#Protogenos

[apiswitchcraft]

altars for titans and protogenoi

This post more than any of the others is going to be mostly upg or spg. Hardly anyone in antiquity spent a lot of effort worshipping most of these deities, especially the protogenoi, so resources are limited. If you have suggestions or personal addendums, feel free to leave them in the comments. I made a lot of decisions based on what the herbs/crystals are usually associated with: for example, black tourmaline is associated with Nyx (the night) therefore Chaos (the embodiment of the primordial soup and basically the universe) has black tourmaline too.

Also, all the deities on this list can be honored with libation of wine, milk, honey, and oil; offerings of meat or desserts; and burning frankincense/myrrh.

Disclaimer: this is not all of the protogenoi or titans that exist, these are just the most recognizable ones that have the most lore attached. I used theoi.com to research all of these deities.

CHAOS: the first to emerge at creation, the protogenos of the space between heaven and earth, and the air

Colors: black, grey, purple for the concept of chaos Offerings: feathers, burning incense, cinnamon, anise, cardamom, clove, black pepper, representations of the four elements Crystals: obsidian, tourmaline, labradorite, lava rock, angelite, amethyst Animals: birds

PHANES/EROS (the elder): protogenos of procreation

Colors: red, pink for love/procreation. blue, green for nature and creation Offerings: heart shaped objects, eucalyptus, flowers, egg shells Crystals: rose quartz, rhodonite, rhodochrosite, malachite, azurite, garnet, desert rose selenite Animals: birds

NYX: protogenos of the night

Colors: black, dark blue, purple for association with the night, anything galaxy patterned Offerings: blackberries, blueberries, plum, dew (morning is fine but after sunset is best), dark feathers, dark chocolate, night-blooming flowers (like moonflower or wisteria), black tea/coffee, mugwort Crystals: obsidian, black tourmaline, labradorite, moonstone (especially black moonstone), selenite, lapis lazuli, amethyst, smokey quartz Animals: owl

also, she is associated with symbols of keys and veils/cloaks

EREBOS: protogenos of darkness

Colors: black for darkness Offerings: dark chocolate, black pepper, black salt, charcoal, asphodel Crystals: black tourmaline, obsidian, smokey quartz, lapis lazuli, azurite, red jasper Animals: moths

AETHER: protogenos of light and the heavens

Colors: yellow, orange, white for sunlight. blue for the sky Offerings: sunflowers, bee pollen, morning dew, fruit, feathers Crystals: honey/blue calcite, yellow/bumblebee jasper, angelite, celestite, milky quartz

HEMERA: protogenos of the day

Colors: blue for the sky, white for the heavens Offerings: chamomile, sage, lavender, basil Crystals: angelite, blue calcite, selenite, celestite, milky quartz, sapphire

GAEA: protogenos of the earth

Colors: blue, green, brown for the earth Offerings: flowers, wood, dirt, anything from nature, really. doing good deeds for the environment Crystals: unakite, jaspers (various), agates (various), lava rock, tiger's eye, bumblebee jasper, jade, nephrite, serpentine, amber Animals: serpents, bull, pig, bees

OURANOS: protogenos of the sky

Colors: blue, white, grey for the sky Offerings: rosemary, sage, mint, leaving your windows/curtains open Crystals: angelite, celestite, selenite, blue calcite, moonstone, sunstone, star jasper, blue lace agate Animals: birds

OCEANUS: protogenos of the ocean

Colors: blue and white for the ocean Offerings: shells, gull feathers, fish scales/bones, sea water, pearls, sand from the ocean Crystals: larimar, aquamarine, turquoise, lapis lazuli, azurite Animals: gulls, pelicans, fish

TETHYS: protogenos of fresh water

Colors: blue and green for fresh water Offerings: lake/pond/river water, fish scales/bones, cattails, sand from a fresh water beach Crystals: larimar, aquamarine, fluorite, amazonite, petoskey stone Animals: fresh water fish, dragonflies

THEMIS: protogenos of divine law and order

Colors: white, silver, gold for law Offerings: thyme, rosemary, anything resembling scales Crystals: pyrite, bloodstone, smokey quartz, obsidian, alexandrite, lapis lazuli Animals: owls

TARTARUS: protogenos of the depths

Colors: red and black for the underworld Offerings: sulfur, saltpeter, black salt, charcoal, deadly nightshade Crystals: jaspers (various), obsidian, black tourmaline, bloodstone, garnet/ruby, pyrite (contains a lot of sulfur) Animals: bats, black dogs

KRONOS: titan of time, harvest, and abundance

Colors: yellow, gold for his scythe. white, grey for the concept of time. green, brown for fertility Offerings: grain, bread, clocks/watches, vervain, poppy, nightshade, clove, allspice Crystals: jaspers (various), agates (various), labradorite, quartz (various), amethyst, honey calcite, serpentine, amber Animals: snakes

RHEA: titaness of motherhood, fertility, and generations (like of family)

Colors: red, pink for motherhood. green, brown for fertility Offerings: menstrual blood, milk, red clover, raspberry, allspice, clove, cinnamon Crystals: rose quartz, rhodonite, rhodochrosite, amethyst, pink opal, jade, nephrite, tiger's eye, cat's eye, amber Animals: lion

PHOEBE: titaness of bright intellect and prophecy

Colors: blue, white, and grey for intellect. purple for prophecy Offerings: sage, bay leaves, lavender, tests/quizzes/homework, yarrow Crystals: lapis lazuli, amethyst, labradorite, howlite, celestite, moonstone, selenite, celestite

LETO: titaness of motherhood, modesty, and womanly demure, protector of children

Colors: pink, red for motherhood. white for modesty Offerings: raspberry, allspice, clove, cinnamon, lavender, flowers, Crystals: moonstone, sunstone, selenite, rose quartz, carnelian, lepidolite, howlite Animals: wolf, rooster

also, she is associated with veiling

ASTERIA: titaness of falling stars, night time divination, and astrology

Colors: blue, black for the night. white/galaxy pattern for stars. purple for magic Offerings: star charts, feathers (especially quail), lavender Crystals: celestite, selenite, star jasper, amethyst, azurite, obsidian, black tourmaline, labradorite, jade Animals: quail

HELIOS: titan of the sun

Colors: yellow, orange, white for the sun Offerings: anything that refracts sunlight, sunflower, st john's wort, sage, cow pelt, chicken feathers Crystals: sunstone, yellow jasper, honey calcite, carnelian, citrine, milky quartz, celestite, angelite, amber Animals: cattle, sheep, white horses, rooster

SELENE: titaness of the moon

Colors: white, grey for the moon Offerings: yarrow, moon shaped objects/food, lavender, night-blooming flowers (like morning glories), nighttime dew Crystals: selenite, celestite, angelite, moonstone, labradorite, smokey quartz, howlite Animals: horses, oxen, mules

EOS: titaness of dawn

Colors: blue for the sky. white, yellow, orange, pink for colors of dawn Offerings: morning dew, morning glories, lavender, yarrow, sage Crystals: rose quartz, citrine, honey calcite, yellow jasper, milky quartz, moonstone, sunstone, selenite, celestite Animals: horses, cicadas

MNEMOSYNE: titaness of memory

Colors: red, yellow for memory Offerings: forget-me-nots, myrtle, rosemary, jasmine, Crystals: jade, amber, turquoise, fluorite, red/yellow jasper Animals: animals with good memory, like an elephant or raven

PROMETHEUS: titan of forethought, creator of mankind

Colors: red, orange for the fire of creation Offerings: fennel, burning things, charcoal Crystals: bloodstone, carnelian, citrine, amber, jaspers (various) Animals: eagle

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[brawley1492]

ORPHIC EGG

Represents the Cosmos in its most abstract conception

Named after Orpheus

6th century B.C.E.

Base on the beliefs and teachings of "ORPHISM"

Originated from a silver egg

It is believed that Chronos the personification of time created the silver egg of the Universe

Which hatched the primeval Deity Phanes (also called Protogenos who in turn created other Gods ... Orphic egg facts

[vieillegarde]

Protogenos

Akhlys - Nyx - Khaos

[u-happened-2-me]

guy from thing

[artblooger19moon]

SABLEDESTRUCTOR TARTARAS

Crimson King of Ruin & Mad Titan of Chaos

This awesome Kaiju belongs to @primalmatt97 and they gave me permission to draw their kaiju.

[darkspacelow]

who are you and who am i?

[pescalozz]

Aether

Aether (Αιθηρ) is was the primordial god (protogenos) of light and the bright, blue ether of the heavens.

He is the son of Nyx (Night) and Erebus (Darkness)

Offerings :

This God is an intricate one, since he's the personification of the sky, there's not much we can offer.

I would personally give feathers.

I would recommend sun water and/or rain water.

You can also burn any sort of incense.

For the candle white and light blue are surely the first option you could think off but it's up to you.

You can also gift painting/pictures of the sky

Devotional acts :

Once again, there's not much you can do except look at the sky from time to time.

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I'm sorry this one is shorter but remember, everyone experience worship differently and good luck 🤲🏼🏛️

[aikoiya]

LoZ: EoW - Null

I hate to say it, but I knew that Demise couldn't have been the absolute big bad. I knew he couldn't be the equivalent of Hyrule's Satan. I just knew it! Dude was way too brutish to be the ultimate evil.

Demise & the Dorfs have always been noted as Daimaō (大魔王, Feudal Daemon Lord), which is the Yōkai equivalent to a Daimyō (大名, Feudal Lord). But there are at least 2 ranks higher than a Daimyo in the Feudal Japanese ruling hierarchy.

One that parallels the rank of Shōgun (将軍, General) & one paralleling the Tennō (天皇, Emperor or lit. Heavenly Sovereign). With the Tennō being the top of the social class as it is thought that the Emperor is literally descended from Amaterasu.

And, I think Null was one of those higher ranked beings. Possibly even being a Protogenos (primordial manifeststion) of nothingness, hunger, & destruction.

But this would mean that there's still one other being out there more powerful than Demise... However, even scarier is the fact that, in Japan, there were around 200 Daimyō when the Shogunate first began...

So... by that logic, there might actually be an eff-ton more Akuma & Yōkai in Hyrule's world that are at least as powerful as Demise...

And I can't wait to see them! :3

LoZ General Masterlist

[talonabraxas]

PHANES was the primordial god (protogenos) of creation in the Orphic cosmogony. He was the generator of life--the driving force behind reproduction in the early cosmos. Phanes was hatched from the world-egg, a primordial mix of elements split into its constituent parts by Khronos (Chronos) (Time) and Ananke (Inevitability). Phanes "Ruler of the Zodiac" Talon Abraxas

[veenvss]

THE SUN AND THE STAR

rick riordan

14/9/24 - 15/9/24

notes :

i finally found this book after almost two years of searching yet looking back at it, i could've just bought it online :((

some thoughts :

nico looked back at will when they went down the door of orpheus ...

i wish tartarus was more horrific. i understand that this is a children's book which is why this is toned down and maybe it's my fault for going from the poppy war to percy jackson. i would've LOVED this to be a horror book and it could've so easily been. im so used to dark percy fics that i do forget that this is a children's book series.

i like how they didnt actually defeat the big bad evil and instead were helped and escaped. obviously, because nyx is a protogenos and theres no way that nico and will (especially will) couldve defeated her, realistically.

and small bob is such a cutie i want one

...

next i just have to find the senior year adventures

[crypticmillipede]

actually should i just drop a completely unprompted long take on The Sun and The Star?? nobody asked for this but my audience is 1, and it is me. behold, my list:

Things I Liked:

Nico book!! yeah Nico book, book for Nico!!

Seriously though, this was such an awesome book for queer representation. Nico was such an icon for queer kids like me growing up, at a time when it wasn’t very common to see gay people in media, and he had a happy ending! it’s really cool that he has his own book, and kids today will have this.

Nico and Will were compelling characters, they were well-written and play off each other nicely!

They gave Nico PTSD, which I thought actually made a lot of sense and seemed realistic for his situation. I mean, the guy’s been through a lot.

nostalgia. plain and simple. i am simply biased to like this book bc it is Percy Jackson-related.

Things I Disliked:

i was super surprised that Nico was relatively cool with Will coming to Tartarus with him, especially given the prophecy? i thought Will would have to sneak down there! felt strange that Nico would be pretty chill with his boyfriend coming to Literal Hell with him, especially since it’s a major source of his PTSD.

Will didn’t bring a weapon?? Nico was like “eh whatever” when it came to packing food? it’s TARTARUS ! be so much more serious i am begginggg you.

I wish they’d done more with his PTSD? i mean, he had the dreams, but it turns out those were sent by Nyx, so what really was the extent of his ptsd? Especially going back to tartarus, it might’ve been more meaningful for him to shut down or freeze up in an important moment, or exhibit more symptoms throughout the book

GOD parts of it were cringe. “cocoa puffs”?? be so fr. ik theyre teens, and teens are ABSOLUTELY cringe, but this didn’t feel like teen cringe, it felt more like “older people trying to write teen lingo” cringe

going to Percy’s mom’s house felt super shoe-horned in. i can maybee understand wanting to iris-message Percy and Annabeth, but the whole “we don’t know his schedule thing” was a pretty thinly-veiled excuse

the reveal that Nico was playing Mythomagic in the 40s???? ?? this was such a small detail but it really got to me. no WAY have the “greek pokémon cards” been around 80 YEARS. broke my immersion lol

They didn’t have to drink from the Phlegethon once? What happened to the acid air! i know they were eating a lot of ambrosia, but if that was healing them, it’d be nice if the book explicitly mentioned it. and like, they slept there overnight, and not one mention of their throats hurting bc of the,, poison air? i mean this was a majorrr mechanic of percy and annabeth’s time there! they mentioned it like once or twice i think, but that was about it.

also, in the tartarus flashback, Nico didn’t know what the Phlegethon was! yk, one of only 5 rivers that flows through the Underworld?? the one that’s essential to its ecosystem bc it ensures the tortured stay alive?? as someone who’s very familiar with the underworld, there’s no way he wouldn’t know what it was- if Annabeth would recognize it, he would too!

In general, the descriptions of Tartarus were toned way down from Percy and Annabeth’s experience. i reread HoH in preparation for when this book came out, and you can really tell the difference.

I think at one point in HoH, the true nature of Tartarus was revealed to Percy, and he said something like, “this must’ve been how Nico experienced Tartarus the whole time” and that always stuck with me. turns out, not really? and the book made up new mechanics about the “true nature” being revealed the longer you stayed there, which wasn’t really a thing in HoH

Nyx was a weird villain. why would a protogenos care about some random demigod “coming to the dark side”?? demigods are like ants to her. and Nico is like, a well-established hero, who’s consistently characterized as someone who is very good, and looks out for the forgotten. he’s been through some things, but his “goodness” has never reallyyy been in question (except for like, a tinyyy bit of the 4th pjo book, but still, not really)

What was the purpose of Nyx sending Nico those nightmares, when Bob was already the set trap? even Nico mentioned it was redundant, but then the authors never elaborated on it

Nico’s demons were a cool reveal, but I don’t see how they fulfilled the prophecy at all. are they really of equal value to a Titan? and Nico’s emotions are still inside him, they’re just also manifested on the outside too now. Plus, the cacodemons came with him, so he didn’t even leave them behind?? When I originally heard the prophecy, I thought maybe Bob’s essence would split from Iapetus, and they’d leave the evil titan behind while escaping with Bob. Honestly, i still think that makes more sense than what actually happened.

Wasn’t Bianca reincarnated?? how were they able to have that conversation?? ig it could be written off as “hades’ magic or whatever” but it felt like a MAJOR oversight

WHERE was Hazel??? that made no sense. she was such a big part of Nico’s life in HoO, i don’t know if they mentioned it even once?? Why in the world would Nico call Piper at the end? ik it made sense thematically, since Piper is also queer, but it felt so shallow and surface level. like “ooh let’s have the two gay characters talk”. in reality Nico and Piper never talked in HoO, it really doesn’t make sense for them to talk now, as the final part of the book? where is his sister?? it honestly would’ve been nice to see her reaction to his queerness as well, since she’s from another century. it could’ve been a cool little “being from a different time is not an excuse for homophobia, look hazel’s an ally” thing! idk lol i just wanted to see her again

THEY DIDN’T RESCUE DAMASEN :-( made a whole nother post about this one.

Things Other People Disliked That I Thought Were Fine, Actually:

people said Nico was OOC, but i thought he was pretty in line with the Nico of ToA. A year or so has passed since the Nico of HoO, and this is the first time he’s been in a really good place. He’s allowed to act happy!

some people reallyyy hated Will in this book, but i thought he was alright. he was a flawed character, but it’s good when characters have flaws! plus he was like half-awake and drained for most of the book, obv he’s not gonna be on his best behavior!

i saw people saying the book was too sappy, but i think it was alright! was it sappy? yeahhh. but like, it was a book explicitly for queer representation, go big or go home right? i’m glad kids today have this!

i saw a lot of people arguing that the book was cringe, in CONTRAST to the previous percy jackson books. and yea, it was cringe sometimes. but this is a well-established precedent within the percy jackson series !!! i hatee to say this but. be so genuine and fr with me rn. are you gonna tell me “seaweed brain” “wise girl” isn’t,,, cringe? the quips have ALWAYS been “erm, it’s right behind me, isn’t it?”-style. i knowww it’s hard to hear but the only difference is that we’re older now and can recognize it.

people were arguing that Tartarus was Percy and Annabeth’s thing, and that sending Nico down there with Will was infringing on that. but i reallyy disagree. Nico was the FIRST person down there, and he did it alone! if Tartarus was anyone’s “thing”, it’d be Nico’s. and besides, if you’re gonna make a Nico and Will-centric book, what better way then to send them through the gauntlet of Tartarus, symbolically saying that their journey was just as valid as Percy and Annabeth’s?

Anyways, there’s my extremely long take on TSaTS. I know it seems like i had a lot of negative things to say about it, but i actually really liked the book overall. Did it have questionable writing choices and weird moments of characterization? yeah a little bit. but i still enjoyed it so much! Absolutely feel free to disagree with me, i’m actually really curious to see what other people thought of the book!!

[sio-lokistiel]

Jack is fine. Not a damn thing wrong with him. Only people too attached to tragedy, or not understanding his arc. Sweetpea is SPN’s version of Phanes.

Learning is fun!

[mask131]

Hey, you all who make Greek mythology posts and videos and whatnot. Could you... stop treating "Protogenoi" as if it was some sort of clear-cut category of Greek mythology?

I don't know through who or when the whole "Oh yeah, Protogenoi is a definitive character-class of Greek mythology" began. I suspect it might have something to do with the Theoi website - which a LOT of person are using as a resource. But it definitively was popularized by the Percy Jackson fandom...

Olympian is a "category" of gods in Greek mythology, recognized both in religion and in poetry/fiction. It designates the gods that dwell on Olympus - twelve in its most limited acception, but many more if you extend it. Titan is also a specific "category", a denomination that isn't given randomly and whose exact meaning is debated (what is its etymology? Why were they named that way?), but it is the name the previous generation of gods before the Olympians received.

"Protogenoi"? Protogenoi is just putting a cap on an adjective that means "The first-borns". It is not a proper name. And I think I should insist on first bornSSSS because "protogenoi" is a plural, so stop using it as a singular. It isn't even a proper qualificative, because sometimes "protogenoi" is never used, other time you have "protogenos" as the qualificative of just ONE god. It is literaly just a broad and vast adjective to mean "they were the first gods". There isn't any official list like the Olympians or the Titans.

There is not, in Greek religion, or even in Greek poetry, a clear definition or any exact limit as to what a "protogenos" is - IF the term is even used! Because, unlike Olympians or Titans or Nereids or Oceanids, it is NOT an actual "religious terminology" or "mythological terminology". Look at all the encyclopedias of Greek mythology before the early 2010s, look at all the lists of Greek gods written during the 20th century... There will be talks of "primordial gods", of "elderly gods", of "first gods" - but you will see nobody using "Protogenoi" with a cap to make them equal to Olympians or Titans. That's... that's not how Greek mythology works.

Honestly, you can just use "primordial gods", it works the same.

And in general people have been completely taking qualifications of the Greek gods out of their context... Like "Chthonian gods". People treat it as if it was a specific clan or family of gods which... is not correct? "Chthonian" was an important religious and mythological concept in Ancient Greece - they literaly invented the adjective - but it was not like the Olympians or the Titans? It was a much broader category - it is literaly the same way you have "sea gods" and "sky gods". Chthonian gods are just the deities below the earth, and of the underworld... Not even of death sometimes (as many like to say), just below-the-earth, literaly "under the world", as opposed to celestial entities. (It is such a broad category that it can be used in other mythologies, and it has been used as such by researchers, archeologists and other historians of religion... Osiris is a chthonian power, a chthonic god! Though after that we enter the whole debate of "Should we use Greco-Roman terms like pantheon to designate gods of other cultures?")

Yes there are specific, clear-cut "groups" in Greek mythology. Clans and families and siblinghoods of gods. Nereids and Oceanids and Olympians and Titans and the Anemoi... But there are other groups which are not as integral to the Greek religion/myths or as clear cut as people seem to believe they are. "Sky gods", "earth gods", "sea gods", "primordial gods" are present as vague groups in Greek mythology but please stop treating them as if they had a distinction as important as the Aesir and Vanir. Greek mythology isn't just one big list or a big catalogue filled with neatly numbered boards. Where is the limit between a minor god and a daemon? Who knows! Not all Olympians are celestial gods: take Poseidon! And some gods literaly break all the established boundaries: for example Hekate, so beloved by everybody here - chthonian and celestial all at the same time!

[phaneseros]

Do you have any resources for more information on phanes? Or adjacent to the orphic myths?

I mostly go through Theoi and look up translations, interpretations, etc on Jstor or in my campus library.

Here's a few I had saved:

The Toys of Dionysos

Early Orphism & Kindred Movements

A New Ritual of the Orphic Mysteries

Sky, Sex, and Sun

Hecataeus and Xenophanes

A Phallus Hard to Swallow

Orpheus' Erotic Mysteries

Dionysiaca

One of these mentions its difficult to tell the difference between "Orphic" mysteries and "Dionysian" mysteries, so I also suggest looking at Dionysian mysteries. Phanes is sometimes the Primordial Eros, as well as the first incarnation of Zagreus and Dionysus. Usually Primordial Eros as Primordial Sex is a separate entity from the child of Aphrodite in Orphism, Theoi labels them as Protogenos Eros and Younger or Ouranios Eros.

Another, different paper from this list also mentions that Orphic mysteries are not necessarily self-described as such, so looking into what exactly makes something "Orphic" (cosmology, theo-geneology, etc) can be helpful.

Hope that helps !

[santoschristos]

Phanes – The God of Creation And New Life Phanes is the god of proliferation and new life. He was hatched from the cosmic egg and created the world as it came to be. A dual deity of light and goodness, Phanes is a vague figure in Greek Mythology. His symbols are the egg, the serpent and the zodiac circle.Phanes’ OriginsBased on the Orphic Tradition, before the beginning of conscience and existence, Chronos (Time) created the cosmic egg, out of which emerged a deity with large golden wings on his back, wearing a helmet on his head and bearing an obscure serpent around his body.

His name was Phanes Protogonos (First-Born) and he was the first deity that brought light and shaped the world. Other sources regard him as more of an abstract personification of the universe rather than an actual god, placing Nyx, The Greek primordial Goddess of Night as the first deity that came into being.Roles and ResponsibilitiesPhanes’ primary role was to beget the world and make life. After the creation, he ruled over the cosmos and paved the way for the rest of the gods to come.PHANES was the primordial god (protogenos) of creation in the Orphic cosmogony. He was the generator of life--the driving force behind reproduction in the early cosmos. Phanes was hatched from the world-egg, a primordial mix of elements split into its constituent parts by Khronos (Chronos) (Time) and Ananke (Inevitability). art: Phanes by Mahaboka

[darkspacelow]

wols and azems :)