#StopVivziepop

[hatsampixie]

Blitzo is Vivziepop/Brandon Rodgers’s Velma, nuff said.

Not surprising, considering both characters and their creators spit BS without a filter.

[woomycritiques543]

Ok.

I cant beleive that im saying this but-

STOP TALKING ABOUT JUST HELLUVA BOSS!

-and from that I mean:

The show is awful beyond repair, and what we talk about now is just a repeat of what we’ve said before to the point of burnt out when we already know how this season ends.

The show has bad representation, we get the point. Move on.

-and number two.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE GETTING HURT RIGHT NOW AND ALL YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IS A CARTOON BIRD?!

Really, that’s what we’re going to do?

Whine about a cartoon bird being a creep while the creator in real life has been following a incest blog for over five years?! Not even mentioning the real life implications anymore but just a fictional character doing a bad thing? Not even representation and how it effects real people, but just going “WAAAA VIV’s DEPICTING INCEST IN A SHOW AND DIDN’T DO ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH REPRESENTATION IM TELLING MOM!!!” No, that doesn’t matter.

We already know how the show is going to end. We already know how S2 going to end and all of what needed to be said about the fictional characters has now been said.

When what is important is REPRESENTATION!

-and not just that, but helping those that worked on said cartoon that need our help because they’re being treated horribly- While most of us just sit there and whine about a cartoon character being evil, honestly, it’s becoming tiresome, we cant keep just making this about Helluva Boss anymore-

SPINDLEHORSE NEEDS OUR HELP! So many people are still at that studio and yet we’re still focusing on just the show and that’s not what’s needed at this point! We need to help with what’s happening IRL!

Vivzuepop isnt just transphobic, but also a literal ableist by calling depression “disingenuous” just because it isn’t obvious to her and literally called trans men and gnc “ashamed of being a woman” and a “trender!”

That’s horrible, and yet the fandom still tries to act as if this is somehow “normal” behavior for someone who claims to be a “trans ally” to have when it’s clear that she only shoves the transgender label onto characters that are on the storyboards, shoves them into the background, or erases them if they’re noticeable, when that just means that she doesn’t actually want to represent them, and with her outward transphobia, only did it for brownie points and to fetishize them for money while claiming that trans men are “ASHAMED OF BEING WOMEN AND ARE LOUD HARASSERS THAT WANT TO BE WHITE MEN!” when the “white” part is just a strawman argument to be transphobic.

In fact, everyone that Vivienne Medrano has hurt needs our help, and at this point, Helluva Boss is becoming a waste of moral time that could have been used to help someone in REAL LIFE! There’s so many of us, we can all do something if we combine our efforts instead of just getting angry on Tumblr about cartoon characters most of the time. But that’s it, we need to actually do something and go OUTSIDE OF TUMBLR to places that are more visible. So again- We need to have “#StopVivziepop” at least get close to trending. There are clearly enough of us, we just need to start doing it.

We need to get all that we have seen/learned, but it into a document, and post threads, along with interviews, etc. We need to make what’s wrong with what Vivziepop is doing known, while talking about the wrongs of the animation industry as a whole.

We cant just make this about the cartoon anymore!

We need to TAKE ACTION!

#STOPVIVZIEPOP

[melody-pearl]

We might be getting four seasons of HB though I don’t know how that’s gonna go due to there being a lot more criticism towards the show (mainly season 2) and each new HB episode getting less and less views 💀. How do you all feel about this?

[antivivziepopparade]

PLEASE! (Also hey sam it's me Raysquid!)

Ok so i saw a post mentioning how Spindlehorse was hiring animators again, and i thought "huh yknow im really curious what the turnover rate of animators is in this studio" because i mean its a genuine question considering how i swear theyre hiring new animators every other week

So then i checked IMDB...

Before i go on i wanna put some context because its kinda needed for what im about to say:

On IMDB there's a section of the cast and crew page labeled "Series Animation Department". This is the section meant primarily for animators and storyboarders among other jobs in the same vein.

Now. Can you guess how many animators/storyboarders Helluva Boss has gone through in less than 2 seasons?

444.

That is four hundred and forty-four individual credits, a majority of whom didn't stay for any longer than a few episodes. I have never in my life seen an animator turnover rate this skewed.

But i saw this and i went "well it cant be that bad right, what about other shows?" because admittedly i didnt know a lot about animation so for all i knew this was normal. So i went to the IMDB pages of other animated shows

RWBY: 164 credited animators over 9 seasons

Murder Drones: 11 Animators over 7 episodes

The Owl House: 88 Animators over 3 seasons

Amphibia: 73 over 3 seasons

Steven Universe: 44 over 5 seasons

And just to be fair let's include Hazbin Hotel, which had 62 in 1 season

This means that for one reason or another Helluva Boss has gone through more animators in less than 2 seasons than shows that ran for SIGNIFICANTLY longer go through in their entire lifespan by several times and that astounds me

[lol81788177]

went you fellow someone for than see this and what i can do more than

( " goes unfellow viv ")

Right... (TW PEDO LOLICON AND RAPE MENTION.)

"Viv is not a pedo."

Mhmm keep telling yourself that. She's a lolicon that's for sure.

I get that Brandon isnt a pedo but let's not act like Viv isnt the one who follows Zone Tan (someone who CONSTANTLY sexualizes minors) and is ok with lolicon.

Also, this blog ended up blocking me because they knew that I would mention all of this. Because of course they did.

LMAO! 😂

[woomycritiques543]

Sorry but to people who actually still love and praise vivziepop with no visible end, the fanbase CANNOT keep coddling her and worshipping her like she's the greatest thing in the universe. I've fallen out of love with Viv a long time ago. I won't lie and say that I didn't praise her because I did at some point back then but thankfully realized She's absolutely horrendous and needs to be held accountable for everything she's done and hasn't apologized for! I will join you and everyone else who stands up for what's right especially for LGBTQ+ people #STOPVIVZIEPOP #transrights

Well said.

She really needs to get her act together.

But I know that she wont, so at this point i'd be best if:

Something happened to Spindlehorse that caused it to disband. Which would be sad, but also very good since that would be a chance for these people to be able to look for studios that will treat them better instead. At least it's better than working with a literal transphobe who rushes her works to burnt out :(

A channel big enough to cause Vivziepop's actions to be noticed on a wide scale spoke out, causing the fandom to no longer be the forefront of the mainstream media's attention.

If worse comes to worst: A public protest, maybe at a con event can help? Not sure about this one, but it's an idea ive had for quite a long time. So take this one with a grain of salt.

Somehow creating another movement, this time for indie animators instead of mainly ones from bigger companies since many people still dont realize how bad that conditions of the indie animation industry is.

-and that's all of the ideas I have for now, trying my best to get through this, and I hope that my efforts will cause the situation to get more widespread notice. There is hope, so I will keep trying.

I also reccomend using other websites for this too, since just Tumblr and fandom specific tags wont be enough. We need to get this information out to the outskirts of the animation community, maybe Reddit and other Twitter tags could be a good choice.

Thank you.

#STOPVIVZIEPOP #transrights

[antivivziepopparade]

Right... (TW PEDO LOLICON AND RAPE MENTION.)

"Viv is not a pedo."

Mhmm keep telling yourself that. She's a lolicon that's for sure.

I get that Brandon isnt a pedo but let's not act like Viv isnt the one who follows Zone Tan (someone who CONSTANTLY sexualizes minors) and is ok with lolicon.

Also, this blog ended up blocking me because they knew that I would mention all of this. Because of course they did.

LMAO! 😂

Also, look at the reblogs below for more details about Vivziepop's history with lolicon. 👇🏾

[woomycritiques543]

THANK YOU!!!!

Finally someone else talking about REAL LIFE and not mostly just the damn cartoon!

The cartoon has enough feedback now, we need to focus MUCH more on the creators themselves, and how they’re treating people! I get having hobbies and all, but the people’s lack of balance between mentioning Spindlehorse’s behavior and the show is concerning as all hell. We need to spread the word on different websites and in different fandoms, places that are more closed in such as Tumblr or just using Hazbin tags isn’t going to help much for this kind of situation, we need to take this to Reddit, Youtube, Twitter!

We need to take action! Not “cancel culture drama fuel”- IMMEDIATE ACTION!

#StopVivziepop

This is the last time, I'm speaking about this fandom.

I've never seen a fandom that's incredibly two-faced and hypocritical as the Spindlehorse fandom. Mainly the vivaholics, the toxic stans. If the smallest bit of difference in opinions gets you angry, then that's just sad and pathetic. Even if the criticism is valid and genuine, they would throw a hissy fit over it. There's some people within the fandom who wants to see improvement and they get harassed for it. It's the new norm within the fandom at this point. Especially for the toxic fans, aka Vivaholics.

You could have victims of Spindlehorse speaking out with proof. What do the Vivaholics do? They immediately try to debunk it and make excuses to why their treatment is warranted in the first place. It's disgusting. They would scream "stop spreading misinformation", only to turn around and do the exact same thing. Even if the Vivaholics' rumors were already debunked. Even going as far as to spread rumors upon the victim to make them look bad for speaking out. They would excuse Viv's actions, even if she's completely in the wrong. Well-known Vivaholics on Twitter would turn a blind eye purposely as well. Going as far as to act like victims are causing drama. In reality, the stans cause uproars at the slightest bit of criticism and when victims come out. Yes, a youtuber or few do that shit and it's wrong. Their videos are blatantly biased and aren't valid. It's only valid for the Vivaholics to keep denying reality. It's nothing but hypocrisy and double standards with them.

When things don't go their way, they would pull out the following cards:

-"You're a homophobe if you criticize!"

-"You have more followers, be the bigger person" After they started the issue

-Pulling the victim card. Even if they started spreading rumors and misinformation.

-"You're a hater!" They would say this, even if it's fans genuinely wanting the product to get better.

-"YOU'RE BREAKING NDA" Despite the fact, they're not under NDA nor said anything that has legal content.

-They would even throw false allegations onto people/victims. Even if it's already proven wrong with proof. Which is funny, since they always ask victims for proof with their allegations. They refuse to look at it or twist the narrative to make Viv look good.

It's literally nothing but a two-faced, hypocritical fandom. Most of it. I feel bad for the fans who actually want the product to get better or got hounded on for their opinions. Even those who have been driven away, due to seeing how toxic the fandom is getting. Those people actually deserve better. As for the Vivaholics, they made their own beds really. That's all I'm saying.

[woomycritiques543]

How's the progress on the Vivziepop exposing doc btw?

It's meant to be a video.

I said that you guys could make a document if u want, sorry if I didn't explain this clearly but "StopVivziepop" is mean't to be a tag on Twitter, that I dont know could be trending, but if you guys could combine your efforts, screenshots, documents, and all, on Reddit, Twitter, OR Youtube we could have an actual chance.

Please, im actually scared for the community rn, the lgbt+ community are NOT a "danger to kids."

The stereotypes need to STOP!

[woomycritiques543]

After all the shit that ive seen this month in Vivziepop’s like list on Twitter (please dont go there unless you haven’t had your lunch yet because... oh god!) and all the people she’s hurt... I am going to make sure that Vivziepop gets held accountable. I dont care if it takes weeks, months, or even a year.

I will do it.

[woomycritiques543]

I like the takes on your last post spreading the word and getting it out there for Viv being awful! I also completely agree with you on this too

Don't fund her shows, stop supporting, blindly praising, and looking up to her like she's an absolute goddess that can never do wrong, Let the show die, Stop vivziepop, and lastly hold her accountable for everything she has done to her team ✊🏿

-and this goes for EVERY creator that supports bigoted behavior!

The Blaire White controversy was true!

We should never keep derogatory stereotypes alive!

Everyone over at "#HazbinHotel", you're allowed to like her content, but stop denying the harm it's caused to minorities for the past years! Stop denying Vivziepop's behavior! -there will always be better shows out there with much better creators that also make furry content!

#StopVivziepop!

Not just that, but it turns out that ALL OF THE ORIGINAL VA'S OF HAZBIN HOTEL WERE FIRED! ALL OF THEM!

According to actual emaisl sent by the ex spindlehorse cast to 4chan, Vivziepop actually hired every single original voice actor/actress from Hazbin Hotel- not because they did anything wrong, or for "SAG issues" (despite the fact that according to other sources, all Vivziepop had to do was pay extra money to keep them, but choose not to.) but because of quote "because they're freinds with me."

The email stating that, as quote, that Vivziepop was having "budget issues" at the time. (Not showing her email here since that would be an invasion of privacy.) Which doesn't make sense because, this was 2021?! She was hiring broadway actors?! So how does it make sense, especially when you realize that this wasn't as sincere of a message as it seems since it was quote "because they're freinds with me" implying that she fired all of them because of the accociation with just one person. One person, that for all we know could have just been an innocent person Vivziepop had spite towards-

Though the question is... why?

Why would she fire everyone who did voice acting, Micheal Kovach, Krystal, and all, over one person? It's especially weird since while this was being written, all that she hired were Broadway actors while anyone who was much worse off at the time she refused to hire for Helluva Boss. Extremely weird choice of firing people.

But, just know, that these are the actual emails, and this was sent by 4chan just this month as these people were talking to actual va's who used to be on the project before just like the Hazbin leaks, that were also confirmed to be real, this was sent by actual people who used to work on Hazbin Hotel, and was sent as "anon" on 4chan.

These are once again, legitamate messages from Spindlehorse.

....

None of the voice actors/actresses for Hazbin Hotel are coming back.

[melody-pearl]

Same! To bad that Viv will most likely not add more to that next time he appears sadly. At least we got fanfiction.

When I tell y’all this part has me frothing for more Striker lore…

[melody-pearl]

I hate her response because she’s literally insulting her fans here! Specifically in this case, those who make HB and HH fanfiction and actually put passion into them!

💀😐 Further solidifies all of people's beliefs she cannot take criticism no this is the final nail. She is really pissed at his video and it wasn't even that bad no it was not bad as it didn't bash her it was sound criticism and done respectfully they even kept reiterating their love for the show. Viv this is such toxic and down right petty behaviour not to mention how unprofessional you are right now to do this. This is a new low for you one would think she'd learn over the years but no, replying to fans bashing them enabling hate towards the other party. This is utterly disgusting, shameful.

[melody-pearl]

Even if Steven Universe doesn’t have the best writing in the world, Rebecca writes SU better than Viv could ever with HH or HB. I actually like Rebecca because they’re actually a good writer, especially with the LGBT rep, and even called out her fandom for bullying that artist like you said while Viv doesn’t do shit when her fandom literally tries to ruin peoples lives over giving HB or HH some criticism.

Viv, you had an entire episode set on Millie’s family farm that centered around Moxxie. You’ve had plenty of chances to develop Millie as a character, but instead you just pushed her aside so Stolas could hog the spotlight.

Also, if Hazbin has always had a heavier emphasis on women led stories, then why are Angel Dust and Alastor getting all the character development? It’s been four years since the Hazbin pilot dropped and Vaggie still hasn’t gotten any tie in materials to flesh her character out.

And what’s with this “If we get to finish the series” talk? Helluva Boss is an internet show, you don’t have any network executives breathing down your neck, nor do you a set deadline. You’re your own boss Viv!

This entire thread is infuriating, but what gets me is that, in typical Viv fashion, she doesn’t address any of the criticism head on, it’s all just vague nonsense that doesn’t mean anything.

Say what you will about Steven Universe as a show, but at least Rebecca Sugar never made a long ass Twitter thread as a response to people criticizing the show. Because unlike Viv, they knew how to act like an adult on social media.