#Persecutor alter

[symbiomycota-coll]

“Persecutors are EVIL! Don’t let your persecutors talk to me they scare me! I don’t care if they’re healing they’re a PERSECUTOR!” Kill yourself.

[ghxst-system]

yall arent fucking accepting of alters that do "abnormal" or "harmful shit"

u shame us.

fuck off.

sorry for being a persecutor

sorry this is how our brain had to cope from fucking abuse

[divinerapturesys]

i am just so angry all the time

[reimeichan]

Helping Alters with Persecutory Behavior

Persecutors are a part of the system, whether you like it or not. Trying to pretend otherwise very often results in people getting hurt and the persecutor acting out anyways. Even non-persecutors may engage in actions that are harmful or destructive. So how do you help an alter who displays persecutory behavior?

This post got pretty long, so I'm putting the things under a read more.

1. Be respectful

All alters and parts of yourself deserve respect. Respect is not bending over backwards and being nice at all moments to them, nor is it believing everything they say no matter what. Respect is merely acknowledging they have a right to exist alongside you, and with that right to existence means a right to have their own thoughts and feelings and emotions, should they have any. You don't have to agree with everything. But you should not demean or belittle them simply for existing.

2. But also, be firm

Many persecutors and alters with persecutory behavior do not understand how their behavior hurts others or even how their behavior hurts themselves. To protect yourself from further harm, it's important to stay firm with them and establish rules, guidelines, and boundaries with them.

3. Try to understand why they behave the way they do

This is a tricky one. Oftentimes, persecutors don't fully understand why they act and think the way they do. Many may even argue that they simply "enjoy hurting others" or something to that effect. Always try to dig deeper. Are they bored? Is it some form of maladaptive behavior or a trauma response? Do they not know any other way to communicate? Sometimes the alter or part may not even know the answer(s) themselves and it's important to try to explore these questions with the alter.

4. Do not force engagement with the alter, but do acknowledge their existence

This ties back into point #1 a little bit. Persecutory alters often aren't team players and don't do well being forced into doing things with other alters. However, the answer is not to ignore them in these cases, but to simply let them be. If they wish to retreat further into the headspace, let them. If they wish to be left alone but continue to be co-conscious, you can try to engage in activities they may find interesting to show that you care about them. By acknowledging their existence but also respecting their own boundaries, you are helping to establish trust between the two of you.

5. Help find healthier coping strategies and redirect unhealthy behaviors

Many alters with persecutory behavior act the way they do because they don't know how else to express their thoughts and emotions. You can help them be heard by finding ways for them to communicate in less destructive ways. If the issue is less about communication and more about coping, you can widen their coping toolbox by introducing new coping methods and strategies.

6. Be willing to listen, but don't force them to open up.

Alters will open up when they’re ready to. Trying to force persecutory alters to speak up often results in them feeling hurt, scared, frustrated, or distrustful. Establish a sense of safety by showing you are non-judgmental of their thoughts and feelings, and eventually they may open up in their own time.

7. Meet them where they're at

Not all persecutors are the same. Some like a challenge and are more willing to communicate through yelling and argument. Some would prefer for you to poke and prod as much as possible before they finally open up. Some don't want to be seen as if they're hurting or traumatized. Whatever the case may be, take any of the above as guidelines for helping persecutory parts and not as hard and fast rules.

8. Don't forget to take care of yourself

Above all else, take care of your own needs. If you're not in a situation to be able to handle a persecutor or an alter with persecutory behavior, then don't do it. If you feel tired or burnt out, take time to recuperate. Helping the other alters in your system takes time and effort. Growth and recovery don't happen overnight, after all.

[asteroid-sysblog]

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[radically-therian]

honestly, I think peak humor is that my system has deemed me as needlessly harmful and aggressive when I'm probably the only bitch here who ACTUALLY manages to follow their so-called morals of only hurting those who either consent or deserve it, and also keeping said harm to those who deserve it strictly innersystem... and the only bitch here who has the capacity to care about the consequences of our actions with other people to any extent beyond how entertaining it is to us lmao

[violentdyke]

I'm so angry at everyone and everything. I feel connected to no one. not even other cluster B's. The only way to feel alive is to be around other people but I either want to be mean or have everyone to stay the fuck away from me. I'm so unlikeable. I resent everyone and trust no one. Why am i alive.

[zeros-hell]

I truly hate the whole rhetoric of “no alter is evil! There is nich such thing as an irredeemable alter! Always forgive your persecutors!”

Because what if I am irredeemable? Does that make me unlovable? Is the fact that I will never “recover” so inconvenient to you that I’m suddenly not a person anymore? Is my right to exist revoked as soon as I do something unforgivable?

I refuse to improve, I will never change, I am a bad, evil, unforgivable, irredeemable person. But I am still a person.

Accept me for who I am or don’t pretend to accept me at all

[cherishedverses]

Toxicutor/Evilor

[pt: Toxicutor/Evilor :end pt]

Toxicutor/Evileor (ee-veil-or): a Persecutor or someone under the Persecutor umbrella that reclaim the ‘evil alter’ stereotype for whatever reason.

This term supports healing and trying to recover from persecutor related behaviors. Radqueers please do not use this term

[nikitasys]

(Kita is our host, & Jasmine our persecutor)

When I feel confident in the DID diagnosis & suddenly out of nowhere I'm convinced that I'm faking, there's a good chance Jasmine is just doing her thing lmao

- Kita, host & caretaker

[eklesia-system]

Shout-Out to our Persecutors

Shout-out to Blindeye, our newest and most classical persecutor. Very paranoid with the intention to keep a certain subgroup of alters safe, as well as trying to keep the body safe, but can run it ragged in the process. History of overstepping system boundaries due to his paranoia. Recently bought us a knife for self defense, just in case. We appreciate his protectiveness even if he does go a bit too far.

Shout-out to Xander, our child persecutor-protector. He's normally only a persecutor to some of the other kids, but recently he did affect the entire system with his personal insecurities and exotrauma for a good two months. I love him though, he's like a son to me.

Shout-out to Puppetmaster, who's more of a prankster than a persecutor if we wanna get technical. He used to be locked behind an entire subsystem but now he's free to come and go as he pleases, so long as his chapperone Mr Black is with him. He greatly enjoys causing people in the front to fumble and drop things they're holding, just for a quick laugh.

Shout-out to the Clown, who is dormant. I wish I had nice things to say about this guy but as a literal manifestation of Fear Itself, he tends to affect headmates and reshape them according to what they fear. Luc has been on the receiving end of this persecutor's actions and so has Sleet. He only has power if someone is fearing and worrying about something enough that he picks up on it and makes it reality. Our relationship with this guy might be improved if we learned to have a healthy relationship with fear, but having anxiety makes that difficult. ;_;

Shout-out to Nightshade, our former inner critic turned persecutor. She's currently dormant and has been reduced to her pre-persecutor state, known as Susan. Highly judgmental, could qualify as "the part that cringes". She'd try to control everything anyone at the front was doing and was definitely one of the promoters of an anxious mindset. We haven't really gotten to know her yet, but I'd like to should she ever come out of dormancy.

Shout-out to Derek and Sleet, who have persecutor tendencies at times, but the label doesn't really apply to either of them. Sleet sometimes feels like it does, and he definitely used to be one, but he's definitely not one now.

We don't usually give these guys much air but we've been seeing posts about persecutors recently and I wanted to give ours some shout-outs. :0

[reimeichan]

I was having a conversation with @artisticdysfunction and a few others the other day in one of the servers I'm in, and the topic of persecutors came up. And how most people see persecutors as stereotypically aggressive, edgy, rude types.

Persecutory alters can come in all shapes and sizes and behave in any way. They can be incredibly peppy and polite in a toxic positivity sort of way. They can be shy and introverted to the point they refuse to open up to anyone. They can be be friendly but reserved while in the background they mess with thoughts and memories in a way that hurts the system.

I'd argue that any alter can be a persecutor, or at least engage in persecutory actions, in different circumstances.

What's important is trying to see where these hurtful actions stem from and then trying to address the issues together, as a team. Helping each other out, listening to each other, giving each other space to express yourselves in healthy manners.

[osdd-1bitch]

(UIL, UYL)

I see a lot of arguing about the differences between persecutors and malicitors, which for the purposes of this post are different in that persecutors harm the system out of a sense of lashing out, confusion, or other situation and malicitors are genuinely malicious. The knee jerk reaction is often against the term malicitor—persecutors are often already unfairly judged and mistreated in many systems in the first place and persecutors seem far more common than malicitors (if they are an existing role in more than one system). However, malicitors, after much research, do seem to exist a non-miniscule number of times. Perhaps this is a little broad but I’ve read multiple cases of medically defined systems having persecutors who are rejected wholesale, etc etc.

It’s another case, as it happens many times, of terms and advice that don’t apply to everyone. The unfortunate truth exists that you or I may see other experiences that don’t necessarily line up to our own and make assumptions that could hurt ourselves or others. It’s not a fault of the term. The solution I propose is to not rail against malicitor as a term and demand all plurals to get in touch with their persecutors immediately and cut them some slack—through experience I know urging too eagerly can cause belligerence and reluctant attitudes—but try and encourage more accepting attitudes for every member in the system. I did also want to note somewhere that some plurals are incapable of rejecting any member.

And I don’t believe malicitors are inherently incapable of change either. Most, or at least I, associate malicitors with members who are rejected or fall dormant instead of joining the system, is that oftentimes they refuse to choose to change. That isn’t a factor in some systems at all, and they very well can change. I know a lot of hurt people will be reactive to this idea, but it’s not an impossibility. Perhaps this association itself is part of the reason for the terms bad reputation. It’s usage as a description of motivation might be more useful than its association with the varied solutions.

Ultimately, like most things, YMM. Be patient with yourselves and others.

[solarz-headmates]

H1Y4! C4n w3 h4v3 4 p3rs3cut0r pl34s3? W3 w1ll l3t y0u surpr1s3 us 0n th3 r3st!!! XD :P

Of course!

Name: Eli

Age: Ageless

Pronouns: He/They/Void/Ink/Chaos/Dark

Gender: Masc-aligned Xenogender

Role(s): Persecutor

Orientation: Aroace spec

Faceclaim:

DISCLAIMER: due to the nature of persecutor alters, by introjecting, you take full responsibility of this alter. We will not be at fault for any harm or damages the alter may cause to you or your system. - 🎀

[the-moonjay-forest-system]

Trigger warning: mentions of suicidal ideation, hints towards suicide attempts and self-harm

So it's suicide prevention month, I wanted to talk about my experience as a suicidal alter within a system. It sucks, obviously. I suppose it really sheds light on how the host is the only part that's seen as real and how any part that tries to harm them is deemed as bad. We're all parts of the same damn person the host isn't special! If I'm hurting them then I'm almost always hurting my self!

It's like there's more sympathy towards when the host is struggling with suicidal thoughts and self harm than any other alter but especially the alters who's entire purpose is to hurt the system or to end their life. I guess it's seen as worse because we'd be dragging the other alters down with us (which would happen regardless of which alter takes their life) and there's alters who aren't suicidal and who do want to live so it's selfish to take their life away? But we're all part of the same brain, people are complicated they can believe two things at once but when DID and OSDD1 come into the picture those two conflicting beliefs may be put into different alters, it's still the same thing though. I'm not an evil spirit possessing the body (well I am a ghost alter but you know what I mean) and trying to hurt the poor innocent host I'm the part that split to, in our brains twisted little way, end our life to protect us from further suffering.

The host is allowed to have suicidal thoughts, they're allowed to struggle and because they're too scared to do it themself they'll let me in. But when I do something "bad" they get to come back and be like "Yellow fronted and did this, she's so scary! What if she kills me" as if it's not what they wanted.

Systems, treat your suicidal parts better even if they're scary, even if you don't want to die because repressing and demonising them isn't gonna help. They deserve kindness and understanding just as much as any other part. And if other suicidal alters see this, I know it's hard and like how are we supposed to "get better" when we're just locked away and treaten as monsters but you're not alone and I hope things get better. And I hope anyone reading this struggling with suicidal ideation holds on a little longer. It might sound disingenuous coming from me but I really do mean it.

(Thought we'd add userboxes on alter specific posts we don't have that many saved yet so you just get this from me for now)