#Miraculous Ladybug theory

[nionom-art]

Sooo I ran across this cool concept art of an unused kwami design. And… well- I had to make some art.

It’s called Null, the kwami of nothingness, with an ambition to “Return the world back to nothingness”. I decided that the power it would have would be called “Void”, allowing its users to make any one thing disappear permanently. I figured Null would be the universe’s counterbalance to the kwami of reality, Gimmi.

I’ve seen some theories floating around that Null might be appearing in season 6, I feel like that could be pretty interesting, depending on how it’s handled.

Side note: making Marinette recognizable when you get rid of her bangs is harder than I thought it would be- hopefully y’all can tell it’s her, haha. The working name I have going for her is Lady Cipher

[lostuntothisworld]

Okay so I think it's time for another spaghetti theory:

Lilamoth isn't collecting moms. She's collecting sisters (or siblings)

Let me explain my thought process here. So a big complaint the fandom has is that we don't have a proper rogue gallery for villains. It's just the butterfly, and nothing else. It worked for early seasons, but things might be getting stale for some folks.

Enter new characters connected to Lilamoth somehow.

So she has 3 moms so far (that we know about.) All but one have something in common: dark hair and blue eyes.

From left to right we have Mrs. Rossi (red), Mrs. Bianca (white), and her third mother who is deaf could possibly be Mrs. Verdi (green).

Then we have this fourth lady that we see Lilamoth watching on her phone in the season 5 finale. I would NOT be surprised if Odille is going to be her 4th mom. Dark hair and blue eyes, and she is also disabled, just like her third mom.

(And I would not be surprised if we find out her surname is Nero (black), or Viola (violet). More on that aspect of this crack theory in a bit...)

Anyway, back to the concept of a rogues gallery. In the finale we see Lila in a disguise that 's VERY reminiscent of one of her moms:

Certainly she can't expect to disguise herself as a woman in her 30's-40's, and especially not with glasses and bangs. But she can pass reasonably as a teenage girl with a dark bob and glasses. You know, a sister.

So we know a certain main character whose name is in the title and wears red with black polkadots has dark hair and blue eyes. We don't know Lilamoth's motivations and and end goal, but we can surmise that she wants to take the place of Marinette.

(And I KNOW I've seen at least one other person theorize this, and I cannot find the post(s) so if you can find it please let me know so I can link it here!)

The pictures we see is one of Marinette with her classmates on the Liberty where Zoe is accepted in the friend group, Marinette with her parents, 3 pictures of Marinette with Kagami, and one picture of Marinette with Luka.

It's interesting to note that there isn't a picture of Marinette and Adrien together shown to the audience. You'd think they'd emphasize that, but no, it's mostly Kagami. I know it's because it's because the episode focuses on Kagami, but still. Other than her, it's just Marinette's parents, Zoe and Luka (Luka! Marinette's ex!) showcased in the closeup screenshot.

I got sidetracked! Anyway, I think other than similar coloring (and color-themed surnames haha) Lilamoth is trying to find other teenagers who are willing to join forces with her. She probably will get her hands on some Miraculous for them, somehow. But I don't think the new jewels will be from the Chinese box.

Here's where things start REALLY going off the rails with this theory:

All of Lilamoth's rogue gallery of villains are her adopted sisters (or siblings) and they are all Luka's exes. He's got a type for Italians with dark hair and blue eyes...

Going back to the surnames, all the surnames have something in common: they share the colors of all of Adrien's various transformations over the course of the series so far:

Rossi: Mister Bug

Bianca: Chat Blanc

Verdi: Aspik

We're just missing Chat Noir (could possibly will be the surname Nero, as it's Italian)

and Ephemeral (it's interesting to note that the surname Lee in Chinese can mean plum, which of course, is purple)

So naturally, my crack theory circles back to Lukadrien is endgame.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

{{{{{{Edit as of April 3, 2024.}}}}}

I will NOT be surprised if this girl with black hair in an extremely recognizable style is a disguise of another sister.

Is Lilamoth collecting blackmail to manipulate them later? She's very obviously walking disguised in areas where there would be lots of cameras (The inside of the Agreste mansion, and the hotel).

(Edit as of April 27, 2024!)

Now we know the synopsis of the London Special, I believe the disguises are to hide Lilamoth's tracks because she knows Maribug's identity. Bonus points if these girls were previous Ladybugs in past time lines that Lilamoth stole the identities of...

[[[Edit: May 4, 2024]]]

I think I found the names of the previous Ladybugs: Marina, Shone, and Mio. (Please enjoy a silly extremely rough draft of where I'd personally go with the show)

As for the rest of the spray paint on the walls, this mural is an actual feature of the Paris Catacombs:

And while I think that most of the other tags on the wall are functionally meaningless and just there for ambiance, I do find the 777-777 tag to be of note. 7 Ladybugs till Lilamoth's goal? What's the deal with the arrows and the floating away 3 7's? Are 3 already "gone"??? Fascinating stuff! My mind is reeling!

[Edit for May 6, 2024]

Possibly figured out the source of the lightning in the season 5 finale. For whatever reason it's not showing up in the tags lmfao tungle is a functional website

[azuriteartist]

Analysing Marinette's (& other's) hairstyles

Marinette's hair changes quite a bit throughout the show. This won't cover every single change, but it covers the main groups, and hopefully gets across the main point: When Marinette's hair changes, it represents a changed mental state.

Classic Marinette - Pigtails

This is Marinette at her most normal. You know her, you love her.

Still stressed but not 'breaking down' stressed. She's productive, generally on top of things, anxious, and prone to mistakes but also solutions. She's mostly in control here, and it semi-works for her.

Any deviation from this hairstyle is essentially a giant flashing sign saying "Marinette's mental state has changed"

Stressed Marinette - Bun/s

Whenever her hair is in buns, she's overworking, over-stressed, and at breaking point. It's signifying that she's operating at a level much higher than she usually is, so her hair is tighter and 'wound up'. Her thinking/environment is usually bad for her and/or others.

Multimouse, in the episode where her identity was almost revealed and she almost killed herself fixing everything = Buns!

Her previous school year (with less friends and more Chloe influence) = Bun!

Shadybug, whose life was terrible with no friends, Chloe, and her powers are literally killing her = Buns!

And when Shadybug turns good and loses some of that toxic thinking, it turns into normal buns. Signifying her change into a better and more healthy mindset.

Actually...based off that, when her buns appear, there's a 2/3rd's chance her plan is killing her...

Secure Marinette - Loose Hair

First appearing in Chat Blanc, this is her letting go of stress and worry. It shows Marinette's need for security and control mellow into calm and enjoyment. She's free of the desire for control. However, she's most likely to get blindsided in this mode. Also, for reasons explained later, this is mimicking Adrien's hair, somewhat.

In Hearthunter, Marinette lets go of the worry surrounding Adrien/Kagami, and enjoys being in the moment with them, losing her hair bands as Adrien leads the both of them into the pool. She enjoys Kagami's friendship, and Adrien's platonic love, and uses the hair ties in a Ladybug style solution. Then, she puts her hair ties back in right as sweetheart's icecream comes up.

They appear in Chat Blanc when Adrien confesses his love, and they stay like that. In the relationship, her guard is down and she's free.

Adrien - Mimicking

Adrien doesn't really do much with his hair, it's almost constantly down. It's messier/different as Chat Noir, but that's not that notable beyond the obvious. Except for a notable example.

Here, Cat Walker is trying his best to be professional, innovative, on task, and EXACTLY LIKE LADYBUG. Ergo, he gets the hairstyle that says "I need to be in control of this situation for the good of everyone, to the detriment of me"

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There's probably other examples I'm missing right now and I'll add them if so (I'm 90% convinced when someone covers their hair, they're lying: Hawkmoth and Aspik).

But here it is: Marinette's hair theory. Whenever her hair changes, I worry, cause it signifies a changed mental state (and with her, it's often for the worse).

[yubellia]

Lila/Cerise/Iris/Daphne(?) Style analysis

Hi! Now we all calmed down after the miraculous London special (that didn’t really took place in London most of the time), I thought about something. Our favorite local liar and chameleon had a lot of outfits so far.

So why not try to analyze them and maybe come to a conclusion for her future in the series? Also, I won‘t talk about the waitress because that was kind of a spying mission and a one time thing. We focus on the civilian ones ok? Also remember that English isn’t my first language ok?

Enjoy!

Lila Rossi

Ok let’s start at the beginning. „Lila Rossi“ is introduced as the new girl in school. And she is not wasting time. She starts to spread lies instantly.

But we are here for her outfit.

- She has long red-brown hair that reaches her hips, tied together at the ends and bangs that cover her forehead (we later learn that it’s a wig)

- she has greenish eyes (contact lenses)

- probably uses fake tan or makeup

- she has a gray- black romper with white polka dots.

- gray tights

- brown ankle boots

- an orange-red leather jacket

- these three wristbands

- (apparently she wears earrings) only relevant in one episode.

To be honest, Lila is one of the characters with style. Her romper could be better and they could have changed her hair a little bit. But overall, she is pretty.

Her outfit isn’t all that spectacular but her red leather jacket is an eye catcher.

Red is a loud color if you get what I mean. It demands attention. Just like Lila herself. So this aspect is reflected in her outfit.

Since we thought that she is just a background villain, there isn’t that much to say just yet.

Cerise Bianca

this is where things get a bit more interesting.

Cerise didn’t change too much, talking about her outfit. It looks like her Lila disguise with different colors.

- her leather jacket is light brown now

- her romper is a solid purple/pink (can we talk about this one? I know purple is a ‚royal and regal‘ color but this looks so tacky and…. No! Just no!)

- she keeps her wristbands

- her tights and boots stay the same.

Now things get interesting.

- without her wig, Cerise has a short pixie cut.

- her tan is fake

- and she has light brown/ hazel eyes.

Her eyes are also special for a different reason.

What about the eyes? Well, look at the characters. Many of them have these round big eyes. Cerises eyes are more fox like, especially when she smirks. It actually takes focus to keep your eyes „normal�� when smiling. Otherwise your eyes turn to slits once your smile or ‚smirk‘ reaches your eyes.

But back to the Cerise!

The purple romper, as ugly as it is, is another attention seeking color. Like the red jacket before in her Lila outfit. Red and purple are also colors that royals wore in the past.

This is pretty fitting considering that she told her other classmates that she is an actress and a star. This outfit is just as attention grabbing as the last. The purple can also be a foreshadowing for when she becomes the new Hawk Moth.

Unfortunately, Cerise becomes a character in the background. She isn’t interacting with many characters. Instead she pulls the strings in the background. There isn’t much to say about it here.

Maybe we see this disguise in season 6 again. Marinette didn’t see her like this yet after all.

Iris Verdi

I think that this is the disguise she used to infiltrate the Agreste Mansion at the end of season 5.

We see something interesting here. This outfit is different than the others. It’s a full-body-disguise, just like ‚Lila‘ was. However. This outfit is much less attention grabbing.

Her black wig has bangs again that cover her forehead. She also wears glasses this time. Combining those two things isn’t easy. Let me tell you as someone who wears glasses. Why? Because it ‚hides‘ your face.

This is very interesting because that’s exactly what she wants with this disguise. Get in, get the miraculous and get out without being seen.

If you look at it, this is also were her outfits get more… ‚basic‘. No power colors or special statement pieces. Maybe her black leather jacket.

However, black is one of the more basic colors for leather jackets. It’s almost like she is trying to dress up as a background character.

She has a light blue jeans and her normal brown boots.

Daphne Azuri (London special)

Now, last but not least, we have her new disguise in the London special. We didn’t see too much but we at least got a full body view.

This disguise was leaked by the way. The name Daphne (Azuri? Azure?) was also flowing around.

I think this new persona is either Iris or Daphne. Not sure yet.

-She wears a blond wig that is tied into a bun. Her forehead is fully visible. There is not a single loose hair. It looks pretty strict.

-she has blue/purple ish contacts. (Sorry the lighting makes ist a bit unclear.)

-it seems like her fake tan is back.

-her 3 wristbands are gone….

Now her outfit:

She wears a black skirt, black tights and her boots are black too. But it looks like she uses the same shoe model. (Probably because she knows she can walk and run in them. A practical decision perhaps.)

She wears a black sweater. The arms end shortly unter her elbows. Under that, she wears a white blouse.

This outfit ist interesting because it seems very strict and business like. Like she comes from a school with a school uniform perhaps….? It’s also very bland. No color at all.

However, as someone who also almost always wears black, let me tell you that you stick out like a sore thumb with that. I mean remember how….. colorful the characters from miraculous are. She will stand out with that.

Also black is a basic villain color. Unless your character is a secret agent and has to blend in at night. So there is that.

The leaks claim that in this outfit, she will have a red blazer and a hat matching it. So perhaps there is color involved after all.

However, this outfit, again, isn’t attention seeking at all really.

Also, if the leaks are true and she is disguised as an exchange student, than she will be able to ‚disappear‘ very easily if things get tough.

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Now, what else can we take away from this little style analysis? If you look at it from a story perspective, than it’s easy.

The more important she became for the story. The less attention grabbing are her outfits. We know that Cerise/Lila whatever, can be sneaky. She has no trouble getting somewhere and getting out without being seen. But now she really has a reason to look harmless and bland.

Now that I think about it, maybe she will stop lying for the same reason. It’s too dangerous to draw attention to yourself. So stuff like ‚I am ladybugs friend‘ are a no-go now.

I think season 6 will be interesting. I hope you liked it. Bye!

[graaythekwami]

Chloe's Amok

So I kind of have a random theory on what Chloe's amok could be if she ends up being a senti like the other rich kids, and I'm thinking it is this bracelet:

Yes, I know Rogercop is way back from season one and that we haven't seen this bracelet since, but here me out.

Now how Chloe and Andre act this episode isn't anything new for their characters, but there are a few things I find slightly interesting. First of all Chloe isn't wearing the bracelet at all, but keeping in a special case. Chloe doesn't strike me as the type to keep something carefully tucked away when she could be wearing it and showing it off to the world. So why is she this time? Not that I think she would have told it was an amok, but I could totally see a conversation about how important this piece of jewelry is and how it is absolutely priceless before it was given to her.

Of course this is speculation, but what isn't is what we see in this episode. When Chloe shows the bracelet to Sabrina she goes to immediately grab it, suggesting that Chloe hasn't been against Sabrina touching her things in the past. Of course Chloe is rude in telling Sabrina not to do so, then we get this line from Andre:

"Put it away, Chloé! It could get in the wrong hands!"

I mean yes it probably is expensive, but so is every other thing Chloe owns? And I don't think it would be out of budget for Andre to buy Chloe another bracelet if something were to happen to it, and it is a bit strange to not let her wear her own jewelry.

Unless this isn't just a bracelet, but rather his daughter's life force that he doesn't want in the wrong hands or anyone to know about it because whoever holds it controls Chloe?

From here the bracelet goes missing thanks to a combination of Marinette tripping and Plagg, the blame immediately being put on Marinette, and being passed around the classroom from there. Again I don't think Chloe's insistence for Marinette being searched is surprising, or the mayor backing her up on this, but I do find it interesting that Andre doesn't try to placate Chloe at all like he usually does when she starts making demands. There's no "Chloe dear" or "My little princess", but immediately Andre is trying to get Roger to do some illegal searches on a teenager.

Of course Roger is then also immediately fired over something that has no relation to his job (there's no actual proof the bracelet was stolen instead of just being missing at this point!). And there's no pressure by Chloe to have Roger fired, Andre does this to someone very loyal to him on his own accord.

Later Andre also tries to have Nino's phone taken so the video can be reviewed by professionals as they try to track down this bracelet thief. He's wasting no resources or power plays here to find the bracelet, and also goes after the principal of the school as well:

"I'm warning you! If you don't find my daughter's bracelet by this evening, I'll cut off all your city funds for the school. Understood?"

I mean him throwing around his power as mayor isn't anything new... but why not buy a new bracelet at this point instead of targeting everyone who isn't involved? And like before there is no influence or demand from Chloe at this point for Andre to keep this all up, but he's not letting up about this missing bracelet.

We also get this interaction between Andre and Roger too when he's fired:

"Mayor, you can't be serious! Over a missing bracelet?" "This is my daughter's bracelet we're talking about!"

Your daughter's bracelet? Or perhaps your daughter's life force?

Again, this attitude and demands is in no way strange for the Bourgeois family, rather I just find all the details in between this interesting, and that it could be implying that this bracelet is something more than just a regular piece of jewelry.

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Now for the other major reason I think this could be Chloe's amok (or at least something more than just an average bracelet): Plagg's interaction with this bracelet.

Now I don't think Plagg can sense amoks or would know that an object is one, but I don't think it would be out of reason for him to notice something about it. He's a magical being, or why shouldn't he have a response for other magical things?

Plagg immediately takes a liking to this bracelet, at first thinking it was cheese. Upon discovering that it isn't cheese though, he isn't too disappointed (Plagg. Not upset about not getting any Camembert when he thought he was??). He also gets pretty reckless by not only staying in Chloe's bag, but throwing the bracelet up into the air where it could have been seen by others. Now Plagg isn't exactly the most responsible, but he's also not stupid, so I thought this was worth noting. (Especially by him not being mad it wasn't cheese. Personally I think Plagg would be really upset to find there was no cheese.)

Then of course this is where the bracelet gets lost, with Plagg stuck inside of it, and Adrien smuggles him away. And Plagg is stuck in the bracelet. The kwami is stuck. The kwami is stuck inside of an object when they can phase through any solid material. It's not like Plagg is under any orders not to phase through bracelets, and yet he is still stuck!

I'm sure we've all wondered why Plagg doesn't just phase out of it before, and we've never given a reason.

So... what if magic has something to do with it? Like there isn't any canon that we have that states kwamis can't phase through certain things, but if it was going to be anything I think a magical object created by another kwami's powers that's hosting someone's life force fits the bill.

Then finally, we get this bit of information:

"What do you mean I can't transform?" "If you transform, the bracelet will get absorbed with me and damage your powers!"

This is a bit of canon lore that we never hear of or see come into play again. We've seen transformations happen with kwamis in pockets, bags, hidden away, in another room, having a piece of food in their paws: but never has any of these physical objects with the kwamis or them standing between them and their Miraculous ever stopped a transformation, get transformed with them, or damage their powers in any form. Either Plagg was lying about this fact, or this bracelet had properties that were different from everyday objects that could impact magical transformations.

And honestly, a Miraculous and an amok aren't too different from each other. They're both an object that gives a magical being a physical form, allows them to be controlled, and can grant powers. While unification between kwamis exist, maybe them merging with other magical entities is in fact dangerous?

And we have seen interesting properties between amoks and transformations in canon. We have seen Gabriel transformed while giving orders to Adrien, and touch right where the amok ring would be even though it clearly isn't there or under the glove. Even if it isn't physically present it still exists in some form when a human transforms while wearing an amok, and the magic that binds the sentis to orders is still there.

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As for why we never see the bracelet again? I imagine Andre thought it was way too dangerous to let Chloe have her own amok after everything that happened during Rogercop, and took it back to keep it safe once more.

[papyrusgayfont]

* something that I’ve only just started thinking about recently is how in-universe, nobody knew what the miraculous were or how they worked, even though people had been looking for them since at least the 1940’s, in WWII I’m thinking: Master Fu, after WWII, made a wish to erase the knowledge of the miraculous from everyone’s minds

* that doesn’t mean they never existed, or that they were never used, it’s just that after the point in time where he made the wish, nobody was able to remember them

* but since he made the wish, there had to be a reaction to his action, so I think in exchange for “everyone will forget about the miraculous”, someone would have to learn about them again at some point, and that someone was Nathalie Sancoeur

* look, I don’t exactly know how or when Nathalie would’ve learned about the miraculous, but before the events of the series she was a hunter of magical artifacts. She could’ve found something relating to the miraculous, and decided to try and find more info about them.

* where and when she would’ve done that, I don’t know, but that doesn’t rule out the idea (at least to me)

* now according to the show bible, Tomoe was the one who introduced Nathalie to Gabriel and Emilie. Since the bible is outdated in certain areas (especially with Nathalie), this could also be outdated, but for the sake of this argument I’ll imagine that it isn’t

* what I think could’ve happened is that Nathalie learned about the peacock miraculous, and she told Tomoe (how they’re connected, idk, but whatever) about this, and so in turn Tomoe told her about the Agrestes and that Nathalie should be the one to help them out

* Gabriel, Emilie, and Nathalie would’ve met afterwards, and then the rest is history

* maybe I’m just reaching in all this, I don’t know lmao, but it was fun to think about, so

[sweetmarichat]

You know what would be a terrific change of pace for season 6?

Not having a villain to defeat every single episode.

Lila is cunning. Lila doesn't need to rely on powers to pull strings.

She can definitely use the miraculous, of course, but in secret and only to boost the effectiveness of her lies. She akumatizes herself in different ways to try to bring down Marinette or to slander Ladybug, only it never works...

Because, in a strange twist, instead of Ladybug saving the day, Marinette does. Marinette works together with her friends to restore the reputations of people that Lila tries to destroy.

Maybe Lila spreads misinformation, maybe she creates fake videos, maybe she gives herself the power to spread rumours that people will believe, etc.

But also, maybe season 6 should be about Adrien and Marinette being heroes without using their masks as much?

Just something I like to think about

[drac0line1nn1t]

It is midnight, the time of the crack theories.

Mayor Bougiour

Surely there would have been some election since the election term in France for mayor is six years

So at some point he should have or would be voted out of office

Considering how much of a shit mayor he is, which is shown by how much he can be simply pushed around by his bratty daughter

So he would be out of office by public vote

Unless France is in a loosely controlled dictatorship that no one really cares about cus there's superheroes and villains

Meaning the true villain would be mayor bougiour as he slowly corrupts the political system and polutes the environment

Also his villain name is literally dictator

And shadow moth takes their darkest thoughts and feelings and brings them to light and when shadow moth suggests that he controls all citizens of france he says excellent political strategy

Meaning he believes a dictatorahip would benifit his rule over France

Based on his own suppressed thoughts brought to light by shadow moths powers

Of course there's also the option of political bribes and blackmail but that would make him just as much as a villain too

[drowsydartfrog]

Gabriel Agreste was the first rebel in the Agreste bloodline. The Agreste bloodline was filled with richness, fame, and power.

Gabriel didn't see anything in money and fame so, he rebelled against his parents, grandparents, and great grandparents wanting to be a famous punk-rock singer. Gabriel then finds Emilie and they fall in love and started dating for a few years but then a tragedy strikes in Gabriel's family, Gabriel's great grandfather started to get sick and started to slowly die.

Gabriel sat near his great grandfather while reading to him about the latest news of the world, his great grandfather then started to tell him about the secrets of the Agreste family and it opened Gabriel’s eyes. He took the rings from his great grandfather and then later married Emilie

//: this is just a theory/headcanon

[nionom-art]

Kinda sorta a continuation of this post

I’ve seen theories of Lila running into Null in season 6, and I just kinda wanted to make my own design before a canon one potentially comes out.

I picked the name Nessuna for her (I actually have a name in mind this time, lol). It means “nobody” in Italian. Since Lila/Cerise has so many identities, I thought it would be funny if in her form while using Null, the kwami of nothingness, she was just essentially named “nonentity”. Also, it alludes to the Odyssey with that one story where Odysseus tricks a cyclops by claiming to be “nobody”. It just makes my nerd brain happy.

I strayed a bit away from miraculous design conventions with this one- hopefully it’s still recognizable as Lila (I always worry about that with my design work it seems).

[lostuntothisworld]

What was the equivalent exchange to heal Nathalie?

I propose this new character lost her legs in exchange for Nathalie's health.

[frie-ice]

Miraculous Ladybug Theory: Is there a Second Lila Rossi?

What if there is another Lila Rossi that Cerise stole the identify of?

Think about it, some of the best lies have a ring of truth to them and there is a chance that Cerise might have stolen identifies of girls that are of a similar bone structure. That way she could trick their families to provide her with room and board.

Since Mr. Rossi wasn't seen or mentioned, there is a chance that the Rossis might be separated. The real Lila might be living with her dad, while Cerise makes Mrs. Rossi believe that "her daughter" has come to live with her for a time.

If the real Lila does come to Paris and meet the Miraculous gang, I wonder how it would turn out. Would they believe her when she says that she had never met them before? Or would it lead to Marinette discovering clues about Cerise, like who she really is and what her game is.

[nothingtherefornow]

Comment la série Miraculous compte-t-elle équilibrer le manque de ressources de Lila par rapport à Gabriel pour la rendre encore plus menaçante et dangereuse que son prédécesseur face aux héros ?

En surfant sur un Reddit de Miraculous Ladybug, j'ai trouvé un fan suggérant que la saison 6 de Miraculous sera peut-être obligée d'introduire de nouveau super villains qui n'ont rien à voir avec Lila, car pour le peu qu'on sait, Lila ne fait juste pas le poids contre la Team Miraculous à elle toute seule.

Certes ses talents de caméléon et de manipulatrice peuvent lui permettre de créer de nombreuses situations à son avantage pour déclencher des akumatizations, et de potentiellement semer la zizanie au sein de héros ("diviser pour mieux régner" comme on dit). Mais l'existence des magical charms pouvant maintenant purifier les akuma dans une Paris presque Utopique et où la corruption du maire est de l'histoire ancienne, le fait que Ladybug et chat Noir soient maintenant capables d'utiliser le cataclysme et le lucky charm à l'infini sans se détransformer mettent Lila dans une position désavantageuse.

Dans le monde de Miraculous où la magie et l'existence de meta-humains/mutants est monnaie courante, introduire de nouveaux super villains originaux qui s'attaqueraient à Paris, et qui s'allieraient à une Chrysalis leur proposant de les rendre plus forts en les akumatisant, serait en effet une solution plausible dans la future saison 6.

Le soucis pour Lila c'est qu'aux dernières nouvelles, elle ne dispose pas de la même richesse ou des mêmes ressources que Gabriel. Ce dernier avait son jardin secret où il cultivait régulièrement de nombreux papillons qui devenaient plus tard ses futurs akuma, afin de ne jamais tomber en rade et de pouvoir continuer d’attaquer les héros tous les jours et leur donner ainsi très peu de repis, mais aussi pour pouvoir lancer des attaques de l'envergure du papillon écarlate. Je suis certaine qu'un akuma purifié par Ladybug devient ensuite inutilisable, et on ne sait pas encore si il suffit à un porteur du miraculous du papillon de se détranformer puis de retransformer pour que sa canne soit toujours automatiquement munie d'un akuma si le dernier venait à avoir été purifié. Or, un porteur du miraculous du papillon agissant pour le bien n'a pas l'air d'avoir à se soucier du même problème, car on a bien vu dans le spécial Paris que Hesperia pourrait utiliser le même kamiko, qu'il garde dans son arme, pour kamikoser plus d'une personne à la fois dans un court laps de temps. D'autant que le kamiko de Hesperia semble être assez rapide pour éviter d'être purifier s'il venait à libérer ses alliés de leur pouvoir juste avant (et de toute façon Hesperia n'a pas à se faire de soucis de ce côté là puisque la Ladybug de son monde est devenue son alliée). Et afin de pouvoir créer un second kamikosé sans le lier au même kamiko que le premeir, il suffit de prêter le miraculous du papillon à un allié pour que ce dernier ait aussi droit à son propre kamiko à utiliser.

Cependant Hesperia nous a aussi montré pourquoi le fait de n'avoir qu'un seul papillon magique fourni avec son arme était un gros désavantage par rapport au jardin d'akumas de Gabriel : le fait que Ladybug a pu retrouver Hesperia en traquant son seul kamiko, qui devait automatiquement revenir vers son créateur.

Gabriel n'avait pas à se soucier qu'on utilise ses akuma pour le traquer, car aucun akuma purifié n'est jamais revenu vers lui, et un akuma non purifié peut se multiplier, ou bien Gabrie lui même peut certainement rompre la connexion (dans l'épisode Ladybug, on a bien vu les akuma écarlate redevenir blanc et donc "purifiés" après que Gabriel se soit transformé).

Nous ne savons pas encore si le miraculous du papillon fournira toujours à Lila un nouvel akuma dans on arme chaque fois que le précedent akuma sera purifié par Ladybug, ou bien si comme Gabriel Lila sera obligée de cultiver régulièrement des papillons pour en faire des akumas. D'autant qu'avec un seul akuma a sa disposition, Lila pourrait éventuellement être traqué.e, à moins de se détransformer juste à temps après chaque combat

Et à moins de s'allier à Tomoe Tsurugi et de lui demander son aider pour créer son propre jardins de papillons, je ne pense pas que Lila n'aura pas le même luxe auquel Papillon/Papillombre/Monarch avait droit.

Un autre fan a confirmé que cette idée serait effectivement la meilleure direction à prendre.

traduction : "Je veux dire ... Ils DOIVENT introduire de nouveaux méchants. Il n'y a aucune chance que Lila/Cerise à elle toute seule puisse avoir une chance contre les héros, surtout maintenant que Les pouvoirs de Ladybug et Chat noir ont évolué, et que Ladybug possède les magical charms (et j'assume que Lila n'est pas encore capable de créer des megakuma, du moins pas initialement)"

Bien que je pense que Lila apprendra très vite à créer des megakuma, les magical charms peuvent quand même fonctionner contre ceux-là en étant alimentés par des émotions positives. Et comme je l'ai dit plus haut, dans la nouvelle Paris les émotions positives risquent d’être bien plus répandues que les émotions négatives dans une Paris qu n’est plus sous le règne d'un maire corrompu et de se partenaires riches également corrompus.

Je ne vois ainsi que 4 façons pour que Lila/Chrysalis prenne éventuellement l'ascendant sur Ladybug et Chat Noir, et devienne une menace plus dangereuse que Gabriel ne l'était

Créer une alliance avec Tomoe Tsurugi ou un autre supervillain que nous ne connaitrions pas encore, et lui donner accès à d'autres alliés supervillains que Lila pourrait facilement manipuler pour en faire ses pions

Débloquer de nouveau pouvoirs puissants et encore jamais vus avec le miraculous du papillon, jusqu'à atteindre un pouvoir capable de contrer celui des magicals charms de Ladybug

Réussir à voler des miraculous à ses futurs camarades scolaires, et même là a tâche sera ardue car mis à part la coccinelle, le chat noir, le lapin et le paon, les autres miraculous ont changé de forme, ce qui pourra empêcher Lila de reconnaître les bijoux magiques et de les voler (à moins qu'elle parvienne à découvrir avec ses ruses qui et qui au sein de la Team miraculous)

Révéler à tout Paris la vérité sur Gabriel Agreste = Papillon/Papillombre/Monarch, et le fait que Ladybug ait volontairement dissimulé cette vérité, dans le but de semer le doute et la discorde dans tout Paris et au sein de la team Miraculous, donnant ainsi à Lila plus de moyens d'agir et de retourner certains héros et citoyens contre Ladybug

Sans ça je ne vois pas comment Lila pourra devenir une menace crédible pour Ladybug et Chat Noir.

Cela pourrait d'ailleurs expliqué pourquoi Lila a mentionné avoir hâte de retrouver Marinette tout en mettant la broche du papillon sur elle, mais sans mentionner Ladybug (si on part du principe que Lila ne sait pas que Ladybug = Marinette), car Lila devrait être suffisamment intelligente pour comprendre que le pouvoir seul du miraculous du papillon n’est plus suffisant contre Ladybug, et Lila devait donc au début avoir uniquement eut l'intention de se servir des pouvoirs du miraculous contre Marinette pour lui pourrir la vie (quoi de plus facile que de s'akumatiser elle-même en Caméléon ou bien Volpina)

Cependant, aller savoir qu'est ce qui a fait peur à Lila à la fin de Re-création, et si cela va jouer un rôle important dans son futur rôle de super villaine papillon

[yubellia]

Marinette and Adrien HAVE to break up sooner or later.

Season 6 and beyond theory.

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To be honest, I don‘t know if this even is a theory or a fact. I think many people agree on this or see it coming.

To make this clear. I don‘t WANT them to break up. I think Marinette and her behavior is questionable at best and from the teaser for season 6 we can assume that she didn’t change. However, the writers made it pretty clear that those two are the endgame. It is ‚fate‘. So there is no reason to fight it. They want this. Are they perfect for each other? Nope. Absolutely not. I just hope the writers do the best they can with these characters.

So why do I think that they HAVE to break up? Even if it’s just for a while? I think you know why.

Because at the end of season 5, their relationship is based on a lie! Marinette knows the truth. And yet, she decided to not tell Adrien about his father! Or the fact, that he is a sentimonster. She knows that too but keeps her mouth shut. Maybe to protect him, maybe because she wants to honor a dead man’s last wish. Who knows! Either way, it’s wrong! In the teaser for season 6 Adrien is still wearing the fashion brand of his father. He does see him as this man who tried to make things right in the end.

But he didn’t. Gabriel lost! Easy as that. Maybe Marinette got through to him but he lost. He abused his own son and considering what he did as hawkmoth or monarch, he is a terrorist. There is no getting around it.

Can you imagine what will happen when Adrien learns about all of this? His entire life will feel like a lie. Not only did he loose his family but his father is a criminal.

The writers HAVE TO clear this up somehow. This plothole is so big, they can‘t ignore this. And I am pretty sure they will clear this up. Why?

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Lila. She is the new big bad starting season 6. and she knows everything. When Gabriel turned her into Hoaxer, she used this opportunity to get everything from Nathalie. And if Marinette remembers, she surely remembers. And since she hates Marinette, Ladybug and Adrien too, she will use this sooner or later. We can be sure of that. Otherwise, they would have had no reason to show us how Lila got all this stuff.

So… what will happen once he knows? His trust in Marinette and Ladybug will be shattered. Maybe… just maybe, Marinette can pretend that everything is fine for a while. He will loose his trust in Ladybug but if they didn’t reveal their identities to each other by than, she should be fine. For a while. Because Adrien’s fragile state will make him vulnerable to whatever Lila is planning. If they did reveal their secret to each other by than, Marinette will be done for.

Actually, not just Marinette but Ladybug too. Because she told everyone that Gabriel helped her to stop Monarch. No one will trust her. She will be isolated and for once, Lila doesn’t have to make her look like the bad guy, she WILL BE the bad guy. And remember, Gabriel made a wish to Marinette and another one, the one that brought Nathalie back, to Gimmi. I don‘t think that it was the same wish. Balance and stuff. So by pitying Gabriel, Marinette messed everything up.

I think season 6 will be interesting. At least I hope so. We have to wait a little longer.

[theslotherin18]

Bro ok crazy idea but… what if Adrien saying he wants to be just like his father at the end of the finale is foreshadowing that he will go through a villain arc?

Like, doesn’t adrien care about who hawkmoth is after all this time fighting him? Chat would want answers or at least an explanation or details from Ladybug. When something sounds fishy he does some digging and finds out the truth and then all hell breaks loose

[cindiquilsnivy]

Thoughts about Lila

So both my sister and I are rewatchng miraculous we are at different places but she inspired me to rewatch again. ANYWAYS I JUST GOT TO VOLPINA i dont think that any of the writers nessacarily had this planned out but connecting the dots with what i think is gonna happen with the next season or how they could use what we have learned from this season to branch back to the first HEAVY SEASON 5 SPOILERS FROM HERE ON SO READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

so in Volpina Lila is desperate to try to get close to everyone in the Akuma class so what if she is doing that because she is trying to either gain power through Ladybug and Chat Noir or hawkmoth. Based on her pinboard I can only assume she adopted the Lila personality to gain entrance into the place in which several of the akumatizations have occurred she may not have figured it out until later in the season which is why Volpina is the finale. She wants to get into Francois Dupoint so she can see all these akumatizations take place and find the connection with Hawkmoth because she does want power and knowledge is power through hiding in the background she is able to play up her ruse of being a humanitarian and traveling all around the world but as a result shes able to watch more to see if she was right or wrong in her assumptions that the school connects back to hawkmoth also she may have gotten more concerned when the new heroes started arriving on the scene and in turn needed to find out who they were in order for her plan to work. She wants power and if that's over Paris or the world she wants to be seen this is why she lies so much because she is ignored or has been in the past. With power over people she is able to control how they react as we see in season 3 and even beyond before she is exposed by Sabrina and Marinette. In order to gain the trust over the whole class she needs to become someone new again and so that's why she has become who she is at the end of season 5. She knows who ladybug and chat noir are based on her pin board shes not dumb and she knows how to use this to her advantage, She's gonna attempt to use what she knows to turn Adrienette on each other and in turn try to damage the relationship of ladynoir because when they are both sad they are likely to make more mistakes and with that sadness she can capture one or both of them. I think the reveal in turn will happen because one will need to protect the other. We have seen this almost play out in optygami and heck even the NY special. Adrien was so close to telling Marinette in episode 24 of season 5. She wants to tear Adrien away from Marinette to hurt Marinette so bad that she gives up completely because she knows that Marinette is strong in her determination and it is going to take a ton to do that. I will reblog with more thoughts if I have them which I'm bound to I'm only on season 2 now.