#Ron the Death Eater

[problematic-faves-appreciation]

Jane Eyre criticals treat Jane like a enemy of feminism because she married Rochester

Yeah. I've gotten those vibes from "reader, I divorced him" type posts, and the Jane/Bertha pairing. The stuff of "fix it" fics.

I feel that people overlook the story's presentation of Jane as a strong female character when they treat her like Rochester's victim.

[themattress]

OK, I'm doing tip-toeing around it. Let's see what I've been alluding to in recent days.

"Celeste is almost IMMEDIATELY established as a cold-hearted bitch who only looks out for herself, and asserts her opinions as fact over everybody else's. She shows NO sympathy for the dead, and no GENUINE concern for the wellbeing of the people around her. Regardless of what level of psychosis you put her on, the indisputable fact is that she cares about nothing in the world other than herself and her own happiness, and she is almost never shy to admit that." - [REDACTED]

Source? This:

Ironically enough, the guy followed it with "She’s a LIAR. That is LITERALLY her main premise as the Ultimate Gambler."

............................So, did you ever think that when she said the above, she wasn't "admitting" that she cares for nothing but herself and her own happiness, but LYING about it? That maybe everything she says while trying to act the part of Celestia Ludenberg, Ultimate Gambler should be taken with a hundred grains of salt given that she's a liar? That maybe "cold-hearted bitch who only looks out for herself" and doesn't show respect to the dead or genuine concern for the living is a performance she's putting on rather than genuine? One that never would have reached the extremes it did taking over her psyche without her having her memories wiped and being forced into the Killing Game, I might add. And on that specific note, this dude actually justifies his vile usage of Celeste in his RP based around this misperception of her character, the notion that no matter what the circumstances she would turn to evil because she only cares about herself and feels nothing for her classmates. To which I am left desperately trying to understand what game he played, given that the speech from the above pictures were shortly followed by this contradictory, fully voice-acted moment:

Not only is she clearly about to confess to the REAL reason she turned to evil and murder before cutting herself off, namely that she was scared and lost hope in survival because she couldn't put faith in Alter Ego (the Japanese version was more explicit, where instead of "it's not important", she says "no use being redundant", since it would be redundant following her motive reveal of a castle with another motive reveal), which directly contradicts that she'd become a villain under any circumstance or any level of psychosis, in context she's saying it as she's giving the key to Alter Ego's locker to Kyoko before being executed. If she truly, TRULY had no concern for her classmates' well-being and only cared about herself, why do this? She could take that key to the execution and die with it, depriving her classmates of Alter Ego and a potential escape as a middle finger to them for thwarting her and voting her as the culprit thus getting her killed. There is literally no logical reason for Celeste to hand that key over before dying if it was an "indisputable fact" that she only cared for herself. Makoto and Kyoko both saw through her bullshit, yet otherwise smart fans who are too emotionally put off by it like this guy somehow can't. Their hearts overpower their brains.

And on that final note, I would not object to Celeste being used as a villain if sensible reasons (so not "I believe her cold-hearted facade") were provided for the turn; after all I like her usage in Trigger Happy Havoc where exactly that transpires. I also hold no objection to Celeste getting comeuppance for her villainy; again I point to the firetruck and all the jokes I make about it (not that she deserved to die, nobody in the Killing Game does, but dying in that specific bait-and-switch way cannot help but feel karmic given the reasons behind her turn to evil). But when your idea of "comeuppance" is so gratuitously cruel and morally unjust; essentially police brutality including the justification of "she deserves it!", coming from all her "good guy" classmates who are turned into OOC sockpuppets for the writer's feelings toward Celeste rather than anything they would realistically say and do, and written in such graphic detail that it makes a reader (namely, me) actually feel ill, then you don't just lack respect for her character, but for all the characters and for what Danganronpa is meant to be about.

I doubt that guy will ever read this post, but in the off chance he does I want to say that I know you have depression, and maybe I'm being too angry with you - I don't know you personally, you're probably an OK person. But as a fan, I implore you to not only reconsider a character that you have greatly misinterpreted, but especially reconsider what you're putting into your work and what you're trying to say with it; what you are trying to justify. Given our current political climate, cruelty and violence inflicted upon others by people in positions of authority toward those they hate and deem to be evil is not something to cheer on. Either rewrite the thing or make the characters take accountability for their deplorable actions.

But that will be his choice. My choice, however, is to appreciate canon Danganronpa, with the canon characterizations and relationships, all the more and strive to be faithful to it in whatever fan works I produce. Because otherwise, it's not Danganronpa. It's just garbage.

[resisteverything]

I recently read a youtube comment about the little nightmares DLC chapter the hideaway predicting that the Knomes were going to rebel against Six, with her being the final boss who they have to overthrow because she replaced the lady.

I know tumblr has said a lot about the demonization of female characters, especially morally grey ones, but what the ever loving fuck?

1. Six is a child. She can’t be older than 12. She’s not a criminal mastermind. Like obviously. Be fucking for real.

2. Six has never had the goal of being a grand tyrant or the one running the child meat factory. Her goal has been to escape.

3. She literally left the maw. Wherever she is now, she’s not there. There is literally nothing to imply she’s ever coming back, much less coming back to perpetuate the system the maw is built on.

4. She literally killed the maws guests on sight once she could, no second thoughts. There is no way in hell she’s going to serve them food.

5. Six does not hurt people because she enjoys it. She does it for her own survival. This is consistent. She ate a knome because she was desperately hungry. She ate the lady so she could gain her powers and escape. She killed the guests so they wouldn’t eat her. She’s not going to start serving up child meat, or anything equivalent.

[the-chemist-1138]

Honestly, I am disturbed by the amount of people who read "The Snow Queen" by Hans Christian Anderson, and thought that Kay didn't deserve to be saved... "Because he was mean to Gerda".

For crying out loud, he was infected by a magical item made by The Devil Himself, and he is just a kid! Sure it isn't a good thing to be unpleasant to loved ones, but that doesn't mean he should have been left to die! It was literally an outright stated plot point that demonic magic was making him not himself.

I am glad that the retelling, "Shards Of Glass" addressed that, and Gerda got to see what Kay saw through his eyes. Not to mention forgiveness from both sides.

I also get disturbed by retelling that make him unpleasant on his own volition, completely missing the point of the original tale. Why do people have an axe to grind against a kid with what was basically Clinical Depression? I have clinical depression and that fairy tale helped me realize that.

[ultraericthered]

So, the Spider-Man Raimi Memes subredit is populated by three different kinds of people - the fans who are just there for the memes including using memetic quotes from the trilogy in their comments and exchanges ‘cause it’s fun and shit, the fans and moviegoers who have good critical thinking skills and actually Get It, and the fans and moviegoers who are radioactively toxic and those Do Not Get It.

And of course the deeply and openly misogynistic MJ hater crowd makes up a large chunk of that last category. I’ve seen them around elsewhere on Reddit too and good lord it is depressing to see how many dudes (and likely some women too) are complete and utter swine who think exactly like MJ’s abusive father Phil and Harry’s abusive father Norman, and thus will say exactly the sort of things they said without a hint of shame, irony, or understanding that those were framed in-film as bad things said by bad people, and that whatever her actual faults, MJ did not deserve such mistreatment.

But the good thing about the times we’re living in and the diverse variety of Raimi Trilogy lovers on that subreddit is that there’s now more likely to be decent, smart and sensible people to combat all that bile through downvotes and rebuttals. Among those that I enjoyed:

On how she ain’t that bad

On the John Jameson incident

On Peter & MJ’s relationship, and What Makes A Spider-Man

On “That was OUR kiss!”

On people misunderstanding MJ’s character

On Raimi!MJ VS TASM!Gwen

On how no one is perfect and that’s OK

On romantic VS platonic for Peter/MJ

On a sexist hater with a victim complex

On MJ in the 161 comics canon

On Kirsten Dunst

On MJ’s showing in SM3

On MJ as “the unlikeable heroine”

On the faults in the Peter/MJ relationship

On MJ being a Problematic Fave

On screaming women in Sam Raimi films

On the Raimi Trilogy Formula

On MJ’s showing in SM2

On Ursula Ditkovich and why she is the GOAT

And I saved the best for last

[arcenciel-par-une-larme]

I don't get it.

We had the perfect cinnamon roll on our screens, who is a fighter against a violent imperialist power, who also has a tragic backstory including the burden of living as the sole survivor of ethnic cleansing and genocide against a secluded, pacifist nation.

And somehow we still managed to get to the point of "Aang is an entitled coloniser incel and sexual abuser".

some of your goofy asses for the past 20 years

[problematic-faves-appreciation]

A meme for those of you whose favorite characters have been Ron the Death Eater'd/gotten their flaws and mistakes blown out of proportion by people.

[ultraericthered]

Ah, more of what I love to see from Spider-Man Reddit.

[problematic-faves-appreciation]

TW: Incest mention, pedophilia mention

Anyone else heard of this book, and found yourself disliking it?

A Jane Eyre retelling centered around Rochester's ward, Adèle Varens.

I must say, the mischaracterizations of Jane and Rochester in particular bugged me.

For instance, the author had Jane be emotionally dependent on Rochester. Jane, the woman who could clearly live without Rochester, as proven by her leaving him in the source material to retain her self-respect after finding out about Bertha. That weak where Rochester is concerned?

And Rochester? Oh man, you know the author Ron-the-Death-Eater'd him badly when reviewers who aren't his fans, of all people, criticized that decision:

He has more than one redeeming quality, Mx. Hater.

"More offensive to Jane than anything." Yes, exactly!

I hope most Jane Eyre retellings aren't like this book. :c

[ultraericthered]

"But he actually was just another Twist Villain!" - I can kind of see this point: he wasn't introduced to us as an in-universe villain and sort of made an abrupt shift from one characterization to another like Disney Twist Villains are prone to doing once the twist of their villainy is outed. However, he was at least the direct antagonist of the story for the majority of his screentime, unlike Hans or the Zootopia mayors, nor was his villainous nature a poorly kept secret like Callaghan and King Runeard. In that, he's more in common with Lotso or Namaari.

"But he wasn't all that menacing and didn't actually do anything super evil!" - That's just an opinion. For me, he got very menacing once high on the forbidden dark magic, and if someone didn't grasp the full scope and context behind what he was doing that "made people sad" and behind why he'd want everyone in his kingdom in that state of lingering sadness, that's more on them than on him.

"But he was literally a well-intentioned good guy who got made evil by that dark magic book! He was cursed or possessed by the magic, so in his right state of mind he'd never get like that!" - He went for the book by choice, and even once bonded with the magic, he broke and absorbed wishes by choice. This "Mel Gibson Defense" doesn't fly!

"But his villain song sucks ass!" - In spite of its lyrics, it really doesn't.

"But he had a vague sad past where he lost his family and everything, so he can't really be classified as a true villain! There was some deep generational trauma at fault for his behavior just waiting to be explored here!" - OK, I'm out. There really is no pleasing everyone!

Still kills me how people were clamoring for a new original villain without a twist... so Disney said with Wish, "Here's a king who literally takes part of people's lives and souls and erases their memories!"

And people looked at it and went, "nah, he's too handsome and charming and also we fell for his sob story and the lies about how stealing a piece of their soul is for the good of everyone. The real villain is the protagonist fighting for her people to live fulfilling lives!"

[monochrometuna]

Tom Riddle in Chamber of Secrets

[iamnmbr3]

Everyone: omg Harry is the heir of Slytherin. He just spoke Parseltongue which is a super rare hereditary skill in the Slytherin line and it looks like he set a snake on someone in front of witnesses.

Draco: nah he wouldn’t do that I know him

[hpseeker99]

Hermione: And that's the plan! Hermione: Now let's see who was paying attention. *Kahoot music starts*

[themattress]

There are things about it I think are badly written, but most of it is a matter of execution and not concept, which is part of why I think the anime version is actually better because it smooths out those rough edges (the stage version is good too, though it's not something that would be able to work in the original THH story since the stage version has different rules.)

As written by Kodaka, Chapter 3's definitely contributed to the fandom misconceptions of Celeste of either "she's a brilliant manipulative girlboss" and "she's a heartless sociopath who would be evil and commit murder even outside of a Killing Game she was forced into", both of which are deliberate facades she is putting on. The latter misconception is even more insufferable than the former, IMO, because it's easily disprovable outside of Chapter 3 by the photo in the following chapter, the reveal about the time skip / memory loss in Chapter 6, and literally every non-Killing Game thing Celeste is ever in (School Mode, Danganronpa IF, UTDP / USC, and Riichi City). Celeste in THH is an increasingly horrible, selfish garbage person to the eventual point of straight-up murderous villainy and nobody should deny it, but what makes it dramatically effective is that it's a turn facilitated by Monokuma/Junko; she wasn't that bad going into the school and would remain not that bad if not for her memories being stolen and her being placed inside an anxiety-inducing Killing Game. Even with her castle dream, she would not have gone for the money if she hadn't convinced herself that she will probably be killed or waste away in her prison if she doesn't. Makoto even says it:

And absolves Celeste and everyone else but Junko of their crimes once he learns the truth.

Take it away, Kodaka!

Is DRTHH Chapter 3 Really Bad Writing? A Rant(?)

warning: this is definitely only kind of a character analysis, it's more like the ramblings of someone who's on their last braincell and trying to cope with their shitty day job, so don't expect this to strictly adhere to canon alone or be nicely put together with screenshots and whatnot, my blog is the content equivalent of a bargain bin and we all know it

Before i start i just wanted to make sure everyone knows that this is just my own personal interpretation of her character, if you have a different interpretation of her character that's totally fine, just because you don't have the exact same ideas and thoughts as me does not mean you are wrong or invalid, literally the point of being in a fandom is that you get to interpret the source material however you want and this is literally just what i think

A lot of the fandom, it seems like, likes to attribute her questionably planned and executed murder plot in chapter 3 to bad and out of character writing on the part of the DR writers (which it could be, we don't know what the writers were thinking when they came up with it) but honestly, I think her actions in chapter 3 were actually very in character for her. Literally, one of Celeste's most prominent character traits is that she likes to lie, and yet people interpret her character as if that's not the case. The only evidence to show that she is in fact a logical genius capable of coming up and executing an extremely complex murder plot is that she tells everyone how logical and smart she is. She purposely makes a point on multiple occasions, to put herself on the level of characters like Kyoko and Togami, by comparing herself to them, and constantly talks like she's superior and more intelligent than the rest of this class, but if you think about it, really, there's nothing to prove that that's necessarily true. Her talent is what's used a lot of the time to prove that she would have been able to pull off her murder plot, but in reality, her talent doesn't actually have to do with strategy or skill at any kind of game, or even her ability to bluff. In one of her free time events, she openly admits to this, telling Makoto that her talent is completely based on her own extraordinary luck, and telling him that she once won a shoji tournament despite not knowing how to play the game, which we know is a true story, as she has the prize from the tournament to prove it (and even admits she still doesn't know how to play?? good lord Celeste please you played through a whole ass tournament and still don't even have the faintest idea how to play?? real dumbass behavior. love her though) Not to say her talent doesn't require effort or skill at all, gambling is incredibly dangerous, especially in a country where it's illegal, and especially for someone as young as she would have had to have been when she started, but her actual talent of betting and winning games, seems to be entirely luck-based.

And even the "those guys" debacle can be somewhat explained by this. At that point in the trial, she is already clearly very emotional, and even if she's trying to put up her front, it's extremely obvious. She's not losing her ability to put up her front in the trial for nothing, since the beginning of the chapter even, you can see her clearly overcompensating and trying to act non-suspicious around the rest of the class, and this also makes her look incredibly obvious as the culprit, which just further drives home the point that literally the only reasons she is thought to be this genius mastermind are things that she says directly about herself, which, coming from a character who's specifically known to lie in order to make herself look better and more interesting and exciting, isn't particularly believable. On top of that, even if she is an extremely successful gambler, she is also an 18-19 year old high schooler, who is incredibly desperate to escape the school, and seems to be implied to have some form of social anxiety (in my opinion, this could literally be its own post dear lord I have far too much to say on the topic), that definitely is something that would as inhibit her ability to keep her cool during the trial as well. I've legitimately seen people put her on the same level as Junko in terms of masterminding plots, when she is clearly just another scared student in a killing game like the rest of the class, just one who's probably more numb to violence than some of the other students. She also is clearly shown to be incredibly invested in her fantasies and daydreams, and in playing the part of Celestia Ludenberg, someone who would be able to pull off a plot like that, but that's not actually who she is, just who she pretends to be. Celestia Ludenberg may be a calculating criminal mastermind, but Taeko Yasuhiro is not, no matter how much she pretends to be. She's not desperate to kill for her dream of owning a castle and having vampire butlers, but for the ability to live her life as Celestia Ludenberg, and staying trapped in the school would mean she would eventually have to accept that she would never truly escape being someone she absolutely hates.

I'm not trying to defend the DR writers or say it's the best game ever written, or that chapter 3 is a masterpiece, or that Celeste is an amazingly written character, I just think a lot of her character tends to go completely unnoticed when people brush off how she acts in chapter 3 as purely "bad writing" . Like if you want to believe that Celeste is exactly who she says she is or think I'm completely wrong, obviously that's fine, I just think it sucks that so much of her character is brushed off on the grounds DRTHH being "badly written" since I feel like that's a lot of what makes her a really interesting character.

[frenchydelacour]

How could anybody hate these three?

[babypizzaface]

In this house we love Weasleys.

Death Eater: i have your child

Molly&Arthur: which one?

Death Eater: the annoying one who won’t shut up.

Molly&Arthur: which one?