked Steve first because Steve was the one who lied and betrayed him, there is one thing that I haven’t seen be discussed much.
And it’s this scene right here:
Look at Tony’s face. Look at the shock and fear.
Bucky had no way of knowing that Tony could have protected himself, and he aimed right at Tony’s head. Look at the proximity of the weapon to Tony’s face. He could��ve blown his mind clear off if Tony wasn’t fast enough.
Tony had absolutely no way of knowing that Bucky “had changed” when literally just what? Days? Hours? Moments? ago, he could’ve died at Bucky’s hands.
That’s all I have to say.
#tony stan brain rot is real#it is truly disturbing that there are still people who try to justify the murder of an innocent person#and it turns out that it is the victim himself who is responsible for this#THIS IS CALLED VICTIM-BLAMING#AND IT IS NOT RIGHT IN THE REMOTEST SENSE#Bucky is the real victim here#not Tony#he is the aggressor#anti tony stans#anti tony stark#anti victim-blaming
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None of our hands are clean
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#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#jin guangshan#mianmian#The secret meaning behind one of the jin members scuttling off is:#I couldn't make three people work out in the remaining panels and per my rule of '3 attempts and take a different approach' he had to go.#Sometimes there are meaningful reasons why something happens in the background. And sometimes it is like this.#Let's just say he saw what was about to happen and got out of there before mianmian started throwing hands.#Okay no more delay. The sheer boldness to call WWX a killer in a room full of people who wear their war body count as a badge...#It's about hypocrisy yes - but it is also about how the narrative shifts on the same action depending on the frame.#Because at the end of the day...the blood on our hands is still blood on our hands.#Both the deaths on the battlefield and the deaths of the Jin's abusing the Wen remnants are still deaths caused by another.#They are also deaths that - depending who holds the frame - are noble acts to protect others.#But it isn't supposed to be about who was right and who was wrong.#It is about the need to be seen as the victim to avoid culpability.#Because if you aren't responsible you don't have to be held accountable. You don't have to grow or change.#If someone takes all the blame then there is no need to reflect on your own faults.#We have to protect our fragile ego from the mirror lest it shatter and we have to remake it anew.#Horrifically enough...even if WWX spared the Jin guards or even never ran into Wen Qing#He wouldn't have been able to escape being the scapegoat. He downfall was set into motion a long time ago.#My goodness...What a deliciously tragic story Wei Wuxian's first life was.
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People see a male abuse victim in the media, can't comprehend it, and turn him into an abuser. This world is a prison.
#curly and anya are both victims#yeah curly is to blame for not taking action but calling him an abuser is a DISGUSTING take#Idk whats going on with the twt fandom but i saw this take today and im???#“curly was perfectly capable of r//ping Anya” are you fr#you cant seriously think thats the plot#its...????????????????#“Curly was the abuser” - oh ok i need to block you immediately ok#i got beef with all the 'curly abuses jimmy' aus as well i hate them more than talking to my brother about politics genuinely#mouthwashing#curly mouthwashing
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‘Severus didn’t care if Lily’s husband was killed—he wasn’t worried about her; he just wanted to get the girl at all costs.’
Correction: Severus couldn’t care less if the rich brat who harassed, stalked, and tormented him for seven years of his life—a privileged, possessive jerk who couldn’t stand the idea of the girl he liked having a friend who didn’t fit his idea of ‘proper masculinity’ and who was an easy target because of his looks and social class—was killed. Because no victim is required to care about what happens to their abuser. Expecting Severus to have empathy for someone who reduced him to a ‘thing’ to take out his personal frustrations on is like asking a woman who was assaulted to feel sorry for her attacker. And for the record, Severus hadn’t spoken to Lily in six years; all he wanted was to make sure she wasn’t killed.
#stop the victim blaming please#he owed him NOTHING#idk james potter was better died#anti james potter shoud be called anti classist rich dicks#severus snape#pro severus snape#pro snape#james potter#severus snape defense#severus snape fandom#lily evans#severus snape meta#snape defense#snapedom
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Criminal Minds | 7.01 It Takes a Village
#criminal minds#criminalmindsedit#criminalmindsverse#proceduraledit#emily prentiss#emilyprentissedit#cmverse#cmverseedit#tvedit#filmtvcentral#dailyflicks#aaron hotchner#aaronhotchneredit#derek morgan#derekmorganedit#hotchniss#hotchnissedit#mine#edit#*#scene*#otp: you seem to do ok#otp: it was seven months of hell#this is honestly one of my fave small hotchniss moments#i love that he immediately puts his foot down on anyone directing blame at emily and then follows up on that here to shut it down#calls derek out on centering his own feelings because he knows how much morgan cares about emily (and vice versa)#and he pushes that to the focus pushes EMILY to the focus. he and derek have (will always have) issues but this needs to be about HER.#(this is also just a great hotch moment in general because it's another instance of him proving that he does not have an ego#so many people assume he does and make comments about him climbing the ladder and being ambitious but it's NEVER backed up by his actions#he always always always puts other people (especially victims) above his own interests and refocuses the conversation and it's soooo good)
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Bro what??? 😭
"I don't wanna be held accountable for something I did, so I'm gonna blame everything on you guys" ahh post.
You mean to tell me that because you got banned for harassing, sending gore to people, calling us ableist slurs, victim blaming and twisting the narrative, WE'RE the problem...?
Yeah, okay, whatever...
@starcrezt
@valentine--x
@hunternocedasgf
@rainbow-starheart
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Rereading wmmap for the hell of it and things that further add evidence onto novel Ijekiel’s behavior towards Jennette being a result of HIS OWN expectations he held himself to, when Athy/Lee Jihye falls into him for their first meeting, and then hides because Roger approaches. Roger then talks to a young Ijekiel, and Ijekiel says how he was looking for Jennette because Jennette got upset and ran out of the mansion due to hearing about Ijekiel studying abroad.
BUT THEN. Roger tells Ijekiel that he doesn’t need to deal with Jennette’s tantrums! Because though Jennette is important, Roger tells Ijekiel that he holds Ijekiel more important than her! Ijekiel knew then—from a childhood age that he never needed to look after Jennette or obey her requests. Roger never held that expectation on him. The only one holding him to the responsibility of ‘looking after Jennette’ was Ijekiel himself! It became such a thing that he bound himself to, so much so he dreaded it though no one but he wanted such, not even Jennette herself! Yet he dared, dared to push and blame that on her, that it was her fault and her selfishness that crushed him and made him resent her so—but it was himself all along! He was never actually bound to her, never actually pressured into taking care of or obeying her. It was a role he forced himself into taking, and blamed Jennette for the moment his resentment and jealousy bottled up and bursted!
#who made me a princess#wmmap#suddenly became a princess one day#sbapod#novel ijekiel#wmmap ijekiel#sbapod ijekiel#syl tea#wmmap novel#me ecrashing out verytime I think about novel Ijekiel#him acting like he was suffering and being tormented so much for so long#only for it to turn out that no one put any actual pressure on him#and he’s still the most privileged and eligible bachelor in the empire#Roger telling him straight up he never has to deal with Jennette#Jennette never tells him he has to be forced to deal with her#but then he gets up in his own emotions and gets upset about how he had to always deal with her#like huh??? no one wanted this#no one wanted you to deal with her#no one expected for you to deal with her#the only one who bound you to Jennette was you#and then you blamed her for it#like its comedic#he dared to blame Jennette and call her spoiled with everything#yet he received every luxury Jennette did and more#he got to expand his wings and see the world. meet and encounter different like-minded people. socialize freely.#all while taking pleasure in his right as the Duke’s sole heir#and he got upset at Jennette#because she couldn’t freely have access to this stuff without asking him to accompany or help her#that he never needed to personally deal with and could always reject without repercussions#how am I supposed to believe he’s the victim here? should I feel pity for this man? because I don’t.
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will NEVER agree with blaming ford for stan getting kicked out
how does a child in a high stress situation whos still living in his abusive dads house get assigned more responsibility than their mom? like there was a whole other parent present
#not that im blaming caryn vut i dont think we know enough about her to just assign her a saint#ford was a full ass child he was not at fault even a little bit idc#like he could have called after obv but the thought that ford had any authority in their house just bc filbrick saw he could make money#is wild#i think u guys r just making up reasons for stan to be a victim ngl#stanford pines#filbrick pines#caryn pines#gravity falls#srry for being so negative the famdom is just pissing me tf off😭
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the way they would’ve gotten everything wrong with this game lol
#eltingville club#welcome to eltingville#evc#ev club#jerry would victimized curly and quickly blame anya for not telling swansea nor daisuke#bill would’ve been annoyed by anya and would’ve called daisuke a slur#pete would 100% be ok jimmy’s side and would’ve extremely despise anya being in full disposition of her death#bill would kin jimmy and would’ve also despise anya and start victim blaming her
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Imagine a guy spends 7 years of your life physically and mentally abusing you, making your life hell along with his 3 friends because he doesn’t have the guts to do it alone, and one day you find him dead, and people expect you to feel sorry for him?? Like, what world do these people live in? They should be thankful I didn’t kill him myself lol.
#literally anyone#like what?#are you blaming a victim for don’t pity their agressor?#lol#of course snape didn’t care about him#i mean#who would do that?#snape#severus snape#pro snape#anti james potter#james potter#anti james potter shoud be called anti classist rich dicks#snape was actually very kind with him#i would have burn his body and throw up to the river
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"Oh no! There's a team of opposing players who are going to try to kill our team! We have to protect our team, even if that means killing players on the other team!"
Was I talking about In-ho's argument to fight "O" voting players in the S2 riot, or the tug-of-war game from S1?
#trick question#it's both!#squid game#squid game meta#yet more reason why gi hun was correct to shut in ho down in that scene#in ho wanted gi hun to kill other players#and he wanted gi hun to believe it was *his own choice*#classic victim blaming material right there#both seasons even tell us that the 'riot' is really just another game the game makers set them up to play#we learn in s2 they literally call it 'the special game'#in ho wanted to trick gi hun into playing a game where he'd kill another player and then convince himself he had no other choice#and gi hun said#fuck that actually#what if instead we killed the people who are forcing us to play these murder games at literal gunpoint instead?#and in ho wasn't disappointed that gi hun 'abandoned his morals' by trying to 'make a sacrifice for the greater good'#(because that's not actually what gi hun was doing)#in ho was disappointed that gi hun wasn't playing the game anymore
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So, in light of recent/current events- specifically on the topic of homonationalism, I'd like to bring your attention to this song that came out in 2018:
#rainbow drones#dog park dissidents#this has been on my mind in light of certain folks parroting that "palestine isn't LGBT friendly' to handwave their suffering#calling themselves “extremists” as a joke in regards to what's happening in russia#or just calling themselves “illegal” or “criminals” with pride#while being indifferent/an active menace to POC in the LGBT community#or victim blaming people in the southern part of the U.S. for the mistreatment they face from their government#ask yourself: do any of your black & brown counterparts feel safe around you?#Bandcamp#(this was scheduled for later this month but why wait any longer? Some of y'all need to hear this)
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ok new headcanon: what if marius didn’t come for amadeo because amadeo was such an enfant terrible that marius simply couldn’t handle him anymore and decided that an army camp satanic cult might straighten him out?
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// Utena spoilers and discourse, tw: rape, victim blaming
I just want to say that that person getting dunked on twitter passes off episode 33 as not assault bc it also doubles as narrative seduction and LIKE IT CAN BE BOTH IT CAN LITERALLY BE BOTH JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK ITS A METAPHOR FOR UTENA BEING PULLED FROM ANTHY DOESN'T MEAN SHE CONSENTED OR IT'S NOT ASSAULT!!! SYMBOLISM HAS TO SYMBOLIZE SOMETHING WHAT DO YOU THINK THE STOP SIGNS ARE FOR???
if the symbolism doesn't symbolize something then there's no story no plot you're not looking at a story. you're looking at Pinterest.
also how is a thing that literally happens on screen in the present and is constantly referenced afterward as a real thing that happened
only a "metaphor" and "narrative device" therefore it didn't literally happen and if it did literally happen it's not actually rape bc of the aforementioned (the logic is not logic-ing)
but an extremely anachronistic flashback (When it has been long established that childhood memory is unreliable in this show) where a mob bangs down the door of a shack to find a well-dressed prince and then shish kebabs a 6 year old (who survives)
is unrefutable proof that Actually Anthy is 1 quintillion years old so she should know and act better
???
hmmm could the confusing anachronistic flashback serve as a metaphor to show Anthy feeling like her pain is eternal, neverending, has been going on forever? could it be about the timeless nature of misogyny itself? no no, it can't be, it's only a metaphor when I can use it to claim statutory rape can be consensual! it's only a metaphor when it serves my contrarian theories I made up to feel smart without actually thinking about what I'm implying!
#revolutionary girl utena#rgu#tw: sa#tw: sa mention#I'm sorry to bring this up but it pissed me off so bad like you dont need to make a million theses on the show#All you have to do is not victim blame anthy its that easy shes 14 but people will do mental gymnastics to call HER the abuser#akio is right there if you want someone to blindly hate and not look at more deeply (although you should)#leave anthy and utena alone!!!#When anthy acts docile and subservient y'all hate her for “having no personality” cuz god forbid you blame the guy slapping her around#When she lashes out at people or does things at her abuser's behest you say shes an irredeemable witch#My girl literally cant win
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I'm not saying I support this person and I've been staying away from the drama but am I the only one that's honestly not surprised that rafe has fans with problematic or conservative political opinions??? this is literally the privileged homicidal white boy fandom??? he's textbook! I've been rattling his own political beliefs around in my brain for months writing this college fic and we don't know for sure where he sits. He's canonically classist. He's possibly racist and sexist. He's going to attract a wide range of fans.
#rafe cameron#I'm not victim blaming#I'm not excusing#but there's 9k+ people on here and he's an attractive white murderer#That's gonna attract some interesting folks#this fandom already had a tonne of red flags maybe a small implosion will be good#a wake up call that we're not all the same#personal
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It really is strange how Edelstans simultaneously dig hard into people that don't agree with their specific interpretation of 3H to the point of being happy they manage to drive those people away... and be so upset and baffled that people become generally disinterested/actively hostile towards 3H content.
If folks get repeatedly driven out of a fandom, and that group of people repeatedly calls anyone who disagrees with their specific interpretation of 3H stupid/illiterate/"acting in bad faith"/sexist/racist/homophobic/etc., and it is repeatedly done by a group of people who insist that 3H's fandom problem is a "both sides" thing, with all of this being dragged into spaces that have nothing to do with 3H, well... obviously people are then going to start to dislike interacting with either 3H in general or its fandom in particular?
Edelstans are the ones spreading the idea that 3H's fandom in totality is shit. They keep trying to make their hands look cleaner than they are by claiming that everyone else's hands are just dirty as/even dirtier than theirs. Of course people who are unaware of everything are going to then assume that everyone's hands are dirty, thus making people not exactly want to shake hands with anyone.
Like, really now. What did they think was going to happen when they directly go after fanartists/fanfic writers who create/say things that go against the Approved Edelstan Status Quo, to the point that a non-zero amount of these creators just up and leave social media entirely? Or after they nitpick every single Disapproved Post and then lie about the post's OP? Or after it becomes a consistent pattern that people who even remotely disagree with Edelstans' opinions are always, without fail, buried with insulting and harassing anons? Or after they're shown time and time again to defend their worst actors with "well their/our victims deserved it because they said a 3H opinion we didn't agree with"? Or when they say that everyone does this shit in 3H's fandom except for them (which is either not believed because it's demonstrably untrue or is actually believed and now those people think the overwhelming majority of 3H's fandom is filled with shit)? Or when they drag 3H discourse into literally actually everything no matter how unrelated?
That with less fandom creators within the fandom space they'd get more content? That harassing and insulting people and accusing them of being this-and-that bigot is going to magically "correct" their minds into seeing The One Truth about 3H? That people are going to just look over all the shit they did just because they allocate the blame of their action on all of 3H's fandom? That people would like 3H more if they constantly remind people of the inarguable worst thing to come from 3H? That this would help 3H's general perception?
Fuckin' no, of course that's just going to make everyone fuck off from 3H. And would you look at that, a shit ton of people have fucked off from 3H since everything has been swept under a "well it'sth a bolth thides ithue tho what can ya do?" rug. And it's been swept under that rug by pretty much the only people who are pulling this shit, who then get shocked - utterly gobsmacked! - that that made them look bad too. That crying "both sides!" included themselves too and not just the people they've been harassing. That saying that the entire fandom is bad everywhere made the entire fandom look bad everywhere.
If Edelstans are really so upset that no one talks about 3H positively anymore, then maybe they should stop being the reason no one likes 3H anymore. Just a thought
#edelgard discourse#just to be safe#like I'm sorry the other parts of the fandom are of course not perfect and should ALSO be called out when they pull shit#but NO ONE is as bad as Edelstans as a group (in 3H's fandom). like. objectively#I say this as someone who is ALSO sad to see 3H become such a heated topic:#it's honestly annoying as hell to see them bitch and moan about how nobody seems to want to talk about 3H anymore#cuz like I'm sorry you do NOT get to whine about people leaving your house after you forcefully pushed them out#like this is obviously what YOU wanted!! a fandom space that is bereft of anyone you disagree with!!#if that means that the fandom is way more empty of new art maybe that says something about YOU and the people YOU wanted to be around you#maybe no one likes y'all because y'all are insufferable and not because y'all like a certain set of pixels and lines on a screen. perhaps#''they hate us because we like Edelgard'' actually it's the harassment and open sexism and victim-blaming and superiority + victim complexe#the entitlement the refusal to ever admit you're wrong about literally anything the dogpiling#the never-ending need to remind people of discourse they want to move away from#and about a million other fuckin' things#simply stop being the problem you're complaining about
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