#Ron the Death Eater

[themattress]

Personal red flag: fans who judge Celeste's whole character based on how she behaved and what she did in the Killing Game. Calling her "cold-blooded" or "cruel", saying she "hates everyone" or "doesn't care / think highly of anyone but herself", etc. Just ignoring that:

A.) She had her memories of past events and friendships erased.

B.) She was trapped against her will in a situation that encouraged killing to escape.

C.) Because of the above two points, she couldn't look upon her classmates as trusted friends, but as potential killers who might either murder her or get her killed in a Class Trial.

The facts that the two victims before her murder scheme were of a similar physical vulnerability as her and that nobody is listening to the Nighttime Rule she specifically made to reassure herself that she had control over the others and could get them not to kill should not be ignored, nor should the manga-confirmed fact that Taka behaving like Mondo (the previous killer) and feuding with Hifumi over Alter Ego frightened her into "acting first".

More to the point, however, much like with the interpretations of Sayaka as a "snake", media outside of the Killing Game exists to disprove this. In School Mode you can lower her defenses through the right choices and expose her as capable of genuine care and affection, and in the ending it is specifically said that everyone's bond of friendship with one another made the miracle with Usami happen, which includes Celeste's feelings toward them.

And then we have Ultimate Talent Development Program and Ultimate Summer Camp.

These interactions with Taka, Makoto, Nagito, Kirumi, Kokichi, Mikan, Peko, Hajime, Ryoma, Teruteru, "Byakuya", Tsumugi, Angie, Sakura, Fuyuhiko, Chiaki, Sonia, Himiko, Genocide Jack, Kotoko, Kaede, Hifumi, Korekiyo, Jataro, Rantaro and K1-B0 all feature Celeste being unfailingly polite, considerate of the other person's feelings, and not hesitating to remark on what is admirable or special about them. Now, sometimes this is her lying - she is clearly screwing with Kokichi just as he's doing with her, she dislikes Teruteru on a personal level and is only as civil as she has to be to get what she wants out of him (plus he tends to get off on her yelling at him and she doesn't want to give him that pleasure), and she seems to tolerate Nagito, Angie and Korekiyo more than like them (just look at her boosting Makoto vs. her agreeing with Nagito's self-deprecation), but on the whole the exchanges show a girl who, while childishly selfish and vain, does appreciate and respect other people in her life.

Conversely, there is a trend with her negative exchanges:

They are all retaliatory. Someone else antagonizes her first (accidental on Gundham, Komaru and Akane's parts, deliberately for the others) and she responds harshly. Whereas in the Killing Game she often would be the aggressor in a conflict since she didn't trust the others and was actively trying to keep them at a distance, it's different in a normal school environment. In other words, Celeste would have been nicer had this scene not happened:

Anyone who doesn't understand this about Celeste.....doesn't understand Celeste.

[problematic-faves-appreciation]

Jane Eyre criticals treat Jane like a enemy of feminism because she married Rochester

Yeah. I've gotten those vibes from "reader, I divorced him" type posts, and the Jane/Bertha pairing. The stuff of "fix it" fics.

I feel that people overlook the story's presentation of Jane as a strong female character when they treat her like Rochester's victim.

[resisteverything]

I recently read a youtube comment about the little nightmares DLC chapter the hideaway predicting that the Knomes were going to rebel against Six, with her being the final boss who they have to overthrow because she replaced the lady.

I know tumblr has said a lot about the demonization of female characters, especially morally grey ones, but what the ever loving fuck?

1. Six is a child. She can’t be older than 12. She’s not a criminal mastermind. Like obviously. Be fucking for real.

2. Six has never had the goal of being a grand tyrant or the one running the child meat factory. Her goal has been to escape.

3. She literally left the maw. Wherever she is now, she’s not there. There is literally nothing to imply she’s ever coming back, much less coming back to perpetuate the system the maw is built on.

4. She literally killed the maws guests on sight once she could, no second thoughts. There is no way in hell she’s going to serve them food.

5. Six does not hurt people because she enjoys it. She does it for her own survival. This is consistent. She ate a knome because she was desperately hungry. She ate the lady so she could gain her powers and escape. She killed the guests so they wouldn’t eat her. She’s not going to start serving up child meat, or anything equivalent.

[the-chemist-1138]

Honestly, I am disturbed by the amount of people who read "The Snow Queen" by Hans Christian Anderson, and thought that Kay didn't deserve to be saved... "Because he was mean to Gerda".

For crying out loud, he was infected by a magical item made by The Devil Himself, and he is just a kid! Sure it isn't a good thing to be unpleasant to loved ones, but that doesn't mean he should have been left to die! It was literally an outright stated plot point that demonic magic was making him not himself.

I am glad that the retelling, "Shards Of Glass" addressed that, and Gerda got to see what Kay saw through his eyes. Not to mention forgiveness from both sides.

I also get disturbed by retelling that make him unpleasant on his own volition, completely missing the point of the original tale. Why do people have an axe to grind against a kid with what was basically Clinical Depression? I have clinical depression and that fairy tale helped me realize that.

[arcenciel-par-une-larme]

I don't get it.

We had the perfect cinnamon roll on our screens, who is a fighter against a violent imperialist power, who also has a tragic backstory including the burden of living as the sole survivor of ethnic cleansing and genocide against a secluded, pacifist nation.

And somehow we still managed to get to the point of "Aang is an entitled coloniser incel and sexual abuser".

some of your goofy asses for the past 20 years

[blueberrycasanova]

i think dumbledore was growing weed in the forbidden forest the whole time and that’s why it was forbidden. that’s also why he acts the way he does.

[themattress]

OK, I'm doing tip-toeing around it. Let's see what I've been alluding to in recent days.

"Celeste is almost IMMEDIATELY established as a cold-hearted bitch who only looks out for herself, and asserts her opinions as fact over everybody else's. She shows NO sympathy for the dead, and no GENUINE concern for the wellbeing of the people around her. Regardless of what level of psychosis you put her on, the indisputable fact is that she cares about nothing in the world other than herself and her own happiness, and she is almost never shy to admit that." - [REDACTED]

Source? This:

Ironically enough, the guy followed it with "She’s a LIAR. That is LITERALLY her main premise as the Ultimate Gambler."

............................So, did you ever think that when she said the above, she wasn't "admitting" that she cares for nothing but herself and her own happiness, but LYING about it? That maybe everything she says while trying to act the part of Celestia Ludenberg, Ultimate Gambler should be taken with a hundred grains of salt given that she's a liar? That maybe "cold-hearted bitch who only looks out for herself" and doesn't show respect to the dead or genuine concern for the living is a performance she's putting on rather than genuine? One that never would have reached the extremes it did taking over her psyche without her having her memories wiped and being forced into the Killing Game, I might add. And on that specific note, this dude actually justifies his vile usage of Celeste in his RP based around this misperception of her character, the notion that no matter what the circumstances she would turn to evil because she only cares about herself and feels nothing for her classmates. To which I am left desperately trying to understand what game he played, given that the speech from the above pictures were shortly followed by this contradictory, fully voice-acted moment:

Not only is she clearly about to confess to the REAL reason she turned to evil and murder before cutting herself off, namely that she was scared and lost hope in survival because she couldn't put faith in Alter Ego (the Japanese version was more explicit, where instead of "it's not important", she says "no use being redundant", since it would be redundant following her motive reveal of a castle with another motive reveal), which directly contradicts that she'd become a villain under any circumstance or any level of psychosis, in context she's saying it as she's giving the key to Alter Ego's locker to Kyoko before being executed. If she truly, TRULY had no concern for her classmates' well-being and only cared about herself, why do this? She could take that key to the execution and die with it, depriving her classmates of Alter Ego and a potential escape as a middle finger to them for thwarting her and voting her as the culprit thus getting her killed. There is literally no logical reason for Celeste to hand that key over before dying if it was an "indisputable fact" that she only cared for herself. Makoto and Kyoko both saw through her bullshit, yet otherwise smart fans who are too emotionally put off by it like this guy somehow can't. Their hearts overpower their brains.

And on that final note, I would not object to Celeste being used as a villain if sensible reasons (so not "I believe her cold-hearted facade") were provided for the turn; after all I like her usage in Trigger Happy Havoc where exactly that transpires. I also hold no objection to Celeste getting comeuppance for her villainy; again I point to the firetruck and all the jokes I make about it (not that she deserved to die, nobody in the Killing Game does, but dying in that specific bait-and-switch way cannot help but feel karmic given the reasons behind her turn to evil). But when your idea of "comeuppance" is so gratuitously cruel and morally unjust; essentially police brutality including the justification of "she deserves it!", coming from all her "good guy" classmates who are turned into OOC sockpuppets for the writer's feelings toward Celeste rather than anything they would realistically say and do, and written in such graphic detail that it makes a reader (namely, me) actually feel ill, then you don't just lack respect for her character, but for all the characters and for what Danganronpa is meant to be about.

I doubt that guy will ever read this post, but in the off chance he does I want to say that I know you have depression, and maybe I'm being too angry with you - I don't know you personally, you're probably an OK person. But as a fan, I implore you to not only reconsider a character that you have greatly misinterpreted, but especially reconsider what you're putting into your work and what you're trying to say with it; what you are trying to justify. Given our current political climate, cruelty and violence inflicted upon others by people in positions of authority toward those they hate and deem to be evil is not something to cheer on. Either rewrite the thing or make the characters take accountability for their deplorable actions.

But that will be his choice. My choice, however, is to appreciate canon Danganronpa, with the canon characterizations and relationships, all the more and strive to be faithful to it in whatever fan works I produce. Because otherwise, it's not Danganronpa. It's just garbage.

[problematic-faves-appreciation]

A meme for those of you whose favorite characters have been Ron the Death Eater'd/gotten their flaws and mistakes blown out of proportion by people.

[problematic-faves-appreciation]

TW: Incest mention, pedophilia mention

Anyone else heard of this book, and found yourself disliking it?

A Jane Eyre retelling centered around Rochester's ward, Adèle Varens.

I must say, the mischaracterizations of Jane and Rochester in particular bugged me.

For instance, the author had Jane be emotionally dependent on Rochester. Jane, the woman who could clearly live without Rochester, as proven by her leaving him in the source material to retain her self-respect after finding out about Bertha. That weak where Rochester is concerned?

And Rochester? Oh man, you know the author Ron-the-Death-Eater'd him badly when reviewers who aren't his fans, of all people, criticized that decision:

He has more than one redeeming quality, Mx. Hater.

"More offensive to Jane than anything." Yes, exactly!

I hope most Jane Eyre retellings aren't like this book. :c

[monochrometuna]

Tom Riddle in Chamber of Secrets

[iamnmbr3]

Everyone: omg Harry is the heir of Slytherin. He just spoke Parseltongue which is a super rare hereditary skill in the Slytherin line and it looks like he set a snake on someone in front of witnesses.

Draco: nah he wouldn’t do that I know him

[ultraericthered]

"But he actually was just another Twist Villain!" - I can kind of see this point: he wasn't introduced to us as an in-universe villain and sort of made an abrupt shift from one characterization to another like Disney Twist Villains are prone to doing once the twist of their villainy is outed. However, he was at least the direct antagonist of the story for the majority of his screentime, unlike Hans or the Zootopia mayors, nor was his villainous nature a poorly kept secret like Callaghan and King Runeard. In that, he's more in common with Lotso or Namaari.

"But he wasn't all that menacing and didn't actually do anything super evil!" - That's just an opinion. For me, he got very menacing once high on the forbidden dark magic, and if someone didn't grasp the full scope and context behind what he was doing that "made people sad" and behind why he'd want everyone in his kingdom in that state of lingering sadness, that's more on them than on him.

"But he was literally a well-intentioned good guy who got made evil by that dark magic book! He was cursed or possessed by the magic, so in his right state of mind he'd never get like that!" - He went for the book by choice, and even once bonded with the magic, he broke and absorbed wishes by choice. This "Mel Gibson Defense" doesn't fly!

"But his villain song sucks ass!" - In spite of its lyrics, it really doesn't.

"But he had a vague sad past where he lost his family and everything, so he can't really be classified as a true villain! There was some deep generational trauma at fault for his behavior just waiting to be explored here!" - OK, I'm out. There really is no pleasing everyone!

Still kills me how people were clamoring for a new original villain without a twist... so Disney said with Wish, "Here's a king who literally takes part of people's lives and souls and erases their memories!"

And people looked at it and went, "nah, he's too handsome and charming and also we fell for his sob story and the lies about how stealing a piece of their soul is for the good of everyone. The real villain is the protagonist fighting for her people to live fulfilling lives!"

[hpseeker99]

Hermione: And that's the plan! Hermione: Now let's see who was paying attention. *Kahoot music starts*

[babypizzaface]

In this house we love Weasleys.

Death Eater: i have your child

Molly&Arthur: which one?

Death Eater: the annoying one who won’t shut up.

Molly&Arthur: which one?

[frenchydelacour]

How could anybody hate these three?

[themattress]

Eva isn’t a victim.

WRONG. You should say "Eva isn't just a victim". Since everyone in the Killing Game, her included, are objectively victims since they were kidnapped and trapped somewhere against their will. With that said, anyone who chooses to commit murder or attempt murder in a Killing Game gets the "not just a victim" status since they make the conscious choice to take a life. And in this Killing Game, it's probably worse than in the actual Danganronpa games since in those there's always some sort of tampering with the characters' agency in order to ensure they kill (memory tampering and whatnot), whereas here everyone seems to be mentally untouched by Tozu and only manipulated through words and insinuations to play on their negative emotions. In the end, Eva doomed herself with her willful refusal to trust others.

I feel like the Eva glaze is getting out of hand guys…

Recently, I’ve seen a lot of people hating on Wolfgang for ostracizing Eva, but totally okay with Eva’s whole murder scheme??

I get it if you just like Eva, which is cool idc, but SO many people have totally forgotten Eva’s whole scheme and her betrayals, which erases the complexity of her character.

Eva did betray Damon and Diana. She 100% thought she was smarter than the rest of the cast and thought she could win against them in a trial. She immediately distrusted and shut herself off from the rest of the cast before even attempting to know them, convincing herself that any kindness they showed her was pity.

By boiling her down to a victim (which she isn’t), y’all have eliminated her from complexity. Eva isn’t a victim. She was entirely proactive from the start, at first, lying about her talent, and then killing someone and attempting to frame someone else for it.

Yes, she did seem to finally be forming a relationship with Damon, which almost lured her out of her plan, but she ended up going through with it for her own self preservation.