#Persecutor alter

[ninefoldcat]

Embrace evil alters. Yes, the antagonistic, destructive, angry ones. The ones with horrible fantasies about revenge, the ones who want to powertrip. The ones with manipulative tendencies. There’s a reason they split and exist in the system.

[hollowandcoldanddark]

persecutors can be real fucking assholes and it can be really really hard to live with one. as someone whos tried to die cause of this shit, lets talk about it a little. its getting late at night so this wont be massive.

dont abuse ur persecutors more - do you think that the "i was abused and now am acting in a harmful way" person will appreciate more continuing abuse. try not to isolate them, lock them away, etc. theres a lot of advice like "dont ever" but i understand that you dont want your life to be in danger and you probably have fucking work to do

make it inconvineitn - if persecutors are feelong a bit stabby, keep your knifes blunt. make money slightly more annoying to access. hang around people who know. make it harder for them just a bit.

learn to tune it out/make peace with it - this is really really hard depending on what theyre doing or saying but if you can and there isnt much reconciling with them then this is a good idea. try to learn to not internalise it

talk to them - if possible talk about what they want or why theyre doing this. whats pissing them off. how u can help. make jokes. introduce them to life experiences. some persecutors probably are just malicious dickhats but most are not.

maintain a relationship - keep talkingf to them. keep doing this.

dont use a conditioning style of punishment, like if you are mean to em i dont let you do a thing you like or see the sun. this can be really triggering and framer you as an enemy, a threat, or just an asshole. they are not dogs.

persecutors reading: i dont know you. your systme needs to treat you like a person. and you need to try in order for it to work. i believe in you. the future can get better but u need to be [art of that change. maybe try merge dragons that helped one of our guys

[phoenix-zip]

Hello persecutors, or whatever you choose to call your role! Friendly reminder that no matter what you believe, you aren't evil. You are not wrong for existing. You are the way you are for a reason.

Does this mean you shouldn't heal? No. Of course not. You deserve happiness. Quite often, reformed persecutors turn out to be some of a systems best caretakers and protectors, but whatever your healing journey looks like, you deserve happiness.

And to those that deal with persecutors, I know it's hard, but be patient. That is a part of you, show yourself some love. Having persecutors is not a moral failing on your part. Shit takes time.

[tunnelsnakescoll]

“Persecutors are EVIL! Don’t let your persecutors talk to me they scare me! I don’t care if they’re healing they’re a PERSECUTOR!” Kill yourself.

[crash-bang-boom-corp]

Hey, mildly specific positivity post, but...

Throwing some positivity towards systems whose pre-syscovery experience was having a "mean voice" or a cruel "voice of reason" who told you horrible things or parroted what others had told you prior. ...That voice turning out later to be an alter who you now had to learn to work with to stay functional, especially after the traumatic period passed and their role waned in necessity. Positivity to those who used to have multiple of these voices/sides.

So positivity to the alters who were that voice of hostility and then evolved. Positivity to the ones who still act like that. Positivity to the ones trying to get better. Positivity to the ones who aren't trying because they aren't ready or aren't safe yet.

Positivity to the alters who had to bear the brunt of that behavior and have rebuilt that relationship. Positivity to the ones that bore the brunt of that behavior and haven't repaired that relationship. Positivity to the ones trying to make it better and friendlier. Positivity to the ones who can't fix it yet but want to. Positivity to the ones who don't want to make it amiable.

We were maybe a third grader when we could hear an unrelenting, methodical voice that told us we were worthless. It talked to us like a second person, and that voice eventually became Chatter B. We'd taken note of it in a moment of clarity once on how odd it was to hear a voice talk to me so harshly, but not 'as' me. I called her Reason. She was the first.

She's since changed shape and form, even changed name a couple times, seemingly fused with others, fractured again, and became the now meshy orbit of around ~10 we see her as today. But I love ya, [name Redacted], you were an asshole but you kept us alive. Props for that. I'm glad we can move on now that shit's over <3

[ghost-jester-sys]

yall arent fucking accepting of alters that do "abnormal" or "harmful shit"

u shame us.

fuck off.

sorry for being a persecutor

sorry this is how our brain had to cope from fucking abuse

[movedtodrawingbythebonfire]

Dealing with a persecutor gatekeeper and something one of our records, Caller, said earlier this morning made me think for a moment.

Maple: I just… Ugh! He’s being so mean! He’s been getting increasingly more hostile every day!

Caller: You have to remember he is a persecutor. Being mean to others, even cruel and hurtful, is not outside of his nature. Erasing the memories of others for what he deems a good cause is not outside of his nature. What you’ve been doing is questioning his nature and what you’ve seen is him retaliate defensively and hostilely.

Caller: He may have gotten better for a while, but you can never get rid of his nature. He’s a persecutor. He’s allowed to slip up, get angry, hurt someone and maybe apologize later. He can’t always be a perfect, good alter or record. It’s not that he’s apathetic or doesn’t care, it’s that what he does, he thinks is for a good cause. ‘The ends justify the means’ mentality.

Caller: And a persecutor who’s clearly going through something may hurt others more often than they did before — yes, that is true in Diggs’ case — but that does not make him a bad alter or someone being manipulated by another. That simply means he’s just. having. a. bad. day.

Caller: And he’s not erased anyone’s memories yet, let’s not forget. He’s not done anything to anyone at all, actually. He’s kept himself decently behaved despite his clear struggles to do so and desire to take action. A manipulated man would have no such hesitation or resistance. He’s clearly going through something.

Maple: Well I wish he’d—

Caller: Calling for help is not as easy as picking up the phone and calling a friend to hang out. Sometimes your neighbors have to stop by and see if you’re doing okay, instead. Especially if you can’t reach out on your own.

We still don’t know what to do with the persecutor in question, but maybe Caller’s advice can help out another. Who knows.

[masquerade-flags]

Persecutory Administrator, Janusian Administrator

Persecutory Administrator - An alter that has a high degree of control over the system(or specific subsystem or layer) and system functions, that uses this power predominately to harm the system or specific alters.

Janusian Administrator - An alter that has a high degree of control over the system(or specific subsystem or layer) and system functions, that uses this power to both harm and help the system. Or the actions of a Janusian Administrator help the system in some ways and hurt the system in others.

[collectivelyjane]

Persecutor culture is having too many emotions at night to keep up with personal hygiene so the host has to buy me colgate wisps and face wipes to make sure I still keep us clean while being in control.

[ninefoldcat]

It’s okay for alters with violent urges to exist, or alters that are cruel, defensive and take sort of a „get them before they get me“ approach to life.

I think healing is also about accepting that being abused can turn us cruel. Being abused can make us crave power over other people to finally get to be the one in charge instead of being helpless and abused.

There’s no point in demonising alters with those thoughts and feelings. You’ll never outrun them anyways, they’re part of you. And these alters are often the ones who took on the most damage, that had to develop that mindset of survival and lack of empathy.

Acceptance can make that less threatening and less likely to end in escalation as well. In the end those alters also just wanna feel understood and seen like any other person on earth.

[divinerapturesys]

i am just so angry all the time

[reimeichan]

Helping Alters with Persecutory Behavior

Persecutors are a part of the system, whether you like it or not. Trying to pretend otherwise very often results in people getting hurt and the persecutor acting out anyways. Even non-persecutors may engage in actions that are harmful or destructive. So how do you help an alter who displays persecutory behavior?

This post got pretty long, so I'm putting the things under a read more.

1. Be respectful

All alters and parts of yourself deserve respect. Respect is not bending over backwards and being nice at all moments to them, nor is it believing everything they say no matter what. Respect is merely acknowledging they have a right to exist alongside you, and with that right to existence means a right to have their own thoughts and feelings and emotions, should they have any. You don't have to agree with everything. But you should not demean or belittle them simply for existing.

2. But also, be firm

Many persecutors and alters with persecutory behavior do not understand how their behavior hurts others or even how their behavior hurts themselves. To protect yourself from further harm, it's important to stay firm with them and establish rules, guidelines, and boundaries with them.

3. Try to understand why they behave the way they do

This is a tricky one. Oftentimes, persecutors don't fully understand why they act and think the way they do. Many may even argue that they simply "enjoy hurting others" or something to that effect. Always try to dig deeper. Are they bored? Is it some form of maladaptive behavior or a trauma response? Do they not know any other way to communicate? Sometimes the alter or part may not even know the answer(s) themselves and it's important to try to explore these questions with the alter.

4. Do not force engagement with the alter, but do acknowledge their existence

This ties back into point #1 a little bit. Persecutory alters often aren't team players and don't do well being forced into doing things with other alters. However, the answer is not to ignore them in these cases, but to simply let them be. If they wish to retreat further into the headspace, let them. If they wish to be left alone but continue to be co-conscious, you can try to engage in activities they may find interesting to show that you care about them. By acknowledging their existence but also respecting their own boundaries, you are helping to establish trust between the two of you.

5. Help find healthier coping strategies and redirect unhealthy behaviors

Many alters with persecutory behavior act the way they do because they don't know how else to express their thoughts and emotions. You can help them be heard by finding ways for them to communicate in less destructive ways. If the issue is less about communication and more about coping, you can widen their coping toolbox by introducing new coping methods and strategies.

6. Be willing to listen, but don't force them to open up.

Alters will open up when they’re ready to. Trying to force persecutory alters to speak up often results in them feeling hurt, scared, frustrated, or distrustful. Establish a sense of safety by showing you are non-judgmental of their thoughts and feelings, and eventually they may open up in their own time.

7. Meet them where they're at

Not all persecutors are the same. Some like a challenge and are more willing to communicate through yelling and argument. Some would prefer for you to poke and prod as much as possible before they finally open up. Some don't want to be seen as if they're hurting or traumatized. Whatever the case may be, take any of the above as guidelines for helping persecutory parts and not as hard and fast rules.

8. Don't forget to take care of yourself

Above all else, take care of your own needs. If you're not in a situation to be able to handle a persecutor or an alter with persecutory behavior, then don't do it. If you feel tired or burnt out, take time to recuperate. Helping the other alters in your system takes time and effort. Growth and recovery don't happen overnight, after all.

[fvck-around-find-out]

Bitter pill for some of you "good" alters to swallow, but some "bad" alters split because you needed someone to hate.

Some persecutors act the way that they do precisely so you'll direct your hate onto them, where it's safe, rather than anger your abuser or abuse an innocent yourself.

Maybe actually unpack why you hate that alter before you do. "But they did this or that or" yeah, maybe they fucking did. But why did they do it? Just to be a cunt? Maybe. Sometimes sure. But sometimes you need to look a little deeper and give your brain some fucking credit – it can do some messed up shit to keep you safe. Including creating an amalgamation of morally bad behaviour that you can feel good about taking your anger out on.

Except, sometimes, that amalgamation has feelings and a name and know what their job is, and don't enjoy it. They do it because it's the only way to guarantee you're not going to cuss out your abuser and get you all hurt or killed.

[no-mercy-userboxes]

𝘕𝘰 𝘔𝘦𝘳𝘤𝘺

𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘦 𝘐 𝘈𝘱𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘶𝘥 𝘊𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘻𝘪𝘵 𝘛𝘳𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘛𝘰 𝘔𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘖𝘯 𝘏𝘪𝘴 𝘖𝘸𝘯 𝘓𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 𝘉𝘭𝘰𝘨, 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥 𝘐𝘴 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘈 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘉𝘭𝘰𝘨 𝘐𝘴 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘌𝘹𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘍𝘰𝘳 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴, 𝘚𝘰 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘉𝘭𝘰𝘨 𝘐𝘴 𝘎𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘚𝘸𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘥 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘕𝘰𝘯-𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘴.

𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘔𝘢𝘺 𝘏𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘖𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘒𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘖𝘳 𝘚𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳-𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘯 𝘛𝘶𝘮𝘣𝘭𝘳 𝘈 𝘓𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘛𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘈𝘨𝘰. 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘞𝘢𝘴 𝘙𝘶𝘯 𝘉𝘺 𝘖𝘯𝘦 𝘖𝘧 𝘖𝘶𝘳 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴, 𝘙𝘺𝘦. 𝘏𝘦 𝘞𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘋𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘕𝘰 𝘖𝘯𝘦 𝘛𝘰𝘶𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘉𝘭𝘰𝘨 𝘈𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯. 𝘉𝘶𝘵 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘏𝘢𝘴 𝘚𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘉𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘈 𝘚𝘢𝘥 𝘓𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘖𝘧 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘍𝘰𝘳 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘚𝘰 𝘈 𝘓𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 𝘐𝘯 𝘖𝘶𝘳 𝘚𝘺𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘮, 𝘊𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘻𝘪𝘵, 𝘛𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘐𝘵 𝘜𝘱𝘰𝘯 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘮𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧 𝘛𝘰 𝘛𝘳𝘺 𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘔𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦…𝘖𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘛𝘰 𝘉𝘦 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘕𝘰𝘯-𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴. 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘐𝘴 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘐 𝘋𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘛𝘰 𝘚𝘵𝘦𝘱 𝘐𝘯.

𝘔𝘺 𝘕𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘐𝘴 𝘋𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘶𝘳. 𝘐 𝘈𝘮 𝘈 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘔𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘓𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘙𝘺𝘦 𝘞𝘢𝘴 𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘏𝘰𝘱𝘦 𝘛𝘰 𝘔𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘖𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 (𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘗𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴) 𝘊𝘢𝘯 𝘌𝘯𝘫𝘰𝘺. 𝘔𝘺 𝘉𝘭𝘰𝘨 𝘐𝘴 𝘌𝘹𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘍𝘰𝘳 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘖𝘧 𝘈𝘭𝘭 𝘒𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘛𝘰 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘛𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘰𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘛𝘰 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘮𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘷𝘦𝘴.

𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘯𝘰 𝘋𝘕𝘐 𝘈𝘴 𝘐 𝘉𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘉𝘭𝘰𝘨𝘴 𝘚𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘈𝘴 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘈𝘳𝘦 𝘈 𝘙𝘦𝘴𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘤𝘦 𝘈𝘭𝘭 𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘏𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘈𝘤𝘤𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘛𝘰. 𝘌𝘯𝘥𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘤 𝘏𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘗𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘙𝘢𝘥𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘦𝘳𝘴, 𝘔𝘢𝘺 𝘈𝘭𝘭 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘑𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘈𝘴 𝘔𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘈𝘴 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘕𝘦𝘹𝘵 𝘎𝘶𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘯 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘈𝘯𝘵𝘪-𝘌𝘯𝘥𝘰, 𝘈𝘯𝘵𝘪-𝘙𝘢𝘥𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘦𝘳 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴. 𝘐 𝘋𝘰 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘍𝘰𝘳 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘚𝘵𝘶𝘱𝘪𝘥, 𝘔𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘋𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦.

𝘐 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘛𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘴, 𝘉𝘶𝘵 𝘐 𝘞𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘗𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘈𝘴𝘬𝘴. 𝘐 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘗𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘜𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘰𝘹𝘦𝘴 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘈𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘒𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘐𝘵 𝘞𝘢𝘴 𝘈 𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘖𝘳 𝘖𝘧 𝘔𝘺 𝘖𝘸𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘉𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘐 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘉𝘦 𝘚𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘈𝘴𝘬𝘴, 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘐𝘴 𝘕𝘰 𝘕𝘦𝘦𝘥 𝘍𝘰𝘳 𝘈𝘯𝘰𝘯 𝘛𝘰 𝘉𝘦 𝘖𝘯. 𝘈𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘺𝘮𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘈𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘏𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘉𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘛𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘖𝘧𝘧.

𝘙𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘴: 𝘖𝘱𝘦𝘯

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hey chat, did you know that taking away a persecutor's only reason for behaving behind his back is a really bad idea :)