#Obey me Nightbringer theory

[alexxncl]

‼️NIGHTBRINGER LESSON 34 SPOILERS‼️

masterlist | all lessons | season 2 | lesson 33 | lesson 35

i might be getting ahead of myself here, but are we lilith ?? like is that what's happening rn ??? he's not saying mc's name, and raphael doesn't day their name in the next scene...if so then that's actually really fucking sad 💀

it makes sense though, belphie not wanting mc to go into his head bc he's still clinging to the past and doesn't want to lose them forever like he lost his little sister forever, especially since human life is so finite compared to that of a demon or an angel or a reaper

also it's obvious by his choice of words that despite him looking older, belphie is very, very young in his mindscape, just like mammon was. i feel like this also shows how close mams and belphie are even if it's not shown much on screen in the game, or at least how much belphie takes after mammon's, if not all of his older brothers traits, for better or worse

well nvm...i still think my theory is valid though. belphie wants to go back to his old life and end up not losing lilith, but still have mc with him

i wonder how similar mammon and belphie's bond in the celestial realm is to their bond in the devildom. is belphie still as reluctant to ask for help and advice openly? is the banter still the same? are there less insults? how does the age gap here cause them to treat each other differently if at all? or the lack of angelic status?

oh i'm gonna cry

big brother mammon will always have my heart and i need more of him

we know belphie's love of stars and constellations and the night sky in general started when he was in the celestial realm, and seeing it manifest in mammon in his mindscape makes my heart happy, even if mammon isn't the reason he became interested in astronomy (was it michael? lucifer? idk i don't remember)

i also think it's very interesting how belphie's brain is actively working against him "wanting to hide from mc". he literally said "i don't want you to see the inside of my mind" and is hiding away from them. i think, in reality and in his mindscape, he's running from the fact that he has to face his feelings about the idea of mc leaving to go to the "human realm" and the possibility of losing them forever like he lost lilith

this was (obviously) not beel speaking, but his inner thoughts in the shape and voice of beel. circling back to belphie having the best and worst traits of his brothers, his insecurity and need for reassurance rivals levi's, and we don't get to see it as blatantly because he masks it way better than levi does

ok so we're here in the timeline...interesting. how much time passed between luci and dia's first meeting and the celestial war? how much time had passed between the celestial war and mc's initial arrival to the devildom? how much had belphie aged?

angels and demons age different than humans do, and belphie doesn't feel any older than like...10 or 11 at the most, but beel seems older than that. maybe its his mind warping things to make himself seem and feel younger, but maybe he really was that young. was lilith even born at this point? how old was belphie during the time of the war ?????

also i'm mad we didn't get to see michael bc i wanna know what he looks like but oh well 🧍🏾

oh baby :((((

i'm not the biggest belphie fan AT ALL, at least canon belphie, but i think it's necessary to acknowledge how his trauma severely affects the way he acts. he went from blaming himself, to blaming an entire race of people for his sister's death. he feels like he should've been the one to die, even if it meant leaving his twin without him

now, if he got a proper redemption arc after lesson 16, THEN we could talk. i think the devs fumbled his character in that regard, but my hcs about his redemption will have to suffice for now

he didn't want mc to see this dark part of himself because he hates that he still has this mindset, that he's trapped in a cycle of "what ifs" and wishing it were him instead of her, constantly ruminating and letting his anger and grief fester without ever dealing with it properly and letting himself heal. he not only thinks he doesn't deserve to heal, but that he doesn't deserve to live long enough to see himself heal, that he doesnt deserve to live at all

WHY ARE YOU BEING DIFFICULT????

i mean i knew this would happen since its only lesson 34 and there's still 6 more to go...but damn

i love and hate the fact that he's so smart. like, they could easily just ask barbatos to send them back to the human realm if it was that serious. he's clearly taken a liking to them. lucifer knows something's up, and he won't forge a pact with them until he gets to the bottom of whatever's going on

initially, i thought it was a spell to bring them back since he'd been the one facilitating the trips into the brothers' mindscapes this whole time, but this is wayyy more interesting

i feel like the barbatoses communicate across timelines, or that their lives intermingle with each others' somehow, so whatever they feel for one person in a specific timeline is felt for ever version of them in every timeline. we know barbatos, at the very least, knows that kayden is an important person in the grand scheme of things, whether it be because of the way diavolo feels about them or because they play a large part in the obey me version of a canon event

if it's more than base level importance, we can assume that there's a level of trust and love that barbatos feels for mc that stretches across time (callback to the login screen's dialogue)

maybe he gave us the piece of the grimoire for a reason outside of belphie's mindscape escapades. what if this is how we gain lucifer's trust? if a demon as powerful as barbatos can give mc a piece of his grimoire, then he should be able to make a pact with them, seeing as they're trustworthy enough to be in cahoots with THE time demon

anyways barbatos is nightbringer and you can't tell me otherwise. unless you think it's michael. then i might hear you out...i'm stuck between thinking either of them is the titular character simply because of the simultaneous lack and abundabce of emphasis on michael's importance

[louisfruit]

About my last post: I think Lucifer makes comments that seem yandere about how MC couldn't leave him if they tried as a defense mechanism. He hates how vulnerable MC makes him and how they could easily hurt him by leaving so he tries to take control of the situation by acting controlling. The man is afraid of getting hurt

[nerdy-talks]

Obey Me! Nightbringer Theory

I might be wrong about this, but I wonder if Solomon was born around the start of the Bubonic Plague.

He is centuries old. And judging by what Thirteen said :

It's a possibility, at least.

There's also other info that has been revealed in this chapter and previous ones that makes me question this theory. Such as where Solomon grew up, his childhood, etc.

Not to mention Barbatos is the one who brought him from the human world, and according to Thirteen, Solomon looked like he was on the verge of death. So much so that Barbatos helped nurse him back to health.

That would mean Barbatos and Solomon would have met during a time when the Bubonic Plague was killing millions of people, right?

Which leads me to this :

It would explain (at least partially) why Barbatos is so disgusted by rats/mice/rodents!

I'm also curious about the details surrounding the pact Solomon made with Barbatos. I have multiple theories, like maybe Barbatos agreed to save Solomon from death for whatever reason or maybe Solomon summoned Barbatos to take him someplace safe... There's just so many possibilities, and I'm super interested for more information to be revealed

[vinnsimp]

⚠︎⚠︎OBEY ME AND OBEY ME NIGHTBRINGER SPOILERS!⚠︎⚠︎

(btw ik MC differs between people but am just using the canon one)

Okay so

Barbatos is probably Nightbringer. He can control time and is self-aware (i think that's canon?) and in the trailer after showing Nightbringer n stuff he was shown like shhing us. And Solomon was the one talking n stuff (pretty sure) so. As we already know Solomon has some type of deal or sum with Nightbringer. And Solomon said that MC disappeared in the present but when we go back to the present it's like nothing happened. And Solo said Barbatos sent him back in time. Which may be a lie idk probably not. I highly doubt Solomon could go so far back in time. He has a pact with Barbatos so he could control him n stuff. Maybe when MC and Solo came back Barbatos took everyone's memory or sum??? Maybe idk. Also, when Diavolo is questioning us abt sending us home if you choose the "The future." option when Diavolo asks where we're from, Barbatos says something. Not Solomon, Barbatos. So that's really sus. Solomon doesn't say anything at all abt it actually.

And Simeon. Simeon is sus asf. Didn't really think abt him until i saw a post abt him being Nightbringer. It was a really good theory with great evidence but it also doesn't make full sense. But he is definitely suspicious. Cuz in one of the chats between Solo and Simeon, Solo says sum abt how he used to live with MC. Well. He responded with "really? When?" or sum along those lines am too lazy to look. But yeah. And Solo answered "Like.. A really long time ago?" or sum like that. (again, too lazy to look)

Everyone knows no one knew MC before the exchange program and MC didn't even know demons or magic existed, so yeah. And if he did remember all the past in NB he would've remember MC. Cuz i don't think MC changed a lot besides using a demon form. And someone probably told Simeon abt MC having the ring of light while explaining what happened to MC when we fell into a coma.

AND if you have Solo as the character on your homescreen he says sum abt how Simeon being there in the past is weird n stuff.

There is so much more abt this but i can barely think rn for sum reason so this is all now. Maybe when we get new lessons i'll talk abt it again :3

But then it's weird abt Solo saying iz weird that Simeon is here n stuff...

UGH THIS STUFF IS SO CONFUSING-

Also some of this may just be cuz Solomare doesn't really stick to their lore so.. :D

Also i apologize abt any grammer mistakes or if sum doesn't make sense😔

[renstears]

Nightbringer theories (Obey Me; SPOILERS!)

Alrighty so I decided to play Nightbringer after being scared of it for the past few weeks; so far, I have some questions and theories in mind. I’m still on Lesson 8 so I’m not sure if most of my theories here are gonna be right or just straight up wrong.

Questions & Theories:

- Since Solomon came with us to the past (or more like came to the past to come aid for our ass), wouldn’t there be a chance the Solomon from THAT timeline/past meet the present Solomon we know of? Wouldn’t this create a whole time paradox….?

- Lilith’s body got disappeared by Diavolo so that she can get reincarnated as a human; would there be a chance we get to see her reincarnated form at least if we don’t see her angel form? Also, reminder that Lucifer is the only brother who knows she got reincarnated, so most likely the other 6 brothers will have a huge fucking melt down like last time in the previous Obey Me game.

- When the game first started, we hear Solomon narrating a bit about Barbatos and this human Barbatos went to. Solomon used they/them pronouns for the human, at first, I thought it might be us/MC—but then it occurred to me, why would the devs only now reveal our/MC’s appearance and the timeline that Barbatos met this human must’ve been a very very long time. Either 1. They used they/them pronouns for the human to keep their identity hidden until revealed later on 2. The human is either one of our ancestors/related to Lilith’s reincarnated form or 3. This human might be a Biblical figure from the Bible; if you go to the official Obey Me Instagram; they illustrated Barbatos controlling a puppet that looks like a king (some speculated the king is David as he is the father of Solomon).

- In another illustration made by the official Obey Me cast on Instagram, it shows Diavolo gesturing to a red apple. Either this is indicating he was the one that lured Eve to eat the apple and regretted that decision which is the reason why he decided to improve his behaviors later in life.

- Man when I heard Raphael’s voice during Asmo’s arc I thought it was Adam, but nvm, it wasn’t. We may see Adam in the story though, like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, Adam was Lilith’s ex husband, so I don’t doubt that the devs would add an element of it to the story.

- There isn’t much information about Barbatos in demonology and from mythologies, but it's ironic that from said mythologies, Barbatos has the ability to reconcile arguments between friends/rulers but he seems to have this heavy dislike towards Solomon and refuses to speak about it. I seriously wonder what Solomon did bc this man fucking forgot what he even did to the butler.

- While I was doing research on Barbatos, I stumbled upon this (credits to Myths and Folklore wiki editors!) according to the The Infernal Dictionary (a book of demonology). This is stated about Barbatos:

"Barbatos, great and powerful demon, count-duke in the underworld, a type of Robin Hood; he is shown in the form of an archer or a hunter; He is found in forests. Four kings sound the horn in front of him. He's acquired the knowledge to divine the speaking of birds, the roar of bulls, dogs barking and screaming various animals. He knows the locations of buried treasures, say magicians. He reconciles quarreled friends. This demon, who was once of the order of Virtues of Heaven or that of dominions, is reduced today to commanding thirty hellish legions. He knows the past and the future."

I personally don't think in the game, Barbatos is an angel (or maybe he is an angel but man's disappeared for so long everyone forgot him and my guy turned into a demon afterwards/hj). It'll be interesting to see his lore and how the devs wrote his backstory. In mythologies, he's illustrated looking like Robin Hood, so maybe Barbatos (in the game) went to the human to give them justice??? Take my theories with a pinch of salt.

And that's all I can think of, I'll make more theories as I continue playing in my free time.

[misc-obeyme]

OKAY I’m back on my theory bullshit. Spoilers for all the things below.

I was thinking about this post I wrote forever ago about how I thought we were dealing with past!Solomon rather than present!Solomon.

I also had a theory that there were two Solomons since he seemed to be inexplicably changing his outfits for no reason. (I didn't put that one in the masterlist and I admit that I didn't go looking for it lol. It's on my blog somewhere, possibly in one of my lesson related rants.)

And THEN I was thinking nah it has to be that these are all the same characters from the present & they’ve just had their memories erased.

Barbatos knows what’s going on. That seems plain enough to me.

Isn’t it possible that being eighth on the list was just an excuse? Because he can’t tell MC the true reason for his anger. So he's doing it for MC's sake and to keep up appearances? It doesn't really matter, though, 'cause this post ain't about him lol.

I still think my original theory about Solomon might be right, but there are a couple other things I think might be happening.

MASSIVE DISCLAIMER: I love Solomon. I always have, I always will. I don't mind if other people don't like him, I totally get it. We all have characters we don't like. But I just wanted to be clear, it's all good either way and I think everyone's opinion is valid. <3

Scenario One: We really did go back in time and this really is a past version of all the characters. Events are now being changed due to MC's presence.

Scenario Two: We're in a simulation of the past, these are all the same present characters, but with their memories wiped. This is why events are happening differently than how they did before.

Scenario Three: None of the characters are real and the whole thing is a simulation and MC has been in a coma all along.

I don't really think it's that last one, but man if that turns out to be it, I will be so angry.

Anyway, I think we're either dealing with past!Solomon who knows stuff because he knows Nightbringer and/or because he used Barb's powers to look into the future to learn about MC (see my original post for more about that) OR we're dealing with someone disguising themselves as Solomon part of the time (thus the changing outfits).

There has to be a reason why they showed us that hard lesson where Michael took on Raphael's entire appearance to travel to the Devildom himself. (Though I admit the reason could just have been about Michael and nothing to do with trying to showcase how identities can be misleading.)

If characters can do that, who's to say that isn't what Nightbringer's been doing all along?

And I can't imagine who Nightbringer would pretend to be other than Solomon, the one who knows the most about what's happening, the one who's currently closest to MC, the one who could actually influence how things go at this point.

I'M JUST SAYING.

This nonsense has been stewing in my brain since April. I'm so annoyed, I just wanna know what happens so I don't have to think about it anymore, even if it's a terrible resolution that I hate lol.

Anyway, that's it. I just needed to rant about it for a minute. I'm gonna go back to fic writing now. It's much healthier for my mental state.

[yuki-the-sheep]

Hi grandma!

[shadow-ren]

Obey Me: Nightbringer

SPOILERS FOR OBEY ME: NIGHTBRINGER LESSONS 11 - 12 ( Normal and Hard Modes), and Devilgram Stories

It is nearly 2 am, so the best time to brainstorm.

Who is Nightbringer?

Spoilers and Theory under cut

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Let's just throw this out there for one - Nightbringer is a demon. They even say it when you question what their intentions are.

It is more than likely not Michael and has nothing to do with him as well just from Nightbringer being a demon. At this point in time, demons and angels are not on the best of terms since an all-out war could break out at any moment. It's a reason why Diavolo wanted to send MC back to the human world. It is dangerous enough that the Devildom took in the brothers that fell and if word got out what Diavolo did for Lilith, then it is on sight for sure. There is no going back. There are also points from the OG! Game.

But I digress, Nightbringer is hinted at more of being Barbatos than anyone else. From the opening scenes, Barbatos' time and space-bending abilities and other variables come into play that make the most sense. Barbatos is a horrifyingly powerful demon. That fact seems to go over a lot of players' heads since it is a game. The fact remains, he can bend space and time to his fucking will. He can go back and forth in time as much as he wants and he admits to doing.

This is from the Devilgram - Tea Time With You, a UR+ card that you have to obtain the pieces for in the lessons. This card dropped a bombshell and gave us foreshadowing. Barbatos plays butler for atonement.

This lets us glimpse into more of his personality. He did not care for others completely contradicting to what we saw from Day One. His exact words are "I never thought to think twice about the feelings of others I met along the way. I had zero interest in any of the beings I met along the way, nor in how my actions may or may not affect them." So why does he feel the need to atone? What did he do?

Well, when you ask him what he did -

He knows. He absolutely knows who you are. He is just keeping his mouth shut as usual and letting the MC do their usual crackhead energy bullshit.

There are several things we know about Nightbringer -

1. They are a demon.

2. They have foresight.

3. They have been around for a long time.

4. They have connections to the Demon King lineage and Solomon

5. They appear kind.

There are probably more that I am missing and others are more than welcome to point them out, but these are the ones I can think of and they all point to one demon specifically.

Barbatos.

He is older than dirt, has connections to the demon king lineage and Solomon, can see past and future, is a fucking demon, and is very good at keeping up appearances.

Edit: Also wanted to add that it is also that mistake that might have led to Barbatos making a pact with Solomon since I still don't understand why he would want or need to make a pact with Solomon.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

[impish-ivy]

Beel’s Secret

Spoilers for Nightbringer Lesson 9 onward!

A theory of Beel’s possible involvement in the death of Lilith

Belphie mentions that both of them feel guilty about Lilith’s death and that Beel blames himself.

Ok we already know this, why mention it?

Because if Belphie already knows about Beel’s guilt then how could it be something he’s never told him?

Beel’s potential involvement in Lilith’s death

The only reason I could see Beel hiding anything from Belphie is if he’s afraid of how’d he react. Belphie mentions in his talk with you in Lesson 10 that all he can think about when he’s alone is who’s to blame for what happened. Obviously we know he blames himself and this manifested into a hatred of humans. But Beel may be afraid of this hatred being projected onto him, and with his own guilt it’d make sense that if he had any part in Lilith’s death, he’d keep it a secret. Sometimes we don’t tell our loved ones things because we’re afraid they may judge us, even if deep down we know they never would. The mind is a our greatest prison, after all.

Some potential answers

The least interesting answer is that he never told Belphie but because of their twin telepathy he knows how Beel feels. It feels super counterintuitive to have the others discuss things that weren’t explored in ObeyMe only to have Beel talk about something we’ve been aware of since season 1. So this answer is not only uninteresting it seems very unlikely.

A more interesting theory is that Beel had a direct impact on Lilith’s decision to save her human lover. Like…oh I don’t know, recommending the idea of using celestial fruit that could be used to save her lover. Food has always been Beel’s thing so it would make sense for him to offer up a healing food for Lilith. He also has a strong urge to protect his loved ones, and if someone you loved came up to you to devastated that their lover is dying, you’d wanna help them.

We know the fruit she used is most likely an apple as Belphie has an open hatred for them. And while it could be just someone not liking a food, he seems to take personal offense to the apples mere presence.

Beel has been mentioned twice now that he was in the human realm the day before the Celestial War. What could he have been doing down there?

Beel was down in the human realm running an errand for Michael. Which is very strange given Beel was a Cherub, an angel who guarded the Celestial Realm’s gates. So it’s very odd that he’s been sent down into the human realm. Even more so because he was gone for several days.

Something to note is that we have no idea where Lilith was the day before the war. She’s never mentioned probably because they’re still grieving so she’s most likely hanging out in the human realm with her dying lover.

My Theory

So then what was Beel tasked with in the human realm?

My personal theory is that he’s been sent to find Lilith. Obviously he’s wouldn’t be looking for her under the pretense of punishing her. He would just know that Michael wishes to talk with her, which wouldn’t be too unusual.

Anyways that’s my theory!!

I hope they do something interesting with this set up as Beel deserves it

[fluffy-sheep-isekai]

Lesson 14 and the Rose Queen

Spoilers for the New Lesson 14

So during our latest lesson, we had a few more pieces of lore drop about the Devildom's past. I am gonna ramble a bit about it and how I feel it relates to a minor OG Obey Me character.

According to Diavolo, before the Devildom became the Devildom, it was ruled by a Fairy King, until they were put to sleep by having them ingest the blood of demon (who was apparently became the first Demon King) via trickery. As an aside, the lore tibit from the OG game about the Devildom starting as a primordial forest, personally is making sense if it was once Fairy Land. Anyway, the Fairy King was deposed and the realm became known as the Devildom. But what happened to all the fairies afterwards? In the OG game, some were encountered in the forests of the Human World, and they were said to be rare in recent times. However, could any of the known characters in the OG game or Nightbringer be fairies? I think yes, namely the Rose Queen. Quick breakdown, the Rose Queen is a character that appears in the two "Dame" events on the OG Obey Me game. What we know is she is a friend of Diavolo, and prior to the first event she featured in had a fear of male demons (then there was plot and character development and she became more comfortable). She is also known for her roses and has some degree of popularity in the Devildom. We are not told much else about her past, or if she is a demon or a sorceress or anything else. And now we are told that the lands of the Devildom were once ruled by fairies. And now entirely new option has become a lot more viable. To be entirely honest, I have had half-formed headcanon for the Rose Queen being linked to faeries long before the latest lesson, and I am quite happy I have been given a bone of sorts. As for the Rose Queen herself, I don't think there will be a third event with her, as long as the OG game is running (due to shared events). But I do wonder if we will encounter her in Nightbringer.

[alexxncl]

‼️NIGHTBRINGER LESSON 36 SPOILERS‼️

masterlist | more theories | lesson 36

i'm calling it now, this is how he became immortal | this is also why back in season 1 of nb (i think) thirteen said that his soul wasn't as shiny as mc's anymore. it was corrupted by whatever he saw or whoever he met in the underworld

i'm wondering if this has something to do with lilith, like there's no way she's not connected to solomon in the slightest

i've said this before, but now i have more context. maybe he's the human she fell for, and he was looking for a way to turn both of them immortal after her fall from grace, but he ended up being too late to get back to her. maybeor maybe he wasn't her lover, but her son, trying to save his mother death? him becoming a sorcerer in the first place might have something to do with healing whatever illness or disease lilith could've had. maybe time moves differently in the underworld depending on how deep you go? maybe he was so corrupted by what he saw that he didn't realize how long he was in the underworld for

not only did his soul dampen because of his underworld granted immortality, but because he lost the very person he was trying to give the immortality to, someone he loved more than he loved himself, and he blames himself for not just one of her deaths, but both of them

there's no way he's telling the whole truth. he didn't mention his experience with the lower levels at all, if he was alive enough or of sound enough mind to remember them

[louisfruit]

Wait in the bogeyman arc it turned into light when mimicking god so if god is light that would explain why its always day in the celestial real and always dark in develdome (with human real in between) like God's light literally doesn't reach them

[nerdy-talks]

Obey Me! Nightbringer Lesson 40 Spoilers

I have read through all of Lesson 40, including in the Hard section.

And in the Hard section, it is shown that we have returned to the House of Lamentation.

But are we really supposed to believe that our return to the present/future is met with just a simple “hey, welcome home”?

I don’t know about you, but I think the devs could have easily written at least one full Lesson just celebrating our return, spending time with the brothers, explaining everything that we’ve been through in the past, etc.

Personally, I would love to see Lucifer just calmly telling Solomon “you’re lucky you brought them back home in one piece” and Solomon responding with “haha, is that a threat? Well don’t worry. I’d never let anything happen to my adorable apprentice. Anyway, we had quite the adventure. We even lived together.” just to try and piss Lucifer off. I love their little rivalry/feud when it comes to MC lol xD

And I mean, okay… Levi cried when he saw us and said it felt like we haven’t been there in so long. And Asmo agreed after hugging us.

But!

Are we truly back home?

There are so many theories and possibilities that I’ve been thinking about.

What if what we’re actually being shown is an alternate reality created by Nightbringer?

We haven’t seen or heard anything about Nightbringer for quite a while, so I’m highly skeptical that he just went away. In fact… I think he has a major role in everything going on right now. Why else would the devs introduce him in the first place?

Also, why wasn’t Solomon with us when we “returned” to the House of Lamentation?

It’s suspicious.

On the same note, what if Nightbringer has just intercepted our return home to show us “someplace we will be happy”, as he has said he could show us. It would explain why Solomon isn’t there (which begs the question : if this is the case, where is Solomon? Has the time travel been paused somehow and he’s temporarily unaware of what’s going on? Has he been returned home without us? Is he somewhere else within this new reality?)

Or what if we really are back home, and Lucifer is the only one who knows/remembers that we were missing (like, what if his brothers were losing it because it was taking so long for us to return, so he erased/altered their memories of all the time we weren’t there?)

OR!!! I know this is just me leaning into the whole “yandere Solomon” thing, but imagine if we are in a different reality where the brothers are just friendly towards us. No romantic feelings or love or anything like that.

I mean… Solomon did mention :

Side note on this silly, unrealistic theory : imagine Solomon working together with Nightbringer to make this happen.

Putting all of my dark fantasies aside, though!

I’m also super curious about Barbatos. Before we left, he dropped this on us :

He may not have given us any direct knowledge/information, but that's a big enough hint to convince me that he knew damn well we were from the future.

And if that’s the case… why would Barbaros allow us to be sent off to any place except back to where we came from? Unless he didn’t predict Nightbringer being involved?

I don’t know, though… I’m still super interested to find out more about Nightbringer and how/if he’s connected to Barbatos and Solomon.

I need more! *screams*

In all seriousness… I really hope there will be many more Lessons for us to look forward to, and that we'll get more direct answers soon ^^

[moonstrumpet]

“My love for you transcends time” ~Barbatos, The Nighbringer..

UGHH IVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SO LONG.. i’ve been coloring it and coloring it over and over so i gave up and decided to post it.

[misc-obeyme]

Okay I have a Nightbringer theory and I just need to write it down before I explode.

Massive spoilers, so putting it all below the cut!

What if the Solomon we're dealing with is the Solomon from the past?

I feel like they made it a point to show us that Solomon can force Barbatos to do things even when he doesn't want to. That time in the labyrinth where he agreed to get rid of the spider, but wouldn't open a portal, Solomon essentially commanded him to do it anyway. And he did.

Barbatos has also talked about being able to look into the future. Like not necessarily traveling there, but seeing what it holds or looking at various timelines and options.

So what if Barbatos is angry at Solomon because Solomon forced him to use his power to look into the future (or even straight up send him there). And Solomon saw enough about the brothers and MC to pretend that he is from the future, too. And he did it because he knew that Nightbringer would be bringing MC back to the past. He clearly knows Nightbringer, so it's possible he was aware that this was going to happen. And I very much believe that Barbatos knows MC is from the future, even if he hasn't said anything about it either way.

I think this might be the case because in the last lesson Solomon talked a lot about MC siding with humanity. Like he's preparing for a war that's somehow gonna happen between humans and angels/demons. Why would he care about that when in the future, the three worlds have made such progress when it comes to accepting each other? I mean, he knows that in the future, Diavolo and the brothers all love MC and consider them a representative for all of humanity. So surely they already see humans as equals?

I also thought that Solomon from the future respected the brothers and considered them friends. So why would he be looking for their grimoire? Why would he want that kind of power over them? Is it really because he thinks they're going to have to fight? He's also gotta know that MC wouldn't side with humanity against the demon brothers who are like their family now, right?

However, if this is past Solomon, he either didn't get enough information from the future or he's following his own agenda that's meant to directly change the past in his favor?

I also highly suspect that Michael is Nightbringer (as others have pointed out, there's the thing with the trumpets and also all the things Solomon said to him). And we know that Michael gave Solomon the Ring of Wisdom, though we don't know when or how or why.

I dunno, I hope I'm wrong because I really don't want Solomon to be the enemy here. And I know I said previously that I can't doubt him anymore, but that is no longer the case. The more I think about it, the more suspicious he seems! I'm sorry, Solomon, I love you and I hope I'm wrong D:

(Also I'm sure I'm not the first person to come up with this thought. It just keeps pestering me so I had to write it down somewhere lol.)

[devildomwriter]

THINGS THAT WENT UNANSWERED AND MY THEORIES

Why is Diavolo’s dad asleep? Where is he?

• In the game he went into a deep slumber in the bottom layer of the Devildom shortly after the brothers arrived

• I believe this slumber has something to do with age, state of mind, but most importantly the brothers and their extreme power. It brought immediately destabilization of power between the realms and I believe he may have granted his powers between the brothers when he named them—thus enhancing their sins (he split them between the brothers) as a demon without serious power or sin he may be resting to restore this energy over time or to stop the power imbalance that could threaten a war with the Celestial Realm.

What was the event that made Diavolo wish for peace between the three realms?

• In season one Diavolo tells MC that long ago something made him realize that there should be peace between the three worlds. MC supporting Diavolo in the past isn’t an answer as Diavolo already had this idea before meeting them and even before meeting Lucifer.

• I believe that one of the many wars between the Devildom and Celestial Realm happened within Diavolo’s life. The horrors of war are not exclusive to humans, a young idealistic demon like Diavolo would be traumatized into ensuring nothing like this happens in the future. It is mentioned in game that it was his father who first asked for a truce between the Celestial Realm and Devildom but it’s likely Diavolo was still alive in this time period and a war could have happened before all of this.

Will Simeon become an angel again?

• In the final lesson of Nightbringer Simeon is invited back to the Celestial Realm despite previously not having even been allowed back as a guest. They want to discuss his future and Lucifer advises Simeon to have a productive talk. Raphael also mentioned in OG season four that Simeon despite being human was much better at his “job” than he used to be.

• I believe Simeon is certainly becoming an angel again. He might be lowest rank like Luke until he discovers who he is as an angel again or he may be sent back to the ranks of Archangel. I hope he stays lowest rank for a while so he can prove his worth beyond such low ranks and will no longer be stressed by busywork. I believe Raphael will also protect him more from higher ups. I think the good example Simeon set for Raphael and Luke will reflect kindly on his future and whether he can become a seraph again considering who they became under his guidance.

What is Luke’s future as an angel?

• In the game, Michael specifically took Luke under his wing because he recognized his power. Even as a child Luke was allowed to work in the Celestial Palace. Luke came into being shortly before Lucifer and his brothers fell and idolized Lucifer once. Michael sent Luke to the Devildom to learn not to be so judgmental and to face the real world. While on exchange Michael notes Luke would be a good principality while Mammon thinks he could be a seraph.

Lucifer also believes Luke has a good future ahead of him as only Luke, Lucifer, MC, Solomon, and Diavolo noticed when Simeon was no longer demonic, not even the other six rulers of hell.

• I firmly believe that Luke will become a seraph. His latent power and guidance from Simeon, Raphael, Michael, Barbatos, and Lucifer leaves him as very open minded but firm in his convictions and morality. The timing of his birth being right before Lucifer fell leads me to believe he was created as a replacement for Lucifer and that he will take Lucifer’s place one day to lead the Celestial Realm alongside Michael.

Will Michael join the exchange program?

• In the game Michael hinted to Raphael that he wanted to and Diavolo also wondered if Michael might join one day. The others seem to believe it would be too much a hassle.

• I think Michael is the kind of person who would but wouldn’t do so normally. Maybe a very short exchange so he doesn’t stay away from the Celestial Realm for long. I also believe his presence would cause unrest in the Devildom which he may view as hostile towards the Celestial Realm. This is a great plot point I would have loved to see, especially with Barbatos and Solomon both worrying about war in the future as well as MC’s alliances.

Will there be another war between the realms?

• In Nightbringer it was hinted that things were getting more tense as more demons were trying to disrupt the exchange program and bring harm to the students. It’s also revealed that to have sent Lucifer to Cocytus the celestial realm also had to agree meaning there are also angels who strongly oppose the three worlds as coming together as both sides hold resentment for past wars and see the others as unable to change for the better.

• I believe that in the future there will almost be a war, but Diavolo will be able to prove how strong their bonds can be with MC as a prime example. MC has a connection to each realm, granting them a power so strong they need the ring to contain it which Simeon gave them and Michael allowed. The brothers and angels and others have consistently saved each other’s lives, seen past former beliefs and even a demon like Mephisto and an angel like Raphael, two people extremely loyal to their realms were able to become good friends. I believe Diavolo would use a memory ring or other power to display the greatest most significant moments between them as proof his dream can become reality or at the very least they can remain at peace.

Who is Nightbringer?

• The game more or less confirms it to be Barbatos with the teaser for the game as well as how Nightbringer and his abilities are described. Nightbringer also speaks to Solomon with the same annoyance as Barbatos.

• I firmly believe that Nightbringer is Barbatos. Barbatos brought MC to the past, disrupting the timelines and I believe this is why Diavolo asks Barbatos to never use these powers without his permission.

What happened to Solomon’s childhood friend?

• The game indirectly tells us what happens over several seasons. Solomon is said to have e summoned Barbatos at the risk of his own life as a child desperately seeking to use Barbatos’s power of time. At the time he was not the kind of person obsessed with knowledge and power but was granted power seen as cursed that led him to be hidden in a basement away from everyone but this one friend.

• I believe his friend died whether it was his powers at fault or not and he summoned Barbatos to revive his friend. It’s possible his friend died of natural causes and this is why Solomon wants to better the human world despite it turning his back on him; it’s all so children and humans in general don’t die of preventable things like his friend did.

What did the Little D.s mean when they said they’d take over the Devildom?

• In season two of Nightbringer the Little D,s laugh about taking over the castle and soon the whole Devildom.

• I think they believe they can overcome their counterparts, or at least they used to, and wanted all the power for themselves. I think after thousands of years they gave up on this idea.

Who in the Devildom betrayed Diavolo and had Lucifer sent to Cocytus? And who in the Celestial Realm agreed?

• In the game Diavolo was never able to find the results but in the modern timeline the House of Lords remains a hinderance to Diavolo’s ideas of peace between realms despite the successes he has had thus far. When Raphael asked around in the Celestial Realm he never got an answer despite being a seraph and it’s hinted that they probably know who it is among the higher ups but won’t share that information.

• I believe someone in the Celestial Realm reached out to demons they knew opposed Lucifer and not the other way around. The Celestial Realm is always in the Devildom’s business so must have known about the unrest and helped arrange Lucifer’s imprisonment in Cocytus, then sent an angel closest to him, Raphael, to read his charges as punishment to Lucifer (seeing how it affected his friends) and punishment to Raphael (for still having such a close bond with a traitor.)

Why is Barbatos forbidden from using his powers?

• In the game Barbatos is mentioned to not be able to use his powers without Diavolo’s permission on several occasions. No specific reason is given.

• I believe that when Barbatos (as Nightbringer) brought MC to the past, Diavolo at some point found out he’d caused a destabilization of their reality (but not exactly what it was he did) and ordered him not to use his powers.

Will the others ever find out about the time travel?

• In the final season Solomon tells MC that eventually they won’t be able to play off the brothers’ memories of MC in the past anymore. Barbatos is already aware of the time travel.

• I believe it will come out at some point for sure. They will remember more or come across concrete proof MC was actually there with them.

Why did Nightbringer take MC to the past?

• In the game the denkn claims it’s because it is where MC will find happiness.

• I believe that Nightbringer (Barbatos) lived in a reality much darker and bleaker than ours. I believe the brothers trapped in Cocytus triggered some kind of war or prevented Diavolo from fulfilling his dream so he used his abilities to find a way to correct it.

He sent you into the past before you became an exchange student with visions of the future he saw would happen if he brought you there to help the brothers.

Eventually you were selected as an exchange in the future, fulfilling the visions Barbatos foresaw. This part is tricky to understand but by Barbatos describes time as a thick heavy mud or soup and I believe he sees time running concurrently so even though your future hadn’t yet happened, somebody from that future was able to come help you in the past, Solomon.

It’s hard to explain but time sort of did a loop, MC of the OG was sent into the past to create the future they live in. This means at some point MC was in a very different future and knew a different and worse version of the brothers but their memories of them altered into the happy ones they would make as they changed the past—changing the future into a good one. I don’t have the IQ to explain beyond that, I tried and got lost.

Let me know if you have more questions